*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (3 Viewers)

[Insein]

Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

We do? Because if you want to give Bradford a bad line excuse (which is false according to PFF, he's 5th least sacked and pressured), then how can you not say the same thing for Nick last year during his 8 games? He was injured twice and yet put up 2300 yds and had 13 TDs in those 8 games for a 6-2 record behind a line no worse than this one. Plus he was 2 years into the offense and would have been in his third this year for a helluva lot cheaper. The "gamble" was a bad one. Let's hope we can break even at least.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

We do? Because if you want to give Bradford a bad line excuse (which is false according to PFF, he's 5th least sacked and pressured), then how can you not say the same thing for Nick last year during his 8 games? He was injured twice and yet put up 2300 yds and had 13 TDs in those 8 games for a 6-2 record behind a line no worse than this one. Plus he was 2 years into the offense and would have been in his third this year for a helluva lot cheaper.The "gamble" was a bad one. Let's hope we can break even at least.

* it just sounds so much better when you say it

 

[JaxBill]

Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

We do? Because if you want to give Bradford a bad line excuse (which is false according to PFF, he's 5th least sacked and pressured), then how can you not say the same thing for Nick last year during his 8 games? He was injured twice and yet put up 2300 yds and had 13 TDs in those 8 games for a 6-2 record behind a line no worse than this one. Plus he was 2 years into the offense and would have been in his third this year for a helluva lot cheaper.The "gamble" was a bad one. Let's hope we can break even at least.

Speaking of bad gambles, how about Bradford's agent advising him to hold out for bigger money and gamble on himself? If you're upset now, imagine if Bradford had say 12-15 Mil guaranteed next season too?

 

[JuniorNB]

Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

We do? Because if you want to give Bradford a bad line excuse (which is false according to PFF, he's 5th least sacked and pressured), then how can you not say the same thing for Nick last year during his 8 games? He was injured twice and yet put up 2300 yds and had 13 TDs in those 8 games for a 6-2 record behind a line no worse than this one. Plus he was 2 years into the offense and would have been in his third this year for a helluva lot cheaper.The "gamble" was a bad one. Let's hope we can break even at least.

I think we've seen enough of Foles to know that he's certainly below the Flacco/Dalton/Palmer line. He peaked in 2013 and has gotten worse ever since. And perhaps Bradford will never get to that Flacco-level either. But we haven't seen him healthy long enough to know. He was certainly head and shoulders above Foles coming out of college. Now, obviously, that doesn't always translate to professional success, but since we only had average quarterbacks on the roster, I like that Kelly strived for more. I think Sanchez would have beaten out Foles had he stayed here. I think he's a better QB. And maybe he'll end up sending Bradford to the bench before the season's over. Then the gamble was a fail. But like I said, our roster before the trade didn't have an above average QB either. Let's see how it plays out.

 

[unckeyherb]

Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

We do? Because if you want to give Bradford a bad line excuse (which is false according to PFF, he's 5th least sacked and pressured), then how can you not say the same thing for Nick last year during his 8 games? He was injured twice and yet put up 2300 yds and had 13 TDs in those 8 games for a 6-2 record behind a line no worse than this one. Plus he was 2 years into the offense and would have been in his third this year for a helluva lot cheaper.The "gamble" was a bad one. Let's hope we can break even at least.

do you really think this line is no worse than last years? Peters and Kelce both appear to me to be playing at a massively lower level than last year.

And to restate my previous post; we as a team, have ten dropped passes. In three games. That is absurd.

ETA: In looking at those drops, they currently are listing Agholor with 1, which is definitely incorrect. So its actually worse than 10.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I don't think there's been one time for me, in any game yet, where I thought "Foles would have done that"....There HAS been times when watching Sam face pressure and stand in and make the throw where I did think "Foles would have started back peddling there and never would have made that throw"

The jury is still out on both of them. Things change in the NFL in a blink of an eye and we still have a ways to go.

 

[Insein]

Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

We do? Because if you want to give Bradford a bad line excuse (which is false according to PFF, he's 5th least sacked and pressured), then how can you not say the same thing for Nick last year during his 8 games? He was injured twice and yet put up 2300 yds and had 13 TDs in those 8 games for a 6-2 record behind a line no worse than this one. Plus he was 2 years into the offense and would have been in his third this year for a helluva lot cheaper.The "gamble" was a bad one. Let's hope we can break even at least.

I think we've seen enough of Foles to know that he's certainly below the Flacco/Dalton/Palmer line. He peaked in 2013 and has gotten worse ever since. And perhaps Bradford will never get to that Flacco-level either. But we haven't seen him healthy long enough to know. He was certainly head and shoulders above Foles coming out of college. Now, obviously, that doesn't always translate to professional success, but since we only had average quarterbacks on the roster, I like that Kelly strived for more. I think Sanchez would have beaten out Foles had he stayed here. I think he's a better QB. And maybe he'll end up sending Bradford to the bench before the season's over. Then the gamble was a fail. But like I said, our roster before the trade didn't have an above average QB either. Let's see how it plays out.

Says you but all the excuses you make for Bradford, Foles went through last year for 8 games and came out with better stats and a 6-2 record. At no point did he look as helpless as Bradford has in those 8 games last year.

You don't accidentally go 27-2. No one else in this offense did. There's exceptional in Foles and Kelly didn't want to work to get it.

And as for the trade, even if we get to a point where Bradford was as good as Foles, we still are out a 2nd, a 4th and paid $12 mil more than we had to this year. People want to complain about buying Murray, well Bradford made about $11 mil more than the QB we had. Pretty sure that could have kept a guy like Maclin here or got another WR.

All around its a mess and the only way it was "worth it" is if Bradford starts playing at a top 5 QB level. No sweat.

 

[Insein]

Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

We do? Because if you want to give Bradford a bad line excuse (which is false according to PFF, he's 5th least sacked and pressured), then how can you not say the same thing for Nick last year during his 8 games? He was injured twice and yet put up 2300 yds and had 13 TDs in those 8 games for a 6-2 record behind a line no worse than this one. Plus he was 2 years into the offense and would have been in his third this year for a helluva lot cheaper.The "gamble" was a bad one. Let's hope we can break even at least.

do you really think this line is no worse than last years? Peters and Kelce both appear to me to be playing at a massively lower level than last year. And to restate my previous post; we as a team, have ten dropped passes. In three games. That is absurd.

