*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (2 Viewers)

[dhockster]

Look I am not advocating pulling Bradford.....yet. But saying people are ridiculous for considering going to Sanchez is not accurate. Consider:

Bradford: 6 starts in this offense, 63.2% Comp. pct, 9 TD's, 9 Ints, 6.8 Y/A, 80.0 QB Rating

Sanchez: 8 starts in this offense, 64.1% Comp. pct, 14 TD's, 11 Ints, 7.8 Y/A, 88.4 QB Rating

So they are performing pretty similar, with Sanchez having slightly better statistics. Perhaps since Sanchez has been in the offense a year longer, he will step it up sooner than Bradford. I don't know. But I think up to now, Sanchez throws a better deep ball in this offense which it needs. Bradford's 3 redzone ints in the last 3 weeks have all been underthrown, and the Cooper TD last night was also underthrown which almost led to it being incomplete or intercepted.

Bradford is the QB for now, but I don't think we are really downgrading if we go to Sanchez.

Let's be honest, those 9 interceptions are misleading. The one against Atlanta was a perfectly thrown ball that went through Matthews's hands and into the defenders to end the game. That's not on Bradford. And last night, Cooper mysteriously decided to do just stop running. It was basically a fair catch for the defender.

But I like the stats you posted. Bradford is playing 'horribly' and his stats are nearly identical to Sanchez, who you all seem to think was good last year. That's my point. We know what Sanchez is. He's not getting any better. That's what he is. We don't know what Bradford might become once he's more familiar with the offense and gets more confident with his health. Maybe this is it. Maybe Bradford doesn't improve. Then we don't resign him. But he's as good right now as Sanchez is. So what would be the point of making a switch and not improve?

Why? Because he has started 2 more in this offense then Bradford? Those 2 games solidified that he is who he is?

So by that logic, if Bradford plays the same in the next 2 games, we know who he is?

Or do both QB's still have room to grow in this offense since they have only played half a season in it?

I repeat, I don't think we should go to Sanchez right now, and Chip will not go to Sanchez right now. But based on last night, I don't think Bradford has turned any sort of corner yet, other than he is at least trying the deep throws. His interceptions the last 2 games, other than the one where Cooper stopped running were all on Bradford, and 3 out of those 4 cost the Eagles points. It's not just the quantity of interceptions but the quality, and Sam is throwing ints. at the worst possible times.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Strength of Remaining Schedule (profootballreference.com)

1) NE - 15.5

2) ARI - 12.1

3) NYJ - 10.7

4) PIT - 9.4

5) PHI - 8.9

6) CIN - 8.5

7) ATL - 6.9

8) GNB - 6.8

9) NYG - 2.9

10) BUF - 2.8

Especially nice stretch of @DAL, MIA, TB, @DET weeks 9-12 after the week 8 bye.

 

[Amused to Death]

Miserable - you seem to have done a great job pouting like a child because I mentioned that the team was overrated. Fact junior.

Two weeks ago they were the laughingstock of the league, now they're overrated?

By whom exactly?

Surely not Eagles fans. We know what we have.

You know what you have. Others don't. Overrated from the pre-season consensus.

Who is overrating this team that you need to come in here and set us straight? Preseason had the national media/Vegas had them basically as a 2nd tier NFC team. They clearly haven't started off as such. Are there still Eagles fans somewhere talking Super Bowl? Pretty sure everyone in this thread knows what we have. Some have faith the QB can/might turn it around; others not as confident. Pretty typical for a fanbase, no?

 

[Deamon]

Did he really say the Eagles o-line is a top five unit in the league?

Yes, but to his credit he's also let us know we shouldn't get too excited because our team sucks. Or something.

Apparently - other FF sites were not alone in their assessment:

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=OLpreseason2015

Hahahaha you're showing our ranking with Mathis still in the lineup. A PRESEASON ranking.

Yes, preseason i would have also said we are top 5. First few weeks our oline has been playing BOTTOM 5.

