*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (1 Viewer)

[Mighty Mice]

Belichick weighs in:

Two days after the Eagles fired Chip Kelly, a friend of the former coach came to his defense. Bill Belichick talked extensively today with Patriots reporters about why he disagreed with Jeffrey Lurie’s decision, according to CSN New England.

“Yeah, I would say it’s actually disappointing,” Belichick said. “Chip Kelly to me is a really good football coach. He does a great job. I think he’s done a good job with that team. It’s disappointing to see, you know, Josh [McDaniels] in Denver . . . There’s a lot of examples. But pretty much everybody’s on a one-year contract in this league. I don’t know how you build a program in one year.

"Chip's a great coach. He'll end up somewhere, and he'll do a great job there. I'd say a lot of the players that were on the Eagles that are no longer on the Eagles aren't really doing too much for anybody else, either.

http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/12/31/bill-belichick-disappointed-philadelphia-eagles-firing-chip-kelly/#3MdWq7XC5fDdiG7B.99

 

[Long Ball Larry]

It will be interesting to see how they play this week. That is for sure

I think that it will be extremely interesting to see what the offense is like with Shurmur's game plan.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I like goff

me too. Are you saying there's a legitimate chance we get him with our pick likely around #11? I like Mariota last year too.

Dude threw 6 TD yesterday....I like him too. Too bad we aren't picking #1.

Who knows how everyone feels. Stranger things have happened though but the whole "a guy isn't going at this pick" is very premature IMO

Usually this early that's the case because they are rated lower then shoot up because teams need QB'S.

Yes, although let's look at the teams likely drafting ahead of us and their QB needs:

Tennessee - No

Cleveland - Maybe. Really have no idea what they will do.

Cowboys - No

49ers - Definite Possibility

Charges - No

Ravens - No

Dolphins - Doubt it

Jags - No

Giants - No

Bucs - No

Lions - No

Bears - Doubt it

Saints - Doubt it

So I think that only the 49ers are a lock to be in the QB market. Might depend on exactly where the draft spot is.

 

[babydemon90]

Marcus Smith should get 1st team reps this Sunday.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

It's probably rare that NO QBs are drafted in the top ten.

Only once in the past 15 years (2013). Interestingly, as you go back in the decades, it was more common not to have a top-10 QB.

 

[GoBirds]

I like goff

me too. Are you saying there's a legitimate chance we get him with our pick likely around #11? I like Mariota last year too.

Dude threw 6 TD yesterday....I like him too. Too bad we aren't picking #1.

Who knows how everyone feels. Stranger things have happened though but the whole "a guy isn't going at this pick" is very premature IMO

Usually this early that's the case because they are rated lower then shoot up because teams need QB'S.

Yes, although let's look at the teams likely drafting ahead of us and their QB needs:

Tennessee - No

Cleveland - Maybe. Really have no idea what they will do.

Cowboys - No

49ers - Definite Possibility

Charges - No

Ravens - No

Dolphins - Doubt it

Jags - No

Giants - No

Bucs - No

Lions - No

Bears - Doubt it

Saints - Doubt it

So I think that only the 49ers are a lock to be in the QB market. Might depend on exactly where the draft spot is.

Cowboys are definitely in play and probably Chargers.

 

[JuniorNB]

I like goff

me too. Are you saying there's a legitimate chance we get him with our pick likely around #11? I like Mariota last year too.

Dude threw 6 TD yesterday....I like him too. Too bad we aren't picking #1.

Who knows how everyone feels. Stranger things have happened though but the whole "a guy isn't going at this pick" is very premature IMO

Usually this early that's the case because they are rated lower then shoot up because teams need QB'S.

Yes, although let's look at the teams likely drafting ahead of us and their QB needs:

Tennessee - No

Cleveland - Maybe. Really have no idea what they will do.

Cowboys - No

49ers - Definite Possibility

Charges - No

Ravens - No

Dolphins - Doubt it

Jags - No

Giants - No

Bucs - No

Lions - No

Bears - Doubt it

Saints - Doubt it

So I think that only the 49ers are a lock to be in the QB market. Might depend on exactly where the draft spot is.

Cowboys are definitely in play and probably Chargers.

if Cleveland fires Petine, good chance Cleveland looks at a QB in the first also.

 

[need2know]

I like goff

me too. Are you saying there's a legitimate chance we get him with our pick likely around #11? I like Mariota last year too.

Dude threw 6 TD yesterday....I like him too. Too bad we aren't picking #1.

Who knows how everyone feels. Stranger things have happened though but the whole "a guy isn't going at this pick" is very premature IMO

Usually this early that's the case because they are rated lower then shoot up because teams need QB'S.

Yes, although let's look at the teams likely drafting ahead of us and their QB needs:

Tennessee - No

Cleveland - Maybe. Really have no idea what they will do.

Cowboys - No

49ers - Definite Possibility

Charges - No

Ravens - No

Dolphins - Doubt it

Jags - No

Giants - No

Bucs - No

Lions - No

Bears - Doubt it

Saints - Doubt it

So I think that only the 49ers are a lock to be in the QB market. Might depend on exactly where the draft spot is.

Cowboys are definitely in play and probably Chargers.

Hopefully boyz trade for manziel. That will take them out of play

 

[babydemon90]

Saints as well will be in QB market

 

[modogg]

We need to lose. I don't know that we can. The players will be fired up to show Chip was a joke.

Only hope is that we try to implement a new offense this week and guys have trouble adapting to it.

if this means all of a sudden we don't have 5 drops or 5 bad penalties that would certainly be telling. but just cause Chip is out doesn't mean Peters will be healthy or all of a sudden our offense will look capable for more than a half.

i honestly can't think of any year that i watched the Eagles where you literally saw so much bad football. they have had moments, but i can't think of one game where they played at least competent for all 4 quarters

 

[JaxBill]

Marcus Smith should get 1st team reps this Sunday.

