*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (1 Viewer)

[GoBirds]

It amazes me how Philly fans roasted Reid and McNabb on this board but Kelly a pass. You get what you deserve.

Get the #### out jerkoff.

Don't get mad at me because your coach traded away your best players for hot garbage. How much money does Philly have in rbs? Chip spending money on rbs like he using Oregon Alumni money.

You came in here just to talk smack. Cool.

Yes. I hope Chip returns to make your draft and free agency interesting, I'm looking forward to Oregon East and "Kelly players".

I dont recall you posting anything after Kelly inherited a 4-12 team and won 10 games two years in a row. Please use the offseason to work on your trolling. You're terrible at it.

He won with Reid players. How are those "Kelly" players working out?

it was Reid and those very players who were 4-12 the year before Chip got here. Try again, son.

Reid and those players seem to be doing better than Chip lately.

Foles looks awesome.

DJAX 500 yard season.

McCoy stats down.

Maclin I wish they kept....his stats down.

Good call.

 

[JuniorNB]

It amazes me how Philly fans roasted Reid and McNabb on this board but Kelly a pass. You get what you deserve.

Get the #### out jerkoff.

Don't get mad at me because your coach traded away your best players for hot garbage. How much money does Philly have in rbs? Chip spending money on rbs like he using Oregon Alumni money.

You came in here just to talk smack. Cool.

Yes. I hope Chip returns to make your draft and free agency interesting, I'm looking forward to Oregon East and "Kelly players".

I dont recall you posting anything after Kelly inherited a 4-12 team and won 10 games two years in a row. Please use the offseason to work on your trolling. You're terrible at it.

He won with Reid players. How are those "Kelly" players working out?

it was Reid and those very players who were 4-12 the year before Chip got here. Try again, son.

Reid and those players seem to be doing better than Chip lately.

Foles looks awesome.DJAX 500 yard season.

McCoy stats down.

Maclin I wish they kept....his stats down.

Good call.

yup. Regret losing Maclin. Jackson and McCoy are both injury prone and locker room cancers. Good riddance. Wouldn't want either back for league minimum salary.

 

[thayman]

It amazes me how Philly fans roasted Reid and McNabb on this board but Kelly a pass. You get what you deserve.

Get the #### out jerkoff.

Don't get mad at me because your coach traded away your best players for hot garbage. How much money does Philly have in rbs? Chip spending money on rbs like he using Oregon Alumni money.

You came in here just to talk smack. Cool.

Yes. I hope Chip returns to make your draft and free agency interesting, I'm looking forward to Oregon East and "Kelly players".

I dont recall you posting anything after Kelly inherited a 4-12 team and won 10 games two years in a row. Please use the offseason to work on your trolling. You're terrible at it.

He won with Reid players. How are those "Kelly" players working out?

it was Reid and those very players who were 4-12 the year before Chip got here. Try again, son.

Reid and those players seem to be doing better than Chip lately.

Foles looks awesome.DJAX 500 yard season.

McCoy stats down.

Maclin I wish they kept....his stats down.

Good call.

yup. Regret losing Maclin. Jackson and McCoy are both injury prone and locker room cancers. Good riddance. Wouldn't want either back for league minimum salary.

Jackson has been a great teammate in Washington. It's also no coincidence that the offense didn't really start clicking until Jackson came back healthy. After Cousins and Reed he's the most important player on offense.

 

[GoBirds]

It can be spinned a number of ways but the numbers are the numbers. Maclin was the only big mistake.

 

[JuniorNB]

It amazes me how Philly fans roasted Reid and McNabb on this board but Kelly a pass. You get what you deserve.

Get the #### out jerkoff.

Don't get mad at me because your coach traded away your best players for hot garbage. How much money does Philly have in rbs? Chip spending money on rbs like he using Oregon Alumni money.

You came in here just to talk smack. Cool.

