*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (5 Viewers)

[Bigboy10182000]

@caplannfl: #Raiders agreed to a contract with Roy Helu, source said.

Cross him off the list.

Maybe it's just us and the Jags for Murray now?

 

[flapgreen]

Seems bad, but who knows. Maybe Chip saw enough of Bradford tape + Foles to be convinced he'd much rather have Bradford as his QB. Being honest - Foles wasn't great in 2014. Shoddy O-line, yes, but he wasn't great. I'm going to reserve judgement until the season, when we see the results of Chip's plan. It's all speculation at this point.

It's not speculation. Bradford has been around for years.

 

[Insein]

I don't even care anymore. I don't even know what happened today. Wake me when September ends.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I know it may be hard to swallow but this is Chips guy.

 

[Billy Bats]

I know it may be hard to swallow but this is Chips guy.

@marcsesslernfl: Feels like the Foles/Bradford trade is part of a three-team swap. We just don't know the third team yet.@mattlombardo97.5: Bill Polian on ESPN: "Keep an eye on Philadelphia, there is another shoe to drop. There is another shoe to drop"

I'm not blowing out my hope candle until the first offensive snap of week 1 and Bradford is under center. Until then i wont believe it.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@MattLombardo975: Have to say, never in a million years did I think when Chip Kelly was given total personnel control he'd use it to overpay for Sam Bradford.

@MattLombardo975: With that said, it's starting to feel like the Mariota talk was a media driven cacophony. But,there's still time for me to be wrong. #Eagles

 

[Billy Bats]

There's still time bigboy01003010101!!!

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@caplannfl: #Raiders agreed to a contract with Roy Helu, source said.

Cross him off the list.

Maybe it's just us and the Jags for Murray now?

@caplannfl: Helu agreed to a two-year deal worth just over $4 million with the #Raiders.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

There's still time bigboy01003010101!!!

I was there. I could see the vision people had and was actually happy we were about to get Mariota.

 

[Insein]

@caplannfl: #Raiders agreed to a contract with Roy Helu, source said.

Cross him off the list.

Maybe it's just us and the Jags for Murray now?

@caplannfl: Helu agreed to a two-year deal worth just over $4 million with the #Raiders.

So I guess Eagles had no interest.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Is Murray really going to get less than McCoy? How would it make sense to sign him?

 

[eoMMan]

Seems bad, but who knows. Maybe Chip saw enough of Bradford tape + Foles to be convinced he'd much rather have Bradford as his QB. Being honest - Foles wasn't great in 2014. Shoddy O-line, yes, but he wasn't great. I'm going to reserve judgement until the season, when we see the results of Chip's plan. It's all speculation at this point.

And Bradford is?????

I think going from Foles to Bradford is a definite downgrade. Bradford hasn't proven anything (granted, he played for the crappy Rams but still) and he's hurt every other day. I think Foles still had potential. They gave up on him way too quick. I understand the whole idea of "new coach, he's not the QB I brought in...yada yada yada" but this was just dumb. Just a dumb, dumb move.

I'm sad tonight.

Jesus take the wheel.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@MikeClayNFL: Most-recent 16 games comp

Bradford: 356/594, 3,799 yds. 28 TD, 11 INT

Foles: 339/544, 4,225 yds, 29 TD, 12 INT

#Eagles #Rams

@MikeClayNFL: Bradford only made it 7 games in 2013, but he was on pace for a 32:9 TD:INT ratio (seriously). #Eagles

 

[Amused to Death]

Seems bad, but who knows. Maybe Chip saw enough of Bradford tape + Foles to be convinced he'd much rather have Bradford as his QB. Being honest - Foles wasn't great in 2014. Shoddy O-line, yes, but he wasn't great. I'm going to reserve judgement until the season, when we see the results of Chip's plan. It's all speculation at this point.

And Bradford is?????

I think going from Foles to Bradford is a definite downgrade. Bradford hasn't proven anything (granted, he played for the crappy Rams but still) and he's hurt every other day. I think Foles still had potential. They gave up on him way too quick. I understand the whole idea of "new coach, he's not the QB I brought in...yada yada yada" but this was just dumb. Just a dumb, dumb move.

