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*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (2 Viewers)
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Mystery Achiever
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Reasons Lurie gave for firing now was to give him more time to talk to the players before they disperse for the season and Kelly more time to get next thing. Any questions around whether hiring Chip or giving control was a mistake were answered talking abut how it made sense to be bold but bold=risky and doesn't always work out.
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Bigboy10182000
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The big swing and miss with Andy were his final 2-3 drafts. Probably top 3 worst in our history
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Wants the new coach to be someone who can really communicate with the players and organization. And value emotional intelligence.
He has really said nothing during this press conference, but this is what stands out to me as the issue.
He has really said nothing during this press conference, but this is what stands out to me as the issue.
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I agree. I think that says a lot about what he thought Chip's shortcomings were.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Old Smiley
Footballguy
You can ONLY make this stuff up. Some blogger pulls it out of his butt, and suddenly it's "being discussed".
fbelange
Footballguy
Admittedly, I have no idea if Mark Dantonio would consider the NFL or if the NFL owners/GM's would consider him, but I think he's one of the best college coaches right now and could excel in the pro game.
Who are the possibilities the local Philly sportswriters are thinking will replace Chip? A veteran NFL coach or another outsider?
With Eli?? Lol.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
McDermott is the easy connection with his past in Philly and how good Carolina D has been.
B-Deep
Footballguy
The thought of Eli in that offense, well, it reminds me of Peyton in Kubiak's offense to be quite frank.
Or Bradford in Kelly's
B-Deep
Footballguy
babydemon90
Footballguy
I'd like them to look closely at Hue Jackson (got a raw deal in being fired after one 8-8 season) or McDermott (clearly we jumped the gun on letting him go too soon).
need2know
Footballguy
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Just ran through the Twitter accounts of a number of Eagles players. Not a single "Good luck, Chip" or other mention.
GoBirds
Footballguy
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/12/what_eagles_players_are_saying_about_chip_kellys_f.html#12
Marcus Smith LOL.....tell us how you really feel.
Marcus Smith LOL.....tell us how you really feel.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Howie will run personnel, Donahue is under him. Coach will also have input #Eagles
Lurie just clarified -- it'll be a new head coach, Tom Donahue and Howie Roseman running the show. All working together. #Eagles
"I was ecstatic, I didn't expect it to happen right when it did," Marcus Smith on Chip kelly's firing. #Eagles #NFL
Brees is laughing about the reports that say he and Payton won't be here next year. Said he should have been traded to about 4 teams by now
Brees - I wonder how some people in this industry have a job with what they report and who they're getting their info from, their cousin?
See the above tweets. One of the main reasons why I haven't been posting as many is because somewhere along the line the copy and paste on my on my phone stopped adding links as well as who the person was who tweeted it
Lurie just clarified -- it'll be a new head coach, Tom Donahue and Howie Roseman running the show. All working together. #Eagles
"I was ecstatic, I didn't expect it to happen right when it did," Marcus Smith on Chip kelly's firing. #Eagles #NFL
Brees is laughing about the reports that say he and Payton won't be here next year. Said he should have been traded to about 4 teams by now
Brees - I wonder how some people in this industry have a job with what they report and who they're getting their info from, their cousin?
See the above tweets. One of the main reasons why I haven't been posting as many is because somewhere along the line the copy and paste on my on my phone stopped adding links as well as who the person was who tweeted it
B-Deep
Footballguy
I did not see a lot of positive stuff in there.
Perhaps that's to be expected though when a coach was just fired.
dirtyjay
Footballguy
While we are at it....why does a championship won in 1960 NOT count, while one won in 1967 count?JuniorNB said:phew! Thanks for finally figuring out the problem. You are an NFL genius. Now tell us all why these teams have no ringsfbelange said:etroit Lions
Cleveland Browns
Jacksonville Jaguars
Arizona Cardinals
Tennessee Titans
San Diego Chargers
Buffalo Bills
Minnesota Vikings
Atlanta Falcons
Cincinnati Bengals
Carolina Panthers
they changed the name of the game, duh. LolWhile we are at it....why does a championship won in 1960 NOT count, while one won in 1967 count?JuniorNB said:phew! Thanks for finally figuring out the problem. You are an NFL genius. Now tell us all why these teams have no ringsfbelange said:
Cleveland Browns
Jacksonville Jaguars
Arizona Cardinals
Tennessee Titans
San Diego Chargers
Buffalo Bills
Minnesota Vikings
Atlanta Falcons
Cincinnati Bengals
Carolina Panthers
Because unless it is called a "Super Bowl", the game was meaningless and nobody cares. Duh.While we are at it....why does a championship won in 1960 NOT count, while one won in 1967 count?JuniorNB said:phew! Thanks for finally figuring out the problem. You are an NFL genius. Now tell us all why these teams have no ringsfbelange said:
Cleveland Browns
Jacksonville Jaguars
Arizona Cardinals
Tennessee Titans
San Diego Chargers
Buffalo Bills
Minnesota Vikings
Atlanta Falcons
Cincinnati Bengals
Carolina Panthers
NajehHejan
Footballguy
Great scathing anti-Chip article
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/eagles/?wss=/philly/sports/eagles&id=363788661
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/eagles/?wss=/philly/sports/eagles&id=363788661
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
The consensus is that Sam Bradford lived up to the hype? and we should sign/franchise him?
