*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (2 Viewers)

[JuniorNB]

Deamon, do you want my take on Chip now?

No, but I'd love to hear your take on your mancrush, Foles. He may have been the only QB in the league who sucked as much as Bradford.

Small sample size and all, I know, but through 2 games:

Foles - 59.3% CP, 2 TD, 0 INT, 7.45 ANY/A.

Bradford - 66.3% CP, 2 TD, 4 INT, 4.61 ANY/A.

The former, of course, is recording these stats under noted offensive genius Jeff Fisher.

And Foles' career average ANY/A is 6.91 to Bradford's 5.14.

We have plenty of evidence that Foles is a serviceable NFL QB with the potential to be an above-average one. Bradford may well be better - either in Chip's system or even overall - but what little evidence he's provided thus far isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the hypothesis.

Foles showed last year that he is very average. He's showing it again this year. Chip rolled the dice and was/is betting that a healthy Bradford, with all of his tools, was a franchise-type quarterback that could get Philly to a Super Bowl or two. After two games, his vision doesn't seem to be working out. Maybe Bradford will never be the quarterback that he was supposed to be coming out of college. But I'm not blaming Chip for not wanting to go with an average Nick Foles. Just like I won't fault him if he sees that Bradford is nothing special and elects to let him sign elsewhere after the season. I don't want a coach who's satisfied with average.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

There is just too many new faces starting or getting ample playing time on offense for me to get a clear idea of how good we can be. We're talking about both guard spots, Ryan Matthews, Murray, Aghalor, Huff and Bradford--That's a LOT and will take some time to come together.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

The reason I said Chip would be back in college is because I know Eagles fans. Chip, who I believe is a genius(I just don't get what he sees in QBs), will now be mocked by the media. We're going to echo everything they say and run the guy out of town

He doesn't care what we think. He especially doesn't care what the media thinks.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I said my take on Chip Kelly, not Nick Foles. I'll get to Foles and teams flopping after they play Sea later.

 

[ShaHBucks]

The reason I said Chip would be back in college is because I know Eagles fans. Chip, who I believe is a genius(I just don't get what he sees in QBs), will now be mocked by the media. We're going to echo everything they say and run the guy out of town

He doesn't care what we think. He especially doesn't care what the media thinks.

He will when he's evaluating a new job. He doesn't need philly, we need him.

 

[JuniorNB]

The reason I said Chip would be back in college is because I know Eagles fans. Chip, who I believe is a genius(I just don't get what he sees in QBs), will now be mocked by the media. We're going to echo everything they say and run the guy out of town

He doesn't care what we think. He especially doesn't care what the media thinks.

If you don't think an angry fanbase and local media can cost a coach his job, you are dead wrong. Team owners hate knowing he is losing the fan base.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Said I would come back win or lose. Not here to gloat, in fact, I am anything but happy with the Romo injury.

My outsider thoughts on you guys:

-Predicting 14 point victories against divisional rivals is tough.

-Called it before the game that Maxwell is not looking good and hurting you guys. He looked very poor.

-Murray is not being utilized the right way. He needs ZBS with stretch plays and from deeper drops. This off set business is not his strength. Bad coaching.

-Talent is there, but you guys need time and patience. Offense will come to together, but some changes are needed.

-Love your front 7. Lot's of heart. Back end remains the problem.

-9 Wins could win the East now with the Romo injury, your season is not done.

Sorry you guys lost Kiko.

Good post.

Disagree with last take. Cowboys can still win 10 or 11 games. Strong O-line, good and getting better defense, two good coordinators. Eagles won 5 straight games in 2002 with Detmer/Feeley after McNabb was hurt due to a similar set of factors. As long as Weeden keeps mistakes down, I think Dallas will play .500 until Dez and Romo get back.

The rest of the NFC East was utterly craptastic in 2002. Is that the case for PHI/NYG/WAS this year? We'll see.

 

[Deamon]

Deamon, do you want my take on Chip now?

Well a few posts ago you said you thought Chip was a genius and just can't pick QB's. So if you're coming in here to brag about how you were right about Bradford, save your breath.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Deamon, do you want my take on Chip now?

Well a few posts ago you said you thought Chip was a genius and just can't pick QB's. So if you're coming in here to brag about how you were right about Bradford, save your breath.

Ok

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Deamon, do you want my take on Chip now?

No, but I'd love to hear your take on your mancrush, Foles. He may have been the only QB in the league who sucked as much as Bradford.

Small sample size and all, I know, but through 2 games:

Foles - 59.3% CP, 2 TD, 0 INT, 7.45 ANY/A.

