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Its like the sun rising. Can't really stop it. All I can do is poke fun at them.was worried about you creating this topic and having the power to change the title to something like that
c'mon, you're the one sick to your stomach about too much Mariota talk, yet are inviting it in here with open arms with that title. Go back to the groceries!
And than there's this:
It just doesnt make sense to give up anything for Mariotta IMHO
If you look at other positions I'm sure you'll see similar results in the first round. The difference is a stud QB is worth 10x as much as a stud at any other position.
Thats about 60% chance you get a bust. And when QB's bust there's nothing else for them to do and they set your team back a few years. If Fletcher Cox were to bust he could still be used as a reserve DL etc.
These are just teams that took a qb at their spot for the most part (Rg3 aside). Look how bad some of these franchises have been for picking the wrong one.2 out of 20 can be considered Studs (Stafford is borderline). Do you have confidence that Mariota is in the stud area? So much so to not only take him at your spot but give up everything to get him higher? All for the off chance that he gets you a few more points per game than what we've been scoring? Which again doesn't equate to super bowl success historically.
Exactly! Also what stands out to me is how many of these teams took the first one at the position and got the guy they wanted and how average they are.
It's not just a few more points, it's to fully maximize the offense. That keeps the offense on the field longer which limits the amount the defense is on the field. Look at the 2014 Dallas Cowboys. They only scored a few more points per game but the offense limited the exposure the defense had and the Dallas defense was just a bad as the previous season but their suckiness was limited because of how good the Dallas offense was this season. Going to a Mariota-type QB means leaning more heavily on the run again which means more plays per possession, less TOs, less defensive exposure.
Geno Smith didn't play at Oregon in the exact same system for Chip Kelly, win a Heisman trophy, have the same mental and physical tools or have the same on the field production. Other than that, they're exactly the same.
Manziel won the Heisman. Kelly wanted him for his offense at Oregon. Still passed and he didn't have to give up anything for him. As efficient as Mariota may be, he won't be year one or even two. So where does that put us?
How many people played at Oregon for Chip? How many on our team? What % is that?
Different in the sense that Kelly had to change it to fit his QB who can't run so defenses don't have to respect the QB run option.
Huff plays WR...
He passed on him after Foles had an amazing year. After Foles' mediocre year, he may pull the trigger.
Locker was regarded as the #1 overall at one point.Mariota probably threw 80 more tds than Locker.
By having Chip, and handing him the reins to both the system and the GM'ing duties, you're already all-in as a franchise on the idea that breaking the traditional rules of success with regards to kind and quantity on offense is the way you've chosen to go.
And that puts them on the same talent level? I was curious, Mariota only threw 53 more tds than Jake, in half a season less. But good comparison.Locker was regarded as the #1 overall at one point.
You know because college offenses are comparable. I mean Colt McCoy, Colt Brennan, Chad Pennington and Ty Detmer all had more career college TDs than Mariota in about the same amount of games but yea college stats matter.And that puts them on the same talent level? I was curious, Mariota only threw 53 more tds than Jake, in half a season less. But good comparison.Locker was regarded as the #1 overall at one point.
Yea, well, um how bout those Phillies?!Insein said:You know because college offenses are comparable. I mean Colt McCoy, Colt Brennan, Chad Pennington and Ty Detmer all had more career college TDs than Mariota in about the same amount of games but yea college stats matter.Billy Bats said:And that puts them on the same talent level? I was curious, Mariota only threw 53 more tds than Jake, in half a season less. But good comparison.Insein said:Locker was regarded as the #1 overall at one point.Billy Bats said:Insein said:
You forgot the part where he wins ten straight Super Bowls during his career with the Eagles.
Wouldn't have a problem with that pick. Would like to see how he performs at the combine but he is exactly what the Eagles need.
Yea, increasingly it seems like Trae Waynes will go before pick 20 so Peters seem fine here.
Only concern is that the kid seems to be a knuckle head, when you're trying to choke one of your own coaches on the sideline then that is not good. So for Chip, that would be a major red flag. At this point though, what other choice do they have unless they draft CB in the 2nd or 3rd. Don't think it's a very deep draft at that position. I'd say if they don't have a choice of Collins or Waynes at 20, then you need to take the risk and get this guy.
Can you guys explain this to me... Foles was passing for 270 yards a game, was 5-2 as a starter (with the two losses being away games to the 49ers and Cards, games that were still close and winnable against good opponents) and while his TO ratio was more or less 1:1, I don't see the reason to throw in the towel on him.
You mean one of the best in recent memory?
I'm not chomping at the bit to replace him. I'd be okay with either, but would prefer they kept Foles and drafted defense. Most of the fans in this thread also want to keep Foles.
I dont recalll the article but its main point was that there were only 2 first round QB's thsi year and that would be one of the wekest in recent memory
Exactly, he knows Mariota better than anyone. He has the best insight on Mariota's chances in the league.Bigboy10182000 said:
He knew Josh Huff too
