*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (1 Viewer)

[Deamon]

None if this makes any sense. If Rap's report about the offer was true, there is no way that that would have never come close to taking it. Unless they are complete idiots. That team is devoid of talent and could have stocked up. It's fine if they still thought Mariota was worth holding, but to not consider?
There's no way to know what really happened. I'm sure that part of what everyone is reporting is true.

Think about all of the experts who all had sources and what theyre reports said prior to yesterday. Not just ones concerning the Eagles but the entire league. After round 1 yesterday whats their batting average?

pretty good. No way to know. Chances are the browns did offer 2 1sts... and we did offer that... and Tenn just loved MM and stayed put to take him. The chargers talk died off, and I'm not sure what other media reports out there have been proven wrong based on last night

 

[Deamon]

I'm reading a lot of what ifs on Twitter about the possibility of us picking Strong at 52.

Matthews

Huff

Agholor

Strong

That would look pretty promising.

I really hope we don't go WR/WR. Strong does scare me though because he's another Pac 12 WR and Chip probably wants him. Why draft a 4th WR with so many holes on Defense? Just cause Indy did it, doesn't make it right.

 

[Deamon]

GIL BRANDT PURPORTEDLY CORRECT!

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/5/1/8528205/2015-nfl-draft-gil-brandt-eagles-nelson-agholor-pick-illuminati

Handwriting different, no tears on the envelope, overly cocky attitude that he was going to nail the pick (before philly even brought him in and while he was still a low 2nd round prospect)... I call major BS.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm mystified as to why there is such a knockdown argument in here about whether Chip is lying about how hard he tried to get MM. I assume he is deceiving us to some degree. I fully expect him to, and I don't have a problem with this. I don't have an expectation of full transparency with any GM - think it would make them less effective. I expect Chip made a competitive offer to trade up, but ultimately either he backed off or the Titans did. Does it really matter which side balked? And maybe all of those players were discussed at some point, you'll never really know. Of course he has to dial it back a bit today so none of these players' feelings get hurt. It's pathetic really, considering how often players like to remind us that "it's a business" - so don't be upset at the notion that your name was tossed around as a trade chip.

I wanted Mariota, but really only as much as Chip wanted him, because I figure he had the best read on his value. Maybe it makes me a lap dog that I'm willing to accept Chip's explanation on how advanced the trade talks were. I think we've all seen enough of him to know that he won't be surrendering any more details than he has to. And I have no problem with him playing it close to the vest, as long as he wins.

If that mega-offer really was on the table at some point, then I think Ruston Webster is a fool for turning it down.

Its like people only hear what they want with him. He doesnt have to back down AT ALL today. Why? Because just a few weeks ago he said "EVERYONE is availible". No company line BS, no "we'll see" crap. Everyone on the roster is availible. It doesnt get more clear than that. What HC has ever said that? So when the guy who says that says "It never got to the point of discussing players" how the hell can you not believe him? I'll tell you how. You have a preconcieved notion that you will not let go of no matter what you see, read or hear. The tape of his call to Tennessee could leak and people would still say Chip was lying.

Im not saying the guy is a saint but since he's been here he has been very firm and matter of fact with pretty much everything.

You told us that he likely did throw an offer involving players "that he knew would get turned down"..... if he even made the offer, and mentioned the players, then he was lying about "it never got to the point of discussing players". I love Chip here too, but as much as you tell us we shouldn't believe absolutely every line of media printed, you shouldn't believe every word that comes from Chip's mouth. If a trade was discussed between the two teams (which you admitted was likely the case- and you can assume how 'serious' he was about it all you want), then Chip discussed players.

You may be blending the tweets I post and my actual belief.

I believe the offers you heard were BS. The bigger the offer the more I think its BS. Chip says he never got to discussing players and I can see that because I dont believe he was ever serious about doing the deal, unless the #2 overall was basically handed to him. Chip himself said all of this.

I dont believe he has to backpeddle today. He already said everyone is availible.

I trust pretty much any HC over the media and my sole reasons are motive.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

None if this makes any sense. If Rap's report about the offer was true, there is no way that that would have never come close to taking it. Unless they are complete idiots. That team is devoid of talent and could have stocked up. It's fine if they still thought Mariota was worth holding, but to not consider?
There's no way to know what really happened. I'm sure that part of what everyone is reporting is true.

Think about all of the experts who all had sources and what theyre reports said prior to yesterday. Not just ones concerning the Eagles but the entire league. After round 1 yesterday whats their batting average?