ETA: In looking at those drops, they currently are listing Agholor with 1, which is definitely incorrect. So its actually worse than 10.

Kelce wasn't playing for most of Foles time last year so yea it was worse. It wasn't till they started getting healthy did they get better again.

Here's PFF blurb.

Breakdown: How did the line finish this highly with all the injuries they had? The replacements (Matt Tobin, Andrew Gardner and David Molk) all struggled so you can place their midseason renaissance down to getting their studs back. Peters and Lane Johnson were PFF All-Pro first teamers, Evan Mathis was on pace to be one, but missed some time, while Jason Kelce had the sixth-highest run blocking score of any center. A strong finish to the year for this unit.

During the first 8 games they were one of the worst lines in the NFL. Basically no worse than this year.

 

[JuniorNB]

Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

We do? Because if you want to give Bradford a bad line excuse (which is false according to PFF, he's 5th least sacked and pressured), then how can you not say the same thing for Nick last year during his 8 games? He was injured twice and yet put up 2300 yds and had 13 TDs in those 8 games for a 6-2 record behind a line no worse than this one. Plus he was 2 years into the offense and would have been in his third this year for a helluva lot cheaper.The "gamble" was a bad one. Let's hope we can break even at least.

I think we've seen enough of Foles to know that he's certainly below the Flacco/Dalton/Palmer line. He peaked in 2013 and has gotten worse ever since. And perhaps Bradford will never get to that Flacco-level either. But we haven't seen him healthy long enough to know. He was certainly head and shoulders above Foles coming out of college. Now, obviously, that doesn't always translate to professional success, but since we only had average quarterbacks on the roster, I like that Kelly strived for more. I think Sanchez would have beaten out Foles had he stayed here. I think he's a better QB. And maybe he'll end up sending Bradford to the bench before the season's over. Then the gamble was a fail. But like I said, our roster before the trade didn't have an above average QB either. Let's see how it plays out.

Says you but all the excuses you make for Bradford, Foles went through last year for 8 games and came out with better stats and a 6-2 record. At no point did he look as helpless as Bradford has in those 8 games last year.

You don't accidentally go 27-2. No one else in this offense did. There's exceptional in Foles and Kelly didn't want to work to get it.

And as for the trade, even if we get to a point where Bradford was as good as Foles, we still are out a 2nd, a 4th and paid $12 mil more than we had to this year. People want to complain about buying Murray, well Bradford made about $11 mil more than the QB we had. Pretty sure that could have kept a guy like Maclin here or got another WR.

All around its a mess and the only way it was "worth it" is if Bradford starts playing at a top 5 QB level. No sweat.

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

Foles and Bradford are pretty much playing on the same level right now. Add all of the drops (and touchdowns) to Bradford's stats and then compare the stats. You can also add the indisputable Jordan Matthews touchdown against Atlanta that Chip didn't challenge and gave to Ryan Matthews. And between the two, one has played in only three games in the last two years. I can see Bradford improving much more than I can see Foles. St Louis is seeing the Foles we saw last year. It doesn't improve. He is what he is.

And I'm not sure why you think Bradford needs to be a top 5 QB or it's a bust. That's just silly. If he's top ten, he's 10 notches above Foles and it was a great trade.

 

[Insein]

Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

We do? Because if you want to give Bradford a bad line excuse (which is false according to PFF, he's 5th least sacked and pressured), then how can you not say the same thing for Nick last year during his 8 games? He was injured twice and yet put up 2300 yds and had 13 TDs in those 8 games for a 6-2 record behind a line no worse than this one. Plus he was 2 years into the offense and would have been in his third this year for a helluva lot cheaper.The "gamble" was a bad one. Let's hope we can break even at least.

I think we've seen enough of Foles to know that he's certainly below the Flacco/Dalton/Palmer line. He peaked in 2013 and has gotten worse ever since. And perhaps Bradford will never get to that Flacco-level either. But we haven't seen him healthy long enough to know. He was certainly head and shoulders above Foles coming out of college. Now, obviously, that doesn't always translate to professional success, but since we only had average quarterbacks on the roster, I like that Kelly strived for more. I think Sanchez would have beaten out Foles had he stayed here. I think he's a better QB. And maybe he'll end up sending Bradford to the bench before the season's over. Then the gamble was a fail. But like I said, our roster before the trade didn't have an above average QB either. Let's see how it plays out.

Says you but all the excuses you make for Bradford, Foles went through last year for 8 games and came out with better stats and a 6-2 record. At no point did he look as helpless as Bradford has in those 8 games last year.You don't accidentally go 27-2. No one else in this offense did. There's exceptional in Foles and Kelly didn't want to work to get it.

And as for the trade, even if we get to a point where Bradford was as good as Foles, we still are out a 2nd, a 4th and paid $12 mil more than we had to this year. People want to complain about buying Murray, well Bradford made about $11 mil more than the QB we had. Pretty sure that could have kept a guy like Maclin here or got another WR.

All around its a mess and the only way it was "worth it" is if Bradford starts playing at a top 5 QB level. No sweat.

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.Foles and Bradford are pretty much playing on the same level right now. Add all of the drops (and touchdowns) to Bradford's stats and then compare the stats. You can also add the indisputable Jordan Matthews touchdown against Atlanta that Chip didn't challenge and gave to Ryan Matthews. And between the two, one has played in only three games in the last two years. I can see Bradford improving much more than I can see Foles. St Louis is seeing the Foles we saw last year. It doesn't improve. He is what he is.

And I'm not sure why you think Bradford needs to be a top 5 QB or it's a bust. That's just silly. If he's top ten, he's 10 notches above Foles and it was a great trade.

A great trade is getting the same level QB while giving up a 2nd, a 4th and the cap space to keep Maclin? I guess we differ on greatness. He needs to be better than Foles by a lot to make up for that. Even last year in Foles down year in which he got hurt in week 3) he was ranked 15th. Bradford is ranked 30th right now.And I know you're not stupid about how the cap works. All those complaining about having no WRs right now see $11 mil cap space used on a spot we "upgraded" at with hopes and dreams.