Has been playing or were playing BOTTOM 5? Again - OL takes the pie in the face from lousy QB play.

WERE playing bottom 5. Since they have stepped it up, we have been winning games. They were a huge part of the issue.

I'm not talking about lousy QB play... look at our run game. The oline couldn't run block to save their life in the first two weeks. Look at our rushing yards the first 2 weeks compared to rest of the season. We are 0-3 when rushing under 90 yards, and 3-0 when rushing over.... THAT is on the oline.

 

[Deamon]

Miserable - you seem to have done a great job pouting like a child because I mentioned that the team was overrated. Fact junior.

Two weeks ago they were the laughingstock of the league, now they're overrated?

By whom exactly?

Surely not Eagles fans. We know what we have.

You know what you have. Others don't. Overrated from the pre-season consensus.

Who is overrating this team that you need to come in here and set us straight? Preseason had the national media/Vegas had them basically as a 2nd tier NFC team. They clearly haven't started off as such. Are there still Eagles fans somewhere talking Super Bowl? Pretty sure everyone in this thread knows what we have. Some have faith the QB can/might turn it around; others not as confident. Pretty typical for a fanbase, no?

I wouldn't remotely call our fanbase "typical"

But yes, no one in this thread is really saying we are going to win a super bowl this year. I'm probably the most optimistic one in here and I think we are in for a 9 win season and hope that's enough to get us into the playoffs and then we'll see what happens. If others are overrating them, then maybe you should be telling the OTHERS that they are wrong if it makes you feel good to do that? Don't think anyone in here came to your thread and poked the bear (pun intended) on this one.

 

[JuniorNB]

Miserable - you seem to have done a great job pouting like a child because I mentioned that the team was overrated. Fact junior.

Two weeks ago they were the laughingstock of the league, now they're overrated?

By whom exactly?

Surely not Eagles fans. We know what we have.

You know what you have. Others don't. Overrated from the pre-season consensus.

As I said before, there was a bit of buzz after the way Bradford and the Eagles dismantled Green Bay in the first half of the week three preseason game. Up until then, this team was not in any Super Bowl conversations. It was more of a curiosity.

Sounds to me, judging by the Eagles on your fantasy team, that you fell for the hype and got burned. That's on you, Son. There were no Eagle fans talking championship. We were hoping our roster moves worked out and we made the playoffs this year, since we didn't last year.

Get better at drafting instead of coming here like a little girl who found out there's no Santa.

 

[Late225]

Power Monster sounds horrible.

 

[JuniorNB]

Power Monster sounds horrible.

A bitter Bears fan. Still says "Daaa Bears" and has a satin Ditka jacket. Poor fella

 

[ShaHBucks]

Take this with a grain of salt because I started Bradford in a few spots....

I start Sanchez now. Bradford is a backup level QB with no soul. I thought he was turning a corner over the past two weeks, but this is who he is. The red zone ints are real. When the field shrinks he's making stupid throws that would be TDs if thrown better or that shouldn't be thrown at all. Even the TD to Cooper was a terrible throw. This was against (previously) the worse passing defense in the league, without their top CB. He should have been amazing last night(pause) giving the circumstances. Instead, he was the worst QB of he week.

I'm sure there will be emotion reactions without even consider what I say, but the Eagles don't owe Bradford anything after this year. He's not re-signing here. Based on Sanchez last year and Bradford this year, I make the change now. I don't care about the win streak. I think we're getting close to seeing Sanchez, guys.

By the bolded logic we shouldn't have been able to run the ball against the NFL's #1 run defense and Murray should have had around 50 yards etc.

I'm not sold on Sam but as Ive stated above I don't think we've seen his best and wont until after the bye. There are so many correctable plays I see every game that makes me believe he can only go up.

A TON will want Sanchez until they watch him and than it will be something else....

