*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (2 Viewers)

[ShaHBucks]

... Perhaps a lot more resources should have been invested in the O-Line. ...

Thank you. This is what I was saying all offseason. I think they've over invested in skill position players in both the draft and FA while the line has deteriorated from being great, to being an average unit at best with no depth and no young players developing.

I think things will gel a bit more run wise, and the protection has been good but this unit isn't a strength anymore and in a spread offense where they run 5 or 6 man protections and are without numbers help in the run game almost all the time it needs to be a strong unit to make the offense work.

We can't move the ball vs Dallas then D. Freeman goes and look like Gale Sayers.You see another level here, ASH? Chip have something up his sleeve? If here is, I'm missing it.

One thing that was missing until last week was any kind of option play. Was driving me crazy why it hasn't been used. And I don't mean Bradford running, I mean the package plays where he could either hand off or pull it back to pass, depending on the defense. This helps the run game as it can occupy a blocker, if just for a split second. I'm wondering if Bradford simply hasn't grasped the offense enough yet and that's part of the problem. He's thinking more than just playing and the entire playbook, as small as it is, hasn't been opened to him yet. You noticed how slow the pace was last week compared to last year, or even the first two weeks. I'm holding out hope that Bradford still has a chance to learn this offense, get comfortable in it, and then we'll see something. It's all I got.

good points here. that would make me feel a little bit better. i'd like to go back and watch the 2nd half of that Atlanta game again, and figure out what they did there in those nice drives they had. they really seemed to be clicking in that 2nd half

I think T. Suggs got rid of that package for us. Great point though.

 

[jasvic]

... Perhaps a lot more resources should have been invested in the O-Line. ...

Thank you. This is what I was saying all offseason. I think they've over invested in skill position players in both the draft and FA while the line has deteriorated from being great, to being an average unit at best with no depth and no young players developing.

I think things will gel a bit more run wise, and the protection has been good but this unit isn't a strength anymore and in a spread offense where they run 5 or 6 man protections and are without numbers help in the run game almost all the time it needs to be a strong unit to make the offense work.

We can't move the ball vs Dallas then D. Freeman goes and look like Gale Sayers.You see another level here, ASH? Chip have something up his sleeve? If here is, I'm missing it.

One thing that was missing until last week was any kind of option play. Was driving me crazy why it hasn't been used. And I don't mean Bradford running, I mean the package plays where he could either hand off or pull it back to pass, depending on the defense. This helps the run game as it can occupy a blocker, if just for a split second. I'm wondering if Bradford simply hasn't grasped the offense enough yet and that's part of the problem. He's thinking more than just playing and the entire playbook, as small as it is, hasn't been opened to him yet. You noticed how slow the pace was last week compared to last year, or even the first two weeks. I'm holding out hope that Bradford still has a chance to learn this offense, get comfortable in it, and then we'll see something. It's all I got.

good points here. that would make me feel a little bit better. i'd like to go back and watch the 2nd half of that Atlanta game again, and figure out what they did there in those nice drives they had. they really seemed to be clicking in that 2nd half

I think T. Suggs got rid of that package for us. Great point though.

And that worries me. If Chip lets something like that completely change his offense, then he isn't the guy we thought he was. I'm still leaning towards Bradford not having a full grasp or being comfortable in this offense yet. Like I said, it's the only hope I have that this team can turn it around and make some noise this year,

 

[ShaHBucks]

I'll take the Birds -3. I have 0 respect for Cousins.

26-16

 

[Ash]

One thing that was missing until last week was any kind of option play. Was driving me crazy why it hasn't been used. And I don't mean Bradford running, I mean the package plays where he could either hand off or pull it back to pass, depending on the defense. This helps the run game as it can occupy a blocker, if just for a split second. I'm wondering if Bradford simply hasn't grasped the offense enough yet and that's part of the problem. He's thinking more than just playing and the entire playbook, as small as it is, hasn't been opened to him yet. You noticed how slow the pace was last week compared to last year, or even the first two weeks. I'm holding out hope that Bradford still has a chance to learn this offense, get comfortable in it, and then we'll see something. It's all I got.

Agree, I keep thinking how much more creative Chip was in 2013, even though it was all new to the whole team not just the QB. Remember all the things he did with Jackson to scheme him open? Chip just seems to be in some kind of rut when it comes to the game plans and the play calling. They've gotten so bland.

Aside from all the things I listed previously have been missing, he also hasn't used the orbit motion as a technique to hold a backside defender. I'd also love to see a jet sweep to Sproles (or Agholor maybe, no one else has the quicks) both as a handoff and a fake to do the same thing.