I'm running some numbers now... and he doesn't look too good. The only good defenses we played all year were Atl(maybe?), Dal(the 1st time. 2nd time he had no TD in regulation), NYJ, Car, NE(injuries), and ARI(garbage time score). He sucked pretty much.
2-5 vs winning teams. 4-1 vs loser(not counting MIA). 6-7 in starts with a 84 QB rate. 33rd ranked QBR, right next to iconic QB's like Luck, Manning and Foles this season. Sanchez is 4-6 in starts with an 86.6 QB rate as an Eagles. He even had a Bradford like performance on Thanksgiving(and the week before IMO) and just can't beat a winning team late. I really hope we don't pay anywhere near Bradford's market value for Sanchez(or Foles 2014, less winning, if anyone wants to go there) type of production. This was my beef all along. The risk/reward is terrible.
What's the stretch where he supposedly had great numbers and won games? I know I post when the schedule was turning into cake, and thought he could/should produce for FF, but I jumped off the wagon ASAP. just asking for research purposes if anyone cares. Cherry pick the last 6 games?
I'm running some numbers now... and he doesn't look too good. The only good defenses we played all year were Atl(maybe?), Dal(the 1st time. 2nd time he had no TD in regulation), NYJ, Car, NE(injuries), and ARI(garbage time score). He sucked pretty much.
2-5 vs winning teams. 4-1 vs loser(not counting MIA). 6-7 in starts with a 84 QB rate. 33rd ranked QBR, right next to iconic QB's like Luck, Manning and Foles this season. Sanchez is 4-6 in starts with an 86.6 QB rate as an Eagles. He even had a Bradford like performance on Thanksgiving(and the week before IMO) and just can't beat a winning team late. I really hope we don't pay anywhere near Bradford's market value for Sanchez(or Foles 2014, less winning, if anyone wants to go there) type of production. This was my beef all along. The risk/reward is terrible.
What's the stretch where he supposedly had great numbers and won games? I know I post when the schedule was turning into cake, and thought he could/should produce for FF, but I jumped off the wagon ASAP. just asking for research purposes if anyone cares. Cherry pick the last 6 games?
6-2 Over The Last 8 he Started. That's not cherry picking. That's his most recent data. And considering he was coming off of two knee injuries and learning a new offense, those are the best games to judge him by.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Posted this in the Bradford thread:
- In the last 8 games he started and finished for Philly, the team went 6-2.
- In his last 7 games, he has completed 66.4 percent of his passes for eight touchdowns while throwing only three interceptions. His passer rating during that stretch is a respectable 94.9. If that was his number for the season, he would rank 13th in the NFL, right behind Eli Manning of the New York Giants and Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers.
- He has thrown to the drop squad all season. The Eagles have let more passes slip through their hands than any other team in the NFL
modogg
Footballguy
i have to look at those 8 games again, but i think that stat of him 6-2 over last 8 is misleading. The pats win really had almost nothing to do with Bradford. All he had to do was not turn it over a bunch.
and i would like to look at some of the other numbers a little closer. I would love to know how many times the Eagles came fro behind to win a game (showing an offense surge)
GoBirds
Footballguy
Draft which we won't be positioned for the top options or roll the dice on Kaep/RG3 which I doubt ends well.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
It's a super stressful job. Loneliness of command and all. Plus, I think many first timers think, "Here's my shot. I'm hired to be fired. If I'm going to fail, I might as well have done it my way." Can definitely come across as distant/arrogant. McDaniels in DEN eg.
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Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Disagree.
"And here is what Bradford did Sunday in the Eagles' 35-28 victory over the Patriots, in a game in which the statistics (14-for-24, 120 yards) suggested that he was ordinary at best: four vital third-down completions, two for touchdowns and two for first downs. Without even one of those throws, the Eagles lose Sunday, and isn't that the best way to judge a quarterback, whether he makes the right play in a big moment?
"That's kind of hard to say," Bradford said. "The great quarterbacks are the ones who do it on a consistent basis, regardless of whether it's a big play. They're all big plays. But to be able to execute in some of those critical situations, it's good to see."
Amid the craziness of Sunday's game, the first of those completions was the one that's most easily forgotten: a 20-yarder to Jordan Matthews on third-and-10 in the second quarter. It extended the drive that culminated in the Eagles' first touchdown and Bradford's second key third-down throw: his five-yard touchdown to Zach Ertz.
The third and fourth came in the fourth quarter, and they were Bradford's finest moments of the night: rolling right on third-and-2 and threading a perfect throw to Matthews for a 10-yard touchdown, hanging in the pocket on third-and-11 during the Eagles' next-to-last possession, when they needed a first down to keep Brady and the Patriots off the field, and finding Riley Cooper for 14 yards.
"He came up clutch for us - really won us the game there," tackle Lane Johnson said.