Almost none of the "rumors" reported cam to fruition. It's all just writer speculation and whispers from teams that are likely misdirection ploys.

The only one that seemed to work out (besides Winston which was far from a secret) was Miami coveting Davnate Parker, and even that had the Dolphins moving up to get him.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

None if this makes any sense. If Rap's report about the offer was true, there is no way that that would have never come close to taking it. Unless they are complete idiots. That team is devoid of talent and could have stocked up. It's fine if they still thought Mariota was worth holding, but to not consider?
There's no way to know what really happened. I'm sure that part of what everyone is reporting is true.

Think about all of the experts who all had sources and what theyre reports said prior to yesterday. Not just ones concerning the Eagles but the entire league. After round 1 yesterday whats their batting average?

pretty good. No way to know. Chances are the browns did offer 2 1sts... and we did offer that... and Tenn just loved MM and stayed put to take him. The chargers talk died off, and I'm not sure what other media reports out there have been proven wrong based on last night

Just odd that there's hundreds of rumors from sources in the know and nothing comes to fruition. Than all of a sudden we have Bradford and no one knew a thing.

 

[Deamon]

None if this makes any sense. If Rap's report about the offer was true, there is no way that that would have never come close to taking it. Unless they are complete idiots. That team is devoid of talent and could have stocked up. It's fine if they still thought Mariota was worth holding, but to not consider?
There's no way to know what really happened. I'm sure that part of what everyone is reporting is true.

Think about all of the experts who all had sources and what theyre reports said prior to yesterday. Not just ones concerning the Eagles but the entire league. After round 1 yesterday whats their batting average?

pretty good. No way to know. Chances are the browns did offer 2 1sts... and we did offer that... and Tenn just loved MM and stayed put to take him. The chargers talk died off, and I'm not sure what other media reports out there have been proven wrong based on last night

Just odd that there's hundreds of rumors from sources in the know and nothing comes to fruition. Than all of a sudden we have Bradford and no one knew a thing.

What rumours didn't come true?

 

[Deamon]

I'm mystified as to why there is such a knockdown argument in here about whether Chip is lying about how hard he tried to get MM. I assume he is deceiving us to some degree. I fully expect him to, and I don't have a problem with this. I don't have an expectation of full transparency with any GM - think it would make them less effective. I expect Chip made a competitive offer to trade up, but ultimately either he backed off or the Titans did. Does it really matter which side balked? And maybe all of those players were discussed at some point, you'll never really know. Of course he has to dial it back a bit today so none of these players' feelings get hurt. It's pathetic really, considering how often players like to remind us that "it's a business" - so don't be upset at the notion that your name was tossed around as a trade chip.

I wanted Mariota, but really only as much as Chip wanted him, because I figure he had the best read on his value. Maybe it makes me a lap dog that I'm willing to accept Chip's explanation on how advanced the trade talks were. I think we've all seen enough of him to know that he won't be surrendering any more details than he has to. And I have no problem with him playing it close to the vest, as long as he wins.

If that mega-offer really was on the table at some point, then I think Ruston Webster is a fool for turning it down.

Its like people only hear what they want with him. He doesnt have to back down AT ALL today. Why? Because just a few weeks ago he said "EVERYONE is availible". No company line BS, no "we'll see" crap. Everyone on the roster is availible. It doesnt get more clear than that. What HC has ever said that? So when the guy who says that says "It never got to the point of discussing players" how the hell can you not believe him? I'll tell you how. You have a preconcieved notion that you will not let go of no matter what you see, read or hear. The tape of his call to Tennessee could leak and people would still say Chip was lying.

Im not saying the guy is a saint but since he's been here he has been very firm and matter of fact with pretty much everything.

You told us that he likely did throw an offer involving players "that he knew would get turned down"..... if he even made the offer, and mentioned the players, then he was lying about "it never got to the point of discussing players". I love Chip here too, but as much as you tell us we shouldn't believe absolutely every line of media printed, you shouldn't believe every word that comes from Chip's mouth. If a trade was discussed between the two teams (which you admitted was likely the case- and you can assume how 'serious' he was about it all you want), then Chip discussed players.

You may be blending the tweets I post and my actual belief.

I believe the offers you heard were BS. The bigger the offer the more I think its BS. Chip says he never got to discussing players and I can see that because I dont believe he was ever serious about doing the deal, unless the #2 overall was basically handed to him. Chip himself said all of this.

I dont believe he has to backpeddle today. He already said everyone is availible.

I trust pretty much any HC over the media and my sole reasons are motive.