I don't see how Murray running the ball disproves anything. That's another conversation. Credit to the "bottom-5" line we have. Bradford has been bad. He's play 4 teams ranked in/near the bottom half of the league http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef what do you see happening in the playoffs?

There is 5 years worth of information on his play in the NFL. Even I thought he was getting revved up statistically in weeks 4-5 throwing for 5TD/2INTs with 300+ y/gm. It wasn't perfect by any means, but perhaps some things were clicking. He's not turning a corner. It is what it is. Even a bump in play would lead to average at best. I don't see any logical evidence to defend him. Hope? sure.

The vibe Bradford gives off is just not good. Why should he gaf anyway? He's rich and won't be here next season. Give me a limited Mark Sanchez vs a limited Sam Bradford. The offense would at least have much more momentum. Thinking Bradford has upside still is one thing, but to say he's a better QB than Sanchez now is another.

All of the Bradford optimism needs to be sent to the defense. They were awesome.

 

[Deamon]

Take this with a grain of salt because I started Bradford in a few spots....

I start Sanchez now. Bradford is a backup level QB with no soul. I thought he was turning a corner over the past two weeks, but this is who he is. The red zone ints are real. When the field shrinks he's making stupid throws that would be TDs if thrown better or that shouldn't be thrown at all. Even the TD to Cooper was a terrible throw. This was against (previously) the worse passing defense in the league, without their top CB. He should have been amazing last night(pause) giving the circumstances. Instead, he was the worst QB of he week.

I'm sure there will be emotion reactions without even consider what I say, but the Eagles don't owe Bradford anything after this year. He's not re-signing here. Based on Sanchez last year and Bradford this year, I make the change now. I don't care about the win streak. I think we're getting close to seeing Sanchez, guys.

By the bolded logic we shouldn't have been able to run the ball against the NFL's #1 run defense and Murray should have had around 50 yards etc.

I'm not sold on Sam but as Ive stated above I don't think we've seen his best and wont until after the bye. There are so many correctable plays I see every game that makes me believe he can only go up.

A TON will want Sanchez until they watch him and than it will be something else....

I don't see how Murray running the ball disproves anything. That's another conversation. Credit to the "bottom-5" line we have.Bradford has been bad. He's play 4 teams ranked in/near the bottom half of the league http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef what do you see happening in the playoffs?

There is 5 years worth of information on his play in the NFL. Even I thought he was getting revved up statistically in weeks 4-5 throwing for 5TD/2INTs with 300+ y/gm. It wasn't perfect by any means, but perhaps some things were clicking. He's not turning a corner. It is what it is. Even a bump in play would lead to average at best. I don't see any logical evidence to defend him. Hope? sure.

The vibe Bradford gives off is just not good. Why should he gaf anyway? He's rich and won't be here next season. Give me a limited Mark Sanchez vs a limited Sam Bradford. The offense would at least have much more momentum. Thinking Bradford has upside still is one thing, but to say he's a better QB than Sanchez now is another.

All of the Bradford optimism needs to be sent to the defense. They were awesome.

That one time you said you were out.

 

[Billy Bats]

People in here complain about him when he has a good game and loses, and say 'the only thing that matters is the W, not his stats. If we didn't win, he didn't do enough"... yet when he wins, THEN his play becomes more important then the W?

When has any of that happened? Especially the good game and loses part.

 

[Billy Bats]

I'm tempted to ignore simply to stop the cascading threads.

[#10127] You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day.

STAHP!!!!! ALL OF YAS!!!!

 

[Deamon]

People in here complain about him when he has a good game and loses, and say 'the only thing that matters is the W, not his stats. If we didn't win, he didn't do enough"... yet when he wins, THEN his play becomes more important then the W?

When has any of that happened?

Skins game and Giants game.

 

[Sabertooth]

So how did Demarco actually look? I didn't get the opportunity to watch much of the game. I was kind of shocked to see he's actually RB9 in my PPR league. Here I was thinking he was struggling but that's RB1 numbers obviously. It almost looks like weeks 2-4 might have been the anomaly. Love his schedule down the stretch with 4 bottom third rush defenses in a row weeks 10-13.