Bradford - 66.3% CP, 2 TD, 4 INT, 4.61 ANY/A.

The former, of course, is recording these stats under noted offensive genius Jeff Fisher.

And Foles' career average ANY/A is 6.91 to Bradford's 5.14.

We have plenty of evidence that Foles is a serviceable NFL QB with the potential to be an above-average one. Bradford may well be better - either in Chip's system or even overall - but what little evidence he's provided thus far isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the hypothesis.

Foles showed last year that he is very average. He's showing it again this year. Chip rolled the dice and was/is betting that a healthy Bradford, with all of his tools, was a franchise-type quarterback that could get Philly to a Super Bowl or two. After two games, his vision doesn't seem to be working out. Maybe Bradford will never be the quarterback that he was supposed to be coming out of college. But I'm not blaming Chip for not wanting to go with an average Nick Foles. Just like I won't fault him if he sees that Bradford is nothing special and elects to let him sign elsewhere after the season. I don't want a coach who's satisfied with average.

I don't disagree with anything in that paragraph. In fact I don't disagree with anything you've written, other than your contention that Foles sucks.

Broadly speaking, there are 3 classifications of NFL QBs: (1) those who can put an average team on their shoulders and carry them to a Super Bowl; (2) those who can win a Super Bowl when given an excellent supporting cast; and (3) those who can't do either.

I feel pretty safe in tabbing Foles as a bucket #2 guy who's never going to grow into a bucket #1 guy. 99% of NFL head coaches would stick with that guy, work like hell to try to surround him with All-Pros, and cross their fingers that that's enough to do the trick. This natural risk-aversion is why guys like Cutler, Stafford, and Dalton earn monster contracts for being extremely average QBs.

Chip's one of the very few who would toss a bucket 2 guy overboard in favor of a guy whose performance and injury history to date gives him, let's say, a 20% chance of being a bucket 1 guy but a 40% chance of being a bucket 3 guy. I respect both his opinion and his willingness to take that risk. But just because he tossed Foles aside for Bradford in his specific situation doesn't mean that Foles sucks, or even that Bradford will ever be better than he will.

 

[Deamon]

The reason I said Chip would be back in college is because I know Eagles fans. Chip, who I believe is a genius(I just don't get what he sees in QBs), will now be mocked by the media. We're going to echo everything they say and run the guy out of town

He doesn't care what we think. He especially doesn't care what the media thinks.

He will when he's evaluating a new job. He doesn't need philly, we need him.

We need him now?

 

[Deamon]

Deamon, do you want my take on Chip now?

No, but I'd love to hear your take on your mancrush, Foles. He may have been the only QB in the league who sucked as much as Bradford.

Small sample size and all, I know, but through 2 games:

Foles - 59.3% CP, 2 TD, 0 INT, 7.45 ANY/A.

Bradford - 66.3% CP, 2 TD, 4 INT, 4.61 ANY/A.

The former, of course, is recording these stats under noted offensive genius Jeff Fisher.

And Foles' career average ANY/A is 6.91 to Bradford's 5.14.

We have plenty of evidence that Foles is a serviceable NFL QB with the potential to be an above-average one. Bradford may well be better - either in Chip's system or even overall - but what little evidence he's provided thus far isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the hypothesis.

Foles showed last year that he is very average. He's showing it again this year. Chip rolled the dice and was/is betting that a healthy Bradford, with all of his tools, was a franchise-type quarterback that could get Philly to a Super Bowl or two. After two games, his vision doesn't seem to be working out. Maybe Bradford will never be the quarterback that he was supposed to be coming out of college. But I'm not blaming Chip for not wanting to go with an average Nick Foles. Just like I won't fault him if he sees that Bradford is nothing special and elects to let him sign elsewhere after the season. I don't want a coach who's satisfied with average.

I don't disagree with anything in that paragraph. In fact I don't disagree with anything you've written, other than your contention that Foles sucks.

Broadly speaking, there are 3 classifications of NFL QBs: (1) those who can put an average team on their shoulders and carry them to a Super Bowl; (2) those who can win a Super Bowl when given an excellent supporting cast; and (3) those who can't do either.

I feel pretty safe in tabbing Foles as a bucket #2 guy who's never going to grow into a bucket #1 guy. 99% of NFL head coaches would stick with that guy, work like hell to try to surround him with All-Pros, and cross their fingers that that's enough to do the trick. This natural risk-aversion is why guys like Cutler, Stafford, and Dalton earn monster contracts for being extremely average QBs.