I'd say there's a good percentage of tweets and inside information that Glazer and Schefter get before the team releases something, that usually comes true. THese guys have jobs for a reason and if they simply "made up" their rumours, they wouldn't have jobs, and they wouldn't be generally seen as credible. More often then not, what they say did happen. They never said anything this year that 'didn't come true'... they said there was interest from the eagles in MM.... there was. They say Miami wanted Parker... they did. They said the rams could take gurley... they did. They said Winston was going #1.... he did. They said Oakland loved Cooper... they took him.

It's easy to play conspiracy theorist and say these guys fabricate stories for more clicks, but this isn't usually the case, and I doubt they made up the philly moving up rumours. Why is it so hard to believe what they say and find out from their sources rather then trust a GM who of course is going to deceive.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

It's easy to play conspiracy theorist and say these guys fabricate stories for more clicks, but this isn't usually the case, and I doubt they made up the philly moving up rumours. Why is it so hard to believe what they say and find out from their sources rather then trust a GM who of course is going to deceive.

Because a reporter now without a story is an unemployeed reporter. Having a "source" and get those clicks is a requirement. Its really that simple.

This quote is simply irrational:

They never said anything this year that 'didn't come true'

We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Why Chip Will Love USC WR Agholor

Good read with a lot of videos as well

 

[Bigboy10182000]

NFL Draft

Fri May. 1, 2015

The Trade That Was Never Going to Happen

All those rumors of huge offers for the No. 2 pick? Didnt happen. The Titans never got an offer they seriously considered. Thats because Tennessee made sure everyone knew exactly what they thought of Marcus Mariota: He was always going to be their quarterback of the future

By Peter King

CHICAGO In the end, we all got too excited about a trade that didnt make a lot of sense. Or, maybe, about trades that didnt make a lot of sense, for the traders and the tradees.

The nuts and bolts, first, about The Trades That Were Never Really Very Close, in the wake of the Titansnot Chip Kelly, not anyone elseselecting Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota with the second pick in the 2015 NFL draft on Thursday night:

Philip Rivers was never in serious play for the Titans. The Chargers made it clear they were not trading him, and though the noise made the prospective trade interesting pre-draft fodder, San Diego GM Tom Telesco never even hinted that Rivers would be put on the market.

The Eagles, as Kelly said Thursday night in Philadelphia, never offered players as part of a package to obtain Mariota. In fact, The MMQB learned Thursday night that Kelly never offered the widely rumored packages of either three first-round picks or two first-round picks and Sam Bradford, in an attempt to obtain the second pick of the draft. I can tell you this much is true: The Titans basically scared off suitors because they continually told teams they wanted to take Mariota, and it would take a stupid offer to obtain the pick. In the end, Tennessee GM Ruston Webster and coach Ken Whisenhunt stuck to their guns.

Yes, Chicago expressed some interestbut wasnt banging the Titans door downin moving up from seven to two to pick Mariota. However, the Titans had zero interest in Jay Cutler, so that never got off the ground.

The most misleading storyline of the Mariota/Titans marriage: that Whisenhunt wanted a big, strong pocket passer, and the mobile Mariota wasnt Whisenhunts cup of tea. People got too locked into that, and it wasnt true, Whisenhunt said from the Titans draft bunker north of Nashville Thursday night. I said it all alonghe excited me. I really wanted him. In the end, it wasnt a difficult decision to stay at two and pick Marcus.

The moral of the story is that if Kelly had gone crazy and offered three ones and a couple of starting defensive players, the Titans brass would have had to sit down and consider it. But from talking to Whisenhunt, it sounds as if even that wouldnt have been tempting. Why? Think of this. You need a quarterback of the future. The forecast for passers next spring is poor. Even if you had two first-round picks in 2016, one of them in the top 10, to deal for a quarterback, theres no guarantee one would be there that would be close to Mariota. And if there was a good quarterback atop the 2016 draft, would Tennessee have been in position to throw enough draft capital at some team next spring to get that quarterback?

And would Whisenhunt and Webster be there to shepherd the Titans through that process? Or would they be fired after a 4-12 crash-and-burn season led by quarterback Zach Mettenberger?

I think they made the right maneuver, staying and picking Marcus, Chip Kelly said. If I was in the same position I would have done the same thing.

Kelly is not the only Eagles coach who thought that. Whisenhunt learned that Thursday morning.

* * *

Im pretty sure this is exactley what I have been saying for a long time now

 

[Thunderlips]

Have no doubt in my mind that this is a deep run playoff team. Liking just about every facet of this team save safety. Front 7 will be a beast and while they don't have the #1 receiver....they have a bunch of 1A's. Barring injury, this team is in contention for the NFC Championship.