The pace slowdown I think was out of consideration to the defense, but also trying to preserve the lead when the offense was sputtering. It was an adjustment I was happy to see.

 

[Deamon]

No reason we shouldn't roll them. Bradford needs to show something, anything. He needs to have a normal QB game at least. 250 yards, 2 TDs, no picks.

250 and 2/0 is a pretty solid game vs that D. Well Foles put up 150/1 vs Washington. So I guess we'll finally have our first direct comparison vs the same D and we can compare how Bradford/Foles did vs that Wash D. (I think we all know who some people in here will be cheering for to win that)

 

[Deamon]

No reason we shouldn't roll them. Bradford needs to show something, anything. He needs to have a normal QB game at least. 250 yards, 2 TDs, no picks.

Seems reasonable.

That would be almost double what Foles did vs Washington, but you think an inferior Bradford's reasonable expectations is to put up double the yards/td's than Foles.

Seems reasonable.

 

[Deamon]

I'll take the Birds -3. I have 0 respect for Cousins.

26-16

This is where you cover your ### so that if Bradford has a good game and Eagles win by close to this score, you can defend yourself by saying "oh hey I was right about the score, look at me". You pick Philly, and now all your bases are covered regardless of what happens, win or loss, you were right. Unbelievable.

 

[Rimez]

cousins outscores bradford in fantasy, eagles win anyway.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Hurricane Joaquin predicted to bring 12" of rain Saturday and/or Sunday. Could play havoc with the game at FedEx field (and other places). Emphasis on D, ST, and Running in the rain...

 

[ShaHBucks]

Hurricane Joaquin predicted to bring 12" of rain Saturday and/or Sunday. Could play havoc with the game at FedEx field (and other places). Emphasis on D, ST, and Running in the rain...

Sounds fun

 

[Insein]

No reason we shouldn't roll them. Bradford needs to show something, anything. He needs to have a normal QB game at least. 250 yards, 2 TDs, no picks.

250 and 2/0 is a pretty solid game vs that D. Well Foles put up 150/1 vs Washington. So I guess we'll finally have our first direct comparison vs the same D and we can compare how Bradford/Foles did vs that Wash D. (I think we all know who some people in here will be cheering for to win that)

Foles put up 325-3-0 against Washington last year and 298-0-0 in 2013. But yea with Fisher's crap offense he only put up 150.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Cooper is dead without Foles tendency to go deep. He doesn't work well with Bradford.

Say goodbye to Zach Ertz for the same reason.

Here is one I told you so for the peanut gallery. Ertz is a stiff

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

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This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

 

[ShaHBucks]

cousins outscores bradford in fantasy, eagles win anyway.

Skins are not an easy out. I wouldn't be shocked if they pull this one out and send Chip back to Oregon. Was has and O-line that only rivals the Cowboys in the div. The only issue is Cousins. One weeks he's solid, the next he kills you. Under pressure he's going to fail more times than not. If he gets time, maybe he can be Weeden-like.

 

[ShaHBucks]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

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This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

Don't mind him

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

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This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

But I also didn't want to get in the middle of the Deamon/JuniorNB vs. Insein/ShahBucks tag team cage match.

 

[Insein]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

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This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

But I also didn't want to get in the middle of the Deamon/JuniorNB vs. Insein/ShahBucks tag team cage match.

You'd be the guy to get the steel chair upside the head accidentally.

 

[ShaHBucks]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

But I also didn't want to get in the middle of the Deamon/JuniorNB vs. Insein/ShahBucks tag team cage match.

Too late. You're my new boyfriend

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

But I also didn't want to get in the middle of the Deamon/JuniorNB vs. Insein/ShahBucks tag team cage match.

I must admit this is a bizarre thread, I'm a Jets fan but pull for the Eagles as well since a few of my buddies are Eagles fans. It's so strange that people get attacked simply for expressing opinions (ON A MESSAGE BOARD) that aren't shaded in Eagles green. Being a fan of a team doesn't mean that you blindly have to agree with every move the team makes.

Sure on Sunday you still pull for the team even if they traded away a guy you loved or brought in a guy you hate (i.e Vick for both fan-bases) - but discussing the good and the bad during the week shouldn't be such a taboo. If not rename this thread the "Eagles Bonfire Rally" (a/k/a "Go Eagles Go") and just add some encouraging words and battle cries each week..

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

Because 100% of the time fans have no clue what the true ramifications are, budget plans for the team or positions, etc. It is one of the most talked about things that fans don't have a clue about. It's best to not worry about it and double that with the way we've handled the cap for like the past 20 years.