 

[JuniorNB]

Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

We do? Because if you want to give Bradford a bad line excuse (which is false according to PFF, he's 5th least sacked and pressured), then how can you not say the same thing for Nick last year during his 8 games? He was injured twice and yet put up 2300 yds and had 13 TDs in those 8 games for a 6-2 record behind a line no worse than this one. Plus he was 2 years into the offense and would have been in his third this year for a helluva lot cheaper.The "gamble" was a bad one. Let's hope we can break even at least.

I think we've seen enough of Foles to know that he's certainly below the Flacco/Dalton/Palmer line. He peaked in 2013 and has gotten worse ever since. And perhaps Bradford will never get to that Flacco-level either. But we haven't seen him healthy long enough to know. He was certainly head and shoulders above Foles coming out of college. Now, obviously, that doesn't always translate to professional success, but since we only had average quarterbacks on the roster, I like that Kelly strived for more. I think Sanchez would have beaten out Foles had he stayed here. I think he's a better QB. And maybe he'll end up sending Bradford to the bench before the season's over. Then the gamble was a fail. But like I said, our roster before the trade didn't have an above average QB either. Let's see how it plays out.

Says you but all the excuses you make for Bradford, Foles went through last year for 8 games and came out with better stats and a 6-2 record. At no point did he look as helpless as Bradford has in those 8 games last year.You don't accidentally go 27-2. No one else in this offense did. There's exceptional in Foles and Kelly didn't want to work to get it.

And as for the trade, even if we get to a point where Bradford was as good as Foles, we still are out a 2nd, a 4th and paid $12 mil more than we had to this year. People want to complain about buying Murray, well Bradford made about $11 mil more than the QB we had. Pretty sure that could have kept a guy like Maclin here or got another WR.

All around its a mess and the only way it was "worth it" is if Bradford starts playing at a top 5 QB level. No sweat.

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.Foles and Bradford are pretty much playing on the same level right now. Add all of the drops (and touchdowns) to Bradford's stats and then compare the stats. You can also add the indisputable Jordan Matthews touchdown against Atlanta that Chip didn't challenge and gave to Ryan Matthews. And between the two, one has played in only three games in the last two years. I can see Bradford improving much more than I can see Foles. St Louis is seeing the Foles we saw last year. It doesn't improve. He is what he is.

And I'm not sure why you think Bradford needs to be a top 5 QB or it's a bust. That's just silly. If he's top ten, he's 10 notches above Foles and it was a great trade.

A great trade is getting the same level QB while giving up a 2nd, a 4th and the cap space to keep Maclin? I guess we differ on greatness. He needs to be better than Foles by a lot to make up for that. Even last year in Foles down year in which he got hurt in week 3) he was ranked 15th. Bradford is ranked 30th right now.And I know you're not stupid about how the cap works. All those complaining about having no WRs right now see $11 mil cap space used on a spot we "upgraded" at with hopes and dreams.

I haven't complained about our receivers. I love Matthews and think he's going to be a top 7 or 8 receiver in the league by year's end.

And I didn't say it's a good trade if they're even. I said they're even right now if you add in all the should-be receptions that were dropped. I also said that Bradford has played three games in two years and has to be rusty. Foles doesn't have that excuse. He's just average. That's how he was last year. And that's how he'll be at the end of the year. And next year, if he even starts.

The bad line play is magnified for a QB coming off of two knee surgeries. It's all about comfort in the pocket, and if he's feeling pressure or seeing opponents closing in, it's unsettling. I'm sure it's just a matter of getting comfortable back there again. The decline of Peters and Johnson is mind boggling. I know Peters is no youngster, but he's been terrible. This is nowhere near the line they had the past two years.

 

[Skoo]

The line was nowhere near as bad last year as it was for the first 2 games of this season.

You shouldn't need PFF to tell you that. Anyone with a pair of eyes could see it.

 

[JuniorNB]

The line was nowhere near as bad last year as it was for the first 2 games of this season.

You shouldn't need PFF to tell you that. Anyone with a pair of eyes could see it.

This. Both running and pass protection. It's been terrible. Definitely not what a guy with two major knee injuries needs for feeling comfortable in the pocket.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The line was nowhere near as bad last year as it was for the first 2 games of this season.

You shouldn't need PFF to tell you that. Anyone with a pair of eyes could see it.

I agree 100% here. Our OL was historically bad the first 2 weeks. Never, at any point last season, did the OL look that bad

 

[Insein]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

 

[Skoo]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

Yeah, they were bad.

Just not nearly as bad as they were for the first 2 games this season. I don't think I've ever seen ANY o-line play as badly as they did against Dallas.

For a point of reference in regards to using PFF stats:

Aaron Rodgers, who went 24-for-35 for 333 yards, 5 TDs and 0 INTs, was given a -0.8 rating from PFF for his performance last night.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

Because that's what he started doing when pressured. He's still doing it in STL too.

Murray had what, 11 yards in 2 games? Not many QB's are overcoming the downs and distances Sam had to deal with...add the drops and its damn near impossible without penalties. The OL last year was bad but this years OL has been horrific

PFF was a cool little tool when everyone thought it was sabermetrics. Their system is ridiculously flawed and shouldn't be used for anything your eyes can see.

 

[Deamon]

Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

We do? Because if you want to give Bradford a bad line excuse (which is false according to PFF, he's 5th least sacked and pressured), then how can you not say the same thing for Nick last year during his 8 games? He was injured twice and yet put up 2300 yds and had 13 TDs in those 8 games for a 6-2 record behind a line no worse than this one. Plus he was 2 years into the offense and would have been in his third this year for a helluva lot cheaper.The "gamble" was a bad one. Let's hope we can break even at least.