I'm sad tonight.

Jesus take the wheel.

Just start drinking. Its helped me a lot tonight. And keep thinking there's more to come. As Sal Pal said on 97.5 this afternoon, there's no way the Eagles are putting Sam Bradford's picture on the oustside of the Linc.

 

[Insein]

Eagles next move.

 

[unckeyherb]

Sorry but I really don't believe that sam Bradford is the guy chip needs to run his offense. There was a ton of speculation that chip would "sell the farm" to get up to 1-2 for Mariota. So far he's jetisoned Foles and a 2nd. My guess is that they will restructure bradfords contract, take the cap hit internally to take that issue away (they have the space to do so) and package him and a few picks to Tampa-who may very well not like what they see in Mariotas play or Winstons character. Bradford was the number one a few years ago-granted the dude hasn't been able to stay healthy but when he last played he did well with nothing. Him throwing to mike Evans makes that team infinitely better than last year and Lovie doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that wants to deal with a rookie qb. Just my $0.02- this is far from over-Bradford will never put on the midnight.

 

[Soulfly3]

You think Tampa is gonna prefer Bradford over Winston?

That's... interesting.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

That Sanchez deal makes a ton of sense now...

 

[Amused to Death]

Sorry but I really don't believe that sam Bradford is the guy chip needs to run his offense. There was a ton of speculation that chip would "sell the farm" to get up to 1-2 for Mariota. So far he's jetisoned Foles and a 2nd. My guess is that they will restructure bradfords contract, take the cap hit internally to take that issue away (they have the space to do so) and package him and a few picks to Tampa-who may very well not like what they see in Mariotas play or Winstons character. Bradford was the number one a few years ago-granted the dude hasn't been able to stay healthy but when he last played he did well with nothing. Him throwing to mike Evans makes that team infinitely better than last year and Lovie doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that wants to deal with a rookie qb. Just my $0.02- this is far from over-Bradford will never put on the midnight.

 

[Insein]

That Sanchez deal makes a ton of sense now...

Well yea. Trade a better QB who has had some freak injuries for an underachieving one that has chronic injuries. You're going to need a backup. Well if Sanchez starts 6-10 games this year, who's available in 2016 at QB.

 

[unckeyherb]

You think Tampa is gonna prefer Bradford over Winston?

That's... interesting.

It wouldn't surprise me if they felt like mariota is a scheme guy and after spending the weekend with Winston, think that he is a headcase BEFORE he's given hundreds of thousands of dollars. Bradford is a known quantity and admittedly an injury risk. But if he's healthy he's immediately a huge upgrade to a team that needs some steadiness.

 

[need2know]

Wtf just happened

 

[flapgreen]

No one wants Bradford. No one

 

[LTsharks]

I know it may be hard to swallow but this is Chips guy.

@marcsesslernfl: Feels like the Foles/Bradford trade is part of a three-team swap. We just don't know the third team yet.@mattlombardo97.5: Bill Polian on ESPN: "Keep an eye on Philadelphia, there is another shoe to drop. There is another shoe to drop"

I'm not blowing out my hope candle until the first offensive snap of week 1 and Bradford is under center. Until then i wont believe it.

I would love to believe all of that, but I just don't see how it makes any sense. If Bradford was moving to another team, it would have to happen now. He couldn't wait until the draft and hope it works out. If Bradford isn't moving, what does he do with Bradford, Sanchez, and MM? It is Bradford and Sanchez for 2015. Can't believe I just typed that.

 

[Saint]

I am now wondering if Chip Kelly made the final call in the SuperBowl for Pete Carroll.

"Pass it, they will never see it coming!"

 

[flapgreen]

I'm convinced that if Chip announced tonight that he's decided to coach and play qb next year, the few remaining Eagles fans would say he's a genius. Saves on the cap!

 

[Insein]

I'm convinced that if Chip announced tonight that he's decided to coach and play qb next year, the few remaining Eagles fans would say he's a genius. Saves on the cap!