 

[ShaHBucks]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

Because 100% of the time fans have no clue what the true ramifications are, budget plans for the team or positions, etc. It is one of the most talked about things that fans don't have a clue about. It's best to not worry about it and double that with the way we've handled the cap for like the past 20 years.

The concept is simple. Cap and draftpicks are teams only means to acquiring players. Just like I don't have to know 100% of how to build a car to pull it off the lot. No need for the science behind it as a fan, but you can surely tell when a team f'd up paying/not paying someone.

 

[JuniorNB]

I think Bradford is the reason we win this week. I have a feeling the passing game is going to click. I'm seeing 275 and 2 TDs. With most of that coming in the first three quarters.

Eagles 27-13.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

Because 100% of the time fans have no clue what the true ramifications are, budget plans for the team or positions, etc. It is one of the most talked about things that fans don't have a clue about. It's best to not worry about it and double that with the way we've handled the cap for like the past 20 years.

The concept is simple. Cap and draftpicks are teams only means to acquiring players. Just like I don't have to know 100% of how to build a car to pull it off the lot. No need for the science behind it as a fan, but you can surely tell when a team f'd up paying/not paying someone.

A fans concept is simple and you can only tell in the future and often times when a player doesn't get paid what he "would have done" involves a fan's preconceived notion.

What do they say about hindsight again?

Saying a deal is bad at the time is often misguided and just a guess.

 

[JuniorNB]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

Because 100% of the time fans have no clue what the true ramifications are, budget plans for the team or positions, etc. It is one of the most talked about things that fans don't have a clue about. It's best to not worry about it and double that with the way we've handled the cap for like the past 20 years.

The concept is simple. Cap and draftpicks are teams only means to acquiring players. Just like I don't have to know 100% of how to build a car to pull it off the lot. No need for the science behind it as a fan, but you can surely tell when a team f'd up paying/not paying someone.

A fans concept is simple and you can only tell in the future and often times when a player doesn't get paid what he "would have done" involves a fan's preconceived notion.

What do they say about hindsight again?

Saying a deal is bad at the time is often misguided and just a guess.

The thing that surprised me was signing Ryan Matthews after signing Murray. Again, I don't get too caught up in salary cap management. It's not my money and I figure that there are people with more knowledge than me handling that stuff. But with Sproles already there, I thought they'd put that money on a offensive lineman. I see the logic, I guess. Keep rotating and keep the backs fresh. (or insurance for one of them missing a game like this past week). But it's a lot of money invested in one position.

Speaking of cap management, I'm glad that Bradford is playing out his contract before the Eagles have to make a decision on him. Good QBs are hard to find (as evident by the big contracts given to guys like Dalton and Cutler), so if the Eagles get QB play consistent with how Bradford played in the second half of the Atlanta game, I'm sure they'll sign him long term. Unfortunately, we haven't seen that since.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

Because 100% of the time fans have no clue what the true ramifications are, budget plans for the team or positions, etc. It is one of the most talked about things that fans don't have a clue about. It's best to not worry about it and double that with the way we've handled the cap for like the past 20 years.

The concept is simple. Cap and draftpicks are teams only means to acquiring players. Just like I don't have to know 100% of how to build a car to pull it off the lot. No need for the science behind it as a fan, but you can surely tell when a team f'd up paying/not paying someone.

A fans concept is simple and you can only tell in the future and often times when a player doesn't get paid what he "would have done" involves a fan's preconceived notion.

What do they say about hindsight again?

Saying a deal is bad at the time is often misguided and just a guess.

Every deal and contract in the NFL is a balance of risk vs. reward. No one has a crystal ball, but obviously some players are bigger risks than others, and it stands to reason that if you are going to take a big risk, you should be in position to reap a big reward. It is surprisingly easy in many cases to identify deals that are high-risk and low-reward - Bill Barnwell does it every season on Grantland (he singled out the Maxwell signing right after it happened as one example, and his assessment certainly looks accurate so far).

Sometimes these big-money deals work out ... Larry Fitzgerald has a massive cap hit for a 32-year-old WR, but nobody's talking about it because Fitz is tearing up the league. That doesn't make them good deals, it just means the team got lucky. Make one too many of these types of deals and sooner or later you become the Panthers, with tens of millions in dead money against your cap and your franchise QB throwing to four guys from the Arena League.