Chip's one of the very few who would toss a bucket 2 guy overboard in favor of a guy whose performance and injury history to date gives him, let's say, a 20% chance of being a bucket 1 guy but a 40% chance of being a bucket 3 guy. I respect both his opinion and his willingness to take that risk. But just because he tossed Foles aside for Bradford in his specific situation doesn't mean that Foles sucks, or even that Bradford will ever be better than he will.

Good logic on your last paragraph. I have been a fan of the move, and still am, but I think you're right on that breakdown. The whole foles vs bradford argument is going to come down to if you're in the camp that we can have a decent qb and squeek into playoffs and hope for a few things to go our way, or if you truly need an elite one. Bradford is looking far from elite, I know. But Chip is our coach and decided that a first round playoff exit isn't enough, and I'm glad he's swinging for the fences here. We've had far too many "pretty good seasons" over the last decade. I think our failures are more so on the o line and the running game then on Bradford's inaccuracy. He is still connecting on 66% of his passes and half of his int's were great throws that our guy couldn't catch. Our WR's need to step up and make some big catches cause they are also making him look bad.

 

[ShaHBucks]

The reason I said Chip would be back in college is because I know Eagles fans. Chip, who I believe is a genius(I just don't get what he sees in QBs), will now be mocked by the media. We're going to echo everything they say and run the guy out of town

He doesn't care what we think. He especially doesn't care what the media thinks.

He will when he's evaluating a new job. He doesn't need philly, we need him.

We need him now?

So that's a yes?

 

[Deamon]

The reason I said Chip would be back in college is because I know Eagles fans. Chip, who I believe is a genius(I just don't get what he sees in QBs), will now be mocked by the media. We're going to echo everything they say and run the guy out of town

He doesn't care what we think. He especially doesn't care what the media thinks.

He will when he's evaluating a new job. He doesn't need philly, we need him.

We need him now?

So that's a yes?

Oh I see... just throwing out statements like that so we question it so you can rant. I take the last message back. I figured you were mostly only caring about being right rather then your team winning. Guess you were dead wrong on your "i see a thanksgiving day beatdown on dallas" prediction in the other thread. You actually seemed upset by the loss and not acting like a pissed off chicken little for once which was a nice change so let's just leave it like that.

 

[Deamon]

This is what happens when you add 10 new starters. Its going to take some time.

The guards are going to get a lot of crap and they should, however, we don't have a TE on this team that can block. Celek looks done and Ertz is giving me an LJ Smith vibe with how he doesn't seem to take the next step in any part of his game. He gets absolutely destroyed in the run game.

Our WR's and TE's cant catch a cold--Please just cut MIles Austin already too.

Over the past 3 years our offense has gotten more and more vanilla. We used to show a lot of different looks, plays etc and we just don't any more. Ever since the Suggs hit the zone-read look is nowhere to be found. When the QB looks to hand the ball to the RB its a run every time.

Two very big issues with Chip IMO:

1. We CAN'T get tough yards and seem to be very finesse on offense. When you watch GB, NE even Denver in years past they run out of the shotgun exclusively but when its time to get a yard they have the personnel to get it done. Chip will never get a FB, our OL will always be light and our TE's cant block. We simply aren't built at all to get tough yards. Until we can we wont make a deep playoff run. Teams like that just don't. "Big people beat up little people"-- We need more size up front

2. Even I noticed how gassed both defensive units were so Im sure it was mentioned on TV countless times. Chip is all about plays ran instead of TOP and that is completely fine. The major issue here is that when that number starts to get as bad as it did yesterday you HAVE to make an adjustment. We were still very much in the game at various points in the second half, he needed to slow things down. Much like NE, they will go temp and huddle which keeps defenses off balance and also gives the D some rest. I understand this isn't how he does things but he should have it as an option.

Nice breakdown. How was the atmosphere down there during the game? Would love to hear more about what you saw on the sidelines.

Not sure if your position gave you any more insight into this, but did you get any info or see anything on the play that took Kiko out? No one seems to be talking about it but the possibility of losing him for the year worries me more then almost anything right now.

 

[need2know]

This is what happens when you add 10 new starters. Its going to take some time.

The guards are going to get a lot of crap and they should, however, we don't have a TE on this team that can block. Celek looks done and Ertz is giving me an LJ Smith vibe with how he doesn't seem to take the next step in any part of his game. He gets absolutely destroyed in the run game.

Our WR's and TE's cant catch a cold--Please just cut MIles Austin already too.