I don't know if there will be any by the draft. He doesn't have to speak till then. We're all going to lose our minds by then.

 

[Hang 10]

Sorry but I really don't believe that sam Bradford is the guy chip needs to run his offense. There was a ton of speculation that chip would "sell the farm" to get up to 1-2 for Mariota. So far he's jetisoned Foles and a 2nd. My guess is that they will restructure bradfords contract, take the cap hit internally to take that issue away (they have the space to do so) and package him and a few picks to Tampa-who may very well not like what they see in Mariotas play or Winstons character. Bradford was the number one a few years ago-granted the dude hasn't been able to stay healthy but when he last played he did well with nothing. Him throwing to mike Evans makes that team infinitely better than last year and Lovie doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that wants to deal with a rookie qb. Just my $0.02- this is far from over-Bradford will never put on the midnight.

So what would a trade look like to move from 20 to 1?

Also, if it does happen I will be excited to see the reaction of bucs fans.

 

[flapgreen]

I'm convinced that if Chip announced tonight that he's decided to coach and play qb next year, the few remaining Eagles fans would say he's a genius. Saves on the cap!

I don't know if there will be any by the draft. He doesn't have to speak till then. We're all going to lose our minds by then.

I was a huge skeptic when they first hired him. Then after his first season, I realized how wrong I was about the new college guy coming in and trying something different. The offense looked unstoppable. They just needed a D in place. Now, I don't know what the hell he's doing. Wtf

 

[Capella]

You think Tampa is gonna prefer Bradford over Winston?

That's... interesting.

It wouldn't surprise me if they felt like mariota is a scheme guy and after spending the weekend with Winston, think that he is a headcase BEFORE he's given hundreds of thousands of dollars. Bradford is a known quantity and admittedly an injury risk. But if he's healthy he's immediately a huge upgrade to a team that needs some steadiness.

Lol. People can really talk themselves into anything.

 

[flapgreen]

Sorry but I really don't believe that sam Bradford is the guy chip needs to run his offense. There was a ton of speculation that chip would "sell the farm" to get up to 1-2 for Mariota. So far he's jetisoned Foles and a 2nd. My guess is that they will restructure bradfords contract, take the cap hit internally to take that issue away (they have the space to do so) and package him and a few picks to Tampa-who may very well not like what they see in Mariotas play or Winstons character. Bradford was the number one a few years ago-granted the dude hasn't been able to stay healthy but when he last played he did well with nothing. Him throwing to mike Evans makes that team infinitely better than last year and Lovie doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that wants to deal with a rookie qb. Just my $0.02- this is far from over-Bradford will never put on the midnight.

So what would a trade look like to move from 20 to 1?Also, if it does happen I will be excited to see the reaction of bucs fans.

Minimum of 2 additional 1s and 2 2s. And I'm not sure that would even do it. Might have to give 3 1s. That's a huge jump that no one ever makes. Would destroy the future.

 

[Soulfly3]

You think Tampa is gonna prefer Bradford over Winston?

That's... interesting.

It wouldn't surprise me if they felt like mariota is a scheme guy and after spending the weekend with Winston, think that he is a headcase BEFORE he's given hundreds of thousands of dollars. Bradford is a known quantity and admittedly an injury risk. But if he's healthy he's immediately a huge upgrade to a team that needs some steadiness.

Lol. People can really talk themselves into anything.

Well... Today taught me nothing is impossible... I just reeeeally don't see this happening.

 

[unckeyherb]

Sorry but I really don't believe that sam Bradford is the guy chip needs to run his offense. There was a ton of speculation that chip would "sell the farm" to get up to 1-2 for Mariota. So far he's jetisoned Foles and a 2nd. My guess is that they will restructure bradfords contract, take the cap hit internally to take that issue away (they have the space to do so) and package him and a few picks to Tampa-who may very well not like what they see in Mariotas play or Winstons character. Bradford was the number one a few years ago-granted the dude hasn't been able to stay healthy but when he last played he did well with nothing. Him throwing to mike Evans makes that team infinitely better than last year and Lovie doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that wants to deal with a rookie qb. Just my $0.02- this is far from over-Bradford will never put on the midnight.