Yes, so everyone can see how ridiculous it is for him to open his mouth.

 

[Bankerguy]

I like goff

me too. Are you saying there's a legitimate chance we get him with our pick likely around #11? I like Mariota last year too.

Dude threw 6 TD yesterday....I like him too. Too bad we aren't picking #1.

Who knows how everyone feels. Stranger things have happened though but the whole "a guy isn't going at this pick" is very premature IMO

Usually this early that's the case because they are rated lower then shoot up because teams need QB'S.

Yes, although let's look at the teams likely drafting ahead of us and their QB needs:

Tennessee - No

Cleveland - Maybe. Really have no idea what they will do.

Cowboys - No

49ers - Definite Possibility

Charges - No

Ravens - No

Dolphins - Doubt it

Jags - No

Giants - No

Bucs - No

Lions - No

Bears - Doubt it

Saints - Doubt it

So I think that only the 49ers are a lock to be in the QB market. Might depend on exactly where the draft spot is.

Cowboys are definitely in play and probably Chargers.

Hopefully boyz trade for manziel. That will take them out of play

Better not.

 

[JuniorNB]

Saints as well will be in QB market

But with the worst defense in the league, I doubt they'll go QB in the first. Not with Brees still there.

 

[Mighty Mice]

We need to lose. I don't know that we can. The players will be fired up to show Chip was a joke.

Only hope is that we try to implement a new offense this week and guys have trouble adapting to it.

if this means all of a sudden we don't have 5 drops or 5 bad penalties that would certainly be telling. but just cause Chip is out doesn't mean Peters will be healthy or all of a sudden our offense will look capable for more than a half.

i honestly can't think of any year that i watched the Eagles where you literally saw so much bad football. they have had moments, but i can't think of one game where they played at least competent for all 4 quarters

So true. Not one 'complete game' all year. Maddening.

 

[GoBirds]

We need to lose. I don't know that we can. The players will be fired up to show Chip was a joke.

Only hope is that we try to implement a new offense this week and guys have trouble adapting to it.

if this means all of a sudden we don't have 5 drops or 5 bad penalties that would certainly be telling. but just cause Chip is out doesn't mean Peters will be healthy or all of a sudden our offense will look capable for more than a half.

i honestly can't think of any year that i watched the Eagles where you literally saw so much bad football. they have had moments, but i can't think of one game where they played at least competent for all 4 quarters

So true. Not one 'complete game' all year. Maddening.

When's the last season we didn't win 1 game easily?

 

[JuniorNB]

We need to lose. I don't know that we can. The players will be fired up to show Chip was a joke.

Only hope is that we try to implement a new offense this week and guys have trouble adapting to it.

if this means all of a sudden we don't have 5 drops or 5 bad penalties that would certainly be telling. but just cause Chip is out doesn't mean Peters will be healthy or all of a sudden our offense will look capable for more than a half.

i honestly can't think of any year that i watched the Eagles where you literally saw so much bad football. they have had moments, but i can't think of one game where they played at least competent for all 4 quarters

So true. Not one 'complete game' all year. Maddening.

possible exception being the Giants game. Although they drove right down the field to start.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I like goff

me too. Are you saying there's a legitimate chance we get him with our pick likely around #11? I like Mariota last year too.

Dude threw 6 TD yesterday....I like him too. Too bad we aren't picking #1.

Who knows how everyone feels. Stranger things have happened though but the whole "a guy isn't going at this pick" is very premature IMO

Usually this early that's the case because they are rated lower then shoot up because teams need QB'S.

Yes, although let's look at the teams likely drafting ahead of us and their QB needs:

Tennessee - No

Cleveland - Maybe. Really have no idea what they will do.

Cowboys - No

49ers - Definite Possibility

Charges - No

Ravens - No

Dolphins - Doubt it

Jags - No

Giants - No

Bucs - No

Lions - No

Bears - Doubt it

Saints - Doubt it

So I think that only the 49ers are a lock to be in the QB market. Might depend on exactly where the draft spot is.

Cowboys are definitely in play and probably Chargers.

Hopefully boyz trade for manziel. That will take them out of play

Better not.

Do you think that there is any chance that they will draft a qb first round. I feel like they will ride room until the bitter end.

Also, really don't think that the Chargers will move away from rivers. He is still good and that team had so many injuries this year.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

We need to lose. I don't know that we can. The players will be fired up to show Chip was a joke.

Only hope is that we try to implement a new offense this week and guys have trouble adapting to it.

if this means all of a sudden we don't have 5 drops or 5 bad penalties that would certainly be telling. but just cause Chip is out doesn't mean Peters will be healthy or all of a sudden our offense will look capable for more than a half.

i honestly can't think of any year that i watched the Eagles where you literally saw so much bad football. they have had moments, but i can't think of one game where they played at least competent for all 4 quarters

So true. Not one 'complete game' all year. Maddening.

possible exception being the Giants game. Although they drove right down the field to start.

Saints game was pretty good from what I recall. Certainly an easy win, if nothing else.

 

[need2know]

Every game we started off well we lost if I recall. But we lost alot. They kind of blend together to me

 

[Billy Bats]

I don't think chip is an nfl coach. And that not just ca use he blew up our team and got worse every year. I want to see him go to another nfl team so everyone can know for sure. But I wouldn't be in a rush to hire him. If I was an nfl owner, he would not be high on my list as a head coach. Maybe oc

That likely would not work. I could see the D coordinator trying to wring his neck on the sidelines in week 2.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

I'm still a bit shocked that this happened. There is so little to look forward with any of the philly teams. I'm sure most disagree but I'd say that the Eagles now have the bleakest outlook. I'm most disappointed because I think Chip was an excellent coach and leader who is getting crucified because he does things differently. I have a few questions for the philly fans that I'd like you to answer honestly. I'm sharing my answers, which I believe will represent the minority opinion but I'm open to being convinced that I'm wrong.