Over the past 3 years our offense has gotten more and more vanilla. We used to show a lot of different looks, plays etc and we just don't any more. Ever since the Suggs hit the zone-read look is nowhere to be found. When the QB looks to hand the ball to the RB its a run every time.

Two very big issues with Chip IMO:

1. We CAN'T get tough yards and seem to be very finesse on offense. When you watch GB, NE even Denver in years past they run out of the shotgun exclusively but when its time to get a yard they have the personnel to get it done. Chip will never get a FB, our OL will always be light and our TE's cant block. We simply aren't built at all to get tough yards. Until we can we wont make a deep playoff run. Teams like that just don't. "Big people beat up little people"-- We need more size up front

2. Even I noticed how gassed both defensive units were so Im sure it was mentioned on TV countless times. Chip is all about plays ran instead of TOP and that is completely fine. The major issue here is that when that number starts to get as bad as it did yesterday you HAVE to make an adjustment. We were still very much in the game at various points in the second half, he needed to slow things down. Much like NE, they will go temp and huddle which keeps defenses off balance and also gives the D some rest. I understand this isn't how he does things but he should have it as an option.

Nice breakdown. How was the atmosphere down there during the game? Would love to hear more about what you saw on the sidelines.Not sure if your position gave you any more insight into this, but did you get any info or see anything on the play that took Kiko out? No one seems to be talking about it but the possibility of losing him for the year worries me more then almost anything right now.

I heard alot of boos

 

[ShaHBucks]

A pissed off chicken little

so that's a no?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Dont bury sam yet. The iggles offense may be a dumpster fire right now but their rookie wr isnt even running the right routes yet. Feel free to bury him at 0-5 or 1-4 however.

 

[Insein]

The reason I said Chip would be back in college is because I know Eagles fans. Chip, who I believe is a genius(I just don't get what he sees in QBs), will now be mocked by the media. We're going to echo everything they say and run the guy out of town

He doesn't care what we think. He especially doesn't care what the media thinks.

If you don't think an angry fanbase and local media can cost a coach his job, you are dead wrong. Team owners hate knowing he is losing the fan base.

That's why it took him 4 years of our anger to finally get rid of Andy?

 

[need2know]

Yeah people forget how bad those final reid years were

 

[Bigboy10182000]

This is what happens when you add 10 new starters. Its going to take some time.

The guards are going to get a lot of crap and they should, however, we don't have a TE on this team that can block. Celek looks done and Ertz is giving me an LJ Smith vibe with how he doesn't seem to take the next step in any part of his game. He gets absolutely destroyed in the run game.

Our WR's and TE's cant catch a cold--Please just cut MIles Austin already too.

Over the past 3 years our offense has gotten more and more vanilla. We used to show a lot of different looks, plays etc and we just don't any more. Ever since the Suggs hit the zone-read look is nowhere to be found. When the QB looks to hand the ball to the RB its a run every time.

Two very big issues with Chip IMO:

1. We CAN'T get tough yards and seem to be very finesse on offense. When you watch GB, NE even Denver in years past they run out of the shotgun exclusively but when its time to get a yard they have the personnel to get it done. Chip will never get a FB, our OL will always be light and our TE's cant block. We simply aren't built at all to get tough yards. Until we can we wont make a deep playoff run. Teams like that just don't. "Big people beat up little people"-- We need more size up front

2. Even I noticed how gassed both defensive units were so Im sure it was mentioned on TV countless times. Chip is all about plays ran instead of TOP and that is completely fine. The major issue here is that when that number starts to get as bad as it did yesterday you HAVE to make an adjustment. We were still very much in the game at various points in the second half, he needed to slow things down. Much like NE, they will go temp and huddle which keeps defenses off balance and also gives the D some rest. I understand this isn't how he does things but he should have it as an option.

Nice breakdown. How was the atmosphere down there during the game? Would love to hear more about what you saw on the sidelines.

Not sure if your position gave you any more insight into this, but did you get any info or see anything on the play that took Kiko out? No one seems to be talking about it but the possibility of losing him for the year worries me more then almost anything right now.

Early on it was awesome. Very loud and everyone was into the game. Obviously it got worse and worse with every 3 and out and the boos went into full gear after the start of the 3rd quarter. There was also a lot of Dallas fans at the game too.

That is 100% what my position is and we could not locate how or when the injury happened. On his last play he left the field without a limp. We even doubled back and watched all of his plays again and couldn't find anything. The closest to the knee was a play where Dallas had a 3rd and long and dumped the ball off to Witten...when he was tacked he kind of rolled into Kiko but that was it. Kiko played more after that and showed no effects of a knee injury. Very strange.