Yes. I hope Chip returns to make your draft and free agency interesting, I'm looking forward to Oregon East and "Kelly players".

I dont recall you posting anything after Kelly inherited a 4-12 team and won 10 games two years in a row. Please use the offseason to work on your trolling. You're terrible at it.

He won with Reid players. How are those "Kelly" players working out?

it was Reid and those very players who were 4-12 the year before Chip got here. Try again, son.

Reid and those players seem to be doing better than Chip lately.

Foles looks awesome.DJAX 500 yard season.

McCoy stats down.

Maclin I wish they kept....his stats down.

Good call.

yup. Regret losing Maclin. Jackson and McCoy are both injury prone and locker room cancers. Good riddance. Wouldn't want either back for league minimum salary.

Jackson has been a great teammate in Washington. It's also no coincidence that the offense didn't really start clicking until Jackson came back healthy. After Cousins and Reed he's the most important player on offense.

He's a punk and a cancer. Glad he's on your team and not mine.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

You can say he's a punk and a cancer over and over but it won't change that he hasn't been that in Washington, and you guys loved him until you needed to rationalize Kelly cutting him.

 

[GoBirds]

You can say he's a punk and a cancer over and over but it won't change that he hasn't been that in Washington, and you guys loved him until you needed to rationalize Kelly cutting him.

You would hope he learned a lesson. He's the same player, great at the deep ball not great anywhere else. He only has 500 yards this year and has been hurt most of the year and your team has doubled it's win total from last year when he played all season. Is what he is and the trend isn't going in the right direction.

 

[JuniorNB]

You can say he's a punk and a cancer over and over but it won't change that he hasn't been that in Washington, and you guys loved him until you needed to rationalize Kelly cutting him.

Not true at all. A few years ago, he admitted he dogged it the whole season because Philly wouldn't renegotiate his contract. Hated him ever since. Plus, if he wasn't in the NFL, he'd be a gang member or in jail. A total thug punk. Enjoy him.

 

[GoBirds]

You can say he's a punk and a cancer over and over but it won't change that he hasn't been that in Washington, and you guys loved him until you needed to rationalize Kelly cutting him.

Not true at all. A few years ago, he admitted he dogged it the whole season because Philly wouldn't renegotiate his contract. Hated him ever since. Plus, if he wasn't in the NFL, he'd be a gang member or in jail. A total thug punk. Enjoy him.

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

 

[JuniorNB]

You can say he's a punk and a cancer over and over but it won't change that he hasn't been that in Washington, and you guys loved him until you needed to rationalize Kelly cutting him.

Not true at all. A few years ago, he admitted he dogged it the whole season because Philly wouldn't renegotiate his contract. Hated him ever since. Plus, if he wasn't in the NFL, he'd be a gang member or in jail. A total thug punk. Enjoy him.

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

most of his games are like last night. 40 yards and invisible. He's fast so once in a while he hooks up with his QB on the only play he's good at. A fly pattern. Plus, he's made of glass and gets hurt if a butterfly lands on him too hard.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

You can say he's a punk and a cancer over and over but it won't change that he hasn't been that in Washington, and you guys loved him until you needed to rationalize Kelly cutting him.

Not true at all. A few years ago, he admitted he dogged it the whole season because Philly wouldn't renegotiate his contract. Hated him ever since. Plus, if he wasn't in the NFL, he'd be a gang member or in jail. A total thug punk. Enjoy him.

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

Uhh most of our big wins and Kirk's breakout have happened since Desean has been back. You can try to shape the narrative however you want but he's extremely important to our offense. Its not all about his numbers, he opens up the entire offense.

JuniorNB, you just described what half the players in the NFL would be without their pro football careers. He doesn't get in any off-field trouble, so there's no way for you to know that.

Anyways, the vast majority of Eagles fans loved Desean despite his punk attitude until they had to rationalize Kelly's roster moves.