The "gamble" was a good one even if we don't make the playoffs. No one can predict the future, and sometimes you need to go against the grain to win a title. Was Foles going to win us a title? Do you honestly think that? Whether Bradford was/wasn't is irrelevant when we're discussing if Foles was going to give us a title. But all your responses are just "better shot then Bradford"

We don't know the situation. How do you know Foles would have re-signed here? Maybe Murray wouldn't have came without Sam? Maybe Murray lights it up the rest of the season. Maybe without Sam, Murray wouldn't have came, and Mathews would have gotten hurt week 1 and we'd have no rb. As far fetched as they sound, we have no clue what chips would have fallen in what way. The thing is, Chip didn't want Foles. He wasn't happy with Foles. I don't care how good you want to talk FOles up, if our coach hates our QB, for whatever reason, then I don't want that combination on the team. He took a risk, you were on board with it for a while, now move on from Foles, it's over. Not all his moves are going to be genius, but many of his moves have turned out to be, and we are unarguably better now then when Chip took over.

You're a lot more interesting and fun to listen to when you're not in your pissed off state. Luckily for you, if we win a few games I'm confident you'll be happy and high fiving in here like you sometimes are. Let's hope that Insein returns. Comon we're potentially 1 week away from being tied for first in the div, there's a lot worse situations we could be in, such as dallas, nyg, and wash is.

 

[Deamon]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

Because that's what he started doing when pressured. He's still doing it in STL too.

Murray had what, 11 yards in 2 games? Not many QB's are overcoming the downs and distances Sam had to deal with...add the drops and its damn near impossible without penalties. The OL last year was bad but this years OL has been horrific

PFF was a cool little tool when everyone thought it was sabermetrics. Their system is ridiculously flawed and shouldn't be used for anything your eyes can see.

Ya i have no clue how people still use PFF rankings. Some of their stuff is just absurd.

 

[ShaHBucks]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

Because that's what he started doing when pressured. He's still doing it in STL too.

Murray had what, 11 yards in 2 games? Not many QB's are overcoming the downs and distances Sam had to deal with...add the drops and its damn near impossible without penalties. The OL last year was bad but this years OL has been horrific

PFF was a cool little tool when everyone thought it was sabermetrics. Their system is ridiculously flawed and shouldn't be used for anything your eyes can see.

You don't remember Shady's start to last season either.

 

[ShaHBucks]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

Remember the Skins game?

 

[Deamon]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

Remember the Skins game?

oh look shahbucks has a friend so he decided to stick around. Move on man, you'll be happier with your life when you pick a new team to cheer for that doesn't cause you so much anger.

 

[ShaHBucks]

We have a fan base that would rather have the media say we made the right moves and have system fits than actually win games. Now it's fine to not even be a better team after all of this. Unbelievable.

 

[Deamon]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

Because that's what he started doing when pressured. He's still doing it in STL too.

Murray had what, 11 yards in 2 games? Not many QB's are overcoming the downs and distances Sam had to deal with...add the drops and its damn near impossible without penalties. The OL last year was bad but this years OL has been horrific

PFF was a cool little tool when everyone thought it was sabermetrics. Their system is ridiculously flawed and shouldn't be used for anything your eyes can see.

You don't remember Shady's start to last season either.

Shady started off way better then this. 153 rushing yards in first two games for shady last year, vs 11 for Demarco this year. Good job.

 

[Deamon]

We have a fan base that would rather have the media say we made the right moves and have system fits than actually win games. Now it's fine to not even be a better team after all of this. Unbelievable.

Whats unbelievable is that you use the word "we" when you clearly would rather Foles outperform Bradford this year. If we don't make the playoffs again this year then I'll gladly admit that our roster moves were bad ones. If we win our div this year then you can (but stubbornly won't, and will find some excuse) can come in here and say the moves were good. Deal? That should give you even more reason to cheer against the Eagles this year.

 

[unckeyherb]

The line was nowhere near as bad last year as it was for the first 2 games of this season.

You shouldn't need PFF to tell you that. Anyone with a pair of eyes could see it.

exactly. I don't care what anyone says, the line play was atrocious.

 

[JuniorNB]

We have a fan base that would rather have the media say we made the right moves and have system fits than actually win games. Now it's fine to not even be a better team after all of this. Unbelievable.

The trades are done. You've made your opinion clear for seven months. As far as I know, there are no trade backs. So either go buy a Rams jersey and board the Foles train full time, or hope that the guys on the current roister gel and can make the playoffs. Your little troll act has gotten stale. If your goal is for Eagles fans to hate you more than they do Cowboy fans, you've succeeded. Congrats. And if you think Foles is proving your case with his 1-2 record on a team with twice the defense, then congrats again, I guess. Go Foles! Go McCoy! Go Maclin! Maybe you can get a combo jersey made up. Go back into hiding or become an actual fan, instead of an insufferable troll.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Sanchez was even warming up with his helmet on in the Jags game week 1.

 

[Insein]

Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

We do? Because if you want to give Bradford a bad line excuse (which is false according to PFF, he's 5th least sacked and pressured), then how can you not say the same thing for Nick last year during his 8 games? He was injured twice and yet put up 2300 yds and had 13 TDs in those 8 games for a 6-2 record behind a line no worse than this one. Plus he was 2 years into the offense and would have been in his third this year for a helluva lot cheaper.The "gamble" was a bad one. Let's hope we can break even at least.

The "gamble" was a good one even if we don't make the playoffs. No one can predict the future, and sometimes you need to go against the grain to win a title. Was Foles going to win us a title? Do you honestly think that? Whether Bradford was/wasn't is irrelevant when we're discussing if Foles was going to give us a title. But all your responses are just "better shot then Bradford"We don't know the situation. How do you know Foles would have re-signed here? Maybe Murray wouldn't have came without Sam? Maybe Murray lights it up the rest of the season. Maybe without Sam, Murray wouldn't have came, and Mathews would have gotten hurt week 1 and we'd have no rb. As far fetched as they sound, we have no clue what chips would have fallen in what way. The thing is, Chip didn't want Foles. He wasn't happy with Foles. I don't care how good you want to talk FOles up, if our coach hates our QB, for whatever reason, then I don't want that combination on the team. He took a risk, you were on board with it for a while, now move on from Foles, it's over. Not all his moves are going to be genius, but many of his moves have turned out to be, and we are unarguably better now then when Chip took over.