 

[Insein]

So how did Demarco actually look? I didn't get the opportunity to watch much of the game. I was kind of shocked to see he's actually RB9 in my PPR league. Here I was thinking he was struggling but that's RB1 numbers obviously. It almost looks like weeks 2-4 might have been the anomaly. Love his schedule down the stretch with 4 bottom third rush defenses in a row weeks 10-13.

He looked good. Ran angry. Got a good head of steam. They threw the ball a lot with him in there too so I don't think the defense can ter off anymore. There were a few read options that Bradford should have kept that Murray lost yards on but otherwise this was Murray's best game as an Eagle easily.

 

[ShaHBucks]

So how did Demarco actually look? I didn't get the opportunity to watch much of the game. I was kind of shocked to see he's actually RB9 in my PPR league. Here I was thinking he was struggling but that's RB1 numbers obviously. It almost looks like weeks 2-4 might have been the anomaly. Love his schedule down the stretch with 4 bottom third rush defenses in a row weeks 10-13.

He looked good. Ran angry. Got a good head of steam. They threw the ball a lot with him in there too so I don't think the defense can ter off anymore. There were a few read options that Bradford should have kept that Murray lost yards on but otherwise this was Murray's best game as an Eagle easily.

I might as well finish my Eagles bashing. Murray looks sad to me. Most of the game he's either out out or taking negative carries. He got a chuck of yards late in the game when NYG wore down and was out of it. Second game in a row he's done this. It works for FF so w/e. Is it sustainable? Idk. He goes as far as the line takes him.

 

[GoBirds]

As a Shady owner, I'm actually glad he got traded. It's hard to watch the Eagle right now.

Funny how what seemed to be a death Knell just a few months ago is actually a good thing. THis Eagles o-line is dysfunctional and the injuries are going to put it over the edge.

Too bad he's already clocked out after receiving the new deal huh?

Demarcco Murray has 47 rushing yards this year.

I would take Ryan Mathews over both.

A McCoy/Mathews backfield would be pretty good. Especially since McCoy is perfect for the system Chip runs, really helped out the O-Line. Good thing he was chased out of town.

I hope ragging on the Eagles/Kelly is making your day. Before you get too excited, though, just remember that Jay "we can't control penalties" Gruden is still the Redskins coach.

Ahh, so we are on to the "Oh yeah, well you suck more!" arguments. Good times, hopefully Chip remains in control of player personnel. That alone should ensure 4th place for you guys for years.

ETA: Also just some good natured ribbing after a division game. No more than most of you would be if it went the other way.

 

[modogg]

So how did Demarco actually look? I didn't get the opportunity to watch much of the game. I was kind of shocked to see he's actually RB9 in my PPR league. Here I was thinking he was struggling but that's RB1 numbers obviously. It almost looks like weeks 2-4 might have been the anomaly. Love his schedule down the stretch with 4 bottom third rush defenses in a row weeks 10-13.

He looked good. Ran angry. Got a good head of steam. They threw the ball a lot with him in there too so I don't think the defense can ter off anymore. There were a few read options that Bradford should have kept that Murray lost yards on but otherwise this was Murray's best game as an Eagle easily.

I might as well finish my Eagles bashing. Murray looks sad to me. Most of the game he's either out out or taking negative carries. He got a chuck of yards late in the game when NYG wore down and was out of it. Second game in a row he's done this.It works for FF so w/e. Is it sustainable? Idk. He goes as far as the line takes him.

wait, he looks sad? i'm not sure i have ever heard that description of a football player before. he looked better last night and has looked good in spurts. he will have more games like this if the OL continues to improve and hopefully gets healthier (Peters worries me if he can make it all year). our depth at OL isn't great, so this is a concern, but Murray is looking better and it is obvious the sweep plays and plays out of shotgun are not great

 

[Insein]

The bye really could not come at a better time. They need to take a whole week off to let their bodies recover some. Just gotta make it through Carolina and hopefully gut out a win. I don't care how ugly it is.