 

[GoBirds]

You can say he's a punk and a cancer over and over but it won't change that he hasn't been that in Washington, and you guys loved him until you needed to rationalize Kelly cutting him.

Not true at all. A few years ago, he admitted he dogged it the whole season because Philly wouldn't renegotiate his contract. Hated him ever since. Plus, if he wasn't in the NFL, he'd be a gang member or in jail. A total thug punk. Enjoy him.

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

Uhh most of our big wins and Kirk's breakout have happened since Desean has been back. You can try to shape the narrative however you want but he's extremely important to our offense. Its not all about his numbers, he opens up the entire offense.

JuniorNB, you just described what half the players in the NFL would be without their pro football careers. He doesn't get in any off-field trouble, so there's no way for you to know that.

Anyways, the vast majority of Eagles fans loved Desean despite his punk attitude until they had to rationalize Kelly's roster moves.

Like I said, you can spin it as needed. It's obvious which move hurt the Eagles as once Maclin left our offense went from 5th to 14th. When DeSean left Maclin put up better numbers than he did.I don't think any fan would look back in hindsight and say we shouldn't have paid Maclin whatever he wanted, although he hit the jackpot w his contract w Andy.

 

[JuniorNB]

You can say he's a punk and a cancer over and over but it won't change that he hasn't been that in Washington, and you guys loved him until you needed to rationalize Kelly cutting him.

Not true at all. A few years ago, he admitted he dogged it the whole season because Philly wouldn't renegotiate his contract. Hated him ever since. Plus, if he wasn't in the NFL, he'd be a gang member or in jail. A total thug punk. Enjoy him.

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

Uhh most of our big wins and Kirk's breakout have happened since Desean has been back. You can try to shape the narrative however you want but he's extremely important to our offense. Its not all about his numbers, he opens up the entire offense.

JuniorNB, you just described what half the players in the NFL would be without their pro football careers. He doesn't get in any off-field trouble, so there's no way for you to know that.

Anyways, the vast majority of Eagles fans loved Desean despite his punk attitude until they had to rationalize Kelly's roster moves.

sounds like it's a perfect arrangement. You guys are glad you have him, and eagle fans are glad he's gone. Like I said, enjoy

 

[Insein]

I like Desean. Hated that move but what you gonna do.

 

[Hang 10]

Maclin, McCoy and Jackson were great in Kelly's offense. Not sure how anyone could deny that. Maclin and Jackson have helped get their new teams into the playoffs this season. McCoy was disappointing his first year in Buffalo.

Since those guys left the offense has regressed.

2013: 417.25 yards a game (Jackson, Maclin & McCoy)

2014: 396.75 yards a game (Maclin & McCoy)

2015: 359.7 yards a game

Maybe you guys could provide more insight to the drop off other than losing Reid's weapons.

 

[JuniorNB]

Maclin, McCoy and Jackson were great in Kelly's offense. Not sure how anyone could deny that. Maclin and Jackson have helped get their new teams into the playoffs this season. McCoy was disappointing his first year in Buffalo.

Since those guys left the offense has regressed.

2013: 417.25 yards a game (Jackson, Maclin & McCoy)

2014: 396.75 yards a game (Maclin & McCoy)

2015: 359.7 yards a game

Maybe you guys could provide more insight to the drop off other than losing Reid's weapons.

You should include the 2012 stats. That's what Kelly inherited. The 4-12 team.It's simple. In 2013, Kelly took the league by surprise with his fast paced offense with three options on each call. Receivers were running wide open and Foles had option after option of open targets. Hell, Nick Foles and Riley Cooper looked like studs. In 2014, the league figured it out. Just like the run and shoot. And the wildcat. McCoy's numbers went way down. Foles went from outstanding to very average.

This year is a combination of the continued predictability of Kelly's offense, the aging of the offensive line, and a ridiculous amount old drops (at the halfway mark, they were on a record pace). Maclin's loss is a definite issue. Eagles brass felt Jordan Matthews was ready to be a stud WR1. He wasn't. He's got a bright future, but he's not as good as Maclin.