You're a lot more interesting and fun to listen to when you're not in your pissed off state. Luckily for you, if we win a few games I'm confident you'll be happy and high fiving in here like you sometimes are. Let's hope that Insein returns. Comon we're potentially 1 week away from being tied for first in the div, there's a lot worse situations we could be in, such as dallas, nyg, and wash is.

Yea I get it but I believe in Foles and get tired of the same excuses people killed Foles for being used for Sam. I just wonder what it would have looked like with Foles being in his third year with a healthy Maclin, Mathews maybe Agholar or maybe we use that pick on Oline and keep our 2nd round pick next year that could be used for... Oline.

Have we drafted an olinemen since 2013?

Yea I'm pissed right now and yes I'll be back on board when we start to win (which I think we could realistically win the next 4 games) but I just don't see what Chip saw in Bradford. I was "sold" on Bradford in the preseason after much reluctance. Just thought it was a waste unless it was his last ditch effort to get Mariota and now he's left with the aftermath.

 

[Insein]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

Remember the Skins game?

Yea I remember it. We had 54 yards Rushing and Foles went 325-3-0 with 68% and fired his team up leading them to a tough division win. But you know, he's a bum.

 

[Ash]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

Because that's what he started doing when pressured. He's still doing it in STL too.

Murray had what, 11 yards in 2 games? Not many QB's are overcoming the downs and distances Sam had to deal with...add the drops and its damn near impossible without penalties. The OL last year was bad but this years OL has been horrific

PFF was a cool little tool when everyone thought it was sabermetrics. Their system is ridiculously flawed and shouldn't be used for anything your eyes can see.

You don't remember Shady's start to last season either.

Shady started off way better then this. 153 rushing yards in first two games for shady last year, vs 11 for Demarco this year. Good job.

Shady had almost as much backfield penetration from defences to deal with as has happened so far this year. He was just much better at making the first guy miss and making his own yards than Murray has been.

Foles played behind a terrible line too and his good moments were better than Bradford's have been so far, but he did develop the bad habit of retreating and back foot throws which led to turnovers. The 6-2 record had more to do with defensive and ST scores though, than Foles.

I'm not crazy about the Bradford trade so far, mostly because of the draft pick, but there's plenty of time for it to work out if Bradford's game improves. My fear is that we see what we saw from him in St. Louis. A QB who can do everything you want, but whose skills somehow don't translate to his overall game and doesn't elevate the team around him. I'm hoping it's just rust and him getting comfortable and he blows up for the last 3/4 of the season.

 

[Insein]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

Because that's what he started doing when pressured. He's still doing it in STL too.

Murray had what, 11 yards in 2 games? Not many QB's are overcoming the downs and distances Sam had to deal with...add the drops and its damn near impossible without penalties. The OL last year was bad but this years OL has been horrific

PFF was a cool little tool when everyone thought it was sabermetrics. Their system is ridiculously flawed and shouldn't be used for anything your eyes can see.

You don't remember Shady's start to last season either.

Shady started off way better then this. 153 rushing yards in first two games for shady last year, vs 11 for Demarco this year. Good job.

I guess you conveniently left out weeks 3 and 4 where he rushed for 39 yards on 29 rushes behind a line very similar to the one we have now.

 

[ShaHBucks]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

Because that's what he started doing when pressured. He's still doing it in STL too.

Murray had what, 11 yards in 2 games? Not many QB's are overcoming the downs and distances Sam had to deal with...add the drops and its damn near impossible without penalties. The OL last year was bad but this years OL has been horrific

PFF was a cool little tool when everyone thought it was sabermetrics. Their system is ridiculously flawed and shouldn't be used for anything your eyes can see.

You don't remember Shady's start to last season either.

Shady started off way better then this. 153 rushing yards in first two games for shady last year, vs 11 for Demarco this year. Good job.

I guess you conveniently left out weeks 3 and 4 where he rushed for 39 yards on 29 rushes behind a line very similar to the one we have now.

I guess this makes you my boyfriend too

 

[ShaHBucks]

Maybe the real issue isn't the QBs at all. Perhaps a lot more resources should have been invested in the O-Line. Take away the 27 yard run from Matthews and he has 24 carries for 84 yards to go with Sproles 1.7 ypc on 11 totes. Murray isn't off the hook yet.

2013 line was amazing with records being shattered, 2014 line was banged up and everyone was meh, now they just aren't good though I think Sam has protection. At least last season we knew there were studs coming to save the day, while we were more than getting by. I don't see another gear waiting to be pushed here offensively. The offense looked as bad vs the Jets as it did all but two quarters vs ATL.

 

[Ash]

... Perhaps a lot more resources should have been invested in the O-Line. ...

Thank you. This is what I was saying all offseason. I think they've over invested in skill position players in both the draft and FA while the line has deteriorated from being great, to being an average unit at best with no depth and no young players developing.

I think things will gel a bit more run wise, and the protection has been good but this unit isn't a strength anymore and in a spread offense where they run 5 or 6 man protections and are without numbers help in the run game almost all the time it needs to be a strong unit to make the offense work.

 

[Deamon]

Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

We do? Because if you want to give Bradford a bad line excuse (which is false according to PFF, he's 5th least sacked and pressured), then how can you not say the same thing for Nick last year during his 8 games? He was injured twice and yet put up 2300 yds and had 13 TDs in those 8 games for a 6-2 record behind a line no worse than this one. Plus he was 2 years into the offense and would have been in his third this year for a helluva lot cheaper.The "gamble" was a bad one. Let's hope we can break even at least.

The "gamble" was a good one even if we don't make the playoffs. No one can predict the future, and sometimes you need to go against the grain to win a title. Was Foles going to win us a title? Do you honestly think that? Whether Bradford was/wasn't is irrelevant when we're discussing if Foles was going to give us a title. But all your responses are just "better shot then Bradford"We don't know the situation. How do you know Foles would have re-signed here? Maybe Murray wouldn't have came without Sam? Maybe Murray lights it up the rest of the season. Maybe without Sam, Murray wouldn't have came, and Mathews would have gotten hurt week 1 and we'd have no rb. As far fetched as they sound, we have no clue what chips would have fallen in what way. The thing is, Chip didn't want Foles. He wasn't happy with Foles. I don't care how good you want to talk FOles up, if our coach hates our QB, for whatever reason, then I don't want that combination on the team. He took a risk, you were on board with it for a while, now move on from Foles, it's over. Not all his moves are going to be genius, but many of his moves have turned out to be, and we are unarguably better now then when Chip took over.