 

[JuniorNB]

I hope Chip buys Demarco a puppy during bye week. So he's not sad anymore.

 

[renesauz]

Take this with a grain of salt because I started Bradford in a few spots....

I start Sanchez now. Bradford is a backup level QB with no soul. I thought he was turning a corner over the past two weeks, but this is who he is. The red zone ints are real. When the field shrinks he's making stupid throws that would be TDs if thrown better or that shouldn't be thrown at all. Even the TD to Cooper was a terrible throw. This was against (previously) the worse passing defense in the league, without their top CB. He should have been amazing last night(pause) giving the circumstances. Instead, he was the worst QB of he week.

I'm sure there will be emotion reactions without even consider what I say, but the Eagles don't owe Bradford anything after this year. He's not re-signing here. Based on Sanchez last year and Bradford this year, I make the change now. I don't care about the win streak. I think we're getting close to seeing Sanchez, guys.

By the bolded logic we shouldn't have been able to run the ball against the NFL's #1 run defense and Murray should have had around 50 yards etc.

I'm not sold on Sam but as Ive stated above I don't think we've seen his best and wont until after the bye. There are so many correctable plays I see every game that makes me believe he can only go up.

A TON will want Sanchez until they watch him and than it will be something else....

I don't see how Murray running the ball disproves anything. That's another conversation. Credit to the "bottom-5" line we have.Bradford has been bad. He's play 4 teams ranked in/near the bottom half of the league http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef what do you see happening in the playoffs?

There is 5 years worth of information on his play in the NFL. Even I thought he was getting revved up statistically in weeks 4-5 throwing for 5TD/2INTs with 300+ y/gm. It wasn't perfect by any means, but perhaps some things were clicking. He's not turning a corner. It is what it is. Even a bump in play would lead to average at best. I don't see any logical evidence to defend him. Hope? sure.

The vibe Bradford gives off is just not good. Why should he gaf anyway? He's rich and won't be here next season. Give me a limited Mark Sanchez vs a limited Sam Bradford. The offense would at least have much more momentum. Thinking Bradford has upside still is one thing, but to say he's a better QB than Sanchez now is another.

All of the Bradford optimism needs to be sent to the defense. They were awesome.

But...there is NOT five years worth of info on Bradford. Worse, what info did exist before this season is over two years old while on a historically bad team.

I think someone earlier said it right: we should be treating him like he's a talented rookie learning his way, not like a five year veteran. I know we're generally disapointed in his play to this point, but I'm not sure we really should have expected all that much better 6 games in. I would expect a steeper leaning curve than a true rookie, but 6 games? Maybe at this point (6 games in) we should be looking for the type of performance you'd want in a talented 2nd year guy, and hope for the vet performance by playoffs time.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Take this with a grain of salt because I started Bradford in a few spots....

I start Sanchez now. Bradford is a backup level QB with no soul. I thought he was turning a corner over the past two weeks, but this is who he is. The red zone ints are real. When the field shrinks he's making stupid throws that would be TDs if thrown better or that shouldn't be thrown at all. Even the TD to Cooper was a terrible throw. This was against (previously) the worse passing defense in the league, without their top CB. He should have been amazing last night(pause) giving the circumstances. Instead, he was the worst QB of he week.

I'm sure there will be emotion reactions without even consider what I say, but the Eagles don't owe Bradford anything after this year. He's not re-signing here. Based on Sanchez last year and Bradford this year, I make the change now. I don't care about the win streak. I think we're getting close to seeing Sanchez, guys.

By the bolded logic we shouldn't have been able to run the ball against the NFL's #1 run defense and Murray should have had around 50 yards etc.

I'm not sold on Sam but as Ive stated above I don't think we've seen his best and wont until after the bye. There are so many correctable plays I see every game that makes me believe he can only go up.