So what would a trade look like to move from 20 to 1?Also, if it does happen I will be excited to see the reaction of bucs fans.

2015 1, 2, 2016 1, Bradford without his cap hit.

So basically give up two firsts two seconds and Foles-indirectly.

 

[Capella]

Sorry but I really don't believe that sam Bradford is the guy chip needs to run his offense. There was a ton of speculation that chip would "sell the farm" to get up to 1-2 for Mariota. So far he's jetisoned Foles and a 2nd. My guess is that they will restructure bradfords contract, take the cap hit internally to take that issue away (they have the space to do so) and package him and a few picks to Tampa-who may very well not like what they see in Mariotas play or Winstons character. Bradford was the number one a few years ago-granted the dude hasn't been able to stay healthy but when he last played he did well with nothing. Him throwing to mike Evans makes that team infinitely better than last year and Lovie doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that wants to deal with a rookie qb. Just my $0.02- this is far from over-Bradford will never put on the midnight.

So what would a trade look like to move from 20 to 1?Also, if it does happen I will be excited to see the reaction of bucs fans.

2015 1, 2, 2016 1, Bradford without his cap hit.

Horrible. Zero chance.

 

[mr roboto]

Sorry but I really don't believe that sam Bradford is the guy chip needs to run his offense. There was a ton of speculation that chip would "sell the farm" to get up to 1-2 for Mariota. So far he's jetisoned Foles and a 2nd. My guess is that they will restructure bradfords contract, take the cap hit internally to take that issue away (they have the space to do so) and package him and a few picks to Tampa-who may very well not like what they see in Mariotas play or Winstons character. Bradford was the number one a few years ago-granted the dude hasn't been able to stay healthy but when he last played he did well with nothing. Him throwing to mike Evans makes that team infinitely better than last year and Lovie doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that wants to deal with a rookie qb. Just my $0.02- this is far from over-Bradford will never put on the midnight.

So what would a trade look like to move from 20 to 1?Also, if it does happen I will be excited to see the reaction of bucs fans.

2015 1, 2, 2016 1, Bradford without his cap hit.

Horrible. Zero chance.

Horrible. I know you have a hardon for Jameis but that's not horrible.

 

[Tool]

@caplannfl: #Raiders agreed to a contract with Roy Helu, source said.

Cross him off the list.

Maybe it's just us and the Jags for Murray now?

You say good-bye, I say Helu.

 

[jon007]

If the Bucs end up with Bradford and Hundley, I would think that is an upgrade over McCown and Glennon. Plus with a ton of picks for a team that is basically doing the same thing (Revamping) as the Eagles.

 

[Hang 10]

Sorry but I really don't believe that sam Bradford is the guy chip needs to run his offense. There was a ton of speculation that chip would "sell the farm" to get up to 1-2 for Mariota. So far he's jetisoned Foles and a 2nd. My guess is that they will restructure bradfords contract, take the cap hit internally to take that issue away (they have the space to do so) and package him and a few picks to Tampa-who may very well not like what they see in Mariotas play or Winstons character. Bradford was the number one a few years ago-granted the dude hasn't been able to stay healthy but when he last played he did well with nothing. Him throwing to mike Evans makes that team infinitely better than last year and Lovie doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that wants to deal with a rookie qb. Just my $0.02- this is far from over-Bradford will never put on the midnight.

So what would a trade look like to move from 20 to 1?Also, if it does happen I will be excited to see the reaction of bucs fans.

2015 1, 2, 2016 1, Bradford without his cap hit.

Horrible. Zero chance.

Horrible. I know you have a hardon for Jameis but that's not horrible.

Didn't the giants give up something similar to move from 5 to 1? And there's obviously the rgiii trade. I agree that that would be nowhere near enough and would be a very tough sell to your fans.