 

[fred_1_15301]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

Because 100% of the time fans have no clue what the true ramifications are, budget plans for the team or positions, etc. It is one of the most talked about things that fans don't have a clue about. It's best to not worry about it and double that with the way we've handled the cap for like the past 20 years.

The concept is simple. Cap and draftpicks are teams only means to acquiring players. Just like I don't have to know 100% of how to build a car to pull it off the lot. No need for the science behind it as a fan, but you can surely tell when a team f'd up paying/not paying someone.

A fans concept is simple and you can only tell in the future and often times when a player doesn't get paid what he "would have done" involves a fan's preconceived notion.

What do they say about hindsight again?

Saying a deal is bad at the time is often misguided and just a guess.

The thing that surprised me was signing Ryan Matthews after signing Murray. Again, I don't get too caught up in salary cap management. It's not my money and I figure that there are people with more knowledge than me handling that stuff. But with Sproles already there, I thought they'd put that money on a offensive lineman. I see the logic, I guess. Keep rotating and keep the backs fresh. (or insurance for one of them missing a game like this past week). But it's a lot of money invested in one position.

Speaking of cap management, I'm glad that Bradford is playing out his contract before the Eagles have to make a decision on him. Good QBs are hard to find (as evident by the big contracts given to guys like Dalton and Cutler), so if the Eagles get QB play consistent with how Bradford played in the second half of the Atlanta game, I'm sure they'll sign him long term. Unfortunately, we haven't seen that since.

If Bradford plays out of his mind from here on out, wouldn't he just test the free agency market? Would it really be easy for the Eagles to just sign him long term at that point? Perhaps he would because he likes to play in Chip's system but he may be able to get more on the open market from some scrub team. There are a lot of teams with crappy starting QBs.

 

[massraider]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

But I also didn't want to get in the middle of the Deamon/JuniorNB vs. Insein/ShahBucks tag team cage match.

I must admit this is a bizarre thread, I'm a Jets fan but pull for the Eagles as well since a few of my buddies are Eagles fans. It's so strange that people get attacked simply for expressing opinions (ON A MESSAGE BOARD) that aren't shaded in Eagles green. Being a fan of a team doesn't mean that you blindly have to agree with every move the team makes.

Sure on Sunday you still pull for the team even if they traded away a guy you loved or brought in a guy you hate (i.e Vick for both fan-bases) - but discussing the good and the bad during the week shouldn't be such a taboo. If not rename this thread the "Eagles Bonfire Rally" (a/k/a "Go Eagles Go") and just add some encouraging words and battle cries each week..

Just so I am clear on your position here:

You know some Eagles fans, but are really shocked to find them not playing well amongst themselves on an anonymous message board?

Is that a fair assessment of your stance? I want to know before I call you a bald-faced liar who has spent zero time among Philly fans.

 

[JuniorNB]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

Because 100% of the time fans have no clue what the true ramifications are, budget plans for the team or positions, etc. It is one of the most talked about things that fans don't have a clue about. It's best to not worry about it and double that with the way we've handled the cap for like the past 20 years.

The concept is simple. Cap and draftpicks are teams only means to acquiring players. Just like I don't have to know 100% of how to build a car to pull it off the lot. No need for the science behind it as a fan, but you can surely tell when a team f'd up paying/not paying someone.

A fans concept is simple and you can only tell in the future and often times when a player doesn't get paid what he "would have done" involves a fan's preconceived notion.

What do they say about hindsight again?

Saying a deal is bad at the time is often misguided and just a guess.

The thing that surprised me was signing Ryan Matthews after signing Murray. Again, I don't get too caught up in salary cap management. It's not my money and I figure that there are people with more knowledge than me handling that stuff. But with Sproles already there, I thought they'd put that money on a offensive lineman. I see the logic, I guess. Keep rotating and keep the backs fresh. (or insurance for one of them missing a game like this past week). But it's a lot of money invested in one position.

Speaking of cap management, I'm glad that Bradford is playing out his contract before the Eagles have to make a decision on him. Good QBs are hard to find (as evident by the big contracts given to guys like Dalton and Cutler), so if the Eagles get QB play consistent with how Bradford played in the second half of the Atlanta game, I'm sure they'll sign him long term. Unfortunately, we haven't seen that since.

If Bradford plays out of his mind from here on out, wouldn't he just test the free agency market? Would it really be easy for the Eagles to just sign him long term at that point? Perhaps he would because he likes to play in Chip's system but he may be able to get more on the open market from some scrub team. There are a lot of teams with crappy starting QBs.