 

[JuniorNB]

Deamon, do you want my take on Chip now?

No, but I'd love to hear your take on your mancrush, Foles. He may have been the only QB in the league who sucked as much as Bradford.

Small sample size and all, I know, but through 2 games:

Foles - 59.3% CP, 2 TD, 0 INT, 7.45 ANY/A.

Bradford - 66.3% CP, 2 TD, 4 INT, 4.61 ANY/A.

The former, of course, is recording these stats under noted offensive genius Jeff Fisher.

And Foles' career average ANY/A is 6.91 to Bradford's 5.14.

We have plenty of evidence that Foles is a serviceable NFL QB with the potential to be an above-average one. Bradford may well be better - either in Chip's system or even overall - but what little evidence he's provided thus far isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the hypothesis.

Foles showed last year that he is very average. He's showing it again this year. Chip rolled the dice and was/is betting that a healthy Bradford, with all of his tools, was a franchise-type quarterback that could get Philly to a Super Bowl or two. After two games, his vision doesn't seem to be working out. Maybe Bradford will never be the quarterback that he was supposed to be coming out of college. But I'm not blaming Chip for not wanting to go with an average Nick Foles. Just like I won't fault him if he sees that Bradford is nothing special and elects to let him sign elsewhere after the season. I don't want a coach who's satisfied with average.

I don't disagree with anything in that paragraph. In fact I don't disagree with anything you've written, other than your contention that Foles sucks.

You might want t reread what I wrote. I never said Foles sucks. I said he is average. And that Chip didn't want average. He saw average last year. Which is why he made the deal. Maybe Bradford is average too. Then I fully expect Chip to look for another option.

 

[Deamon]

This is what happens when you add 10 new starters. Its going to take some time.

The guards are going to get a lot of crap and they should, however, we don't have a TE on this team that can block. Celek looks done and Ertz is giving me an LJ Smith vibe with how he doesn't seem to take the next step in any part of his game. He gets absolutely destroyed in the run game.

Our WR's and TE's cant catch a cold--Please just cut MIles Austin already too.

Over the past 3 years our offense has gotten more and more vanilla. We used to show a lot of different looks, plays etc and we just don't any more. Ever since the Suggs hit the zone-read look is nowhere to be found. When the QB looks to hand the ball to the RB its a run every time.

Two very big issues with Chip IMO:

1. We CAN'T get tough yards and seem to be very finesse on offense. When you watch GB, NE even Denver in years past they run out of the shotgun exclusively but when its time to get a yard they have the personnel to get it done. Chip will never get a FB, our OL will always be light and our TE's cant block. We simply aren't built at all to get tough yards. Until we can we wont make a deep playoff run. Teams like that just don't. "Big people beat up little people"-- We need more size up front

2. Even I noticed how gassed both defensive units were so Im sure it was mentioned on TV countless times. Chip is all about plays ran instead of TOP and that is completely fine. The major issue here is that when that number starts to get as bad as it did yesterday you HAVE to make an adjustment. We were still very much in the game at various points in the second half, he needed to slow things down. Much like NE, they will go temp and huddle which keeps defenses off balance and also gives the D some rest. I understand this isn't how he does things but he should have it as an option.

Nice breakdown. How was the atmosphere down there during the game? Would love to hear more about what you saw on the sidelines.

Not sure if your position gave you any more insight into this, but did you get any info or see anything on the play that took Kiko out? No one seems to be talking about it but the possibility of losing him for the year worries me more then almost anything right now.

Early on it was awesome. Very loud and everyone was into the game. Obviously it got worse and worse with every 3 and out and the boos went into full gear after the start of the 3rd quarter. There was also a lot of Dallas fans at the game too.

That is 100% what my position is and we could not locate how or when the injury happened. On his last play he left the field without a limp. We even doubled back and watched all of his plays again and couldn't find anything. The closest to the knee was a play where Dallas had a 3rd and long and dumped the ball off to Witten...when he was tacked he kind of rolled into Kiko but that was it. Kiko played more after that and showed no effects of a knee injury. Very strange.

Awesome, I figured you would have had some info on that due to your job. That is very strange for sure.

What about Kendricks?

 

[Lehigh98]

I've been to a lot of Eagles games, that was the worst.

 

[ShaHBucks]

The reason I said Chip would be back in college is because I know Eagles fans. Chip, who I believe is a genius(I just don't get what he sees in QBs), will now be mocked by the media. We're going to echo everything they say and run the guy out of town

He doesn't care what we think. He especially doesn't care what the media thinks.

