Mathews obviously outperformed his #42 selection, but Huff was a 3rd rounder.
Can't really compare a guy we can get at #20 in a rich WR draft, to a guy we drafted at #86.
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*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (2 Viewers)
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Can't really compare a guy we can get at #20 in a rich WR draft, to a guy we drafted at #86.
Look at last year's first round WRs:
Watkins
Evans
ODB
Cooks
Benjamin
The hit rate of WR's in first round seems pretty good. I think they could come close to Mathews' production (but like Insein says, we will be running the ball more so numbers may be lower but still have as big of an impact)
Billy Bats
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Understood, wasnt meant be a direct comparison but you get my point about rookies. Even some 1st rounders wont produce what Jordan did. And as Insein pointed out its going to be more run oriented this season.
That being said, let's say we do not move in the draft and go WR at #20.
Who are our targets? Seems like that is a little bit of a tough spot to be in. We will obviously miss out on White, Cooper, and Parker. Seems like if we do go WR at 20, it's going to be for DGB. How do we feel about this guy, and is he a "chip guy"?
Edit: Maybe reach a bit on Strong or Perriman? Or trade down for one of them?
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GoBirds
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I think that makes it even worse. If Collins goes before our pick as expected, then that would be a big reach going for another S at 20.
Would be very excited about Collins or Parker at 20. But if both are gone, I hope we trade back because we'll be reaching on WR/S at that point.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
There may not be a S available at #20 who is worthy of the pick. Better to sign a capable veteran so we don't have to reach.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
last year was a total outlier in this regard. I know that this is a good WR draft, and maybe things are changing a bit, but I wouldn't necessarily assume immediate impact
JetMaxx
Footballguy
I stand by this early call
Saint
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Filter the list for Pac-12 players and your hit rate will sky rocket.Melvin Gordon?
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I mean, Bowe has to better than Cooper, right? He seems like he could be an Anquan Boldin type.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Say no to bowe. Dude sucks
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
I kind of like Shorts a little among the FA WRs as a maybe not too expensive veteran. Not really interested in the others. Jennings could be interesting too but maybe too expensive.
mr roboto
Footballguy
It's hard to know given his noodle-armed QB in KC.
babydemon90
Footballguy
I think the Eagles agree - they wanted to resign Maclin at 9-10, just couldn't keep going - 11 mil is a lot for a WR. I still think we'll be fine at WR, I don't want to see WR in the first - I want to see a DB or OL. If there's a good talent that drops, maybe - but WR is not as much of a need as OL.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
They should have tagged him. I don't think Maclin would have wanted to double down on himself. They could have gotten him for 9.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Could we pry Andre Holmes away from Oakland? Lowest tender, no pick cost.
I see Darian Stewart signed with Denver, 2 years $4M. I think he was the last decent veteran S available, and he was a bargain. I hope Chip has something up his sleeve, I'd really hate to go into the draft needing to fill 3 starting positions. Makes a BPA strategy virtually impossible.
I see Darian Stewart signed with Denver, 2 years $4M. I think he was the last decent veteran S available, and he was a bargain. I hope Chip has something up his sleeve, I'd really hate to go into the draft needing to fill 3 starting positions. Makes a BPA strategy virtually impossible.
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ShaHBucks
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There is so much more in question to take that article like gospel. In Bradford's case, he's torn the same ACL twice. That's a problem. He's also had shoulder problems in college. Do these injuries effect his ability to throw or be mobile in the future? I understand if you liked his talent, but you have to have a discussion about how injuries took it's toll and how they will effect him in the future.
Lets dig up Denario Alexander. Bradford had a nice connection with him and tearing the same ligament a few is a non-issue in sports.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
An orthopedic doctor being interviewed on the radio said that there is a greater risk of tearing the same ACL following surgery to repair it. It's why Bradford and the Rams medical staff decided to slow the pace of his recovery this time compared to the last time he tore the ACL. I'm not concerned with him tearing the same ACL as opposed to Maclin who tore ACLs in both knees. Personally, I don't think he'll stay healthy but if Chip thinks he has a better skillset than Foles I'll trust his opinion and believe it's worth the risk. It's not like we were going to re-sign Foles, he couldn't wait to get out of town.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Josina Anderson just tweeted some coaches still aren't convinced Chip sticks with Sam Bradford (SB) and think he is bait to move-up to #2 pick in the draft to trade with Tennessee.
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Josina Anderson @JosinaAnderson · 1h 1 hour ago
Interesting to hear some coaches @kwhite8 pro day who said not convinced w/ Kelly/Bradford. They think SB still bait for Titans, not sys fit
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Josina Anderson @JosinaAnderson · 1h 1 hour ago
Interesting to hear some coaches @kwhite8 pro day who said not convinced w/ Kelly/Bradford. They think SB still bait for Titans, not sys fit
I like this one "hangliding in a hurricane" - sums it up pretty well
http://fishduck.com/2015/03/chip-kelly-update-hang-gliding-in-a-hurricane/
http://fishduck.com/2015/03/chip-kelly-update-hang-gliding-in-a-hurricane/
Here we go again...