1. Do you think a good coach must be likable?

A lot gets made about how Chip fails to relate to his players. In my experience, the best coaches/teachers that I've had were hard asses. And they were especially tough when we underachieved. They weren't there to make us feel good about ourselves they were there to bring out the best in us. This might be a weak analogy as the NFL is obviously different but I just can't understand why anyone expects Chip to be joking around and asking how's the family when they have 6 days to prepare for the next opponent.

2. Do you think the sport science thing has merit?

In the same vain as the first question, players complained that he pushed them too hard and restricted their diet and sleep. They practiced too much and too long. Chip showed them that they can gain an edge if they exercise discipline in their diets and habits. It wasn't supposed to be easy or fun and he certainly knew that it wouldn't make him any allies. But he believed it would make them better, and I can't fathom an argument that he is wrong here. I'm really shocked that he didn't get more credit for trying this, particularly with the backdrop of other players using PEDs to gain that edge without any hard work.

3. Did you believe that Chip was in it for the long haul?

I think he was and it was quite evident by the way he tried to build the team. He spoke of culture and did everything in his power to bring guys in that cared about football and not the things that football afforded them. This leads me to believe that he's trying to build a dynasty and not trying to win in that year with an eye toward his next move. His comments about wanting to stay in the NFL reinforce this opinion. The constant questions from the media about this subject had to make it difficult for him to do his job.

4. Do you think the tempo was a net positive?

I'll concede that it appeared to lose effectiveness with each passing year, but I still loved the possibility (and entertainment value) that the tempo brought to the game. I loved seeing defenses scramble to match up. I loved that they could run the ball at any point in the game (even trailing or in hurry up). While I like Bradford and saw a lot of potential there, I was anxious to see this offense with a smart, accurate, and mobile QB which I figured Chip would eventually find.

I never bought that the tempo had a huge effect on our defense. I saw our defense get a little better each year under Chip. It was never good enough, in my opinion, because of Billy Davis' scheme. I found the quick three and outs maddening, but mostly because they were the result of poor play calling or poor execution. I'm interested if anyone has any data on the length of consecutive drives. If the offense had an 7+ play drive, did that make the defense less likely to give up points on the following drive?

5. Did your opinion of Lurie improve after he fired Chip?

Maybe firing Chip will prove to be the right decision. But that means hiring him in the first place was the wrong decision. And giving him complete control was an even worse decision. I should give him credit for admitting a mistake and correcting it. But I fear that Lurie has now identified a window wherein he expects success. Continuity is essential in the NFL. A new coach needs time to build his team the way he wants. Philly media has always expected year n+1 to be a little better than year n, and considered anything short of that a failure. If they go 3-13 next year no one will complain. Improve to 8-8 the next year, great! But follow it up with 7-9 and the pressure is on.

There are not a lot of people out there with nice things to say about Chip so I thought I'd chime in. If he never coaches again in the NFL I think he contributed plenty in his short time. I fear though, that he'll be back with a new team and he'll find success while the Eagles head in the direction of the 76ers and Phils.

There were things I didn't like, but I'll leave those out for now because everyone else has hit most of those points pretty thoroughly.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I work with a guy who used to be a sportswriter and still does some Eagles-related freelancing and podcasting. He said:

NOBODY liked Chip. Not the players, not the others in the front office, not the staff. He was arrogant and antisocial and alienated himself from everybody. An organization can handle that when winning, but not when losing. It wasn't just that he couldn't relate to the players as men, he couldn't relate to ANYBODY as men (or women).

Therefore, when things went to hell this year and the players completely tuned out, Lurie felt he had to act, because they weren't ever going to tune back in.

i hear a lot of this, and would love to hear some specifics. Was it he would talk #### on everyone, or he just wasn't a social guy going out and getting beers with people or what? I wonder if he has an Axis I diagnosis like Aspergers or something

I think it was mainly that he had no interest in bonding with anyone on a personal level, he had no interest in taking input from anyone else, he had no interest in seeing any issue from anyone else's point of view, and he treated everyone like crap. If you do all of that, you make a lot of enemies if you're not winning.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I think the problem was that Chip Kelly doesn't have a mustache. Look at Andy Reid. The Eagles are missing Andy Reid right about now.

Agree, this is why you dont want a proven coach to get the pink slip just because he doesnt win you a title. Sometimes you just run into a team that is better than you. That has been the case, the Eagles always were one of the better teams, but because he never won a SB out he goes. SBs are hard to win but at least Andy always gave them a shot at it.

That's not why he was fired. Please stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

 

[babydemon90]

I think the problem was that Chip Kelly doesn't have a mustache. Look at Andy Reid. The Eagles are missing Andy Reid right about now.

Agree, this is why you dont want a proven coach to get the pink slip just because he doesnt win you a title. Sometimes you just run into a team that is better than you. That has been the case, the Eagles always were one of the better teams, but because he never won a SB out he goes. SBs are hard to win but at least Andy always gave them a shot at it.

That's not why he was fired. Please stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

Yea - I don't think the record is what got him fired. If he rebuilt, had the record he had, but people were on board and we showed signs of improving - he'd be fine. It's that we didn't show signs of improving, none of his changes showed promise, and so many players did not buy into what he was doing.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Bob Brookover putting out an article that echoes my thoughts... would we really be shocked to see Pat Shurmur take the reigns? He was with PHI for 9 years under Reid IIRC, and now 3 more under Chip. He has head coaching experience. He already has rapport with the players. When he left, it was to become OC in STL...and they drafted Bradford.