You're a lot more interesting and fun to listen to when you're not in your pissed off state. Luckily for you, if we win a few games I'm confident you'll be happy and high fiving in here like you sometimes are. Let's hope that Insein returns. Comon we're potentially 1 week away from being tied for first in the div, there's a lot worse situations we could be in, such as dallas, nyg, and wash is.

Yea I get it but I believe in Foles and get tired of the same excuses people killed Foles for being used for Sam. I just wonder what it would have looked like with Foles being in his third year with a healthy Maclin, Mathews maybe Agholar or maybe we use that pick on Oline and keep our 2nd round pick next year that could be used for... Oline.

Have we drafted an olinemen since 2013?

Yea I'm pissed right now and yes I'll be back on board when we start to win (which I think we could realistically win the next 4 games) but I just don't see what Chip saw in Bradford. I was "sold" on Bradford in the preseason after much reluctance. Just thought it was a waste unless it was his last ditch effort to get Mariota and now he's left with the aftermath.

It's so easy to criticize in hindsight. If we were 3-0 and Bradford looked amazing, your thoughts would clearly be different. We get that some people wish we kept foles... we all know your opinions on it but isn't it kind of beating a dead horse? We can't go back in time, Chip isn't reading this board, what exactly are you getting out of it by coming in here and crying about missing Foles so much? He's gone, it's over, move on. Maybe it makes you guys sleep better at night being able to rush to a forum to complain about your team. Maybe you just like the argument. I'm not really sure what motivation you have to always say how much you miss a QB that isn't here, and never will be here again. If you aren't all in on chip, if you are 'off the chip band wagon' and hate him so much, then this probably isn't the team to cheer for. At least with you I think you are actually cheering for Bradford's success and I think you really really hope you're wrong... for others I can't say the same. Be weary about Bradford, but cheer for his success. In the end I hope you see that an eagles win is far better then an "I was right", so let's all cheer on this team (and that includes Bradford) together.

 

[Deamon]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

Because that's what he started doing when pressured. He's still doing it in STL too.

Murray had what, 11 yards in 2 games? Not many QB's are overcoming the downs and distances Sam had to deal with...add the drops and its damn near impossible without penalties. The OL last year was bad but this years OL has been horrific

PFF was a cool little tool when everyone thought it was sabermetrics. Their system is ridiculously flawed and shouldn't be used for anything your eyes can see.

You don't remember Shady's start to last season either.

Shady started off way better then this. 153 rushing yards in first two games for shady last year, vs 11 for Demarco this year. Good job.

I guess you conveniently left out weeks 3 and 4 where he rushed for 39 yards on 29 rushes behind a line very similar to the one we have now.

I was comparing the first 2 weeks with the first 2 weeks. Apples to Apples. I can't compare last years week 4 to a week 4 game we haven't even played yet.

And yes, week 3 shady had a bad game. Week 3 Demarco didn't even play. And it was a win, so who cares.

 

[Deamon]

Maybe the real issue isn't the QBs at all. Perhaps a lot more resources should have been invested in the O-Line. Take away the 27 yard run from Matthews and he has 24 carries for 84 yards to go with Sproles 1.7 ypc on 11 totes. Murray isn't off the hook yet.

2013 line was amazing with records being shattered, 2014 line was banged up and everyone was meh, now they just aren't good though I think Sam has protection. At least last season we knew there were studs coming to save the day, while we were more than getting by. I don't see another gear waiting to be pushed here offensively. The offense looked as bad vs the Jets as it did all but two quarters vs ATL.

Soooo... last year's line was "meh", this year's line "isn't good", yet this year's line is better then last year's. Argue its not the oline, then argue its the oline. You are really reaching and twisting your story in order to 'be right'. If you think our offense vs The Jets was AS BAD as our offense vs Dallas then you've reached a new low, even for you. Think it's time to just move to a new team to bash.

 

[GoBirds]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

Because that's what he started doing when pressured. He's still doing it in STL too.

Murray had what, 11 yards in 2 games? Not many QB's are overcoming the downs and distances Sam had to deal with...add the drops and its damn near impossible without penalties. The OL last year was bad but this years OL has been horrific

PFF was a cool little tool when everyone thought it was sabermetrics. Their system is ridiculously flawed and shouldn't be used for anything your eyes can see.

You don't remember Shady's start to last season either.

Shady started off way better then this. 153 rushing yards in first two games for shady last year, vs 11 for Demarco this year. Good job.

I guess you conveniently left out weeks 3 and 4 where he rushed for 39 yards on 29 rushes behind a line very similar to the one we have now.

I was comparing the first 2 weeks with the first 2 weeks. Apples to Apples. I can't compare last years week 4 to a week 4 game we haven't even played yet.

And yes, week 3 shady had a bad game. Week 3 Demarco didn't even play. And it was a win, so who cares.

Actually you can compare since McCoy is out this week. He hurt himself on Instagram and is in the process of being replaced a by a rookie.

 

[ShaHBucks]

... Perhaps a lot more resources should have been invested in the O-Line. ...

Thank you. This is what I was saying all offseason. I think they've over invested in skill position players in both the draft and FA while the line has deteriorated from being great, to being an average unit at best with no depth and no young players developing.

I think things will gel a bit more run wise, and the protection has been good but this unit isn't a strength anymore and in a spread offense where they run 5 or 6 man protections and are without numbers help in the run game almost all the time it needs to be a strong unit to make the offense work.

We can't move the ball vs Dallas then D. Freeman goes and look like Gale Sayers. You see another level here, ASH? Chip have something up his sleeve? If here is, I'm missing it.

 

[Insein]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

Because that's what he started doing when pressured. He's still doing it in STL too.

Murray had what, 11 yards in 2 games? Not many QB's are overcoming the downs and distances Sam had to deal with...add the drops and its damn near impossible without penalties. The OL last year was bad but this years OL has been horrific

PFF was a cool little tool when everyone thought it was sabermetrics. Their system is ridiculously flawed and shouldn't be used for anything your eyes can see.

