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*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (2 Viewers)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
yeah man the lions have had trouble scoring 20 points, that was ugly
fatness
Footballguy
The Redskins DC (Joe Barry) was formerly the DC of the 0-16 Detroit Lions. In case you haven't noticed the Redskins defense is pretty bad and getting worse. In each case, Barry and Davis, my guess is that the HC hired someone who would be compliant and would not be a threat to take his job. And in each case they sucked.
fatness
Footballguy
I've seen the Redskins collapse before, under Shanahan and under Gruden, when players just started quitting. It's pretty surprising to see the Eagles collapse the same way, though. I know some of you will disagree but I think on talent alone, with a mediocre HC, the Eagles are an 8-8 team in the division. To be playing so far below their ability --- that's on the HC.
Anyone think Kelly quits? He's looked disinterested most of the year to me. I realize it's stupid financially to just walk away, but Spurrier did it with the Redskins and left millions on the table. He just didn't want to be there any more.
Anyone think Kelly quits? He's looked disinterested most of the year to me. I realize it's stupid financially to just walk away, but Spurrier did it with the Redskins and left millions on the table. He just didn't want to be there any more.
GoBirds
Footballguy
I think it's a combination of lack of talent and probably got in over his head 1st year with both positions. I think you are right coming into the league he just looked for coordinators that would be compliant and now he is paying for it. With the added GM responsibility he at least needs a D Coordinator that can handle that end. I would like to see him stick around and dump Davis immediately but he is going to have the pick of all top college jobs. As much as people try to knock him he is 5 games over 500 I believe it is in the NFL. This year sucks but hard to call it the failure alot of people wanted it to be.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Also Maxwell might as well wear a ski mask to work everyday the way he is stealing money. I like the signing because QB'S always went after him with Sherman on the other side and he was impressive. I don't know how he can really be this bad, he mailed it in after the big payday. If he isn't as bad as the Nnamdi siging it's definitely close.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I think Nnamdi came in more highly regarded so that was probably a bigger failure but it's definitely close. The question is were they both failures for the a Eagles because they were in the wrong scheme?
GoBirds
Footballguy
Valid point, I believe we did have an Oline coach as D Coordinator that year. Ha.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I'm sorry...I can't believe anyone would defend this defense right now. They are sucking right out of the gate the last few games. Today the offense opened with two long drives. The defense could stop nothing. There have been times that the offense has stressed the defense, and I guess it's fair that they did so again today, but not to the tune of 45 points. That defense would have given up 28+ even if the offense had been clicking on all cylinders today. It was the same story last week...the offense can't take all of the blame when the defense folds that badly in the FIRST QUARTER.
And THAT is absolutely on Davis
And THAT is absolutely on Davis
I posted in the game thread that I can't remember ever seeing any NFL team that so often followed up a good thing on defense (a sack, hold penalty on the offense, nailing a RB for a 4 yard loss) with so manylong conversions on the next play. It seems like the defense has been fine at getting teams to 3rd and 10 or more, but manages to let those teams convert those 3rd and longs at an unbelievable rate. I'm not talking about the 3rd down conversion rate allowed....we know that sucks...but I wouldn't be a bit surprised to learn they are allowing conversions on those 3rd and longs at a near record pace.
Insein
Footballguy
9th worst 3rd down pct on defense in the league.
4th worst 3rd down pct on offensive. We're covering both sides.
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It's not just that. It's the fact that they seem just as likely to let a team convert a 3rd and 12 as they are to allow them to convert a 3rd and 5. The yardage doesn't seem to matter. I don't recall a team letting so many 3rd and longs convert.
I suspect if it were broken down by distance they're actually near average on 3rd and 5, but dead last in 3rd and 10+
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
What happens with Davis could be telling about what will happen with Chip. If he is fired this week, it could mean that Chip desperately wants to fix this and wants to be in this for the long haul. If nothing happens, it could mean that Chip has given up and will bail after the season.
As far as why Davis was hired in the first place, I dunno if it was so much about being compliant as because the best/most promising defensive minds aren't all that eager to work for a team where the offensive system inherently means the defense will be on the field a lot.
As far as why Davis was hired in the first place, I dunno if it was so much about being compliant as because the best/most promising defensive minds aren't all that eager to work for a team where the offensive system inherently means the defense will be on the field a lot.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I don't think Chip would be leaving money on the table if he left. My guess is USC or Texas would pay him even more than he's making now.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
duaneok66
Footballguy
agree.
Look at the replays where Maxwell is trailing (a shallow cross for example) two yards right after the snap - easy completion. rinse. repeat.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
First time ever any team has allowed 5 passing TDs in back to back games in NFL history. So definitely the first time within 5 days.