Thinking Lurie goes with the Shurmur/Bradford duo in 2016 isn't out of the question at all.

Eagles' Pat Shurmur: Right man to succeed Chip Kelly:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/363876391.html#GEArwudZ0hxoys2g.99?&betaPreview=redesign

 

[dirtyjay]

We need to lose. I don't know that we can. The players will be fired up to show Chip was a joke.

Only hope is that we try to implement a new offense this week and guys have trouble adapting to it.

Shouldnt be a problem, I am a little surprised that you are not sure they can lose after they have done a good job of it all year.

I do want to see them get the better pick to grab a worthy OLineman.

 

[dirtyjay]

I think the problem was that Chip Kelly doesn't have a mustache. Look at Andy Reid. The Eagles are missing Andy Reid right about now.

Agree, this is why you dont want a proven coach to get the pink slip just because he doesnt win you a title. Sometimes you just run into a team that is better than you. That has been the case, the Eagles always were one of the better teams, but because he never won a SB out he goes. SBs are hard to win but at least Andy always gave them a shot at it.

That's not why he was fired. Please stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

Yea - I don't think the record is what got him fired. If he rebuilt, had the record he had, but people were on board and we showed signs of improving - he'd be fine. It's that we didn't show signs of improving, none of his changes showed promise, and so many players did not buy into what he was doing.

You are right, records and outcomes are not why coaches get fired. He had a bad season and Eagles and their fans over reacted and wanted a change. His 6 NFC east crowns, 9 playoff appearances, 4 NFC championships and 1 SB appearance was not enough for the players to buy in?

Now he is doing it again in KC. Eagles fans got high expectations because of this man then wanted him gone after only his 2nd losing season since his first in the league as a HC. 14 Seasons only 3 losing seasons. Chip got to the playoffs with Andys players and failed when he had his own. Andy is a great coach and should still be in Philly if not for the quick revolt to a bad season.

 

[GoBirds]

I think the problem was that Chip Kelly doesn't have a mustache. Look at Andy Reid. The Eagles are missing Andy Reid right about now.

Agree, this is why you dont want a proven coach to get the pink slip just because he doesnt win you a title. Sometimes you just run into a team that is better than you. That has been the case, the Eagles always were one of the better teams, but because he never won a SB out he goes. SBs are hard to win but at least Andy always gave them a shot at it.

That's not why he was fired. Please stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

Yea - I don't think the record is what got him fired. If he rebuilt, had the record he had, but people were on board and we showed signs of improving - he'd be fine. It's that we didn't show signs of improving, none of his changes showed promise, and so many players did not buy into what he was doing.

You are right, records and outcomes are not why coaches get fired. He had a bad season and Eagles and their fans over reacted and wanted a change. His 6 NFC east crowns, 9 playoff appearances, 4 NFC championships and 1 SB appearance was not enough for the players to buy in?

Now he is doing it again in KC. Eagles fans got high expectations because of this man then wanted him gone after only his 2nd losing season since his first in the league as a HC. 14 Seasons only 3 losing seasons. Chip got to the playoffs with Andys players and failed when he had his own. Andy is a great coach and should still be in Philly if not for the quick revolt to a bad season.

He had jerks like LeSean and Desean on his team that quit on him and mailed it in.

 

[need2know]

I think the problem was that Chip Kelly doesn't have a mustache. Look at Andy Reid. The Eagles are missing Andy Reid right about now.

Agree, this is why you dont want a proven coach to get the pink slip just because he doesnt win you a title. Sometimes you just run into a team that is better than you. That has been the case, the Eagles always were one of the better teams, but because he never won a SB out he goes. SBs are hard to win but at least Andy always gave them a shot at it.

That's not why he was fired. Please stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

Yea - I don't think the record is what got him fired. If he rebuilt, had the record he had, but people were on board and we showed signs of improving - he'd be fine. It's that we didn't show signs of improving, none of his changes showed promise, and so many players did not buy into what he was doing.

You are right, records and outcomes are not why coaches get fired. He had a bad season and Eagles and their fans over reacted and wanted a change. His 6 NFC east crowns, 9 playoff appearances, 4 NFC championships and 1 SB appearance was not enough for the players to buy in?

Now he is doing it again in KC. Eagles fans got high expectations because of this man then wanted him gone after only his 2nd losing season since his first in the league as a HC. 14 Seasons only 3 losing seasons. Chip got to the playoffs with Andys players and failed when he had his own. Andy is a great coach and should still be in Philly if not for the quick revolt to a bad season.

He had jerks like LeSean and Desean on his team that quit on him and mailed it in.

It was more than one season. Andys last few years stunk. We both needed change. End of story

 

[dirtyjay]

I think the problem was that Chip Kelly doesn't have a mustache. Look at Andy Reid. The Eagles are missing Andy Reid right about now.

Agree, this is why you dont want a proven coach to get the pink slip just because he doesnt win you a title. Sometimes you just run into a team that is better than you. That has been the case, the Eagles always were one of the better teams, but because he never won a SB out he goes. SBs are hard to win but at least Andy always gave them a shot at it.

That's not why he was fired. Please stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

Yea - I don't think the record is what got him fired. If he rebuilt, had the record he had, but people were on board and we showed signs of improving - he'd be fine. It's that we didn't show signs of improving, none of his changes showed promise, and so many players did not buy into what he was doing.

You are right, records and outcomes are not why coaches get fired. He had a bad season and Eagles and their fans over reacted and wanted a change. His 6 NFC east crowns, 9 playoff appearances, 4 NFC championships and 1 SB appearance was not enough for the players to buy in?