If you don't think an angry fanbase and local media can cost a coach his job, you are dead wrong. Team owners hate knowing he is losing the fan base.

That's why it took him 4 years of our anger to finally get rid of Andy?

They won't call him a racist for replacing McCoy with Murray over at Texas or Miami. It happens man. Just look at Harbaugh.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Bobby Petrino

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The reason I said Chip would be back in college is because I know Eagles fans. Chip, who I believe is a genius(I just don't get what he sees in QBs), will now be mocked by the media. We're going to echo everything they say and run the guy out of town

He doesn't care what we think. He especially doesn't care what the media thinks.

If you don't think an angry fanbase and local media can cost a coach his job, you are dead wrong. Team owners hate knowing he is losing the fan base.

That's why it took him 4 years of our anger to finally get rid of Andy?

They won't call him a racist for replacing McCoy with Murray over at Texas or Miami. It happens man. Just look at Harbaugh.

I don't know that either Patrino or Harbaugh are good examples here but I understand your overall point. It can happen but I think it will only happen with Chip when he feels like he lost the locker room.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Nick Saban

Kelly would be nuts to come back next year knowing the local media and fans.

 

[Insein]

A trouncing of the Jets and we're all back on board of course but this is one of the worst losses I can remember in recent history.

 

[ShaHBucks]

The reason I said Chip would be back in college is because I know Eagles fans. Chip, who I believe is a genius(I just don't get what he sees in QBs), will now be mocked by the media. We're going to echo everything they say and run the guy out of town

He doesn't care what we think. He especially doesn't care what the media thinks.

If you don't think an angry fanbase and local media can cost a coach his job, you are dead wrong. Team owners hate knowing he is losing the fan base.

That's why it took him 4 years of our anger to finally get rid of Andy?

They won't call him a racist for replacing McCoy with Murray over at Texas or Miami. It happens man. Just look at Harbaugh.

I don't know that either Patrino or Harbaugh are good examples here but I understand your overall point. It can happen but I think it will only happen with Chip when he feels like he lost the locker room.

Right. I'm just saying Chip lands on a cloud regardless. The Eagle could be without a coach, an expensive backfield, Maxwell's contract and Sanchez as the only QB on the roster. He ran up the tab, we get the bill. He's not dead yet. With Romo out the division is begging for a 9-7 division winner. "On paper" we win 3-4 straight. Just don't lose this week. Geez.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The reason I said Chip would be back in college is because I know Eagles fans. Chip, who I believe is a genius(I just don't get what he sees in QBs), will now be mocked by the media. We're going to echo everything they say and run the guy out of town

He doesn't care what we think. He especially doesn't care what the media thinks.

If you don't think an angry fanbase and local media can cost a coach his job, you are dead wrong. Team owners hate knowing he is losing the fan base.

That's why it took him 4 years of our anger to finally get rid of Andy?

They won't call him a racist for replacing McCoy with Murray over at Texas or Miami. It happens man. Just look at Harbaugh.

I don't know that either Patrino or Harbaugh are good examples here but I understand your overall point. It can happen but I think it will only happen with Chip when he feels like he lost the locker room.

Right. I'm just saying Chip lands on a cloud regardless. The Eagle could be without a coach, an expensive backfield, Maxwell's contract and Sanchez as the only QB on the roster. He ran up the tab, we get the bill.He's not dead yet. With Romo out the division is begging for a 9-7 division winner. "On paper" we win 3-4 straight. Just don't lose this week. Geez.

You or one has to think with all of the new players on offense this thing is going to take some time. With the way the pre-season played out I think we all thought we would hit the ground running but that's not the case. It may take another week but I do expect it to come together in the next couple weeks.

On paper right now the NFCE is the worst I can remember--could even have a 7-9 champ this season

 

[Insein]

The preseason is a joke. Everyone is terrified of injuries (rightfully so) that no one gets into game shape.

 

[ShaHBucks]

The reason I said Chip would be back in college is because I know Eagles fans. Chip, who I believe is a genius(I just don't get what he sees in QBs), will now be mocked by the media. We're going to echo everything they say and run the guy out of town

He doesn't care what we think. He especially doesn't care what the media thinks.

If you don't think an angry fanbase and local media can cost a coach his job, you are dead wrong. Team owners hate knowing he is losing the fan base.

That's why it took him 4 years of our anger to finally get rid of Andy?

They won't call him a racist for replacing McCoy with Murray over at Texas or Miami. It happens man. Just look at Harbaugh.