A TON will want Sanchez until they watch him and than it will be something else....

I don't see how Murray running the ball disproves anything. That's another conversation. Credit to the "bottom-5" line we have.Bradford has been bad. He's play 4 teams ranked in/near the bottom half of the league http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef what do you see happening in the playoffs?

There is 5 years worth of information on his play in the NFL. Even I thought he was getting revved up statistically in weeks 4-5 throwing for 5TD/2INTs with 300+ y/gm. It wasn't perfect by any means, but perhaps some things were clicking. He's not turning a corner. It is what it is. Even a bump in play would lead to average at best. I don't see any logical evidence to defend him. Hope? sure.

The vibe Bradford gives off is just not good. Why should he gaf anyway? He's rich and won't be here next season. Give me a limited Mark Sanchez vs a limited Sam Bradford. The offense would at least have much more momentum. Thinking Bradford has upside still is one thing, but to say he's a better QB than Sanchez now is another.

All of the Bradford optimism needs to be sent to the defense. They were awesome.

By the same token, couldn't you just argue that Bradford being bad against the Giants doesn't prove anything. Credit to the Giants secondary?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Bradford had 49 starts prior to this year -- he's not even close to being equivalent to a rookie. Tons of players have missed significant time with injuries without needing to hit the reset button on their careers. I'm invested in various Eagles' players across multiple dynasty leagues and would like nothing more than seeing the light come on for Sam Bradford, but at some point the excuses need to stop and we need to accept that he is what he is.

 

[Billy Bats]

This info isn't very good:

According to Pro Football Focus, Bradord has received more reliable protection, having to deal with QB pressures on only 26.7% of his dropbacks. Thats one the lowest figures in the league. Sam has been kept safe by the Eagles body guards, but he continues to be jumpy in the pocket.

 

[JuniorNB]

This info isn't very good:

According to Pro Football Focus, Bradord has received more reliable protection, having to deal with QB pressures on only 26.7% of his dropbacks. Thats one the lowest figures in the league. Sam has been kept safe by the Eagles body guards, but he continues to be jumpy in the pocket.

His protection has definitely been getting better. It started when they played the Jets. A marked improvement. And it was real good Monday night. Best I've seen it all season.

Bradford's biggest problem are those terrible red zone picks. And I don't recall any of them being the result of pressure. It's decision making. That's going to be his downfall if he doesn't fix it. Technically, the one Monday night wasn't a red zone pick because it was from the 22, but it was still an unnecessary risk that cost us sure points. He has to learn not to press. If the throw isn't there, live to see another down. Or settle for three.

 

[fred_1_15301]

This info isn't very good:

According to Pro Football Focus, Bradord has received more reliable protection, having to deal with QB pressures on only 26.7% of his dropbacks. Thats one the lowest figures in the league. Sam has been kept safe by the Eagles body guards, but he continues to be jumpy in the pocket.

His protection has definitely been getting better. It started when they played the Jets. A marked improvement. And it was real good Monday night. Best I've seen it all season.

Bradford's biggest problem are those terrible red zone picks. And I don't recall any of them being the result of pressure. It's decision making. That's going to be his downfall if he doesn't fix it. Technically, the one Monday night wasn't a red zone pick because it was from the 22, but it was still an unnecessary risk that cost us sure points. He has to learn not to press. If the throw isn't there, live to see another down. Or settle for three.

I guess the question is what do the Eagles do next year if Bradford doesn't improve as the season continues? The defense/special teams looks built to win a superbowl right now. The window of opportunity is here but they need a competent QB. If Bradford improves, he should be good enough. If he doesn't, he's going to hold a very talented team back. I'm not sure what options they will even have for next year if Bradford isn't the guy.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

No one disputes that Bradford has better upside,

Why is that indisputable? They were both high draft picks (no. 1 overall and no. 6 overall) and Sanchez has had the better career thus far. Sanchez is also more athletic and looks to be a better leader on the field.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

This info isn't very good:

According to Pro Football Focus, Bradord has received more reliable protection, having to deal with QB pressures on only 26.7% of his dropbacks. Thats one the lowest figures in the league. Sam has been kept safe by the Eagles body guards, but he continues to be jumpy in the pocket.