Now he is doing it again in KC. Eagles fans got high expectations because of this man then wanted him gone after only his 2nd losing season since his first in the league as a HC. 14 Seasons only 3 losing seasons. Chip got to the playoffs with Andys players and failed when he had his own. Andy is a great coach and should still be in Philly if not for the quick revolt to a bad season.

He had jerks like LeSean and Desean on his team that quit on him and mailed it in.

It was more than one season. Andys last few years stunk. We both needed change. End of story

Andys last "few" years.

10-6 Won NFC East

8-8 2nd in NFC East

4-12 Bad Season and gone.

Sorry, but list last few years did not stink and you needing change from a great coach is not end of story, it is only attempted justification. Which begs the question, why such high expectations for a team that has never won a title as if they are expected or easy to obtain?

Andy got you so close so many times and his reward from the team and fans was "Bye Andy."

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Reid took on too many roles after winning too many power struggles and spread himself too thin. Gameday blunders aside, he was an excellent coach in the first half of his tenure. His other FO duties and the personal problems of his sons distracted him and made him not particularly good at anything. This led to baffling decisions like hiring a DLine coach before a DC, promoting an OLine coach to DC, bringing in FAs based on name recognition instead of current skills/scheme fit, and making terrible picks in the 2010 and 2011 drafts. The 2011 team was also terrible but won its final 4 meaningless games to finish 8-8.

By the end of 2012, things had fallen apart and it was clear both sides needed a break from each other. He's succeeded in KC in large part because, like in his early years in Philly, he's been able to focus on coaching and nothing else.

 

[Biabreakable]

Saints as well will be in QB market

The Saints did draft Garrett Grayson last season.

 

[GoBirds]

Andy was checked out as well and understandably so after his son just died. No way things were turning around. Andy was the man but it was time for both sides.

 

[Insein]

I think the problem was that Chip Kelly doesn't have a mustache. Look at Andy Reid. The Eagles are missing Andy Reid right about now.

Agree, this is why you dont want a proven coach to get the pink slip just because he doesnt win you a title. Sometimes you just run into a team that is better than you. That has been the case, the Eagles always were one of the better teams, but because he never won a SB out he goes. SBs are hard to win but at least Andy always gave them a shot at it.

That's not why he was fired. Please stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

Yea - I don't think the record is what got him fired. If he rebuilt, had the record he had, but people were on board and we showed signs of improving - he'd be fine. It's that we didn't show signs of improving, none of his changes showed promise, and so many players did not buy into what he was doing.

You are right, records and outcomes are not why coaches get fired. He had a bad season and Eagles and their fans over reacted and wanted a change. His 6 NFC east crowns, 9 playoff appearances, 4 NFC championships and 1 SB appearance was not enough for the players to buy in?

Now he is doing it again in KC. Eagles fans got high expectations because of this man then wanted him gone after only his 2nd losing season since his first in the league as a HC. 14 Seasons only 3 losing seasons. Chip got to the playoffs with Andys players and failed when he had his own. Andy is a great coach and should still be in Philly if not for the quick revolt to a bad season.

He had jerks like LeSean and Desean on his team that quit on him and mailed it in.

It was more than one season. Andys last few years stunk. We both needed change. End of story

Andys last "few" years.

10-6 Won NFC East

8-8 2nd in NFC East

4-12 Bad Season and gone.

Sorry, but list last few years did not stink and you needing change from a great coach is not end of story, it is only attempted justification. Which begs the question, why such high expectations for a team that has never won a title as if they are expected or easy to obtain?

Andy got you so close so many times and his reward from the team and fans was "Bye Andy."

Eagles were 4-8 in 2011 before winning 4 meaningless games finishing 8-8. Ruined our draft position.

 

[JuniorNB]

I think the problem was that Chip Kelly doesn't have a mustache. Look at Andy Reid. The Eagles are missing Andy Reid right about now.

Agree, this is why you dont want a proven coach to get the pink slip just because he doesnt win you a title. Sometimes you just run into a team that is better than you. That has been the case, the Eagles always were one of the better teams, but because he never won a SB out he goes. SBs are hard to win but at least Andy always gave them a shot at it.

That's not why he was fired. Please stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

Yea - I don't think the record is what got him fired. If he rebuilt, had the record he had, but people were on board and we showed signs of improving - he'd be fine. It's that we didn't show signs of improving, none of his changes showed promise, and so many players did not buy into what he was doing.

You are right, records and outcomes are not why coaches get fired. He had a bad season and Eagles and their fans over reacted and wanted a change. His 6 NFC east crowns, 9 playoff appearances, 4 NFC championships and 1 SB appearance was not enough for the players to buy in?

Now he is doing it again in KC. Eagles fans got high expectations because of this man then wanted him gone after only his 2nd losing season since his first in the league as a HC. 14 Seasons only 3 losing seasons. Chip got to the playoffs with Andys players and failed when he had his own. Andy is a great coach and should still be in Philly if not for the quick revolt to a bad season.

He had jerks like LeSean and Desean on his team that quit on him and mailed it in.

It was more than one season. Andys last few years stunk. We both needed change. End of story

Andys last "few" years.

10-6 Won NFC East

8-8 2nd in NFC East

4-12 Bad Season and gone.

Sorry, but list last few years did not stink and you needing change from a great coach is not end of story, it is only attempted justification. Which begs the question, why such high expectations for a team that has never won a title as if they are expected or easy to obtain?

Andy got you so close so many times and his reward from the team and fans was "Bye Andy."

Eagles were 4-8 in 2011 before winning 4 meaningless games finishing 8-8. Ruined our draft position.