 

[GoBirds]

Maclin, McCoy and Jackson were great in Kelly's offense. Not sure how anyone could deny that. Maclin and Jackson have helped get their new teams into the playoffs this season. McCoy was disappointing his first year in Buffalo.

Since those guys left the offense has regressed.

2013: 417.25 yards a game (Jackson, Maclin & McCoy)

2014: 396.75 yards a game (Maclin & McCoy)

2015: 359.7 yards a game

Maybe you guys could provide more insight to the drop off other than losing Reid's weapons.

Easy.....teams study film and come up with solutions for the offense Kelly surprised them with in 2013. It's not that complicated. Foles tied the nfl record with 7 TD passes in a game.....now look at him. Watch Cousins next year after teams have an offseason to prepare for him.....he isn't Joe Montana either.

 

[Deamon]

Maclin, McCoy and Jackson were great in Kelly's offense. Not sure how anyone could deny that. Maclin and Jackson have helped get their new teams into the playoffs this season. McCoy was disappointing his first year in Buffalo.

Since those guys left the offense has regressed.

2013: 417.25 yards a game (Jackson, Maclin & McCoy)

2014: 396.75 yards a game (Maclin & McCoy)

2015: 359.7 yards a game

Maybe you guys could provide more insight to the drop off other than losing Reid's weapons.

Our offensive line has gotten progressively worse over those last 3 years. It was fantastic in 2013. Just okay in 2014. And not very good in 2015.

Also some teams have adjusted to this offense. I don't believe that is a massive deal like some do, but I think it plays a small part.

2013 is not an attainable bar to use as a standard. We had only 19 turnovers. 2014 was 36. That's an astronomical difference that killed a lot of drives, and that extra turnover+ a game ALONE could account for 20 less yards of offense per game. This year we're at 29 turnovers. We are taking care of the ball a lot worse lately and that has really stalled our offense from moving the ball and is a major factor in declining yards/game numbers.

Losing those players wasn't the end of the world. But you'll see the biggest dropoff was from last year to this year. Losing Maclin can be attributed partly that that... missing him hurts and not a single person on this board will tell you otherwise so I'm not sure what you're arguing there. Also Sam had a very slow start, and we had 2.5 games with Sanchez which really brought those numbers down too.

Lots of factors go into how a football team performs. And we've had a lot of things like turnovers, injuries, losing maclin, crappy backup qb, etc go into those things. Losing Desean/Shady, and Chip's 'decimation of the roster" and losing mccoy/jackson have very little to do with them.

 

[Hang 10]

You guys ##### about drops every week and I'm just suggesting that letting go 3 sure handed guys might have some correlation. Also, you could be right that Kelly the coach has been figured out and he's really not that awful of a GM. Not sure if that's better or worse.

 

[Insein]

Offensive line. We have drafted only one since Kelly has been here.

 

[GoBirds]

You guys ##### about drops every week and I'm just suggesting that letting go 3 sure handed guys might have some correlation. Also, you could be right that Kelly the coach has been figured out and he's really not that awful of a GM. Not sure if that's better or worse.

If 2013 numbers were somehow sustained he would be the greatest offensive mind ever. I think everyone is OK with that. It could be worse, he could be Jay Gruden or Gus Bradley.

 

[JuniorNB]

You guys ##### about drops every week and I'm just suggesting that letting go 3 sure handed guys might have some correlation. Also, you could be right that Kelly the coach has been figured out and he's really not that awful of a GM. Not sure if that's better or worse.

we haven't #####ed about drops since before the bye. They seemed to have resolved the issue until the 7 last night. Before the bye, any fan of any team would have complained just as much. They were dropping a record amount of balls.

 

[fatness]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

 

[JuniorNB]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

One trick pony and dealing with his personality isn't worth what he offers on the field. It's simple. But yes, he does open things up because teams have to respect his fly patterns.Jordan Reed is a definite difference maker. Top tight end in the league if he can stay healthy.