His protection has definitely been getting better. It started when they played the Jets. A marked improvement. And it was real good Monday night. Best I've seen it all season.Bradford's biggest problem are those terrible red zone picks. And I don't recall any of them being the result of pressure. It's decision making. That's going to be his downfall if he doesn't fix it. Technically, the one Monday night wasn't a red zone pick because it was from the 22, but it was still an unnecessary risk that cost us sure points. He has to learn not to press. If the throw isn't there, live to see another down. Or settle for three.

I guess the question is what do the Eagles do next year if Bradford doesn't improve as the season continues? The defense/special teams looks built to win a superbowl right now. The window of opportunity is here but they need a competent QB. If Bradford improves, he should be good enough. If he doesn't, he's going to hold a very talented team back. I'm not sure what options they will even have for next year if Bradford isn't the guy.

Draft / FA / Sanchez as a bridge. IIRC Foles would have been a FA after this year also, so they'd have been in the same situation regardless.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Look I am not advocating pulling Bradford.....yet. But saying people are ridiculous for considering going to Sanchez is not accurate. Consider:

Bradford: 6 starts in this offense, 63.2% Comp. pct, 9 TD's, 9 Ints, 6.8 Y/A, 80.0 QB Rating

Sanchez: 8 starts in this offense, 64.1% Comp. pct, 14 TD's, 11 Ints, 7.8 Y/A, 88.4 QB Rating

So they are performing pretty similar, with Sanchez having slightly better statistics. Perhaps since Sanchez has been in the offense a year longer, he will step it up sooner than Bradford. I don't know. But I think up to now, Sanchez throws a better deep ball in this offense which it needs. Bradford's 3 redzone ints in the last 3 weeks have all been underthrown, and the Cooper TD last night was also underthrown which almost led to it being incomplete or intercepted.

Bradford is the QB for now, but I don't think we are really downgrading if we go to Sanchez.

Let's be honest, those 9 interceptions are misleading. The one against Atlanta was a perfectly thrown ball that went through Matthews's hands and into the defenders to end the game. That's not on Bradford. And last night, Cooper mysteriously decided to do just stop running. It was basically a fair catch for the defender.

But I like the stats you posted. Bradford is playing 'horribly' and his stats are nearly identical to Sanchez, who you all seem to think was good last year. That's my point. We know what Sanchez is. He's not getting any better. That's what he is. We don't know what Bradford might become once he's more familiar with the offense and gets more confident with his health. Maybe this is it. Maybe Bradford doesn't improve. Then we don't resign him. But he's as good right now as Sanchez is. So what would be the point of making a switch and not improve?

Bradford has been in the league longer than Sanchez.

 

[JuniorNB]

This info isn't very good:

According to Pro Football Focus, Bradord has received more reliable protection, having to deal with QB pressures on only 26.7% of his dropbacks. Thats one the lowest figures in the league. Sam has been kept safe by the Eagles body guards, but he continues to be jumpy in the pocket.

His protection has definitely been getting better. It started when they played the Jets. A marked improvement. And it was real good Monday night. Best I've seen it all season.

Bradford's biggest problem are those terrible red zone picks. And I don't recall any of them being the result of pressure. It's decision making. That's going to be his downfall if he doesn't fix it. Technically, the one Monday night wasn't a red zone pick because it was from the 22, but it was still an unnecessary risk that cost us sure points. He has to learn not to press. If the throw isn't there, live to see another down. Or settle for three.