Yeah, that could happen. That's a risk the Eagles are taking. But I think it's a smaller risk than signing him after two major injuries and just hoping he was the answer to running Chip's system. Hopefully, Bradford picks up the system, gets more comfortable and confident in the pocket, and is the right fit for this team. And signs for a realistic, cap friendly amount.

 

[Deamon]

cousins outscores bradford in fantasy, eagles win anyway.

Skins are not an easy out. I wouldn't be shocked if they pull this one out and send Chip back to Oregon.Was has and O-line that only rivals the Cowboys in the div. The only issue is Cousins. One weeks he's solid, the next he kills you. Under pressure he's going to fail more times than not. If he gets time, maybe he can be Weeden-like.

You predicted a 10 point victory yet the skins are 'not an easy out". You also in typical stubborn fashion, ignored all the points above that made you look bad and moved onto the next. Go away.

 

[Deamon]

No reason we shouldn't roll them. Bradford needs to show something, anything. He needs to have a normal QB game at least. 250 yards, 2 TDs, no picks.

250 and 2/0 is a pretty solid game vs that D. Well Foles put up 150/1 vs Washington. So I guess we'll finally have our first direct comparison vs the same D and we can compare how Bradford/Foles did vs that Wash D. (I think we all know who some people in here will be cheering for to win that)

Foles put up 325-3-0 against Washington last year and 298-0-0 in 2013. But yea with Fisher's crap offense he only put up 150.

Now we're comparing previous years? In that case may as well look at how Bradford fared with that awful rams offense vs the skins the last time they played in 2012. 300+ yards and 3 tds.

 

[Insein]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

Because 100% of the time fans have no clue what the true ramifications are, budget plans for the team or positions, etc. It is one of the most talked about things that fans don't have a clue about. It's best to not worry about it and double that with the way we've handled the cap for like the past 20 years.

The concept is simple. Cap and draftpicks are teams only means to acquiring players. Just like I don't have to know 100% of how to build a car to pull it off the lot. No need for the science behind it as a fan, but you can surely tell when a team f'd up paying/not paying someone.

A fans concept is simple and you can only tell in the future and often times when a player doesn't get paid what he "would have done" involves a fan's preconceived notion.

What do they say about hindsight again?

Saying a deal is bad at the time is often misguided and just a guess.

The thing that surprised me was signing Ryan Matthews after signing Murray. Again, I don't get too caught up in salary cap management. It's not my money and I figure that there are people with more knowledge than me handling that stuff. But with Sproles already there, I thought they'd put that money on a offensive lineman. I see the logic, I guess. Keep rotating and keep the backs fresh. (or insurance for one of them missing a game like this past week). But it's a lot of money invested in one position. Speaking of cap management, I'm glad that Bradford is playing out his contract before the Eagles have to make a decision on him. Good QBs are hard to find (as evident by the big contracts given to guys like Dalton and Cutler), so if the Eagles get QB play consistent with how Bradford played in the second half of the Atlanta game, I'm sure they'll sign him long term. Unfortunately, we haven't seen that since.

If Bradford plays out of his mind from here on out, wouldn't he just test the free agency market? Would it really be easy for the Eagles to just sign him long term at that point? Perhaps he would because he likes to play in Chip's system but he may be able to get more on the open market from some scrub team. There are a lot of teams with crappy starting QBs.

Franchise tag.

 

[Deamon]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

But I also didn't want to get in the middle of the Deamon/JuniorNB vs. Insein/ShahBucks tag team cage match.

I must admit this is a bizarre thread, I'm a Jets fan but pull for the Eagles as well since a few of my buddies are Eagles fans. It's so strange that people get attacked simply for expressing opinions (ON A MESSAGE BOARD) that aren't shaded in Eagles green. Being a fan of a team doesn't mean that you blindly have to agree with every move the team makes.

Sure on Sunday you still pull for the team even if they traded away a guy you loved or brought in a guy you hate (i.e Vick for both fan-bases) - but discussing the good and the bad during the week shouldn't be such a taboo. If not rename this thread the "Eagles Bonfire Rally" (a/k/a "Go Eagles Go") and just add some encouraging words and battle cries each week..

If you read most of the #### he posts in here you would disagree. Like bigboy said, there's a difference between criticizing moves and sounding bitter and full of hate. He has said that Chip will be in college next year, that's he's off the bandwagon, and he's over this #### team our coach has assembled. Yet refuses to stand by those words when asked about it. Just runs around it and only selectively responds to things that fit his agenda.

This week he is saying he won't be surprised if washington wins, that he could see them winning this game, but boasts a 10 point eagle win prediction. Either way he can be told he 'wasn't wrong" as he plays both sides of the coin. At least Insein cheers for our team.