 

[modogg]

Bradford the lone bright spot on this team lately? Crazy to think that after the things said early on in the year.

EDT: Cox too of course. We gotta wrap him up long term.

n-to-the-o. i know you guys have been defending Bradford all year, and he had some good throws last night, but if her is the best thing on this team the Eagles are in worse shape than the Sixers. he is a capable QB, but no way should he be considered a franchise QB. a stop gap for 2-3 years sure, but i just don't have faith in the offense when they need to score points. sure, bradford isn't the only issue but QB has to have some responsibility for the flaws too

 

[Hang 10]

You guys ##### about drops every week and I'm just suggesting that letting go 3 sure handed guys might have some correlation. Also, you could be right that Kelly the coach has been figured out and he's really not that awful of a GM. Not sure if that's better or worse.

If 2013 numbers were somehow sustained he would be the greatest offensive mind ever. I think everyone is OK with that. It could be worse, he could be Jay Gruden or Gus Bradley.

I'm no fan of Jay Gruden but not sure Kelly is comparing very favorable to him these days. And I'm still not sure why you guys continue to bag on Jackson. He was great last year in Washington and even though this season was shortened by injuries, he still averaged more yards a game than anyone on your roster.

 

[JuniorNB]

Bradford the lone bright spot on this team lately? Crazy to think that after the things said early on in the year.

EDT: Cox too of course. We gotta wrap him up long term.

n-to-the-o. i know you guys have been defending Bradford all year, and he had some good throws last night, but if her is the best thing on this team the Eagles are in worse shape than the Sixers. he is a capable QB, but no way should he be considered a franchise QB. a stop gap for 2-3 years sure, but i just don't have faith in the offense when they need to score points. sure, bradford isn't the only issue but QB has to have some responsibility for the flaws too

Who do you suggest as the quarterback in 2016?

 

[GoBirds]

You guys ##### about drops every week and I'm just suggesting that letting go 3 sure handed guys might have some correlation. Also, you could be right that Kelly the coach has been figured out and he's really not that awful of a GM. Not sure if that's better or worse.

If 2013 numbers were somehow sustained he would be the greatest offensive mind ever. I think everyone is OK with that. It could be worse, he could be Jay Gruden or Gus Bradley.

I'm no fan of Jay Gruden but not sure Kelly is comparing very favorable to him these days. And I'm still not sure why you guys continue to bag on Jackson. He was great last year in Washington and even though this season was shortened by injuries, he still averaged more yards a game than anyone on your roster.

Gruden was horrible last year and on his way out until Reed/Cousins saved his butt. While this year sucks for Kelly and the Skins stepped up in a terrible division Gruden is a joke.

You guys are dying to justify Jackson being something great. That's fine but the facts are he has 600 yards and the trend is definitely down. Maclin stepped in and outperformed him is the reason I didn't care about him going. I think fans in general just don't care for him as a person because he is a bone head.

 

[JetMaxx]

Travis Benjamin is needed and DJax isn't?

 

[JuniorNB]

Travis Benjamin is needed and DJax isn't?

One guy mentioned Benjamin. But anyway, he would do the same thing. As would Ted Ginn jr. They're just burners who keep the safeties deeper and open up the middle. Compare Benjamin's numbers to Jackson's. Desean is nothing special.

 

[GoBirds]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

 

[modogg]

Bradford the lone bright spot on this team lately? Crazy to think that after the things said early on in the year.

EDT: Cox too of course. We gotta wrap him up long term.

n-to-the-o. i know you guys have been defending Bradford all year, and he had some good throws last night, but if her is the best thing on this team the Eagles are in worse shape than the Sixers. he is a capable QB, but no way should he be considered a franchise QB. a stop gap for 2-3 years sure, but i just don't have faith in the offense when they need to score points. sure, bradford isn't the only issue but QB has to have some responsibility for the flaws too

Who do you suggest as the quarterback in 2016?