 

[babydemon90]

Have no doubt in my mind that this is a deep run playoff team. Liking just about every facet of this team save safety. Front 7 will be a beast and while they don't have the #1 receiver....they have a bunch of 1A's. Barring injury, this team is in contention for the NFC Championship.

I'd like some of these middle rounds to beef up OL depth.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Have no doubt in my mind that this is a deep run playoff team. Liking just about every facet of this team save safety. Front 7 will be a beast and while they don't have the #1 receiver....they have a bunch of 1A's. Barring injury, this team is in contention for the NFC Championship.

From a fantasy pespective I am very curious to see if they just start with Huff, Agholor and Matthews and which one emerges as the #1

 

[Long Ball Larry]

NFL Draft

Fri May. 1, 2015

The Trade That Was Never Going to Happen

All those rumors of huge offers for the No. 2 pick? Didnt happen. The Titans never got an offer they seriously considered. Thats because Tennessee made sure everyone knew exactly what they thought of Marcus Mariota: He was always going to be their quarterback of the future

By Peter King

CHICAGO In the end, we all got too excited about a trade that didnt make a lot of sense. Or, maybe, about trades that didnt make a lot of sense, for the traders and the tradees.

The nuts and bolts, first, about The Trades That Were Never Really Very Close, in the wake of the Titansnot Chip Kelly, not anyone elseselecting Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota with the second pick in the 2015 NFL draft on Thursday night:

Philip Rivers was never in serious play for the Titans. The Chargers made it clear they were not trading him, and though the noise made the prospective trade interesting pre-draft fodder, San Diego GM Tom Telesco never even hinted that Rivers would be put on the market.

The Eagles, as Kelly said Thursday night in Philadelphia, never offered players as part of a package to obtain Mariota. In fact, The MMQB learned Thursday night that Kelly never offered the widely rumored packages of either three first-round picks or two first-round picks and Sam Bradford, in an attempt to obtain the second pick of the draft. I can tell you this much is true: The Titans basically scared off suitors because they continually told teams they wanted to take Mariota, and it would take a stupid offer to obtain the pick. In the end, Tennessee GM Ruston Webster and coach Ken Whisenhunt stuck to their guns.

Yes, Chicago expressed some interestbut wasnt banging the Titans door downin moving up from seven to two to pick Mariota. However, the Titans had zero interest in Jay Cutler, so that never got off the ground.

The most misleading storyline of the Mariota/Titans marriage: that Whisenhunt wanted a big, strong pocket passer, and the mobile Mariota wasnt Whisenhunts cup of tea. People got too locked into that, and it wasnt true, Whisenhunt said from the Titans draft bunker north of Nashville Thursday night. I said it all alonghe excited me. I really wanted him. In the end, it wasnt a difficult decision to stay at two and pick Marcus.

The moral of the story is that if Kelly had gone crazy and offered three ones and a couple of starting defensive players, the Titans brass would have had to sit down and consider it. But from talking to Whisenhunt, it sounds as if even that wouldnt have been tempting. Why? Think of this. You need a quarterback of the future. The forecast for passers next spring is poor. Even if you had two first-round picks in 2016, one of them in the top 10, to deal for a quarterback, theres no guarantee one would be there that would be close to Mariota. And if there was a good quarterback atop the 2016 draft, would Tennessee have been in position to throw enough draft capital at some team next spring to get that quarterback?

And would Whisenhunt and Webster be there to shepherd the Titans through that process? Or would they be fired after a 4-12 crash-and-burn season led by quarterback Zach Mettenberger?

I think they made the right maneuver, staying and picking Marcus, Chip Kelly said. If I was in the same position I would have done the same thing.

Kelly is not the only Eagles coach who thought that. Whisenhunt learned that Thursday morning.

* * *

Im pretty sure this is exactley what I have been saying for a long time now

I don't have any care to disagree with your overall premise, but why do you assume that this is true when King says it, especially after the fact? It's a lot easier to make this statement after nothing happened.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

NFL Draft

Fri May. 1, 2015

The Trade That Was Never Going to Happen

All those rumors of huge offers for the No. 2 pick? Didnt happen. The Titans never got an offer they seriously considered. Thats because Tennessee made sure everyone knew exactly what they thought of Marcus Mariota: He was always going to be their quarterback of the future

By Peter King

CHICAGO In the end, we all got too excited about a trade that didnt make a lot of sense. Or, maybe, about trades that didnt make a lot of sense, for the traders and the tradees.