Ouch. The Saints defense is laughing at us.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
System and acheme breakdowns everywhere. Receivers have been running clean off the line, with no bump or redirect, wide open. Matchup questions as well, for example putting Biggers in at nickel corner (got picked on and shredded by TB) and Rowe playing one-on-one press coverage with Calvin.
These things are 100% coaching, and Chip has nothing to do with the defensive side. Unreal how bad Billy Davis's system has been here over 44 games as Defensive Coordinator. Even more unreal how well this defense played the first few games of the year, especially with takeaways where they led the league up through week 6.
Had a streak of 23 straight games with a TO snapped vs MIA, and the team has zero takeaways in the last 3 games.
Davis has to go, and this is not some 'patsy' or 'sacrificial lamb' type move. He's bad.
These things are 100% coaching, and Chip has nothing to do with the defensive side. Unreal how bad Billy Davis's system has been here over 44 games as Defensive Coordinator. Even more unreal how well this defense played the first few games of the year, especially with takeaways where they led the league up through week 6.
Had a streak of 23 straight games with a TO snapped vs MIA, and the team has zero takeaways in the last 3 games.
Davis has to go, and this is not some 'patsy' or 'sacrificial lamb' type move. He's bad.
jurb26
Footballguy
The D was the strength of the team just a few weeks ago. Now, it's implosion. Let's face it, the Eagles just have bad players in the secondary.
Like I pointed out in the game thread, 2 of their DBs (Maxwell & Jenkins) are in the top 5 for burned. These are guys getting paid to be top 10 guys at their positions, Maxwell 5 & Jenkins 9.
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Mighty Mice
Footballguy
2013 pass defense - 32nd (4636 yards) (290 ypg)
2014 pass defense - 31st (4238 yards) (265 ypg)
2015 pass defense - 27th (2781 yards) (253 ypg)
So, this is improving?
2014 pass defense - 31st (4238 yards) (265 ypg)
2015 pass defense - 27th (2781 yards) (253 ypg)
So, this is improving?
jasvic
Footballguy
In defense of Jenkins, they had been playing him as a slot corner in nickle situations. He's a good safety put in a bad situation. I also wonder how some of these players would look with a different D coordinator/scheme. There have been a few players to leave and do well elsewhere.
jurb26
Footballguy
I don't disagree. The scheme on both sides of the ball has been all sorts of F'd up it seems.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Agreed that Jenkins is a good safety completely miscast in this scheme IMO.
As the stats above show, this is a multi-year issue under Davis. Talent is needed, but I would like to see this D-Line and LBs used in a different scheme. The front 7 has some really, really good players and they are making no impact over the last month.
If Davis isn't fired this week, Chip just doesn't care.2013 pass defense - 32nd (4636 yards) (290 ypg)
2014 pass defense - 31st (4238 yards) (265 ypg)
2015 pass defense - 27th (2781 yards) (253 ypg)
So, this is improving?
GoBirds
Footballguy
He's just brutal. It's amazing we had the record we did the last 2 years. I looked at the coaching staff hoping there was a position coach that looked promising but it didn't happen. Still he has to go and make one of those guys the interim through year end and see if anything improves.If Davis isn't fired this week, Chip just doesn't care.2013 pass defense - 32nd (4636 yards) (290 ypg)
2014 pass defense - 31st (4238 yards) (265 ypg)
2015 pass defense - 27th (2781 yards) (253 ypg)
So, this is improving?
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Kelce: ‘We’re Going To Find Out the Cowards’
DETROIT, MI — Jason Kelce‘s left knee was swollen nearly twice its original size, the upper half of his leg black and blue from the strain. Inflammation of the bursa near his knee joint pushed against a nerve, causing pain to the point where he was having difficulty walking leading up to the game.
But he played, and stayed in there the whole, disastrous game against the Lions. Asked if that’s as good of proof as any that he is still fighting and fighting for Chip Kelly, he responded, “I guess.”
Kelce has been on of Kelly's biggest advocates, and a defender of his methods. After a pair of horrible losses and all signs pointing to dysfunction, has his confidence in Kelly been shaken?
"I will never doubt Chip Kelly and I will never doubt these coaches," he said. "That's the only way you can go about this business in my opinion. Doubters and people that don't trust their teammates and don't trust their coaches, those are losers in my opinion. That's the way you lose games. And obviously we're losing a lot of games right now, we're not doing very well. But that's not ever going to change my approach or my trust in the players in this locker room or the coaches that are telling me what to do."
Even before the Thanksgiving loss, there were signs that cracks were starting to form along the foundation. There was talk of guys in the locker room bailing on the head coach; an anonymous quote from a player suggesting that other teammates weren't giving full effort. Kelce was around for the final days of Andy Reid, and knows that dissension in the ranks comes with the territory when a season goes bad.