Bradford if they can. But, i agree with Chip that getting into the top 5 or top 10 is a good way to get a QB. I don't believe the Eagles will be this bad for some time (could be completely wrong too), so if the Eagles get a chance to draft a top 1-2 QB i think they have to go for it. I know there are bigger needs, but you don't get the chance to draft a franchise QB often. I know there have been quite a few who have been drafted out of the top 10 and have done well, but i don't know if we can count on that.

 

[JuniorNB]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

Every year for the last 15, Redskin fans have to hear the fans of the cowboys, goants, and Eagles talking about the playoffs and division titles. For once, the division is so horrible that a .500 redskins team is going to sneak in for a first round ### whooping. So of course they're running their mouths. They finally have something to be happy about. And now they're talking about other teams' problems like their front office has everything figured out. Lol. You can't make this stuff up. Redskin fans! Imagine that.

 

[JetMaxx]

Burning a 2 on a 1 year player is how bad teams stay bad

 

[JuniorNB]

Bradford the lone bright spot on this team lately? Crazy to think that after the things said early on in the year.

EDT: Cox too of course. We gotta wrap him up long term.

n-to-the-o. i know you guys have been defending Bradford all year, and he had some good throws last night, but if her is the best thing on this team the Eagles are in worse shape than the Sixers. he is a capable QB, but no way should he be considered a franchise QB. a stop gap for 2-3 years sure, but i just don't have faith in the offense when they need to score points. sure, bradford isn't the only issue but QB has to have some responsibility for the flaws too

Who do you suggest as the quarterback in 2016?

Bradford if they can. But, i agree with Chip that getting into the top 5 or top 10 is a good way to get a QB. I don't believe the Eagles will be this bad for some time (could be completely wrong too), so if the Eagles get a chance to draft a top 1-2 QB i think they have to go for it. I know there are bigger needs, but you don't get the chance to draft a franchise QB often. I know there have been quite a few who have been drafted out of the top 10 and have done well, but i don't know if we can count on that.

no way. Unless Bradford signs elsewhere. All you had to do is watch the second half of the season to realize QB was one of the few positions that was playing well. With that aging offensive line and terrible defense, unless Marcus Marita is available again, they would be foolish to draft a QB with so many other needs.

 

[GoBirds]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

Every year for the last 15, Redskin fans have to hear the fans of the cowboys, goants, and Eagles talking about the playoffs and division titles. For once, the division is so horrible that a .500 redskins team is going to sneak in for a first round ### whooping. So of course they're running their mouths. They finally have something to be happy about. And now they're talking about other teams' problems like their front office has everything figured out. Lol. You can't make this stuff up. Redskin fans! Imagine that.

I live around a bunch of them....it's brutal. If they sniff .500 or god forbid finish ahead in the division 1 out of 5 years it's dynasty again.

 

[JuniorNB]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

Every year for the last 15, Redskin fans have to hear the fans of the cowboys, goants, and Eagles talking about the playoffs and division titles. For once, the division is so horrible that a .500 redskins team is going to sneak in for a first round ### whooping. So of course they're running their mouths. They finally have something to be happy about. And now they're talking about other teams' problems like their front office has everything figured out. Lol. You can't make this stuff up. Redskin fans! Imagine that.

I live around a bunch of them....it's brutal. If they sniff .500 or god forbid finish ahead in the division 1 out of 5 years it's dynasty again.

Just remind them of the RG3 deal. That should shut them up. Worst GM move of the past 20 years.

 

[modogg]

Burning a 2 on a 1 year player is how bad teams stay bad

without a doubt, losing that 2nd rounder is the biggest kick in the balls with that trade. i wouldn't have minded it, but knowing we dno't have a 2nd rounder this year just makes it burn significantly more.