I don't know that either Patrino or Harbaugh are good examples here but I understand your overall point. It can happen but I think it will only happen with Chip when he feels like he lost the locker room.

Right. I'm just saying Chip lands on a cloud regardless. The Eagle could be without a coach, an expensive backfield, Maxwell's contract and Sanchez as the only QB on the roster. He ran up the tab, we get the bill.He's not dead yet. With Romo out the division is begging for a 9-7 division winner. "On paper" we win 3-4 straight. Just don't lose this week. Geez.

You or one has to think with all of the new players on offense this thing is going to take some time. With the way the pre-season played out I think we all thought we would hit the ground running but that's not the case. It may take another week but I do expect it to come together in the next couple weeks.

On paper right now the NFCE is the worst I can remember--could even have a 7-9 champ this season

I totally agree about the NFCE. Oversee a train wreck 7-9 type of team with Sanchez at the helm, get called a racist, have fans/media hate you or go to college, be loved and get a raise in 2016??

Beat the Jet, Dal loses to Atl and its water under the rug. We'll forget about this week. The opposite happens, and all hell is going to break loose here. Next you'll here Chip's name linked to colleges.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Early lines out of Vegas have Eagles 2.5 point faves over the NYJ - http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

A win, coupled with a Dallas loss to a 2-0 Falcons team, and this looks much different.

Disgusted by the start as a fan/season ticket holder. Whether it's a 'tell' signaling to other teams when and where the team is running or just poor blocking, NOTHING works if they can't at least compete at the LOS. And no, I don't believe letting Herremans and Mathis walk was a mistake. Not addressing the OLine recently via drafts has been a glaring oversight IMO.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

They lose to the Jest next week this town will go ape feces. It's been long time since I've been this utterly disgusted with a loss. And to Dallas of all teams.

I don't know lads. I don't want to lose faith after two weeks and I'll reserve judgement for now on everything but two things: they grossly overpaid for Maxwell and I wonder if his psyche can handle being continuously torched and #2 the line is a serious, serious concern.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Signed Thad Lewis

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-sign-qb-thaddeus-lewis-release-stephen-morris

Nice comment by Ruben in the video. Chip was 15-4 with Foles(counting the Giants game), 5-10 without him. #ijs

 

[ShaHBucks]

They lose to the Jest next week this town will go ape feces. It's been long time since I've been this utterly disgusted with a loss. And to Dallas of all teams.

I don't know lads. I don't want to lose faith after two weeks and I'll reserve judgement for now on everything but two things: they grossly overpaid for Maxwell and I wonder if his psyche can handle being continuously torched and #2 the line is a serious, serious concern.

I think it would be worse had Nick beat the Skins.

 

[jurb26]

This offense is a total disaster. The play calling is a disaster. The blocking is a disaster and the amount of drops is disastrous.

I have no idea why they refuse to run the ball. They have attempted 89 passes and only 33 runs. That is losing football in the NFL. Whennthey pass, the only routes they seem to run are verticals, curls and drags.

 

[duaneok66]

agree with you, but they tried to run - the offensive linemen were inviting players to the backfield.

 

[jurb26]

agree with you, but they tried to run - the offensive linemen were inviting players to the backfield.

Try is a loose way of looking at it IMO. 33 runs in 2 games isn't really trying very hard. Yeah, the oline has been abysmal run blocking but when you give up on it that quickly you never let them get any rythm going. This team has no balance. In order to win that way you need extraordinary players, most often at QB. They don't have that. Not even close.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I caught something on the radio detailing that pro football focus outlined that yes the guards are not good but much worse is that chip's scheme has been figured out. They've been running the same stuff and now that Dallas had seen it four times, the crushed them.

Maybe Ash or someone could add some insight because if that's the case--this team may be doomed.

 

[duaneok66]

It's early - I am keeping the faith. I think they have too much talent to give up hope.

 

[duaneok66]

I caught something on the radio detailing that pro football focus outlined that yes the guards are not good but much worse is that chip's scheme has been figured out. They've been running the same stuff and now that Dallas had seen it four times, the crushed them.

Maybe Ash or someone could add some insight because if that's the case--this team may be doomed.

good point. Cosell likes to say that they don't have anyone that can beat man coverage. Kelly is supposed to be super intelligent. If so, then he should have a counter to what defenses are doing.

We will see.

 

[GoBirds]

agree with you, but they tried to run - the offensive linemen were inviting players to the backfield.