"At this point, we're 4-7, we're going to find out what this locker room is made of. We're going to find out who are the guys that are all in and with each other, and we're going to find out the cowards, quite frankly. We're going to find out the guys who will give you an anonymous reports to a reporter; we're going to find out who are the guys that talk behind people's back," he said.
"I think that's good, because then you find out who's all in and who's not."
Asked if he sensed any quitting among his teammates, Lane Johnson responded: "Not really. I'm going to have to go back and really analyze the film."
Most players interviewed try to put the best possible spin on things, perhaps a last attempt to try to keep it together. But their play has spoken volumes about the quality of this team and the amount of fight they've been willing to put forth, and there are still five tests remaining.
"You try to find out who the guys are that are all-in and hopefully we have a lot of guys that are going to stay on board," said Kelce. "I trust everybody in here more than anything. I'm going to fight to the death for all the guys in here. Right now the product is absolutely embarrassing that's on the field right now. The last thing we need, and the last thing a team ever needs, is separation."
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/11/26/kelce-were-going-to-find-out-the-cowards/#e8zO6byql2h7iMVo.99
DETROIT, MI — Jason Kelce‘s left knee was swollen nearly twice its original size, the upper half of his leg black and blue from the strain. Inflammation of the bursa near his knee joint pushed against a nerve, causing pain to the point where he was having difficulty walking leading up to the game.
But he played, and stayed in there the whole, disastrous game against the Lions. Asked if that’s as good of proof as any that he is still fighting and fighting for Chip Kelly, he responded, “I guess.”
Kelce has been on of Kelly's biggest advocates, and a defender of his methods. After a pair of horrible losses and all signs pointing to dysfunction, has his confidence in Kelly been shaken?
"I will never doubt Chip Kelly and I will never doubt these coaches," he said. "That's the only way you can go about this business in my opinion. Doubters and people that don't trust their teammates and don't trust their coaches, those are losers in my opinion. That's the way you lose games. And obviously we're losing a lot of games right now, we're not doing very well. But that's not ever going to change my approach or my trust in the players in this locker room or the coaches that are telling me what to do."
Even before the Thanksgiving loss, there were signs that cracks were starting to form along the foundation. There was talk of guys in the locker room bailing on the head coach; an anonymous quote from a player suggesting that other teammates weren't giving full effort. Kelce was around for the final days of Andy Reid, and knows that dissension in the ranks comes with the territory when a season goes bad.
"At this point, we're 4-7, we're going to find out what this locker room is made of. We're going to find out who are the guys that are all in and with each other, and we're going to find out the cowards, quite frankly. We're going to find out the guys who will give you an anonymous reports to a reporter; we're going to find out who are the guys that talk behind people's back," he said.
"I think that's good, because then you find out who's all in and who's not."
Asked if he sensed any quitting among his teammates, Lane Johnson responded: "Not really. I'm going to have to go back and really analyze the film."
Most players interviewed try to put the best possible spin on things, perhaps a last attempt to try to keep it together. But their play has spoken volumes about the quality of this team and the amount of fight they've been willing to put forth, and there are still five tests remaining.
"You try to find out who the guys are that are all-in and hopefully we have a lot of guys that are going to stay on board," said Kelce. "I trust everybody in here more than anything. I'm going to fight to the death for all the guys in here. Right now the product is absolutely embarrassing that's on the field right now. The last thing we need, and the last thing a team ever needs, is separation."
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/11/26/kelce-were-going-to-find-out-the-cowards/#e8zO6byql2h7iMVo.99
They couldn't beat Miami and TAMPA at home,what makes you think they can beat The Bills and Cardinals at home or win
AT New England? The only reason they MIGHT win 6 games is because they have 2 games left in the NFC LEAST!
Chip's been horrible too. But he isn't going to fire himself. It's obvious that the team is getting worse each game. He's losing his fans. I was one of them. If he stands pat and doesn't do anything, he's going to lose even more. Davis is horrible. I'd rather have Rob Ryan. And he's not good either.He's just brutal. It's amazing we had the record we did the last 2 years. I looked at the coaching staff hoping there was a position coach that looked promising but it didn't happen. Still he has to go and make one of those guys the interim through year end and see if anything improves.If Davis isn't fired this week, Chip just doesn't care.2013 pass defense - 32nd (4636 yards) (290 ypg)
2014 pass defense - 31st (4238 yards) (265 ypg)
2015 pass defense - 27th (2781 yards) (253 ypg)
So, this is improving?