 

[GoBirds]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

Every year for the last 15, Redskin fans have to hear the fans of the cowboys, goants, and Eagles talking about the playoffs and division titles. For once, the division is so horrible that a .500 redskins team is going to sneak in for a first round ### whooping. So of course they're running their mouths. They finally have something to be happy about. And now they're talking about other teams' problems like their front office has everything figured out. Lol. You can't make this stuff up. Redskin fans! Imagine that.

I live around a bunch of them....it's brutal. If they sniff .500 or god forbid finish ahead in the division 1 out of 5 years it's dynasty again.

Just remind them of the RG3 deal. That should shut them up. Worst GM move of the past 20 years.

Worse than Fat Albert Haynesworth?

 

[fatness]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

The Redskins are improving under McCloughan and Gruden. The Eagles are regressing under Kelly and Kelly. Kelly didn't want Jackson. Jackson has been a large help to the Skins.

Which part of that are you arguing with?

 

[JuniorNB]

Burning a 2 on a 1 year player is how bad teams stay bad

without a doubt, losing that 2nd rounder is the biggest kick in the balls with that trade. i wouldn't have minded it, but knowing we dno't have a 2nd rounder this year just makes it burn significantly more.

Only if Bradford signs elsewhere. If he stays and plays like he did in his last seven starts, that is definitely worth a second round pick. Considering that Foles might get cut by the Rams. Bradford for a 2 isn't bad. Assuming he stays.

 

[JuniorNB]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

The Redskins are improving under McCloughan and Gruden. The Eagles are regressing under Kelly and Kelly. Kelly didn't want Jackson. Jackson has been a large help to the Skins.

Which part of that are you arguing with?

the argument is that you're flying high because of one season. Continue the improvement them come back to us. You guys were peacocking quite a bit after RG3's rookie year too.

 

[Hang 10]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

The Redskins are improving under McCloughan and Gruden. The Eagles are regressing under Kelly and Kelly. Kelly didn't want Jackson. Jackson has been a large help to the Skins.

Which part of that are you arguing with?

shhsshh...I think they are about to start bringing up the golden era of Philly when they used to choke in the NFC title game.

 

[GoBirds]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

The Redskins are improving under McCloughan and Gruden. The Eagles are regressing under Kelly and Kelly. Kelly didn't want Jackson. Jackson has been a large help to the Skins.

Which part of that are you arguing with?

The context. Yes the Eagles have regressed....from 10 wins. Yes the Skins have inproved...from 4 wins. It's one year.

My other point is the numbers don't support Chip getting rid of Jackson was a mistake...is that wrong? Essentially I feel Chip catches an unreasonable amount of ship.

 

[fatness]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

The Redskins are improving under McCloughan and Gruden. The Eagles are regressing under Kelly and Kelly. Kelly didn't want Jackson. Jackson has been a large help to the Skins.

Which part of that are you arguing with?

the argument is that you're flying high because of one season. Continue the improvement them come back to us. You guys were peacocking quite a bit after RG3's rookie year too.

That's not an argument with any of those statements.

"The Redskins are improving under McCloughan and Gruden. The Eagles are regressing under Kelly and Kelly. Kelly didn't want Jackson. Jackson has been a large help to the Skins."

 

[Hang 10]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

The Redskins are improving under McCloughan and Gruden. The Eagles are regressing under Kelly and Kelly. Kelly didn't want Jackson. Jackson has been a large help to the Skins.

Which part of that are you arguing with?

the argument is that you're flying high because of one season. Continue the improvement them come back to us. You guys were peacocking quite a bit after RG3's rookie year too.

Who's been peacocking? Saying Kelly has a been a disaster at GM is not saying the skins are going to the super bowl. You and bird man are the only one's talking about the Redskins.

 

[JuniorNB]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

The Redskins are improving under McCloughan and Gruden. The Eagles are regressing under Kelly and Kelly. Kelly didn't want Jackson. Jackson has been a large help to the Skins.

