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**Official 2015 Off-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter Dr. Octopus
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VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
again people and their 'not close" comments for effect.FUBAR said:
I will take an upcoming star qb and a rb with a bright future and a 2nd over an old RB and a pick that i would flip in a heartbeat for bridgewater.
JackReacher
Footballguy
Cooks is one of those guys that has great perceived value on these boards, but not sure it translates to most leagues
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
jeaton6
Footballguy
Doesn't Matter. We are 5 months away from the season. Value can be flipped pre-season for better assets than those given. Especially knowing the 1.1 is an appreciable asset. Jordy certainly isn't.
FUBAR
Footballguy
yeah, I thought the italics made it obvious that I was joking
but looking at it objectively, the 1.11 probably equals Bridgewater. Making it Mason and 2.12 for Charles and a 4th. I don't like Mason all that much, so I don't think this is close.
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
my apologies if you were joking i didnt notice the italics.
you not liking mason does not mean other do not so to me it is in favor of mason but it is close.
in dynasty 21 yo second year guy with a starting job and upside is very appealing to me.
Charles has a starting job and isn't coming off the field on 3rd down
I mean maybe Mason is going to be great....but Charles is great.
For the guy not 5 minutes ago said value doesn't score points this is an odd stance to take for one of the best point producing RB available.
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Translate or not, 1.01 > Nelson. Any value Cooks brings (and it is pretty high) is free and can be converted to another player or pick.
I don't get the Bridgewater = 1.11 that seems to be going around. I'd much prefer the 1.11.
I'd take Charles over Mason as well. The 2.12 for the 4.11 doesn't make up the difference for me.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Really? I can't be the only one that wouldn't trade Bridgewater for the 1.09+.
I think hes the real deal.
Yeah in most of my leagues I think there would be some question whether Cooks is very much less than the 1.01 judging from the responses I have gotten in trade negotiations.
In a PPR startup 16 teams he went 2 picks (2.05) before the 1.01(2.07) and 1 pick after Nelson(2.04)
Sugar Huddle
Footballguy
12-team PPR dynasty
Traded:
1.2, 4.2, TEifert, RHelu
Received:
CJ Anderson, JGraham, RHillman, 2.7
Traded:
1.2, 4.2, TEifert, RHelu
Received:
CJ Anderson, JGraham, RHillman, 2.7
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I would take pick 1 over Jordy in a 1 PPR. In a 0.5 PPR I would take that #1 pick even MORE.amicsta said:
Adding Cooks?
Jesus, overpay is a rather huge understatement
ghostguy123
Footballguy
About 4 years and quite a bit of talent.FUBAR said:
Are you serious?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
No, but value allows you to get more of the players that you want, and pick 1/Cooks will get you better players than Jordy in most leagues, and if not, I still prefer the pick and cooks.
Jordy MIGHT be better for your team right now than the pick and Cooks, but it wont take long for that to change
ghostguy123
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
One More Rep
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Agreed. Looking at startup value this is the #17 player for the #22 and #25. Should have been able to get a better receiver, say DT, for those two.
JackReacher
Footballguy
I totally get where you guys are going on value. And I'm not going to waste too much time defending a losing position, but if you are going to overpay there are much worse options than Jordy, especially for a contender. He delivers stellar production.
Sugar Huddle
Footballguy
The draft is a risk. U never know how these deals will work out but I decided to go for it. I hated giving up Gurley/Gordon though.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I've no problem with overpaying as long as your conscious of doing it and you have your reasons, if you can gain a bunch of value in other deals you can give some back to get someone you really want but people saying Jordy over Cooks and 1.01 as if Jordy is better value gets my goat!
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
because jordy is only 29 and is aaron rodgers #1 wr and coming off a 300+ point season in standard ppr. wrs have a much longer shelf life in dynasty. brandon cooks is coming off an injury that ended his season is under sized and who knows how it shakes out in new orleans. if they draft a wr that guy in time could surpass cooks as the top option. with no graham to hog targets brees is gonna distribute the ball all around. 1.1? I remember many top end picks who busted.
so how can i take a proven stud wr with the best qb and coming off an elite seasonw ith no sign of slowing down over an unproven wr who is undersized much like tavon austin and a top end lottery ticket who is not proven? actually pretty easy.
blardorg
Footballguy
Are you ignoring people when they respond or just missing it? Even if you prefer Jordy, in many or even most leagues, Cooks + 1.01 is probably enough to tempt the Dez or Julio or Antonio Brown owner. I'm pretty low on Cooks too, but many think he'll be a strong WR2, overvalue his youth, and similarly are already anointing Gurley as an RB1. I'd trade Jordy for any of those three stud WRs easily. Would you?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think Jordy is vastly under-rated for some reason but the value is clearly on the other side of the deal. I'm not necessarily saying that someone in contention would be unwise to overpay, but saying he's worth whatever the guy who owns him wants is shortsighted.VarsityBlues123 said:
- first Nelson for all intents and purposes is 30. He turns 30 on May31, so unless you play in a league that has a game between now and then, he's 30. I'm one that thinks 30 isn't old for a WR and some in this hobby really discriminate more than they should on age, but just trying to be accurate here;
- Cooks was an NFL first round pick and right now he's the #1 WR for Drew Brees (much like Jordy is #1 for Rodgers). Stating that he is "coming off an injury that ended his season is under sized" is a disingenuous argument being used to further your point. There's plenty of "undersized" WRs having success in the league, and he was having a very good season prior to injury (so not sure what Tavon Austin has to do with Cooks). His injury was a broken hand - not related to his size and not expected to carry over. Nelson has been injured before as well.