You don't remember Shady's start to last season either.

Shady started off way better then this. 153 rushing yards in first two games for shady last year, vs 11 for Demarco this year. Good job.

I guess you conveniently left out weeks 3 and 4 where he rushed for 39 yards on 29 rushes behind a line very similar to the one we have now.

I was comparing the first 2 weeks with the first 2 weeks. Apples to Apples. I can't compare last years week 4 to a week 4 game we haven't even played yet.And yes, week 3 shady had a bad game. Week 3 Demarco didn't even play. And it was a win, so who cares.

You can compare apples to apples because the injuries happened in the first two weeks. Week 3 had the guys we are playing now minus Lane Johnson even.

 

[Insein]

Yeah it's really too bad we got rid of Nick Foles, dude is setting the world on fire over in St. Louis.

Would still rather have the potential of Bradford than Foles....that said it's just about time for him to put up or shut up.

This is what I've been saying. We know what Foles is. An average quarterback. One who, if playing his best, can lead us to possibly make the playoffs. Or barely miss. Someone better than Geno Smith, but not as good as the Flaccos, Daltons, and Palmers of the league.Bradford was a blue chipper with a gun for an arm. Then he got hurt. Twice. Chip rolled the dice that there is still untapped potential there. And he may fail in his gamble. But I don't want a coach who's satisfied with almost making the playoffs. Or getting there and go home after one game. The goal is to win a championship. And you're not doing it with a Foles vs Rodgers playoff game or Foles vs Brady Super Bowl.

We do? Because if you want to give Bradford a bad line excuse (which is false according to PFF, he's 5th least sacked and pressured), then how can you not say the same thing for Nick last year during his 8 games? He was injured twice and yet put up 2300 yds and had 13 TDs in those 8 games for a 6-2 record behind a line no worse than this one. Plus he was 2 years into the offense and would have been in his third this year for a helluva lot cheaper.The "gamble" was a bad one. Let's hope we can break even at least.

The "gamble" was a good one even if we don't make the playoffs. No one can predict the future, and sometimes you need to go against the grain to win a title. Was Foles going to win us a title? Do you honestly think that? Whether Bradford was/wasn't is irrelevant when we're discussing if Foles was going to give us a title. But all your responses are just "better shot then Bradford"We don't know the situation. How do you know Foles would have re-signed here? Maybe Murray wouldn't have came without Sam? Maybe Murray lights it up the rest of the season. Maybe without Sam, Murray wouldn't have came, and Mathews would have gotten hurt week 1 and we'd have no rb. As far fetched as they sound, we have no clue what chips would have fallen in what way. The thing is, Chip didn't want Foles. He wasn't happy with Foles. I don't care how good you want to talk FOles up, if our coach hates our QB, for whatever reason, then I don't want that combination on the team. He took a risk, you were on board with it for a while, now move on from Foles, it's over. Not all his moves are going to be genius, but many of his moves have turned out to be, and we are unarguably better now then when Chip took over.

You're a lot more interesting and fun to listen to when you're not in your pissed off state. Luckily for you, if we win a few games I'm confident you'll be happy and high fiving in here like you sometimes are. Let's hope that Insein returns. Comon we're potentially 1 week away from being tied for first in the div, there's a lot worse situations we could be in, such as dallas, nyg, and wash is.

Yea I get it but I believe in Foles and get tired of the same excuses people killed Foles for being used for Sam. I just wonder what it would have looked like with Foles being in his third year with a healthy Maclin, Mathews maybe Agholar or maybe we use that pick on Oline and keep our 2nd round pick next year that could be used for... Oline.Have we drafted an olinemen since 2013?

Yea I'm pissed right now and yes I'll be back on board when we start to win (which I think we could realistically win the next 4 games) but I just don't see what Chip saw in Bradford. I was "sold" on Bradford in the preseason after much reluctance. Just thought it was a waste unless it was his last ditch effort to get Mariota and now he's left with the aftermath.

It's so easy to criticize in hindsight. If we were 3-0 and Bradford looked amazing, your thoughts would clearly be different. We get that some people wish we kept foles... we all know your opinions on it but isn't it kind of beating a dead horse? We can't go back in time, Chip isn't reading this board, what exactly are you getting out of it by coming in here and crying about missing Foles so much? He's gone, it's over, move on. Maybe it makes you guys sleep better at night being able to rush to a forum to complain about your team. Maybe you just like the argument. I'm not really sure what motivation you have to always say how much you miss a QB that isn't here, and never will be here again. If you aren't all in on chip, if you are 'off the chip band wagon' and hate him so much, then this probably isn't the team to cheer for. At least with you I think you are actually cheering for Bradford's success and I think you really really hope you're wrong... for others I can't say the same. Be weary about Bradford, but cheer for his success. In the end I hope you see that an eagles win is far better then an "I was right", so let's all cheer on this team (and that includes Bradford) together.

The same way we criticised Andy for so many years. Andy was my favorite Eagles coach and I ripped him mercilessly when it called for it. When Chip makes bad decisions and they start to hurt the team then he deserves criticism.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Eagles v Redskins, always a game I circle on the calendar preseason.

A look at the Post today recapping some WAS injuries. I was aware of DJax (hammy) and Hall (toe) but had no idea how beat up the OLine was in DC.

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"...DeSean Jackson, cornerback Justin Rogers, left guard Shawn Lauvao, left guard Josh LeRibeus, right tackle Morgan Moses and linebacker Perry Riley.

Jackson, who is recovering from a left hamstring strain, was not spotted at Monday’s practice. Rogers (plantar fasciitis), Riley (calf strain) and LeRibeus (calf strain) were working off to the side during individual drills.

Colt McCoy was not participating in the open portion of Monday’s practice and Gruden acknowledged that the backup quarterback is dealing with an injury, though he would not comment any further.

Gruden also said cornerback DeAngelo Hall saw a foot specialist on Monday after spraining his right big toe in Thursday’s 32-21 loss to the New York Giants. Gruden said that Hall is still expected to be out three to four weeks.