Correct. That 8-8 season was a disaster. 4 wins at the end of the year after we were already eliminated. Reid was kept on one year too many. A mistake Lurie wanted to avoid with Kelly.

 

[Amused to Death]

I love it when outsiders drop in to show us they know nothing about the Eagles. Coaches were fighting on sidelines, players quit and so did Andy. The team declined 4 or 5 straight seasons until they bottomed in '12.

Enough with Reid, move on please. AND STOP ENGAGING THE TROLLS!

 

[JuniorNB]

I love it when outsiders drop in to show us they know nothing about the Eagles. Coaches were fighting on sidelines, players quit and so did Andy. The team declined 4 or 5 straight seasons until they bottomed in '12.

Enough with Reid, move on please. AND STOP ENGAGING THE TROLLS!

dirtyjay is consistent. He knows nothing about all the teams. Not only the worst troll on the board, also the least knowledgeable.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Lurie is an interesting cat. Seems like a really good guy and passionate about this team. That being said, in my time watching Philadelphia, his decisions towards who controls the direction of the team have been curious. So what do we learn from the past?

Lurie's about to hire a head coach for the 4th time since buying the club in 1994. The team was 7-9 that season.

1995: Ray Rhodes - Gets an experienced, defensive minded guy here, but never a head coach anywhere else. Rhodes was the DC in SF when they won the SB in 1994. Goes 10-6 in 1995, wins NFL Coach of the Year. 1996 starts 7-2, finished 10-6. One and done. 1997 6-9-1. 1998 3-13. Done. They lost their last 16 road games. It was widely stated the team tuned Rhodes out in 1997...but Lurie gave him 1998 anyways, and it was a complete disaster.

1999: Andy Reid - QB coach from GB with no head coaching experience at any level. Hadn't even been an OC/DC before the hire. Lurie was widely criticized for the hire. He goes 5-11 his first year, then goes on the best 5 game streak of any Eagles coach of all time, going 11-5 in 2000 and making the playoffs as a wild card. Then 4 straight division titles from 2001-2005, along with 4 straight NFCCG appearances (1 win). 2005 through 2010 saw 4 playoff appearances in a 6 year span. 2011 the team rallied to reach .500 and 2012 the squad won only 4 games. The atmosphere was stale, players openly quit on Reid during his last season. His 'trajectory' controlling all phases of the game seemed to be wearing on him. He suffered personal tragedies with his son. He put the OLine coach in as DC. The Wide-9 technique employed under DLine coach Jim Washburn was ridiculous. It was time, for both sides, to move on. A clean start has done wonders for Reid. He's a great coach, best Philly ever had IMO. But, he needed a fresh start to have success, and I don't think he would have been nearly as good as he is in KC had he stayed here.

2012: Chip Kelly - Another hire of a guy who had never been an NFL head coach before, and the first hire of a coach with zero NFL experience. An offensive-minded hire for the second time in a row. First season sets franchise records offensively, wins the division, and makes the playoffs (one and done). Follows up with a 10-6 record, but no playoffs. Wins a power struggle and gets complete control heading into the 2014 season, and overhauls the roster. The team has a very subpart year. His decisions are questioned, but also the effectiveness of his up tempo style and the wear it puts on the players (especially defensively), his leadership and communication. Lurie decides the match isn't a good one.

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3 hires. 0 previous NFL head coaching experience from of any of them. Not afraid to hire younger guys and give them their first shot: Rhodes was 44, Reid was 41, Kelly was 49.

He was very patient IMO with Rhodes and Reid, but quick to move from Kelly. Has he changed?

Very curious to see if we get another young guy with no previous experience, or he tries something different and gets an experienced hand/retread.

 

[JuniorNB]

Lurie is an interesting cat. Seems like a really good guy and passionate about this team. That being said, in my time watching Philadelphia, his decisions towards who controls the direction of the team have been curious. So what do we learn from the past?

Lurie's about to hire a head coach for the 4th time since buying the club in 1994. The team was 7-9 that season.

1995: Ray Rhodes - Gets an experienced, defensive minded guy here, but never a head coach anywhere else. Rhodes was the DC in SF when they won the SB in 1994. Goes 10-6 in 1995, wins NFL Coach of the Year. 1996 starts 7-2, finished 10-6. One and done. 1997 6-9-1. 1998 3-13. Done. They lost their last 16 road games. It was widely stated the team tuned Rhodes out in 1997...but Lurie gave him 1998 anyways, and it was a complete disaster.

1999: Andy Reid - QB coach from GB with no head coaching experience at any level. Hadn't even been an OC/DC before the hire. Lurie was widely criticized for the hire. He goes 5-11 his first year, then goes on the best 5 game streak of any Eagles coach of all time, going 11-5 in 2000 and making the playoffs as a wild card. Then 4 straight division titles from 2001-2005, along with 4 straight NFCCG appearances (1 win). 2005 through 2010 saw 4 playoff appearances in a 6 year span. 2011 the team rallied to reach .500 and 2012 the squad won only 4 games. The atmosphere was stale, players openly quit on Reid during his last season. His 'trajectory' controlling all phases of the game seemed to be wearing on him. He suffered personal tragedies with his son. He put the OLine coach in as DC. The Wide-9 technique employed under DLine coach Jim Washburn was ridiculous. It was time, for both sides, to move on. A clean start has done wonders for Reid. He's a great coach, best Philly ever had IMO. But, he needed a fresh start to have success, and I don't think he would have been nearly as good as he is in KC had he stayed here.

