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*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (3 Viewers)

C'mon guys, you guys are smarter than that. The fg was 100% the right call to make. Parkey has to make that kick, plain and simple. Any professional kicker should make a 44 yard fg in their sleep.
Don't agree. We had them on the ropesAt least call a time out and discuss. That's the ball game right there
Don't even call timeout. Just go. Atlanta was gassed. Yes conventional football wisdom says that's the right call 99/100 times. That was one of those 1% moments. You could just feel it. It was like Atlanta was relieved to give up 3 rather than stay on the field another play.
Yeah, I think the decision if you're in 4-down mode has to be made before the 3rd down play. In fact, you can argue if you're going for it on 4th, then run play action or a quick slant on 3rd and then come back and run the ball on 4th.

 
First off, how many of you will be at the Linc on Sunday? I'll be there.

Secondly, what is your gut telling you about the game? After seeing the trouble we had with Julio, I'm glad Dez is out. We definitely got a break there. I think if we can play 60 minutes like we played the second half on Monday night, we'll be tough to beat. Atlanta's defense was gassed. I predict a close first half with us getting a little separation towards the end.

Eagles 34

Dallas 20

 
First off, how many of you will be at the Linc on Sunday? I'll be there.

Secondly, what is your gut telling you about the game? After seeing the trouble we had with Julio, I'm glad Dez is out. We definitely got a break there. I think if we can play 60 minutes like we played the second half on Monday night, we'll be tough to beat. Atlanta's defense was gassed. I predict a close first half with us getting a little separation towards the end.

Eagles 34

Dallas 20
Obviously more nervous now but I do think we got our "preseason" out of the way in the first half. Dez being out is huge. Williams is not nearly as explosive.

On offense, Cowboys losing Gregory is just as big. I expect a whole lot of Demarco this week who has to be fired up for this one.

Eagles 27-17

 
First off, how many of you will be at the Linc on Sunday? I'll be there.

Secondly, what is your gut telling you about the game? After seeing the trouble we had with Julio, I'm glad Dez is out. We definitely got a break there. I think if we can play 60 minutes like we played the second half on Monday night, we'll be tough to beat. Atlanta's defense was gassed. I predict a close first half with us getting a little separation towards the end.

Eagles 34

Dallas 20
Obviously more nervous now but I do think we got our "preseason" out of the way in the first half. Dez being out is huge. Williams is not nearly as explosive.

On offense, Cowboys losing Gregory is just as big. I expect a whole lot of Demarco this week who has to be fired up for this one.

Eagles 27-17
After seeing the lines for this game (as high as 7), it being our home opener and Dallas hurting bad Im not nervous at all. Unless something crazy happens I believe we win this game handily.

 
Some post game thoughts - Offense Edition

General 1st half sloppiness I wouldn't put down just to Bradford's rust. Was more of a whole unit issue. Tried to hit back shoulder/stop type routes once each to Huff (didn't turn around) and Agholor (timing, positioning off) and both times I thought it was there and the mistakes were on the WR.

On the 3rd down play in the first series Ertz on a corner route was looking over his inside shoulder for the ball when Bradford correctly put it outside.

OL played badly across the board in the 1st half. On the play where Murray lost yards back almost to the goalline, Lane Johnson and Andrew Gardner both whiffed their blocks about as badly as you could. Peters had problems with Vic Beasley, got cleanly beaten around the corner a couple of times and didn't have him under control on some other plays.

Regular responsibility confusion with guys unblocked while two players go to 2nd level etc. Gardner struggles to position himself at the 2nd level and on screen plays. Reguarly couldn't find a target in space. Gardner does do a solid job as an inline blocker on run plays.

Kelce and Babre both blocked nobody on a WR screen to Matthews at Q2 6:20 that only gained 3.

Great blocks by Johnson and Kelce on Murray's TD run at Q3 13:20. Johnson made contact and then turned his man inside with strength and footwork to give Murray the edge. Gardner did a good job pinning his man inside.

Ertz couldn't single block #50 on an Inside Zone for Sproles at Q1 2:38 and the play got stuffed for no gain. He lost #50 again in pass pro at Q3 6:30 and gave up a pressure as Bradford rolled right before finding Austin.

Beasley beat Peters outside on a play with :23 left in Q1 for a hit on Bradford.

Overall, pass protection improved significantly in the 2nd half, but Chip never came back to the run plays to see if that translated.

Great blocks by Johnson and Kelce with solid assists from Gardner, Babre and Tobin (in for 1 play) on Sproles 27yd run at Q3 4:46

Tried some kind of misdirection run play at Q3 4:16, with Kelce pulling right and Peters going left. Falcons didn't bite and shut it down.