If Johnson's praise of Bradford seems excessive, take care to understand its context. When Bradford left that Nov. 15 game against the Dolphins because of that hellacious hit from linebacker Chris McCain, the Eagles led by three points. They eventually lost, 20-19, their last chance for salvaging a victory stolen from them by Mark Sanchez's indefensible decision to try to hit Miles Austin on a crossing route in the end zone. The pass was intercepted, and with Sanchez as their starter, the Eagles lost their next two games by a combined 59 points.
Though there's no way to prove that Sanchez's interception brought on a collective psychological sag among his teammates, a here-we-go-again-with-this-guy kind of feeling, the theory isn't implausible. In fact, it was Kelly himself who, through his late-game play-calling Sunday, lent it credence. Look at that Eagles possession with three minutes left in the fourth quarter, with the Patriots down seven, with everyone in Philadelphia uneasy until Bradford hits Cooper.
On first down, Kelly calls for Bradford to roll to his right and gives him a choice: throw the ball if someone is clearly open; otherwise, keep it. Bradford runs for no gain, forcing New England to use its second timeout. On second down, a handoff to Darren Sproles lost a yard, and the Patriots used their final timeout. Third-and-11, Brady standing on the opposite sideline, a big lead having shrunk to a one-score game - ask yourself if Kelly would have had Sanchez throw the ball in that situation.
No way, no how.
But he demanded Bradford's best in that moment, and he got it.
"When you have a smart quarterback," Kelly said, "you trust him that he can do that."
There will be questions galore in the weeks to come about Bradford's future with the Eagles. Will they try to re-sign him? Does he want to return? (He did not come to them of his own free will, after all. He was traded here.) What would a contract extension cost? What is he worth?
Those answers will come in time, only after everyone sees what Sam Bradford does over these next four weeks, whether he continues to be the quarterback he was Sunday.
"I felt like I made the plays when they had to be made," he said.
For the Eagles' long-term future, that sounds like something they could live with, and might have to. For one game that no one expected them to win, it was everything."
http://www.philly.co...QcLVsE6eJv1u.99
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duaneok66
Footballguy
that's my point . . . you're stuck drafting a second tier QB (a guy like Osweiler for example, was a second round pick . . . is he even an average starter?) . . .
Kaep/RG ? right - take someone else's picked apart leftovers . . .
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
That's who you think he is?
No TD's in regulation vs Dallas. Imagine loosing that one at the time. It would have been crazy. Long TD to Matthews so nothing to say here.
Mia is whatever. Didn't finish the game.
Lots of luck vs NE.
Rex Ryan.. Winston and Stafford destroyed us and NE threw the ball 50+ times leading into this game, yet Ryan insisted on a run heavy gameplan with Sammy Watkins on his team. He wanted to win the story with McCoy more than the game.
David Johnson is amazing. Racked up some garbage time numbers.
Threw the ball 56x vs Washington. A good bit vs prevent defense.
comp% is not impressive in the offense to me.
6-2? We just lost to Ari and Was. And took a loss to Car. All of the playoff teams we faced except for a banged up NE teams. We won 6 games all season. I'm lost here
You could have just posted the last three words. Clueless as ever.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Yep. 5-3 last 8 games he started and finished, I tallied one wrong. PHI lost to CAR, ARI, WAS. They beat NYG, NO, DAL, NE, BUF.
I'd like to think they beat MIA had he not been hurt, Sanchez killed us at the end there, but who's to say.
To the point of 'who he is' who knows? The last 7 games stats above is from Philly.com, and regardless if we won/lost, or who we played, his completion rate and passer rating is above average and his mistakes are down. He looks more comfortable and has shown toughness. I'm not going to beat the guy up for throwing too much because the defense is very poor or what other teams are doing against Philly in terms of strategy.
If not him, an average QB who was clearly improving, then who? New coach, his call along with Bowie. I'm very interested in what THEY think. I think it can be argued either way, he's not a slam dunk and sure is going to take some $$$ to find out.
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ShaHBucks
Footballguy
A question Chip should have answered before the ill-fated trade.
We got the same production from Sanchez for a fraction of the price. I don't think we can do much worse 2016+. But lets see who the coach is first.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Stats and even wins and loses aside. What do you see when you watch him? Do you see a QB who has top 15 potential? If he had the same weapons as a Palmer or Dalton what do you think his numbers would look like?
I hadn't watched any of his games prior to this season. When the season started admittedly I think he just looked below average. Over the past month or so he has looked above average IMO. He stands tall in the pocket, seems tough and has put the ball in some great spots. Also, one of the knocks was that he can't or won't throw deep. Over this same time period he has competed more deep passes than any other QB in the league. Some have been perfectly thrown and many have been dropped. This is to WRs who have almost no seperation.
When I watch him, he just looks better than Sanchez or Foles. That's JMO.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Totally agree. I can appreciate what the numbers say, but when you watch Sam, he has a more catchable ball (drops be damned) and looks like he has much better poise and command (once he got more comfortable). Plus he can throw a deep ball. I don't know what people are seeing when they watch Sanchez, but he just doesn't look like he is in as much control and he has had plenty of his own issues. Not sure when it has looked like he can take the team to another level.
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