 

[Deamon]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

Because 100% of the time fans have no clue what the true ramifications are, budget plans for the team or positions, etc. It is one of the most talked about things that fans don't have a clue about. It's best to not worry about it and double that with the way we've handled the cap for like the past 20 years.

The concept is simple. Cap and draftpicks are teams only means to acquiring players. Just like I don't have to know 100% of how to build a car to pull it off the lot. No need for the science behind it as a fan, but you can surely tell when a team f'd up paying/not paying someone.

A fans concept is simple and you can only tell in the future and often times when a player doesn't get paid what he "would have done" involves a fan's preconceived notion.

What do they say about hindsight again?

Saying a deal is bad at the time is often misguided and just a guess.

The thing that surprised me was signing Ryan Matthews after signing Murray. Again, I don't get too caught up in salary cap management. It's not my money and I figure that there are people with more knowledge than me handling that stuff. But with Sproles already there, I thought they'd put that money on a offensive lineman. I see the logic, I guess. Keep rotating and keep the backs fresh. (or insurance for one of them missing a game like this past week). But it's a lot of money invested in one position.

Speaking of cap management, I'm glad that Bradford is playing out his contract before the Eagles have to make a decision on him. Good QBs are hard to find (as evident by the big contracts given to guys like Dalton and Cutler), so if the Eagles get QB play consistent with how Bradford played in the second half of the Atlanta game, I'm sure they'll sign him long term. Unfortunately, we haven't seen that since.

If Bradford plays out of his mind from here on out, wouldn't he just test the free agency market? Would it really be easy for the Eagles to just sign him long term at that point? Perhaps he would because he likes to play in Chip's system but he may be able to get more on the open market from some scrub team. There are a lot of teams with crappy starting QBs.

Yeah, that could happen. That's a risk the Eagles are taking. But I think it's a smaller risk than signing him after two major injuries and just hoping he was the answer to running Chip's system. Hopefully, Bradford picks up the system, gets more comfortable and confident in the pocket, and is the right fit for this team. And signs for a realistic, cap friendly amount.

He'll be tagged if he plays out of his mind. And may realize he won't be as good outside of Chip's system (just like Foles). A long term deal is in his best interest unless he absolutely goes off.

 

[fred_1_15301]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

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This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

Because 100% of the time fans have no clue what the true ramifications are, budget plans for the team or positions, etc. It is one of the most talked about things that fans don't have a clue about. It's best to not worry about it and double that with the way we've handled the cap for like the past 20 years.

The concept is simple. Cap and draftpicks are teams only means to acquiring players. Just like I don't have to know 100% of how to build a car to pull it off the lot. No need for the science behind it as a fan, but you can surely tell when a team f'd up paying/not paying someone.

A fans concept is simple and you can only tell in the future and often times when a player doesn't get paid what he "would have done" involves a fan's preconceived notion.

What do they say about hindsight again?

Saying a deal is bad at the time is often misguided and just a guess.

The thing that surprised me was signing Ryan Matthews after signing Murray. Again, I don't get too caught up in salary cap management. It's not my money and I figure that there are people with more knowledge than me handling that stuff. But with Sproles already there, I thought they'd put that money on a offensive lineman. I see the logic, I guess. Keep rotating and keep the backs fresh. (or insurance for one of them missing a game like this past week). But it's a lot of money invested in one position. Speaking of cap management, I'm glad that Bradford is playing out his contract before the Eagles have to make a decision on him. Good QBs are hard to find (as evident by the big contracts given to guys like Dalton and Cutler), so if the Eagles get QB play consistent with how Bradford played in the second half of the Atlanta game, I'm sure they'll sign him long term. Unfortunately, we haven't seen that since.

If Bradford plays out of his mind from here on out, wouldn't he just test the free agency market? Would it really be easy for the Eagles to just sign him long term at that point? Perhaps he would because he likes to play in Chip's system but he may be able to get more on the open market from some scrub team. There are a lot of teams with crappy starting QBs.

Franchise tag.

ahh yes forgot about that.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

Because 100% of the time fans have no clue what the true ramifications are, budget plans for the team or positions, etc. It is one of the most talked about things that fans don't have a clue about. It's best to not worry about it and double that with the way we've handled the cap for like the past 20 years.

The concept is simple. Cap and draftpicks are teams only means to acquiring players. Just like I don't have to know 100% of how to build a car to pull it off the lot. No need for the science behind it as a fan, but you can surely tell when a team f'd up paying/not paying someone.