Gardner gave up a QB hit at Q3 3:46 on the TD throw to Murray.

Nice throw in a tight spot to Huff for 13yds at Q1 5:50, he'd started the throw before Huff turned, then took a gang to bring Huff down.

Good, quick decision on the seam throw to Austin on the same series, ball was slightly overthrown but could have been caught. Nice pass pro from Murray on the same play. Came across the formation and stoned #71.

Confident sideline throw in a tight spot to Matthews for 25y at Q2 9.53

Awful drop by Ryan Mathews @ Q2 8.59, wide open.

Tried a tight throw to Ertz at the goalline @ Q2 7.28. Ball placed outside away from the S but Ertz couldn't turn or reach back for it.

#25 was squatting on the inside of Ertz route on the INT waiting for the throw and jumped on it. Mental mistake from Bradford there. Ignored Matthews wide open in the right flat, with 1:05 and 1 timeout left, got greedy for a throw that wasn't there.

After the pick by Thurmond, could have taken a shot to Cooper for a TD at Q3 13:25 as he cleared the LB. He had inside position on the CB and the S was far enough away, but went incomplete underneath to Murray instead. Also could have had a short gain to Celek open in the right flat. Until now there hadn't been a read I disagreed with.

Great throw under pressure to Matthews at Q4 9:11 to get to the 1yd line. Kelce's man cut Bradford in half just as he threw the ball, saw it coming and made the throw.

Kelce got beat badly on the Mathews TD run on the next play too. Babre got away with a hold on Kelce's man before he pushed Mathews in to the EZ.

Nice blocking by all 6 including the Gardner coming off the combo block to push the attacking MLB out of the hole on an Inside Zone to Sproles for 11yd at Q4 4:32.

Terrible, unnecessary hold by Kelce to wipe out a 25yd gain at Q4 4:15. He made a couple of nice highlight blocks in space but overall this was not his best game. This play, as well as Mathews drop obviously were huge in determining the outcome.

On the 3rd and 1 at Q4 3:14, Falcons schemed the MLB free to attak the hole. 2 DL slanted inside, Kelce picked up the DT, Gardner the DE. Johnson picked up the OLB and the MLB looped and hit the G/T gap unblocked before Mathews did. That's the downside to short yardage runs from shotgun, gives directional keys.

Chip seemed indecisive on whether to go for it or not and IMO the kick was rushed. Who knows? It missed.

Overall everybody on O was sloppy early but improved as the game went on. I liked Bradford's game much better on this viewing that I did live. Only two plays where I would question his choice, and one slight overthrow to Austin on that seam route. Take away the pick and it was almost a perfect game.

The Falcons D played a mix of Cover 3 and single high man. Very disciplined in coverage, nothing got behind them, no busts and there were really no deep shots to be had.
I appreciate the time you put into this. Very informative. Thanks

 
Heard on the Fanatic that 92% of bets were going to the Eagles?

Vegas is scary good at setting lines.
Going into last night, Vegas was getting beaten historically badly.
And made it all back. Both dogs covered against the spread, both dogs won straight up, and both unders came in.

They smoked the public last night, who was on the opposite of the above. I'd be shocked if that didn't put them close to or in the black after the weekend with heavy MNF volume for a double header.
Rumor has it Mayweather dropped a million and a half on the Eagles. Ouch.

 
guitarmonkiy said:
Heard on the Fanatic that 92% of bets were going to the Eagles?

Vegas is scary good at setting lines.
Going into last night, Vegas was getting beaten historically badly.
And made it all back. Both dogs covered against the spread, both dogs won straight up, and both unders came in.

They smoked the public last night, who was on the opposite of the above. I'd be shocked if that didn't put them close to or in the black after the weekend with heavy MNF volume for a double header.
Rumor has it Mayweather dropped a million and a half on the Eagles. Ouch.
Rich get richer
 
guitarmonkiy said:
Heard on the Fanatic that 92% of bets were going to the Eagles?

Vegas is scary good at setting lines.
Going into last night, Vegas was getting beaten historically badly.
And made it all back. Both dogs covered against the spread, both dogs won straight up, and both unders came in.

They smoked the public last night, who was on the opposite of the above. I'd be shocked if that didn't put them close to or in the black after the weekend with heavy MNF volume for a double header.
Rumor has it Mayweather dropped a million and a half on the Eagles. Ouch.
Rich get richer
Think he meant on Phi over Atl.

 
guitarmonkiy said:
Heard on the Fanatic that 92% of bets were going to the Eagles?

Vegas is scary good at setting lines.
Going into last night, Vegas was getting beaten historically badly.
And made it all back. Both dogs covered against the spread, both dogs won straight up, and both unders came in.