The nuts and bolts, first, about The Trades That Were Never Really Very Close, in the wake of the Titansnot Chip Kelly, not anyone elseselecting Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota with the second pick in the 2015 NFL draft on Thursday night:

Philip Rivers was never in serious play for the Titans. The Chargers made it clear they were not trading him, and though the noise made the prospective trade interesting pre-draft fodder, San Diego GM Tom Telesco never even hinted that Rivers would be put on the market.

The Eagles, as Kelly said Thursday night in Philadelphia, never offered players as part of a package to obtain Mariota. In fact, The MMQB learned Thursday night that Kelly never offered the widely rumored packages of either three first-round picks or two first-round picks and Sam Bradford, in an attempt to obtain the second pick of the draft. I can tell you this much is true: The Titans basically scared off suitors because they continually told teams they wanted to take Mariota, and it would take a stupid offer to obtain the pick. In the end, Tennessee GM Ruston Webster and coach Ken Whisenhunt stuck to their guns.

Yes, Chicago expressed some interestbut wasnt banging the Titans door downin moving up from seven to two to pick Mariota. However, the Titans had zero interest in Jay Cutler, so that never got off the ground.

The most misleading storyline of the Mariota/Titans marriage: that Whisenhunt wanted a big, strong pocket passer, and the mobile Mariota wasnt Whisenhunts cup of tea. People got too locked into that, and it wasnt true, Whisenhunt said from the Titans draft bunker north of Nashville Thursday night. I said it all alonghe excited me. I really wanted him. In the end, it wasnt a difficult decision to stay at two and pick Marcus.

The moral of the story is that if Kelly had gone crazy and offered three ones and a couple of starting defensive players, the Titans brass would have had to sit down and consider it. But from talking to Whisenhunt, it sounds as if even that wouldnt have been tempting. Why? Think of this. You need a quarterback of the future. The forecast for passers next spring is poor. Even if you had two first-round picks in 2016, one of them in the top 10, to deal for a quarterback, theres no guarantee one would be there that would be close to Mariota. And if there was a good quarterback atop the 2016 draft, would Tennessee have been in position to throw enough draft capital at some team next spring to get that quarterback?

And would Whisenhunt and Webster be there to shepherd the Titans through that process? Or would they be fired after a 4-12 crash-and-burn season led by quarterback Zach Mettenberger?

I think they made the right maneuver, staying and picking Marcus, Chip Kelly said. If I was in the same position I would have done the same thing.

Kelly is not the only Eagles coach who thought that. Whisenhunt learned that Thursday morning.

* * *

Im pretty sure this is exactley what I have been saying for a long time now

I don't have any care to disagree with your overall premise, but why do you assume that this is true when King says it, especially after the fact? It's a lot easier to make this statement after nothing happened.

I suppose It's a lot easier to make any of the statements we have read after the fact If you pimped the deal for #2 you cant very well come out and say nothing was ever done now can you?

Why is it that he pretty much hears the same from both sides? Why no conflicts? Does he not make good points about Tennessee having to listen to such a great offer that many deemed Tennessee stupid for not accepting/ considering? His story seems rational, clean and doesnt seem conflcting.

Like I said before. All these guys talk. The word about what they (Tennessee) planned to do wasnt a secret. Hence the never getting out of the car to look at the house...

You want to know why teams didnt offer 4-5 players and 3-4 draft picks for Andrew Luck when he came out? Because of cases like this. If these were possible you would hear about them EVERY year a franchise QB comes out

 

[ShaHBucks]

Cowboys don't overpay for Murray, play hardball w Dez, had a nice draft last year and now get the best CB in the draft. Lot of substance there.

Eagles get a generic 6 foot WR after all this hype.

I heard that after every CB got picked.

Cowboys got Mamula...the age of the big CB and a combine helped him. Good for him.

You know I hardly throw praise around. Jones should go on to be great. He's a top-10 prospect that the Cowboys got in the 20's. I have to give props.

 

[B-Deep]

The truth is none of us know what was or wasn't offered or discussed

and at this point it does not matter, unless it matters to Bradford or any other player mentioned (and again none of us know how Bradford or anyone else feels)

 

[Bigboy10182000]

We can do it all again next year with Cardale Jones

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Anyway, if we get Rowe he has to be a safety, right?

 

[GoBirds]

Cowboys don't overpay for Murray, play hardball w Dez, had a nice draft last year and now get the best CB in the draft. Lot of substance there.