A fans concept is simple and you can only tell in the future and often times when a player doesn't get paid what he "would have done" involves a fan's preconceived notion.

What do they say about hindsight again?

Saying a deal is bad at the time is often misguided and just a guess.

Honestly, no one should be talking about anything then, based on this rationale.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

But I also didn't want to get in the middle of the Deamon/JuniorNB vs. Insein/ShahBucks tag team cage match.

Too late. You're my new boyfriend

 

[dhockster]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

Because 100% of the time fans have no clue what the true ramifications are, budget plans for the team or positions, etc. It is one of the most talked about things that fans don't have a clue about. It's best to not worry about it and double that with the way we've handled the cap for like the past 20 years.

The concept is simple. Cap and draftpicks are teams only means to acquiring players. Just like I don't have to know 100% of how to build a car to pull it off the lot. No need for the science behind it as a fan, but you can surely tell when a team f'd up paying/not paying someone.

A fans concept is simple and you can only tell in the future and often times when a player doesn't get paid what he "would have done" involves a fan's preconceived notion.

What do they say about hindsight again?

Saying a deal is bad at the time is often misguided and just a guess.

The thing that surprised me was signing Ryan Matthews after signing Murray. Again, I don't get too caught up in salary cap management. It's not my money and I figure that there are people with more knowledge than me handling that stuff. But with Sproles already there, I thought they'd put that money on a offensive lineman. I see the logic, I guess. Keep rotating and keep the backs fresh. (or insurance for one of them missing a game like this past week). But it's a lot of money invested in one position.

Speaking of cap management, I'm glad that Bradford is playing out his contract before the Eagles have to make a decision on him. Good QBs are hard to find (as evident by the big contracts given to guys like Dalton and Cutler), so if the Eagles get QB play consistent with how Bradford played in the second half of the Atlanta game, I'm sure they'll sign him long term. Unfortunately, we haven't seen that since.

If Bradford plays out of his mind from here on out, wouldn't he just test the free agency market? Would it really be easy for the Eagles to just sign him long term at that point? Perhaps he would because he likes to play in Chip's system but he may be able to get more on the open market from some scrub team. There are a lot of teams with crappy starting QBs.

They still could Franchise him. Then it would be in Bradford's best interest to sign a long-term deal (with his injury history).

 

[dhockster]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

Because 100% of the time fans have no clue what the true ramifications are, budget plans for the team or positions, etc. It is one of the most talked about things that fans don't have a clue about. It's best to not worry about it and double that with the way we've handled the cap for like the past 20 years.

The concept is simple. Cap and draftpicks are teams only means to acquiring players. Just like I don't have to know 100% of how to build a car to pull it off the lot. No need for the science behind it as a fan, but you can surely tell when a team f'd up paying/not paying someone.

A fans concept is simple and you can only tell in the future and often times when a player doesn't get paid what he "would have done" involves a fan's preconceived notion.

What do they say about hindsight again?

Saying a deal is bad at the time is often misguided and just a guess.

The thing that surprised me was signing Ryan Matthews after signing Murray. Again, I don't get too caught up in salary cap management. It's not my money and I figure that there are people with more knowledge than me handling that stuff. But with Sproles already there, I thought they'd put that money on a offensive lineman. I see the logic, I guess. Keep rotating and keep the backs fresh. (or insurance for one of them missing a game like this past week). But it's a lot of money invested in one position.

Speaking of cap management, I'm glad that Bradford is playing out his contract before the Eagles have to make a decision on him. Good QBs are hard to find (as evident by the big contracts given to guys like Dalton and Cutler), so if the Eagles get QB play consistent with how Bradford played in the second half of the Atlanta game, I'm sure they'll sign him long term. Unfortunately, we haven't seen that since.

If Bradford plays out of his mind from here on out, wouldn't he just test the free agency market? Would it really be easy for the Eagles to just sign him long term at that point? Perhaps he would because he likes to play in Chip's system but he may be able to get more on the open market from some scrub team. There are a lot of teams with crappy starting QBs.

They still could Franchise him. Then it would be in Bradford's best interest to sign a long-term deal (with his injury history).

Sorry, missed all the other posts that said franchise him.

 

[The Noid]

This guy catches like our WR's & RB's (and Malcolm Jenkins.)

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/fan-gets-three-chances-at-foul-balls-fails-each-time-092915

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Why is Bradford having a press conference today?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

A fans concept is simple and you can only tell in the future and often times when a player doesn't get paid what he "would have done" involves a fan's preconceived notion.

What do they say about hindsight again?