 

[Capella]

Sorry but I really don't believe that sam Bradford is the guy chip needs to run his offense. There was a ton of speculation that chip would "sell the farm" to get up to 1-2 for Mariota. So far he's jetisoned Foles and a 2nd. My guess is that they will restructure bradfords contract, take the cap hit internally to take that issue away (they have the space to do so) and package him and a few picks to Tampa-who may very well not like what they see in Mariotas play or Winstons character. Bradford was the number one a few years ago-granted the dude hasn't been able to stay healthy but when he last played he did well with nothing. Him throwing to mike Evans makes that team infinitely better than last year and Lovie doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that wants to deal with a rookie qb. Just my $0.02- this is far from over-Bradford will never put on the midnight.

So what would a trade look like to move from 20 to 1?Also, if it does happen I will be excited to see the reaction of bucs fans.

2015 1, 2, 2016 1, Bradford without his cap hit.

Horrible. Zero chance.

Horrible. I know you have a hardon for Jameis but that's not horrible.

Has nothing to do with Jameis. That's a laughable trade offer for the #1.

You really think an nfl team would move down 19 spots in the draft off the premium pick for a #1 next year, a #2 and a QB with no knees?

 

[Billy Bats]

Bradford, Cox, 20th, 2016 1st, 2017 1st for 1st overall and Evans.

 

[McGarnicle]

I genuinely feel for you Eagles fans. I can't imagine watching my team get gutted like this, and getting raped for future picks to boot. I was a Chip believer and looked forward to seeing what he would do, now I just want to avert my eyes. At this point you can only hope he lands Mariota, even if he gets completely bent over in the process, because clearly that's his guy and he can then either prove there was a method to the madness or you get him out of there in a year or two (after unfortunately ruining your team). Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic here, we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Capella]

Bradford, Cox, 20th, 2016 1st, 2017 1st for 1st overall and Evans.

ok now I'm out

 

[BroadwayG]

Bradford, Cox, 20th, 2016 1st, 2017 1st for 1st overall and Evans.

Would likely need to do the entire 2015-2018 draft class for 1st overall and Evans

 

[unckeyherb]

Sorry but I really don't believe that sam Bradford is the guy chip needs to run his offense. There was a ton of speculation that chip would "sell the farm" to get up to 1-2 for Mariota. So far he's jetisoned Foles and a 2nd. My guess is that they will restructure bradfords contract, take the cap hit internally to take that issue away (they have the space to do so) and package him and a few picks to Tampa-who may very well not like what they see in Mariotas play or Winstons character. Bradford was the number one a few years ago-granted the dude hasn't been able to stay healthy but when he last played he did well with nothing. Him throwing to mike Evans makes that team infinitely better than last year and Lovie doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that wants to deal with a rookie qb. Just my $0.02- this is far from over-Bradford will never put on the midnight.

So what would a trade look like to move from 20 to 1?Also, if it does happen I will be excited to see the reaction of bucs fans.

2015 1, 2, 2016 1, Bradford without his cap hit.

Horrible. Zero chance.

Horrible. I know you have a hardon for Jameis but that's not horrible.

Didn't the giants give up something similar to move from 5 to 1? And there's obviously the rgiii trade. I agree that that would be nowhere near enough and would be a very tough sell to your fans.

None of those trades involved a starting QB tonyhe team giving up the top pick

 

[Billy Bats]

Bradford, Cox, 20th, 2016 1st, 2017 1st for 1st overall and Evans.

ok now I'm out

You'll take it and you'll like it!!!!

 

[Capella]

Bradford, Cox, 20th, 2016 1st, 2017 1st for 1st overall and Evans.

ok now I'm out

You'll take it and you'll like it!!!!

 

[Bigboy10182000]

This is how I feel:

Tough to believe in Chip Kelly after baffling QB swap

March 10, 2015, 10:00 pm

I kept thinking maybe the reports are wrong. Maybe the details of the trade are wrong. Maybe its a fake Twitter account. Maybe I misread it. Maybe the Eagles actually received a second-round pick instead of giving one up.

And I kept reading the tweet from the Eagles over and over and over and it didnt change.

Because this happened, and I cant for the life of me figure out how the Eagles are a better football team now than they were yesterday.