Eagles get a generic 6 foot WR after all this hype.

I heard that after every CB got picked.

Cowboys got Mamula...the age of the big CB and a combine helped him. Good for him.

You know I hardly throw praise around. Jones should go on to be great. He's a top-10 prospect that the Cowboys got in the 20's. I have to give props.

He wasn't even projected in the 1st round a few months ago? Now he's Champ Bailey?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

At #52 I like:

Rowe--He would have to play safety

TJ Clemmings- With the way he moves he seemd like a Chip type of OL. We also could get OK depth in round 4 and 5

Odighizuwa- He wouldnt come in and have to start at OLB and could maybe allow Smith to move to ILB

Darby- Need a CB...he has good size, speed and long arms

I almost wish La'e' Collins gets his name cleared while we're on the clock

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Why Chip Will Love USC WR Agholor

Good read with a lot of videos as well

When looking at him he seems like a smoother Maclin. He reminds me more of a Chad Johnson for some reason

 

[Deamon]

At #52 I like:

Rowe--He would have to play safety

TJ Clemmings- With the way he moves he seemd like a Chip type of OL. We also could get OK depth in round 4 and 5

Odighizuwa- He wouldnt come in and have to start at OLB and could maybe allow Smith to move to ILB

Darby- Need a CB...he has good size, speed and long arms

I almost wish La'e' Collins gets his name cleared while we're on the clock

I would hope Chip has hired the best PI in the country to look into that situation. WOuld love Collins to fall to us. (Man there's so many Collins' going to go this round its confusing)

Don't think Clemmings drops that far. I think best OL/DB avail is where we go here. Would love a trade up for rowe and ya I think he would play safety. Perfect fit for us, just not sure he'll make it down to us and what it would cost to move up.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Greg Cosell's draft preview: 10 Day 2 and 3 prospects who provide good value

Shutdown Corner By Greg Cosell 2 hours ago

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The first round of the NFL draft is completed, but teams are just getting started.

There is plenty of talent to be found in the second and third days of the draft, of course. Here are some players who, in my film study leading up to the draft, jumped out to me as some possible late-round gems. Here they are, in no particular order:

Hauoli Kikaha, OLB, Washington

Kikaha is a perfect example of the players I put on this list. Hes a guy I knew nothing about when I started watching film on him. Now, I think he might be the most natural pass rusher in the draft.

Hes not an explosive athlete the way some guys who went high in the draft are. But hes a player who sacks the quarterback. Hes a fanatical effort player. Hes a lunatic in a good way.

Kikaha can also drop into coverage or set the edge in the run game. He showed refined and polished hand usage for a college player, great body flexibility, and that allowed him to win quickly and use his closing burst to get to the quarterback.

Grady Jarrett, DT, Clemson

Jarrett is a good athlete for his stout body type. He has an excellent combination of initial quickness off the ball, and secondary quickness to make plays. He played with good leverage, light feet and competitive effort.

Jarretts explosive quickness leads me to believe he can be more than a rotational defensive tackle in the NFL. He has the needed skill set to develop into a quality pass rusher, and if he can do that he could become a similar player to Geno Atkins. Jarrett may be one of my favorite prospects at any position in this draft class.

Stefon Diggs, WR, Maryland

Diggs will likely began his NFL career as a slot receiver, but he has the movement and route quickness to develop into an outside receiver. He is a multi-dimensional receiver who can align anywhere in the formation; he can be a movement receiver in an NFL offense.

He catches the ball easily, exploded out of his cuts with easy acceleration, showed a nice feel for route running and has excellent run-after-catch quickness with some natural wiggle and elusiveness he has a little Percy Harvin-type movement.

Can Diggs develop into an Antonio Brown-type of receiver with experience and coaching? Dont forget, Brown was a sixth-round pick.

Matt Jones, RB, Florida

Jones has excellent size at more than 6-2 and 230 pounds, and he has a strong lower body. Hes not a shifty and elusive runner, but a hard downhill runner who attacks the point of attack with velocity.

He ran with urgency and kept his feet moving through contact. He will not make defenders miss in space but by no means a plodding straight-line stiff runner. Jones may be the toughest inside runner in this draft class with natural power and tremendous determination. Jones will not be for everybody, but teams that feature the run game as their offensive foundation will see tremendous value in him. Theres always room for a sustaining, move-the-chains back in the NFL.

Darius Philon, DT, Arkansas

Philon is light on experience, with just 18 college starts, but on film he showed disruptive traits with his combination of hand and foot quickness. Theres a lot to work with when it comes to his skill set.