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
And why is Davis playing Rowe at CB anyways? Just watched some replays on NFL Game Rewind and it's pretty obvious he lacks the foot speed to be a CB. He played most of his collegiate career at S, and seems a better fit there. So, don't play your #2 pick all year, then throw him into a miscast role and match him up with one of the best WRs in the league, and give him no help. If completely destroying his confidence was the plan, well done. He was getting some love on the sideline from teammates, telling him to keep his head up, but you could tell the kid was dejected. Stellar coaching right there.
Bailing on this situation for a few days, time to go load up on some Christmas cheer and go Black Friday shopping with the family. If we go past Lids I'm probably going to buy some USC/LSU/MIAMI visors and mail them to Chip's office at the Linc via next day delivery. Merry Christmas.
Bailing on this situation for a few days, time to go load up on some Christmas cheer and go Black Friday shopping with the family. If we go past Lids I'm probably going to buy some USC/LSU/MIAMI visors and mail them to Chip's office at the Linc via next day delivery. Merry Christmas.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
It's hard to really bash Rowe. He wasn't in terrible position on either TD he gave up. Our DC has to know even an inept OC will try to exploit that match up. He didn't care. Same D no matter what. The point of the 3-4 is so you can disguise things better. He disguises nothing.
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Long Ball Larry
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Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Somebody posited last page what difference it would make if they replaced Davis now. This was going to be my exact response. This guy does not get how to make these adjustments.
They might have been ####ed no matter what, but you have to try something different things.
And good lord, why is it so hard to try to run a play for Murray where he could actually be successful?
jasvic
Footballguy
This is the part where Kelly has lost me. Gone are the plays from 2013 that worked and were innovative. Now we have Murray on a sweep for a 1 yard loss, swing pass to Murray for a 1 yard loss, third down incompletion to Miles friggin Austin or a completion to Matthews 2 yards short of the sticks. His offensive game plans are the definition of insanity.
need2know
Footballguy
That's cool and all but maybe they should focus more on playing better football. Who the hell cares who said what?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Nolan Carroll broke his ankl in hits IR
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Watkins. He's been an albatross around my neck all year and now as a consolation prize might catapult me into the playoffs!
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I can see Watkins putting up a dud anyway, but Robert Woods and Chris Hogan going off. The Bills are weird like that.
Mcnabbfan
Footballguy
I don't understand what in the hell Chip or the coaching staff is trying to accomplish. Instead of adapting the systems to the talent on-hand, they insist on hammering square pegs into round holes. Murray is not a fit for what Chip wants to do yet he keeps on trying to push the issue running DeMarco from the shotgun. The QBs on the roster are junk for any system they want run, especially Chips Offense. The WRs are not dynamic enough to scare anybody deep so the short passing, bubble screen game doesn't work. Interior of the Oline is too small and gets pushed around. Sad but this reminds me of the early Andy Reid years when he would not get Donovan a viable NFL caliper WR. Instead he insisted that Stinkston and Trash could get the job done. As a result, a few Superbowl opportunities were missed.
On Defense, the front 7 are a much better fit for a 4-3 scheme. All the d-line and outside linebackers with the except for Cox and Barwin are playing out of position in the 3-4. Kendrick and Alonzo to me are too small to be playing inside in the 3-4. Graham is not an outside linebacker in the 3-4, etc.
Secondary would benefit if the front 7 talents were used correctly.
I am disgusted with this team right now, specifically Chip and his staff. Chip looks very disinterested on the sidelines and is reminding me of Nick Saban. It wouldn't surprise me if Chip quit before the season ended to grab one of those "glamor" college positions.
Sorry for the rant and posting what has probably already been posted.
On Defense, the front 7 are a much better fit for a 4-3 scheme. All the d-line and outside linebackers with the except for Cox and Barwin are playing out of position in the 3-4. Kendrick and Alonzo to me are too small to be playing inside in the 3-4. Graham is not an outside linebacker in the 3-4, etc.
Secondary would benefit if the front 7 talents were used correctly.
I am disgusted with this team right now, specifically Chip and his staff. Chip looks very disinterested on the sidelines and is reminding me of Nick Saban. It wouldn't surprise me if Chip quit before the season ended to grab one of those "glamor" college positions.
Sorry for the rant and posting what has probably already been posted.
Insein
Footballguy
It's funny because people are at the stage I was 3 weeks ago now. I gave it a token ra ra team for Thanksgiving and even put my money where my mouth was but ultimately I'm at the acceptance phase. It is what is.
I can't even get angry cause unless Chip leaves, he's here again next year with Kaep as QB and Murray still the RB hopefully not running the same 5 plays but who knows.
I can't even get angry cause unless Chip leaves, he's here again next year with Kaep as QB and Murray still the RB hopefully not running the same 5 plays but who knows.
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