They smoked the public last night, who was on the opposite of the above. I'd be shocked if that didn't put them close to or in the black after the weekend with heavy MNF volume for a double header.
Rumor has it Mayweather dropped a million and a half on the Eagles. Ouch.
Rich get richer
Think he meant on Phi over Atl.
Correct. Although maybe he meant the rich as in Vegas get richer. Don't think losing 1.5 million even means much to Mayweather. Must be nice.

 
Gonna be a good one.....can't believe this game isn't primetime!....and it'll be blacked out where I live for the Raiders game....yay!.....good thing my buddy has the ticket

 
Gonna be a good one.....can't believe this game isn't primetime!....and it'll be blacked out where I live for the Raiders game....yay!.....good thing my buddy has the ticket
Yeah, the fact that both teams were on prime time last week, and the fact that their second match-up in Dallas is on a Sunday Night, kind of forced this game to be on during the day.

 
Gonna be a good one.....can't believe this game isn't primetime!....and it'll be blacked out where I live for the Raiders game....yay!.....good thing my buddy has the ticket
Yeah, the fact that both teams were on prime time last week, and the fact that their second match-up in Dallas is on a Sunday Night, kind of forced this game to be on during the day.
I figured as much.......but still, its prolly the best game, with great storylines.

 
Here are some thoughts from my perspective...

1. Obviously the 3 injuries hurt us (Dez especially, but Gregory and Leary too)

2. Factors that favor the Eagles:

-Fletcher Cox vs. Bernadeau or Collins.

-Sproles vs our LB's

-Special Teams. We suck.

-I believe your front 7 matches well against our Line, I see Dallas staying with the run game, but at a modest success rate. I expect Dallas to implement a whole bunch of 2 TE sets and trying to utilize Gavin Escobar as another potential mismatch (size).

3. Factors that favor the Cowboys:

-I noticed Maxwell was targeted a ton vs. his former DC Quinn. He got abused, yes by Julio, but also by Roddy. Now Terrance Williams will never be confused with Dez Bryant, but he is a more then capable WR who should not be looked over.

-QB play. Bradford was amazing in the second half, but Romo was excellent all game. I think we have the edge here.

-Tyrone Crawford vs. either of your guards. You guys also seemed to struggle against stunts, expect more of the same with Coach Rod.

I see a lot of predictions of 17+ point wins for you guys, which is lazy analysis. Could it happen, sure. Is it really likely? No. I see a normal dog fight of a game between two divisional rivals who know each other well. My official prediction is 1 score game... won in the last 2 minutes. Win or lose, I just hope we can get out of this with no more injuries.

Always enjoy Eagles week :)

I will be back after the game to congratulate you guys or to share my thoughts on reasons we prevailed.

 
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I don't think it's lazy analysis to predict a big Eagles win the Cowboys are without important players as you mentioned and the defense struggled mightily against the Giants and the short passing game which Eagles excel at. If we are being honest the only reason the Cowboys got 2-3 stops was because of third WR (Davis I think) dropped 3rd down passes. Cowboys didn't generate a consistent pass rush either which is concerning. All these things I named I believe will be fixed or at least improved just not sure it can happen in span of a week. One thing that's working in Dallas favor is majority of bets thus far have been on Eagles so that bodes well.

 
I don't think it's lazy analysis to predict a big Eagles win the Cowboys are without important players as you mentioned and the defense struggled mightily against the Giants and the short passing game which Eagles excel at. If we are being honest the only reason the Cowboys got 2-3 stops was because of third WR (Davis I think) dropped 3rd down passes. Cowboys didn't generate a consistent pass rush either which is concerning. All these things I named I believe will be fixed or at least improved just not sure it can happen in span of a week. One thing that's working in Dallas favor is majority of bets thus far have been on Eagles so that bodes well.
I meant that just because Dez is out = 17+ point prediction is lazy....but hey....just my .02

 
I don't think it's lazy analysis to predict a big Eagles win the Cowboys are without important players as you mentioned and the defense struggled mightily against the Giants and the short passing game which Eagles excel at. If we are being honest the only reason the Cowboys got 2-3 stops was because of third WR (Davis I think) dropped 3rd down passes. Cowboys didn't generate a consistent pass rush either which is concerning. All these things I named I believe will be fixed or at least improved just not sure it can happen in span of a week. One thing that's working in Dallas favor is majority of bets thus far have been on Eagles so that bodes well.
Eli was getting rid of the ball too quick. That's the Giants MO these days.

I'm by no means suggesting the Cowboys are going to get a pass rush on you guys without Hardy and Gregory but Bradford doesn't get rid of the ball as quick as Eli.

Close game but I think the Eagles pull this one out due to Cox being an animal combined with the injured and missing players.