Saying a deal is bad at the time is often misguided and just a guess.

Honestly, no one should be talking about anything then, based on this rationale.

I wouldn't go that far. Some things are easier to understand than others and that information is readily available if needed. The workings of a GM and how they go about making deals, budgets etc are something that's often discussed but fans know little to nothing about.

 

[Deamon]

Kiko's second opinion on his ACL deemed it intact! That's huge. Sounds like he will only miss about 4 weeks.

 

[Deamon]

Jordan Matthews chimes in:

"The biggest thing I hate is that he gets so much of the blame for the problems with the passing game. That's unfair and it's not true. We have to go out there and make plays for him. That's what helps get him going. He's putting it on us. We have to go out there and do it.

"I know it kind of goes with the job of quarterback, but at the same time, when you turn on the film, we see the game differently than everybody else. We turn on the film and we're saying, 'Man, we could've gotten open for him there. We could've created better separation. We could've caught the ball. But people look at the numbers and say it's all his fault. We've got to go out there and help him out. And we're going to do that.

"It's early, we still have a lot of games left to play. Nobody's panicking. Nobody's going, 'Oh, no. We can't throw the ball.' We know we're going to be a great passing team. We know we have to go out there and help Sam."

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The money will mean something to me when it comes out of my pocket.

.

This is a shortsighted argument in a salary cap league. Money spent on one player is money that can't be spent somewhere else.

I also don't understand why people wouldn't care about this when analyzing an NFL team. Most any move that you want to praise or criticize needs to take cap ramifications into account.

But I also didn't want to get in the middle of the Deamon/JuniorNB vs. Insein/ShahBucks tag team cage match.

I must admit this is a bizarre thread, I'm a Jets fan but pull for the Eagles as well since a few of my buddies are Eagles fans. It's so strange that people get attacked simply for expressing opinions (ON A MESSAGE BOARD) that aren't shaded in Eagles green. Being a fan of a team doesn't mean that you blindly have to agree with every move the team makes.

Sure on Sunday you still pull for the team even if they traded away a guy you loved or brought in a guy you hate (i.e Vick for both fan-bases) - but discussing the good and the bad during the week shouldn't be such a taboo. If not rename this thread the "Eagles Bonfire Rally" (a/k/a "Go Eagles Go") and just add some encouraging words and battle cries each week..

Just so I am clear on your position here:

You know some Eagles fans, but are really shocked to find them not playing well amongst themselves on an anonymous message board?

Is that a fair assessment of your stance? I want to know before I call you a bald-faced liar who has spent zero time among Philly fans.

No. My "stance" is the bolded text. And it's not my face that's bald.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Kiko's second opinion on his ACL deemed it intact! That's huge. Sounds like he will only miss about 4 weeks.

#sportsscience

 

[babydemon90]

I'll take the Birds -3. I have 0 respect for Cousins.

26-16

Right, what's he going to do, throw for 427 yards and 3 TD's against us?

 

[unckeyherb]

I'll take the Birds -3. I have 0 respect for Cousins.

26-16

Right, what's he going to do, throw for 427 yards and 3 TD's against us?

 

[G-King]

No reason we shouldn't roll them. Bradford needs to show something, anything. He needs to have a normal QB game at least. 250 yards, 2 TDs, no picks.

250 and 2/0 is a pretty solid game vs that D. Well Foles put up 150/1 vs Washington. So I guess we'll finally have our first direct comparison vs the same D and we can compare how Bradford/Foles did vs that Wash D. (I think we all know who some people in here will be cheering for to win that)

Man this dude can't let it go? Stop whining, your killing a decent discussion.

 

[Deamon]

No reason we shouldn't roll them. Bradford needs to show something, anything. He needs to have a normal QB game at least. 250 yards, 2 TDs, no picks.

250 and 2/0 is a pretty solid game vs that D. Well Foles put up 150/1 vs Washington. So I guess we'll finally have our first direct comparison vs the same D and we can compare how Bradford/Foles did vs that Wash D. (I think we all know who some people in here will be cheering for to win that)

Man this dude can't let it go? Stop whining, your killing a decent discussion.

hahaha. You should see others in here and their whining/ability to let our ex-qb go.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Hurricane Joaquin predicted to bring 12" of rain Saturday and/or Sunday. Could play havoc with the game at FedEx field (and other places). Emphasis on D, ST, and Running in the rain...

Contingency plans in place per NFL... move to MNF? Bye week rearrangement? Or, just play on Sunday at 1...time will tell.

ETA sorry, just saw this has its own thread.