ESPN's Josina Anderson passes along buzz from the Pro Day circuit that "some coaches" around the league are "not convinced" the Eagles will keep Sam Bradford.
There's belief in league circles that Bradford will be used as trade bait to get to the Titans at No. 2 overall, where Chip Kelly could select Marcus Mariota. Kelly's affinity for Mariota is well known. Kelly has shown he isn't scared to make bold, complicated football decisions. It's anyone's guess as to what he'll do. We also wouldn't rule out a trade up to No. 1 overall. Bradford's pocket-passer style would fit well in new Bucs OC Dirk Koetter's offense.
ESPN's Josina Anderson passes along buzz from the Pro Day circuit that "some coaches" around the league are "not convinced" the Eagles will keep Sam Bradford.
There's belief in league circles that Bradford will be used as trade bait to get to the Titans at No. 2 overall, where Chip Kelly could select Marcus Mariota. Kelly's affinity for Mariota is well known. Kelly has shown he isn't scared to make bold, complicated football decisions. It's anyone's guess as to what he'll do. We also wouldn't rule out a trade up to No. 1 overall. Bradford's pocket-passer style would fit well in new Bucs OC Dirk Koetter's offense.
I don't get the Bowe hate in here. Of course his numbers sucked last year, NONE of the WR's on his team caught a TD last year! He's a big bodied, big hands WR that can excel in the possession game and as a deep threat.
He is a good teammate, doesn't have much injury history, and likely wants to prove himself. He's averaged 975 yards per 16 game season over his career, most of which wasn't in one of the better offenses in the league. Would love to see what he could do on a "prove it deal" that would be fairly cheap/low risk. I think he could put up the 872 yards that Mathews put up last year.
Insein
Footballguy
His numbers have sucked for many years. He has no motivation. He got paid and basically quit. Yea no Bowe.
You have to look at his team though. Looking at stats, he has LEAD ALL KC WR's in Receptions, Yards, AND Touchdowns in EACH of the last 8 seasons. Every single year he has been in the league, he has been the top WR on his team in all 3 of those statistics.
(actually missed yards in 2009 by 18 yards, but still lead in receptions and tds--- and did it in only 11 games)
You can say all you want about how he had no WR competition, but not sure there's many players who go their entire career leading their team every year in those stats. The last few years his stats may have "sucked", but he's still been the top WR in those years with a terrible qb.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Very informative argument here.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Again, with awful QB's, he's still put up great numbers for 8 straight seasons. I'll take any WR who lead his team for 8 straight years in yards/tds/catches as my WR3. All day, any day. Hopefully he signs.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
He may have played with some poor qbs, but I would absolutely disputed the notion that he put up "great" numbers for 8 seasons.
Ash
Footballguy
I don't think jumping off the Chip Kelly bandwagon means you're no longer an Eagles fan. Just means you're no longer going to blindly accept that any decision Kelly makes is a good one. I'm in that neighbourhood myself.No you can't. You may think so, but once you're off the bandwagon there's no coming back. Stick with the team through good and bad or else you're just a fairweather fraud. Criticize all you want, but no jumping off - especially before they've even played a game.I can do whatever I wantI've maintained all along, whatever Chip does just has to result in wins on the field or at least show you have a plan and show improvement. I haven't waivered even though some moves are head scratchers. But none of the moves have resulted in losses ON THE FIELD.Theoretically you're a few players/ bounced fumbles from a playoff run. Was this team that bad that you had to do a massive overhaul?
You can let me off of the Chip Kelly Bandwagon here at the corner
You can jump off the bandwagon now, but don't look to come back if the plan starts to actually work.
Like I've said, I'm skeptical but I'm sticking around to see how it plays out.
If this reallocation of $$ leads to better results on the field, that's all I care about and I'll happily admit I was wrong.
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Bob Magaw
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Cross-posted from the trade thread:
"If Sam is healthy," Jaworski said, "this will be a great move by the Eagles."
"I had him as one of the highest-rated quarterbacks I've ever done," Arians said.
Jaworski, Arians high on Eagles' Bradford by Zach Berman
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150315_Jaworski__Arians_high_on_Eagles__Bradford.html
"If Sam is healthy," Jaworski said, "this will be a great move by the Eagles."
"I had him as one of the highest-rated quarterbacks I've ever done," Arians said.
Jaworski, Arians high on Eagles' Bradford by Zach Berman
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150315_Jaworski__Arians_high_on_Eagles__Bradford.html
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cstu
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cstu
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JetMaxx
Footballguy
That's a pretty poor post.
JaxBill
Footballguy
He's Maclin's size if Chip is looking for a bigger receiver. He also had his share of drops last year.
Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
Cecil Shorts looked like he lost his explosiveness to me last year, the injuries have really caught up to him.
Sounds like he's gonna go to Houston.
Still think we need one more WR via FA. Sure we will draft one too, but Pratt and Murphy likely won't make the team. How many WR's does Chip keep on final roster?
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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