Nick Foles, a second-round pick in 2016 and a fourth-round pick in 2015 for Sam Bradford and the Rams fifth-round pick in 2015 (see story).

It just cant be.

But there it is.

Sam Bradford is the Eagles quarterback.

Sam Bradford.

It just does not add up.

There has to be more. There has to be something else. There has to be a deeper plan.

Because you simply dont make Sam Bradford 18 career wins, two career ACLs, 59 touchdown passes in 49 games the centerpiece of your football team.

So maybe theres still a chance Chip Kelly has something up his sleeve. Maybe theres more to come. Maybe theres a team out there at the top of the draft that wants Bradford and is just sitting there waiting to trade a top-five pick to the Eagles for Bradford, freeing up the Eagles to draft Kellys beloved Marcus Mariotta.

But that really seems like a longshot. Because when they look at Bradford, theyll see what we see:

Turns 28 this fall, has played just seven games the last two years because of consecutive torn ACLs in the same knee, won 18 of 49 starts with the Rams, limited to an average of 9.8 starts per season because of injuries, has never had a winning record in any NFL season and even has a lower rushing average than Foles (3.9 to 2.5). Oh, and has a $12.985 million cap figure this year.

Heres the legacy Nick Foles leaves: 14-4 record under Kelly with 40 touchdown passes and 12 interceptions. The third-best interception ratio in NFL history and the ninth-highest passer rating. Walked off the field against the Saints in 2013 with the lead in a playoff game, only to watch special teams and the defense give the game away.

Why Kelly gave up on Foles so quickly is a big enough mystery. You just dont give up on big, tough, smart, young quarterbacks with a history of winning football games. Theyre hard to find. Foles has his faults, but hes shown enough in his first 24 career starts that its clear he can play the game at a high level and with his work ethic its clear hes going to get even better.

Why Kelly believes he can win a Super Bowl with Bradford is an even bigger mystery. Bradford is a talented guy and has been buried on bad teams, but the bottom line is hes been in the NFL five years and won 18 games and blown out his knee two years in a row.

The Eagles keep asking us to trust Kelly, but its getting harder and harder to do it.

Its only March 9, and there are more moves to come, and theres the rest of free agency and the draft and trades, and Im always the one preaching patience half a year before opening day.

But I cant comprehend how a team without DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy and Nick Foles is better than one with them.

Taken individually, some of the moves make sense. I was OK with the releasing of Jackson because of his size and annual drop in production late in the season. I was OK with the Shady trade because of his cap figure and because the Eagles got Kiko Alonso back and because running backs really do seem pretty much interchangeable.

But the Eagles lost me when they let Maclin go to the Chiefs, and giving up Foles and a second-round pick for a perennially injured quarterback with a less resume is baffling.

It doesnt help that Kelly and Jeff Lurie have been hiding silently in the NovaCare Complex, steadfastly refusing to explain their actions throughout probably the most dramatic offseason in franchise history.

I want to believe this is all going to lead somewhere else, but I dont see how.

I want to be patient, but right now its almost impossible.

I want to believe in Chip, but right now its really hard.

 

[thriftyrocker]

My guess is that they will restructure bradfords contract, take the cap hit internally to take that issue away (they have the space to do so)

I don't think that is possible though. Once you sign a new contract, it is a huge cap hit to trade a player. If you assume a near term trade, it doesn't matter though - most teams would like to structure their own contracts thank you very much.

Devil's advocate, this is a lot better than spending pick 20 on Hundley IMO.

 

[massraider]

Most likely scenario is, as was said above, Chip likes Bradford.

I definitely think that Chip looked into trading up, and found the price too high. I was always going to have to be two 1's and two 2's, or something like that. it's just a huge price to pay.

 

[Billy Bats]

@PSchrags: Great job by @MikeGarafolo on @FOXSportsLive . On validity of Eagles/Mariota rumors: "Yes! Everything is on the table with this guy."

10:11pm - 10 Mar 15

Watched NFL Network panel analysis on Bradford in Chip's system. And at the end of the segment they all giggled and started saying "well yea if he's still there".