Try is a loose way of looking at it IMO. 33 runs in 2 games isn't really trying very hard. Yeah, the oline has been abysmal run blocking but when you give up on it that quickly you never let them get any rythm going.This team has no balance. In order to win that way you need extraordinary players, most often at QB. They don't have that. Not even close.

When they tried they were getting crushed, not just stopped at the line of scrimmage but losing 3-4 yards each time. With that kind of domination I guess they look at an incomplete pass that doesn't lose yards as a lesser evil? It was brutal.

 

[duaneok66]

agree with you, but they tried to run - the offensive linemen were inviting players to the backfield.

Try is a loose way of looking at it IMO. 33 runs in 2 games isn't really trying very hard. Yeah, the oline has been abysmal run blocking but when you give up on it that quickly you never let them get any rythm going.This team has no balance. In order to win that way you need extraordinary players, most often at QB. They don't have that. Not even close.

When they tried they were getting crushed, not just stopped at the line of scrimmage but losing 3-4 yards each time. With that kind of domination I guess they look at an incomplete pass that doesn't lose yards as a lesser evil? It was brutal.

this. It wasn't working. So why continue? I don't understand that line of reasoning.

 

[GoBirds]

I caught something on the radio detailing that pro football focus outlined that yes the guards are not good but much worse is that chip's scheme has been figured out. They've been running the same stuff and now that Dallas had seen it four times, the crushed them.

Maybe Ash or someone could add some insight because if that's the case--this team may be doomed.

good point. Cosell likes to say that they don't have anyone that can beat man coverage. Kelly is supposed to be super intelligent. If so, then he should have a counter to what defenses are doing.

We will see.

Very true, we will learn a lot about him in how he counters.

 

[ImTheScientist]

When will Ryan Matthews take over? Seems like he is a better fit running the ball.

 

[duaneok66]

When will Ryan Matthews take over? Seems like he is a better fit running the ball.

AP would stink behind that line.

 

[renesauz]

Deamon, do you want my take on Chip now?

No, but I'd love to hear your take on your mancrush, Foles. He may have been the only QB in the league who sucked as much as Bradford.

Small sample size and all, I know, but through 2 games:

Foles - 59.3% CP, 2 TD, 0 INT, 7.45 ANY/A.

Bradford - 66.3% CP, 2 TD, 4 INT, 4.61 ANY/A.

The former, of course, is recording these stats under noted offensive genius Jeff Fisher.

And Foles' career average ANY/A is 6.91 to Bradford's 5.14.

We have plenty of evidence that Foles is a serviceable NFL QB with the potential to be an above-average one. Bradford may well be better - either in Chip's system or even overall - but what little evidence he's provided thus far isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the hypothesis.

Foles showed last year that he is very average. He's showing it again this year. Chip rolled the dice and was/is betting that a healthy Bradford, with all of his tools, was a franchise-type quarterback that could get Philly to a Super Bowl or two. After two games, his vision doesn't seem to be working out. Maybe Bradford will never be the quarterback that he was supposed to be coming out of college. But I'm not blaming Chip for not wanting to go with an average Nick Foles. Just like I won't fault him if he sees that Bradford is nothing special and elects to let him sign elsewhere after the season. I don't want a coach who's satisfied with average.

I don't disagree with anything in that paragraph. In fact I don't disagree with anything you've written, other than your contention that Foles sucks.

Broadly speaking, there are 3 classifications of NFL QBs: (1) those who can put an average team on their shoulders and carry them to a Super Bowl; (2) those who can win a Super Bowl when given an excellent supporting cast; and (3) those who can't do either.

I feel pretty safe in tabbing Foles as a bucket #2 guy who's never going to grow into a bucket #1 guy. 99% of NFL head coaches would stick with that guy, work like hell to try to surround him with All-Pros, and cross their fingers that that's enough to do the trick. This natural risk-aversion is why guys like Cutler, Stafford, and Dalton earn monster contracts for being extremely average QBs.

Chip's one of the very few who would toss a bucket 2 guy overboard in favor of a guy whose performance and injury history to date gives him, let's say, a 20% chance of being a bucket 1 guy but a 40% chance of being a bucket 3 guy. I respect both his opinion and his willingness to take that risk. But just because he tossed Foles aside for Bradford in his specific situation doesn't mean that Foles sucks, or even that Bradford will ever be better than he will.

Excellant take. Although I would have kept Foles, I don't think we should castrate Chip for this move even if it fails to work out.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Looking like Kiko is gone for the year and Cedric Thorton will miss a few weeks as well.

Kendricks thinks he may be able to play this week.