2012: Chip Kelly - Another hire of a guy who had never been an NFL head coach before, and the first hire of a coach with zero NFL experience. An offensive-minded hire for the second time in a row. First season sets franchise records offensively, wins the division, and makes the playoffs (one and done). Follows up with a 10-6 record, but no playoffs. Wins a power struggle and gets complete control heading into the 2014 season, and overhauls the roster. The team has a very subpart year. His decisions are questioned, but also the effectiveness of his up tempo style and the wear it puts on the players (especially defensively), his leadership and communication. Lurie decides the match isn't a good one.

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3 hires. 0 previous NFL head coaching experience from of any of them. Not afraid to hire younger guys and give them their first shot: Rhodes was 44, Reid was 41, Kelly was 49.

He was very patient IMO with Rhodes and Reid, but quick to move from Kelly. Has he changed?

Very curious to see if we get another young guy with no previous experience, or he tries something different and gets an experienced hand/retread.

as I hear more, it seems he probably had so many players complaining about his personality and refusal to communicate with anyone that he knew he couldn't keep this guy around even one more year.

 

[dirtyjay]

I love it when outsiders drop in to show us they know nothing about the Eagles. Coaches were fighting on sidelines, players quit and so did Andy. The team declined 4 or 5 straight seasons until they bottomed in '12.

Enough with Reid, move on please. AND STOP ENGAGING THE TROLLS!

I love it when some Eagles fans here think they know everything just because they are Eagles fans and that no one else can discuss Eagles unless you are a super fan. Just because we say things you do not like at Eagles fans does not make some trolls, it makes them honest people.

Lots of denial as an Eagle fan these days, just admit some of you were wrong about Andy and Chip and quite frankly react unreasonable on decisions like these and all is settled. Looks like a lot of sour grapes from some fans in this thread. Rough seasons do that.

 

[JuniorNB]

Andy Reid was 22-26 in his last three seasons while Chip Kelly was 26-21, yet dirtyjay is still standing on a mountain top screaming what a mistake it was to fire Reid. ROFL. You can't make this stuff up.

 

[Amused to Death]

Andy Reid was 22-26 in his last three seasons while Chip Kelly was 26-21, yet dirtyjay is still standing on a mountain top screaming what a mistake it was to fire Reid. ROFL. You can't make this stuff up.

People who are saying it was a mistake to fire Reid are just showing their ignorance. Its understandable if you don't follow the team and only listen to the national media. Like I said, under Reid the team declined 4 straight seasons with no apparent plan to turn it around. When coaches are physically fighting each other on the sidelines, the HC has lost the team.

14 years without winning a SB and 4 straight without a playoff win. People who were paying attention knew it was time for a change. Oh, and Andy still hasn't won a playoff game without Jim Johnson. Maybe this will be his year.

 

[Sabertooth]

Another 3-4 years of the Eagles being, well, the Eagles.

I love it, no wonder this organization has no rings.

I will be surprised if we are the only NFC East team looking for a new head coach. I don't really see Coughlin making it another year.

Garrett had one of the worst coaching years in NFL history. Worst record for a,team with that much talent that I can remember. Lost his QB (as many teams do) and couldn't figure out how to win a game. The Steelers, Colts, Bengals, Texans, Broncos...all lost their quarterbacks at some point and found a way to win with the backup. Hell, the Texans won last week with the very QB that Garrett couldn't.

Garrett has know Jerry for 20+ years. I don't think he's going anywhere.

 

[Amused to Death]

Andy Reid was 22-26 in his last three seasons while Chip Kelly was 26-21, yet dirtyjay is still standing on a mountain top screaming what a mistake it was to fire Reid. ROFL. You can't make this stuff up.

Four years under Rich Kotite: 36 wins, 1-1 in the playoffs

Reid's last 4 years: 33 wins, 0-2 in the playoffs

 

[dirtyjay]

Andy Reid was 22-26 in his last three seasons while Chip Kelly was 26-21, yet dirtyjay is still standing on a mountain top screaming what a mistake it was to fire Reid. ROFL. You can't make this stuff up.

People who are saying it was a mistake to fire Reid are just showing their ignorance. Its understandable if you don't follow the team and only listen to the national media. Like I said, under Reid the team declined 4 straight seasons with no apparent plan to turn it around. When coaches are physically fighting each other on the sidelines, the HC has lost the team.

14 years without winning a SB and 4 straight without a playoff win. People who were paying attention knew it was time for a change. Oh, and Andy still hasn't won a playoff game without Jim Johnson. Maybe this will be his year.

Why do Eagles fans think of Super Bowls as if it is a given? 14 years without a Super Bowl? Team has never won a Super Bowl but you blame the guy who kept getting you to the NFC championship? You guys acting like getting rid of Andy was the right choice is why you are at where you are at.

Meanwhile Andy is in the playoffs, AGAIN. But good decision getting rid of him. But I'm not the biggest Eagles fan so I cant comment.

Grass isnt always greener, as the Eagles are finding out. Maybe the fan base doesnt deserve a Super Bowl.

 

[Amused to Death]

Andy Reid was 22-26 in his last three seasons while Chip Kelly was 26-21, yet dirtyjay is still standing on a mountain top screaming what a mistake it was to fire Reid. ROFL. You can't make this stuff up.

People who are saying it was a mistake to fire Reid are just showing their ignorance. Its understandable if you don't follow the team and only listen to the national media. Like I said, under Reid the team declined 4 straight seasons with no apparent plan to turn it around. When coaches are physically fighting each other on the sidelines, the HC has lost the team.

14 years without winning a SB and 4 straight without a playoff win. People who were paying attention knew it was time for a change. Oh, and Andy still hasn't won a playoff game without Jim Johnson. Maybe this will be his year.

Why do Eagles fans think of Super Bowls as if it is a given? 14 years without a Super Bowl? Team has never won a Super Bowl but you blame the guy who kept getting you to the NFC championship? You guys acting like getting rid of Andy was the right choice is why you are at where you are at.