The biggest concern for the Redskins right now is the health of the offensive line. Lauvao played just five snaps on Thursday after sustaining a lateral sprain in his left ankle. After the game, Gruden said he expected Lauvao to, “miss some time,” and he was not at Monday’s practice.

Moses, who was also absent from Monday’s session, played all 77 of the team’s offensive snaps on Thursday despite sustaining a mild MCL sprain in his right knee and hyperextending his elbow.

If Lauvao is in fact unable to play on Sunday against the Philadelphia Eagles, Gruden said rookie guard Arie Kouandjio or second-year guard Spencer Long will step in at left guard.

Neither player has been active in the Redskins’ first three games, but Gruden was optimistic about the depth on the offensive line.

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[Insein]

No reason we shouldn't roll them. Bradford needs to show something, anything. He needs to have a normal QB game at least. 250 yards, 2 TDs, no picks.

 

[ShaHBucks]

No reason we shouldn't roll them. Bradford needs to show something, anything. He needs to have a normal QB game at least. 250 yards, 2 TDs, no picks.

Seems reasonable.

 

[Mighty Mice]

No reason we shouldn't roll them. Bradford needs to show something, anything. He needs to have a normal QB game at least. 250 yards, 2 TDs, no picks.

Agreed (on paper). Vegas has PHI as a 3 point road favorite. But these division games are often troublesome. IMO last years late season loss to them seemed inexplicable before kickoff. IIRC 14 penalties and 3 or 4 turnovers, and we lost a road division game that essentially ended our playoff chances. Sorry if facts aren't exact, just going from memory and had a few by the 3rd Q. It was U-G-L-Y.

This week is a big moment in our season. A second straight road win and we even the record at 2-2, and even our division record at 1-1. With 7 home games left and a stretch where they don't play a road game in over a month ahead, just stay healthy and win. Don't care how and stats don't matter to me. No issues with the D and Special Teams doing the work (a la NYJ this last week) until Bradford/OLine/Receivers get in a rhythm.

Plenty of blame on all parties, but 2-2 places them in a good position considering the upcoming schedule and generally weak NFC East.

 

[Insein]

No reason we shouldn't roll them. Bradford needs to show something, anything. He needs to have a normal QB game at least. 250 yards, 2 TDs, no picks.

Agreed (on paper). Vegas has PHI as a 3 point road favorite. But these division games are often troublesome. IMO last years late season loss to them seemed inexplicable before kickoff. IIRC 14 penalties and 3 or 4 turnovers, and we lost a road division game that essentially ended our playoff chances. Sorry if facts aren't exact, just going from memory and had a few by the 3rd Q. It was U-G-L-Y.

This week is a big moment in our season. A second straight road win and we even the record at 2-2, and even our division record at 1-1. With 7 home games left and a stretch where they don't play a road game in over a month ahead, just stay healthy and win. Don't care how and stats don't matter to me. No issues with the D and Special Teams doing the work (a la NYJ this last week) until Bradford/OLine/Receivers get in a rhythm.

Plenty of blame on all parties, but 2-2 places them in a good position considering the upcoming schedule and generally weak NFC East.

No doubt we can f this up with how we played but this is supposed to be a gimme for our vaunted offense. Let's just do it.

 

[modogg]

You people have pretty short memories. This line is the line from early last year. Tobin, Molk, Gardner. They played most of the games. They were bad. Why do you think Foles backpedaled and got hurt?

the SF game may have been the worse. Foles would hike the ball and SF DL was on him with in a second or 2

 

[jasvic]

... Perhaps a lot more resources should have been invested in the O-Line. ...

Thank you. This is what I was saying all offseason. I think they've over invested in skill position players in both the draft and FA while the line has deteriorated from being great, to being an average unit at best with no depth and no young players developing.

I think things will gel a bit more run wise, and the protection has been good but this unit isn't a strength anymore and in a spread offense where they run 5 or 6 man protections and are without numbers help in the run game almost all the time it needs to be a strong unit to make the offense work.

We can't move the ball vs Dallas then D. Freeman goes and look like Gale Sayers.You see another level here, ASH? Chip have something up his sleeve? If here is, I'm missing it.

One thing that was missing until last week was any kind of option play. Was driving me crazy why it hasn't been used. And I don't mean Bradford running, I mean the package plays where he could either hand off or pull it back to pass, depending on the defense. This helps the run game as it can occupy a blocker, if just for a split second. I'm wondering if Bradford simply hasn't grasped the offense enough yet and that's part of the problem. He's thinking more than just playing and the entire playbook, as small as it is, hasn't been opened to him yet. You noticed how slow the pace was last week compared to last year, or even the first two weeks. I'm holding out hope that Bradford still has a chance to learn this offense, get comfortable in it, and then we'll see something. It's all I got.

 

[modogg]

... Perhaps a lot more resources should have been invested in the O-Line. ...

Thank you. This is what I was saying all offseason. I think they've over invested in skill position players in both the draft and FA while the line has deteriorated from being great, to being an average unit at best with no depth and no young players developing.

I think things will gel a bit more run wise, and the protection has been good but this unit isn't a strength anymore and in a spread offense where they run 5 or 6 man protections and are without numbers help in the run game almost all the time it needs to be a strong unit to make the offense work.

We can't move the ball vs Dallas then D. Freeman goes and look like Gale Sayers.You see another level here, ASH? Chip have something up his sleeve? If here is, I'm missing it.

One thing that was missing until last week was any kind of option play. Was driving me crazy why it hasn't been used. And I don't mean Bradford running, I mean the package plays where he could either hand off or pull it back to pass, depending on the defense. This helps the run game as it can occupy a blocker, if just for a split second. I'm wondering if Bradford simply hasn't grasped the offense enough yet and that's part of the problem. He's thinking more than just playing and the entire playbook, as small as it is, hasn't been opened to him yet. You noticed how slow the pace was last week compared to last year, or even the first two weeks. I'm holding out hope that Bradford still has a chance to learn this offense, get comfortable in it, and then we'll see something. It's all I got.

good points here. that would make me feel a little bit better. i'd like to go back and watch the 2nd half of that Atlanta game again, and figure out what they did there in those nice drives they had. they really seemed to be clicking in that 2nd half