The Eagles can't afford to lose and give the Cowboys up early to game advantage of the NFC East

 
Bankerguy said:
simmonjm said:
I don't think it's lazy analysis to predict a big Eagles win the Cowboys are without important players as you mentioned and the defense struggled mightily against the Giants and the short passing game which Eagles excel at. If we are being honest the only reason the Cowboys got 2-3 stops was because of third WR (Davis I think) dropped 3rd down passes. Cowboys didn't generate a consistent pass rush either which is concerning. All these things I named I believe will be fixed or at least improved just not sure it can happen in span of a week. One thing that's working in Dallas favor is majority of bets thus far have been on Eagles so that bodes well.
I meant that just because Dez is out = 17+ point prediction is lazy....but hey....just my .02
I see what you're saying. A lot depends on the pace of the game. If we come out hot on offense and putting up points, then Dallas will have no choice but to try to win a shootout and do the same. WIthout Dez, if this turns into a track meet then a 17+ point victory is very reasonable and realistic.

That being said, if the game goes the way you think it does, and becomes a grind it out typical divisional match, then there's no chance we win by 17+. Seems in years past we always think these games will be high scoring due to the great offenses/bad defenses, but it never works out that way. So I can see you being right if history repeats itself and it's low scoring.

For us to win by 17, we are going to have to put up 37+ points.

 
I think you guys are over looking the Cowboys a bit. That offense won't lose a beat with Dez out. I'm not sure about this defense though. Honestly I don't think they are as good as advertised.

You really can't gauge Dallas based on playing the Giants. That game could have easily been a blow out in Dallas's favor. Giants are a bad team.

I see maybe a 2 possession lead cut to 3 or 4 points late in the 4th with the Eagles holding on to get the win.

 
I think you guys are over looking the Cowboys a bit. That offense won't lose a beat with Dez out. I'm not sure about this defense though. Honestly I don't think they are as good as advertised.

You really can't gauge Dallas based on playing the Giants. That game could have easily been a blow out in Dallas's favor. Giants are a bad team.

I see maybe a 2 possession lead cut to 3 or 4 points late in the 4th with the Eagles holding on to get the win.
Agreed, we aren't playing well enough to think we will win just cause Dez is out.

 
Giants actually looked much improved from last year. I would be surprised if they didn't win at least 8 games. They were tackling really well

 
I think you guys are over looking the Cowboys a bit. That offense won't lose a beat with Dez out. I'm not sure about this defense though. Honestly I don't think they are as good as advertised.
Oh, come on now. I don't hate Williams' ability, but to suggest the Cowboys are nearly as threatening an offense without Dez is silly. 88 is legitimately one of the 5 best wideouts in the league.

 
Some things I want to see vs. the Cowboys:

Better CB play; A lot of the issues came when Maxwell and Carroll were lining up in press alignment but not challenging the WR's release, just settling into a trail position. Neither has the closing speed to play that way, they either need to be physical and disrupt the release or back off and concentrate on closing and challenging the catch when the ball's in the air. Maxwell looked like a different guy on the plays they used this approach.

Where's the Outside Zone? They seemed to be using the sweep exclusively for the outside runs last week. The OZ is a slower developing play that relies on everybody from the C out on the playside being able to hold a block for long enough for the back to either get the edge or for a cutback lane to develop. My theory is that they don't trust Gardner/Babre as well as the general cohesion of the group overall, to be able to prevent the penetration that blows this play up. With the sweep they get to use Kelce and the playside OT to be the guys on the move. Downside is that going straight outside is usually less effective against a fast front than pressing the edge.

Vertical plays; The Falcons were very good and very disciplined in coverage, there just wasn't much opportunity to go deep. I'd like to see them try and test the Cowboys coverage, including off play action, which leads me to:

More run please; Stick with it, even if it takes a while to get going. Since Chip came in, PA passing has been a big source of explosive plays, but they don't work if you're not running. The scoreboard didn't help last week, but Chip still should have came back to it a bit more, IMO in the 2nd half.

 
More run please; Stick with it, even if it takes a while to get going. Since Chip came in, PA passing has been a big source of explosive plays, but they don't work if you're not running. The scoreboard didn't help last week, but Chip still should have came back to it a bit more, IMO in the 2nd half.
:goodposting:

 
Kiko out. Offense has Zero first downs (don't count the penalty). Just about the worst half imaginable offensively.

 
Let's not hit the panic button yet. I don't feel good about what has gone on either, but our div is looking like it's awful and may be winnable with an 8-8 record. The big factors are our injured LB's.

Why do we suck so bad in afternoon games? I feel like we never play well in the 4:30 start games. Luckily we only have one more left all year.

Bring on the Jets. I may be wrong, but I see a pissed off team heading to NY next week.

 

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