Which part of that are you arguing with?

The context. Yes the Eagles have regressed....from 10 wins. Yes the Skins have inproved...from 4 wins. It's one year. My other point is the numbers don't support Chip getting rid of Jackson was a mistake...is that wrong? Essentially I feel Chip catches an unreasonable amount of ship.

if Desean was cut in the offseason, Philly still wouldn't want him and 90% of their fans would be happy about it. They want so badly for Philly to regret letting him go. Lol.

 

[GoBirds]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

The Redskins are improving under McCloughan and Gruden. The Eagles are regressing under Kelly and Kelly. Kelly didn't want Jackson. Jackson has been a large help to the Skins.

Which part of that are you arguing with?

the argument is that you're flying high because of one season. Continue the improvement them come back to us. You guys were peacocking quite a bit after RG3's rookie year too.

Basically this. A good year for the Skins is a bad year for the Eagles in the Lurie/Snyder Era. One year they reach average and now this.

 

[Hang 10]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

The Redskins are improving under McCloughan and Gruden. The Eagles are regressing under Kelly and Kelly. Kelly didn't want Jackson. Jackson has been a large help to the Skins.

Which part of that are you arguing with?

The context. Yes the Eagles have regressed....from 10 wins. Yes the Skins have inproved...from 4 wins. It's one year.

My other point is the numbers don't support Chip getting rid of Jackson was a mistake...is that wrong? Essentially I feel Chip catches an unreasonable amount of ship.

You guys are way too sensitive about Jackson. Forget Jackson for a minute. The o-line, running backs, receivers and QB play have got worse each year. How do you not hold Chip's roster moves responsible for that?

 

[JuniorNB]

Skins fans do whatever they can to justify him as some stud they stole from the Eagles but the reality is they are way better this year when he missed most the year than last year when he played. He's flashy and fun to watch every 3rd game but not the game changer they want him to be.

You're pretty good at football knowledge but this is terrible analysis. I think maybe your dislike of Jackson was talking there, and not your acumen.

The Skins offense was lousy this year without Reed and without Jackson. Reed coming back opened up the middle of the field for the offense. Jackson coming back took the lid off the field. Defenses could no longer defend the Skins by playing against only short passes and runs. I believe Jackson leads the league is plays of 20 yards or more, and he hasn't played a whole season. I don't like or dislike him as a person. I just see what he did for the Skins offense this year. The whole field opens up when he's playing, and you can see it in the increased offensive output.

edited to add: Whether the Eagles should or should not have dropped Jackson is something I don't care about. That's the Eagles' mess. I'm just glad he was available, because he's been quite a help to the Skins and to Cousins in particular.

I think I just get fatigued by the biased efforts to make a 600 yard receiver this year sound amazing and that he is a reason for Chip's "downfall". While he clearly fills a role on the Skins Reed is the beast not him. Also just the fact that Skins/Eagles will finish a couple games apart and it's some amazing season for the Skins and the Eagles are considered a disaster. That speaks to the state of both franchises in recent decades that a game or 2 apart is viewed so differently. I guess I just don't get all the Chip doom and gloom when his worst season is one the Skins would have been excited about after last year.

The Redskins are improving under McCloughan and Gruden. The Eagles are regressing under Kelly and Kelly. Kelly didn't want Jackson. Jackson has been a large help to the Skins.

Which part of that are you arguing with?

the argument is that you're flying high because of one season. Continue the improvement them come back to us. You guys were peacocking quite a bit after RG3's rookie year too.

Who's been peacocking? Saying Kelly has a been a disaster at GM is not saying the skins are going to the super bowl. You and bird man are the only one's talking about the Redskins.

I think most Eagle fans are underwhelmed with what Kelly has done in his first year as GM. It's just funny hearing about it from fans of the team that traded all those picks for a one year wonder. We know some of the moves were terrible. You aren't making some earth shattering observation. It's old news.