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The more I watched the more I saw the kind of quickness and short-area burst off the ball that transitions well to the NFL. He flashed the ability to get skinny off the ball and defeat angle blocks with excellent short-area quickness. He is not yet the inside pass rusher his athletic ability and movement suggests he can become. That might be due to lack of experience.

Philon is arguably one of the best 3 technique prospects in this draft class and could become a very good NFL player.

Tyler Kroft, TE, Rutgers

Kroft has the speed and movement to be effective as a receiver from the slot, and even split wide outside the numbers. At the same time, he is a very willing and effective line-of-scrimmage blocker in the run game. Hes competitive and a finisher. His tenacity and ability to block defensive ends one-on-one will translate well to the NFL.

In Kroft I saw a potential big-time tight end talent. He had some movement similarities to Zach Ertz but is a much better and more competitive blocker.

Terrence Magee, RB, LSU

Magee is another downhill power runner. He is not overly shifty or elusive but flashed a darting style that at times made defenders miss in the open field. Magee ran with a lot of energy and velocity. I liked his competitiveness and inside toughness. I think Magee has chance to be a very good complementary back in the NFL with his powerful running style and receiving ability.

Rob Havenstein, OT, Wisconsin

The massive prospect fits the profile of a Wisconsin tackle: Fundamentally sound with consistent execution, with an overall efficiency to his play that showed snap after snap.

Hes a physical, efficient drive blocker in the run game. He also was used as a puller at times in the run game, with the ability to move and strike. He also had good balance and body control in pass protection.

There is a desirable combination of size, length, feet, balance and body control; the attributes you look for in an NFL right tackle. He has the look of an NFL right tackle who will start early in his career, play for 10 years and have a successful career as a fixture at right tackle.

Tony Lippett, WR, Michigan State

Lippett is a big, fluid receiver with a refined sense of route running from the X position. He showed a good feel for how to run routes and set up corners, especially at the intermediate level.

He is not an explosive mover, but effective and consistent. Route quickness is one of the strengths of his game; hes very deceptive with movement and his ability to win at the top of his routes. He also showed the consistent ability to snatch the ball away from his body, with strong hands and a wide catching radius.

He had some similarities to Brandon LaFell in terms of size and movement. He can be a quality possession-type receiver.

JaCorey Shepherd, CB, Kansas

Shepherd made the switch from receiver to corner before his sophomore season, so he doesnt have a lot of experience. But he is a very comfortable press-man corner, and played with patience and control, staying balanced with excellent body control.

Shepherd has quick feet in his back pedal in press man with fluid hips to turn and transition efficiently. He showed natural awareness on when to look back for the ball on vertical routes out of press man coverage, and had an excellent feel for the timing of vertical routes. The question with him is vertical speed and if he can run with the NFLs faster receivers.

Overall he is one of the most natural and comfortable press man corners in the draft, with a lot of room to improve given his lack of corner experience. He will only get better and could end up being one of the best corners to emerge from this draft class.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

At #52 I like:

Rowe--He would have to play safety

TJ Clemmings- With the way he moves he seemd like a Chip type of OL. We also could get OK depth in round 4 and 5

Odighizuwa- He wouldnt come in and have to start at OLB and could maybe allow Smith to move to ILB

Darby- Need a CB...he has good size, speed and long arms

I almost wish La'e' Collins gets his name cleared while we're on the clock

Good list. I'd be thrilled if Rowe falls to us, or if we go up to get him. Otherwise I'm hoping OL is the target -several highly rated linemen still available, like Clemmings and Collins, plus Eric Fisher and Donovan Smith. Can probably snag a safety like Amos, Rollins or Shaw later.

 

[cstu]

Sanchez plays well, costs Eagles Mariota.

Couldn't he have just butt fumbled a few times?

 

[cstu]

When you think you can get Mariota.

When you have to settle for someone not named Mariota.

 

[modogg]

Cowboys don't overpay for Murray, play hardball w Dez, had a nice draft last year and now get the best CB in the draft. Lot of substance there.

Eagles get a generic 6 foot WR after all this hype.

Cowboys are also going into the season with no RB, and a QB who will be hurt by mid-season when teams stack 8 guys in the box and blitz

 

[modogg]

So i listened to quite a bit of sports radio today (not really on purpose) i don't think i saw it mentioned yet, but a big thing they talked about is that apparently Wisenhunt asked Andy Reid about making a trade like some of the sceanrios that have been proposed, and apparently Big Red talked the Titans into not making a trade.