Meanwhile Andy is in the playoffs, AGAIN. But good decision getting rid of him. But I'm not the biggest Eagles fan so I cant comment.

Maybe the fan base doesnt deserve a Super Bowl.

How many coaches are given 14 years without winning a championship? And if you were paying attention (and I'm sure you weren't) the last couple of seasons were a disaster. Not just ONE bad season. Playoffs are nice - but after 14 years you have to be able to get over the hump. Super Bowls are NOT a given, but it certainly is the goal.

Good luck to Andy in the playoffs.

 

[dirtyjay]

Andy Reid was 22-26 in his last three seasons while Chip Kelly was 26-21, yet dirtyjay is still standing on a mountain top screaming what a mistake it was to fire Reid. ROFL. You can't make this stuff up.

People who are saying it was a mistake to fire Reid are just showing their ignorance. Its understandable if you don't follow the team and only listen to the national media. Like I said, under Reid the team declined 4 straight seasons with no apparent plan to turn it around. When coaches are physically fighting each other on the sidelines, the HC has lost the team.

14 years without winning a SB and 4 straight without a playoff win. People who were paying attention knew it was time for a change. Oh, and Andy still hasn't won a playoff game without Jim Johnson. Maybe this will be his year.

Why do Eagles fans think of Super Bowls as if it is a given? 14 years without a Super Bowl? Team has never won a Super Bowl but you blame the guy who kept getting you to the NFC championship? You guys acting like getting rid of Andy was the right choice is why you are at where you are at.

Meanwhile Andy is in the playoffs, AGAIN. But good decision getting rid of him. But I'm not the biggest Eagles fan so I cant comment.

Maybe the fan base doesnt deserve a Super Bowl.

How many coaches are given 14 years without winning a championship? And if you were paying attention (and I'm sure you weren't) the last couple of seasons were a disaster. Not just ONE bad season. Playoffs are nice - but after 14 years you have to be able to get over the hump. Super Bowls are NOT a given, but it certainly is the goal.

Good luck to Andy in the playoffs.

So you think his last few season were going to be the norm and not the rep that he has he earned all the years before that? Clearly it wasnt because he went to a team that was doing bad and turned them around. I just dont know why you guys cant admit the failure it was to let Andy go.

 

[Amused to Death]

So you think his last few season were going to be the norm and not the rep that he has he earned all the years before that? Clearly it wasnt because he went to a team that was doing bad and turned them around. I just dont know why you guys cant admit the failure it was to let Andy go.

It was a mistake to let Andy go.

I just can't do it. Oh, and the fans did not fire Reid - the owner did. Yes, after 14 years and 4 of steady decline it was time. All teams and coaches reach that point. Feel free to disagree.

 

[need2know]

All being said, I'm happy for reid. I also don't miss him

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Lurie is an interesting cat. Seems like a really good guy and passionate about this team. That being said, in my time watching Philadelphia, his decisions towards who controls the direction of the team have been curious. So what do we learn from the past?

Lurie's about to hire a head coach for the 4th time since buying the club in 1994. The team was 7-9 that season.

1995: Ray Rhodes - Gets an experienced, defensive minded guy here, but never a head coach anywhere else. Rhodes was the DC in SF when they won the SB in 1994. Goes 10-6 in 1995, wins NFL Coach of the Year. 1996 starts 7-2, finished 10-6. One and done. 1997 6-9-1. 1998 3-13. Done. They lost their last 16 road games. It was widely stated the team tuned Rhodes out in 1997...but Lurie gave him 1998 anyways, and it was a complete disaster.

1999: Andy Reid - QB coach from GB with no head coaching experience at any level. Hadn't even been an OC/DC before the hire. Lurie was widely criticized for the hire. He goes 5-11 his first year, then goes on the best 5 game streak of any Eagles coach of all time, going 11-5 in 2000 and making the playoffs as a wild card. Then 4 straight division titles from 2001-2005, along with 4 straight NFCCG appearances (1 win). 2005 through 2010 saw 4 playoff appearances in a 6 year span. 2011 the team rallied to reach .500 and 2012 the squad won only 4 games. The atmosphere was stale, players openly quit on Reid during his last season. His 'trajectory' controlling all phases of the game seemed to be wearing on him. He suffered personal tragedies with his son. He put the OLine coach in as DC. The Wide-9 technique employed under DLine coach Jim Washburn was ridiculous. It was time, for both sides, to move on. A clean start has done wonders for Reid. He's a great coach, best Philly ever had IMO. But, he needed a fresh start to have success, and I don't think he would have been nearly as good as he is in KC had he stayed here.

2012: Chip Kelly - Another hire of a guy who had never been an NFL head coach before, and the first hire of a coach with zero NFL experience. An offensive-minded hire for the second time in a row. First season sets franchise records offensively, wins the division, and makes the playoffs (one and done). Follows up with a 10-6 record, but no playoffs. Wins a power struggle and gets complete control heading into the 2014 season, and overhauls the roster. The team has a very subpart year. His decisions are questioned, but also the effectiveness of his up tempo style and the wear it puts on the players (especially defensively), his leadership and communication. Lurie decides the match isn't a good one.

------

3 hires. 0 previous NFL head coaching experience from of any of them. Not afraid to hire younger guys and give them their first shot: Rhodes was 44, Reid was 41, Kelly was 49.

He was very patient IMO with Rhodes and Reid, but quick to move from Kelly. Has he changed?

Very curious to see if we get another young guy with no previous experience, or he tries something different and gets an experienced hand/retread.

I guess you could say he learned from his mistakes. Rhodes and Reid both should have been gone a year or maybe even 2 before they were. Combine that with losing the players and it wasn't hard for Lurie IMO. It had to be done.