- Could the 1.01 bust? Sure, it could but it could also become a player that is the centerpiece of your team or an asset that can be traded to add other great player(s).
FUBAR
Footballguy
I'll take Jimmy but I can certainly see that as a tempting return
Thats how you sell yourself some OBJ. Nice job
FUBAR
Footballguy
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I view AJ and Odell as pretty much a dead heat, so any extra value you get is great, and you did get more value coming back.
I am not real high on Carr even in Superflex. It's nice to get a QB, but I don't view him having great longevity or any QB1 upside. He is still a QB though, so it gets you closer to swapping for a midrange QB you do like, if you're like me and you don't care for Carr.
High, very high. More and more are viewing him as the #1 Overall player in PPR dynasty.
blardorg
Footballguy
Yeah, this is about how I felt. Already had Ben and Tannehill, but Carr was a great QB3 still on the board. I ended up sending Carr to a QB needy team for the rookie 1.07 and a later start up pick. I can use it on a slightly lower end QB3 (at least 2-3 of Dalton, Foles, Bortles, Alex Smith, etc, will still be on the board when it comes up) or a decent RB2 or WR3.
pghrob
Footballguy
No enhanced te scoring, but I did forget to note that lineup has a flex position.
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10 team 2QB league, $155 cap w contracts, ppr
Team A Gets:
Bortles 3 years/$1
Golden Tate 1/$1.50
Keenan Allen 2/$18
Team B Gets:
Sammie Coates 4/$.25
Justin Hunter 2/$1.25
Basically a salary dump for team B, Bortles is very cheap by league standards. Allen's contract is horrible. Probably comes down to what you think of Coates.
Team A Gets:
Bortles 3 years/$1
Golden Tate 1/$1.50
Keenan Allen 2/$18
Team B Gets:
Sammie Coates 4/$.25
Justin Hunter 2/$1.25
Basically a salary dump for team B, Bortles is very cheap by league standards. Allen's contract is horrible. Probably comes down to what you think of Coates.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Looks like Jordy Nelson might be the most overvalued player in dynasty right now. And he isn't 29, he is 30. 30 when the season starts, so he is 30. No idea how it can be looked at any other way. What, does his value go down on his 30th birthday, meaning you value him more right now?? i sure hope not. That's just silly.
Cooks, based on his ADP, can probably be traded for a top 3 pick.
Pick 1 can pretty easily be traded for a couple fairly early 1sts in most leagues, say picks 4 and 5.
Either can be traded straight up for a really good and valuable player.
I can't fathom even considering trading both for Nelson. Not when I know I can get a better/younger/more valuable player than Nelson for the same package.
Looks some some are commanding 2012 Calvin type stud package for him.
I can understand someone deciding to send pick 1 for Nelson. I wouldnt fault someone too much. Adding Cooks just makes it a very bad trade.
Cooks, based on his ADP, can probably be traded for a top 3 pick.
Pick 1 can pretty easily be traded for a couple fairly early 1sts in most leagues, say picks 4 and 5.
Either can be traded straight up for a really good and valuable player.
I can't fathom even considering trading both for Nelson. Not when I know I can get a better/younger/more valuable player than Nelson for the same package.
Looks some some are commanding 2012 Calvin type stud package for him.
I can understand someone deciding to send pick 1 for Nelson. I wouldnt fault someone too much. Adding Cooks just makes it a very bad trade.
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tarheel1unc
Footballguy
12 Team PPR
- Carolina Big TD's gave up Rivera, Mychal OAK TE; Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from PIRATE NATION
- PIRATE NATION gave up Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE; Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick from PIRATE NATION
JackReacher
Footballguy
Let me re-focus this a touch on Cooks. Would you pay a top 3 pick for him? I would not. Secondly and different but sort of relevant, I am also not the type of trader who acquires guys like Cooks for the sole purpose of working the phones enough to flip him for other value. I pick my spots and go for certain players I want. I maybe losing out some value in the long run but that is how I operate.
blardorg
Footballguy
I mean, I see where you're coming from, but look at some of the trades that have been posted here. 1.04 straight up for DT, 1.01 + James Jones for Demarco Murray + Allen Hurns, 1.10 + 2.10 for Lynch, 1.04 + Knile Davis for Jeremy Hill + Gio Bernard, and on and on. I just firmly believe there's a ton of value left on the table if you give up 1.01 + Cooks for Jordy. Keep in mind there are lots of people who would give you 1.03 or 1.04 for Cooks, if not more (I've seen people say he's worth the 1.01, which is crazy, haha).
So here are some of the other kinds of deals you could conceivably get by trading away Jordy for that: DT + Hill + Gio, DT + Murray, DT + Lynch + something, Lynch + Hill + Gio + something, etc etc. I totally understand someone preferring Jordy to Cooks + 1.01 when it comes to who they want to start week in and week out. But at some point, you have to take value when it comes your way. The 1.01 is only going to get more valuable as the draft approaches and people get rookie fever. I personally think they'll be overvaluing it, but I will take advantage of that overvaluation when I can!