 

[modogg]

also kind of wish Chip would have drafted a white player in the 1st round. I don't really even care who it would have been, just wanted to hear everyone freak out and call Chip a racist again for at least a day

 

[Bigboy10182000]

So i listened to quite a bit of sports radio today (not really on purpose) i don't think i saw it mentioned yet, but a big thing they talked about is that apparently Wisenhunt asked Andy Reid about making a trade like some of the sceanrios that have been proposed, and apparently Big Red talked the Titans into not making a trade.

Big Red giving draft advice to teams now?

 

[cstu]

So i listened to quite a bit of sports radio today (not really on purpose) i don't think i saw it mentioned yet, but a big thing they talked about is that apparently Wisenhunt asked Andy Reid about making a trade like some of the sceanrios that have been proposed, and apparently Big Red talked the Titans into not making a trade.

Big Red giving draft advice to teams now?

Posted that in the Mariota thread.

Reid followed the same advice when Ditka offered his entire draft for McNabb.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

So i listened to quite a bit of sports radio today (not really on purpose) i don't think i saw it mentioned yet, but a big thing they talked about is that apparently Wisenhunt asked Andy Reid about making a trade like some of the sceanrios that have been proposed, and apparently Big Red talked the Titans into not making a trade.

I think this is being overblown. Reid shared his experience around taking McNabb vs. trading pick, which resonated with Whisenhut. Didn't actively try to discourage.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000489642/article/andy-reid-solidified-titans-decision-to-keep-mariota

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

So i listened to quite a bit of sports radio today (not really on purpose) i don't think i saw it mentioned yet, but a big thing they talked about is that apparently Wisenhunt asked Andy Reid about making a trade like some of the sceanrios that have been proposed, and apparently Big Red talked the Titans into not making a trade.

Now I know for sure Philly Sports radio has hit rock-bottom. Let me get this straight: somehow Andy Reid is the reason we didn't get MM!?!?

Good Lord....please don't let me have to read this tomorrow in the Inquirer. Most likely written by Jeff McLane.

 

[GoBirds]

So who has a realistic shot of making it to our pick we like? Gotta think DB unless Chip sees an OL or maybe likes one of the other QBs?

 

[Wooderson]

Oh now the Titans trade ?

 

[modogg]

So i listened to quite a bit of sports radio today (not really on purpose) i don't think i saw it mentioned yet, but a big thing they talked about is that apparently Wisenhunt asked Andy Reid about making a trade like some of the sceanrios that have been proposed, and apparently Big Red talked the Titans into not making a trade.

I think this is being overblown. Reid shared his experience around taking McNabb vs. trading pick, which resonated with Whisenhut. Didn't actively try to discourage.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000489642/article/andy-reid-solidified-titans-decision-to-keep-mariota

yeah, it was more of a comment about sports radio finding things to talk about and riling people up

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Okay, got it. Good bait, for sure.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@RapSheet: The #Eagles are talking with the #Vikings about a potential deal, trading up from No. 52 to 45. Lots of action.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@JimmyKempski: Eagles struggling to get a deal done to move up with the Vikings, according to NFLN. Bring Howie in from the bullpen.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@BartHubbuch: The Dolphins traded their pick to the Eagles, who are now on the clock.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@Jeff_McLane: #Eagles are drafting CB/S Eric Rowe.

 

[GoBirds]

@Jeff_McLane: #Eagles are drafting CB/S Eric Rowe.

Was wondering if Chip could resist Jake Fisher, I like this move though. Hope we didn't give up much.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@BartHubbuch: Miami sends nos. 47 and 191 to Philly for the Eagles' nos. 52, 145 and 156.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@SharpFootball: Dolphins got the better deal in #NFLDraft trade w Eagles by getting 14.7 draft points & losing 11.3. BUT Jimmy Johnson's trade value even.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@JimmyKempski: Eagles give up both their 5's to move up 5 spots, get a 6 back from the Dolphins in return.

 

[GoBirds]

@SharpFootball: Dolphins got the better deal in #NFLDraft trade w Eagles by getting 14.7 draft points & losing 11.3. BUT Jimmy Johnson's trade value even.

Seems generous but I guess we have to fill the need at DB.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@Jeff_McLane: Came away very impressed w/ Eric Rowe at the Senior Bowl. Long (6-1, 205), fast (4.41 40) has good range. High character. Graduated already.

@ZBerm: Marynowitz, 2 weeks ago: "A guy that can play corner and safety may be a little bit more valuable than a guy that can only play safety."

^^i think we talked about this.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

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