I guess the question is what do the Eagles do next year if Bradford doesn't improve as the season continues? The defense/special teams looks built to win a superbowl right now. The window of opportunity is here but they need a competent QB. If Bradford improves, he should be good enough. If he doesn't, he's going to hold a very talented team back. I'm not sure what options they will even have for next year if Bradford isn't the guy.

Yup, that's what I'm thinking. If he doesn't improve from where he is right now, I'd say we let him test the market. If he wants to sign with us real cheap, then I'd consider it. If he improves to the point where he cuts down on the dumb red zone decisions and the offense seems to be more in sync, I'd franchise tag him. That'll give us another year to decide.

 

[JuniorNB]

Look I am not advocating pulling Bradford.....yet. But saying people are ridiculous for considering going to Sanchez is not accurate. Consider:

Bradford: 6 starts in this offense, 63.2% Comp. pct, 9 TD's, 9 Ints, 6.8 Y/A, 80.0 QB Rating

Sanchez: 8 starts in this offense, 64.1% Comp. pct, 14 TD's, 11 Ints, 7.8 Y/A, 88.4 QB Rating

So they are performing pretty similar, with Sanchez having slightly better statistics. Perhaps since Sanchez has been in the offense a year longer, he will step it up sooner than Bradford. I don't know. But I think up to now, Sanchez throws a better deep ball in this offense which it needs. Bradford's 3 redzone ints in the last 3 weeks have all been underthrown, and the Cooper TD last night was also underthrown which almost led to it being incomplete or intercepted.

Bradford is the QB for now, but I don't think we are really downgrading if we go to Sanchez.

Let's be honest, those 9 interceptions are misleading. The one against Atlanta was a perfectly thrown ball that went through Matthews's hands and into the defenders to end the game. That's not on Bradford. And last night, Cooper mysteriously decided to do just stop running. It was basically a fair catch for the defender.

But I like the stats you posted. Bradford is playing 'horribly' and his stats are nearly identical to Sanchez, who you all seem to think was good last year. That's my point. We know what Sanchez is. He's not getting any better. That's what he is. We don't know what Bradford might become once he's more familiar with the offense and gets more confident with his health. Maybe this is it. Maybe Bradford doesn't improve. Then we don't resign him. But he's as good right now as Sanchez is. So what would be the point of making a switch and not improve?

Bradford has been in the league longer than Sanchez.

True. And he's been on a terrible Rams team with no weapons and then was injured two years in a row. Sanchez is not improving. Did you forget about last year? He was very very average. If that's your goal with the Eagles, to be average, then Sanchez is your man. I'd like more than that.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

You don't make a QB switch when you are winning. When has that ever happened in the NFL? Win 3 of 4, qb is healthy and say "ya he's just not doing it for us, these wins aren't by enough points".

The 49ers switched from Alex Smith to Colin Kaepernick in the middle of a season where they were winning.

 

[fred_1_15301]

This info isn't very good:

According to Pro Football Focus, Bradord has received more reliable protection, having to deal with QB pressures on only 26.7% of his dropbacks. Thats one the lowest figures in the league. Sam has been kept safe by the Eagles body guards, but he continues to be jumpy in the pocket.

His protection has definitely been getting better. It started when they played the Jets. A marked improvement. And it was real good Monday night. Best I've seen it all season.Bradford's biggest problem are those terrible red zone picks. And I don't recall any of them being the result of pressure. It's decision making. That's going to be his downfall if he doesn't fix it. Technically, the one Monday night wasn't a red zone pick because it was from the 22, but it was still an unnecessary risk that cost us sure points. He has to learn not to press. If the throw isn't there, live to see another down. Or settle for three.

I guess the question is what do the Eagles do next year if Bradford doesn't improve as the season continues? The defense/special teams looks built to win a superbowl right now. The window of opportunity is here but they need a competent QB. If Bradford improves, he should be good enough. If he doesn't, he's going to hold a very talented team back. I'm not sure what options they will even have for next year if Bradford isn't the guy.

Draft / FA / Sanchez as a bridge. IIRC Foles would have been a FA after this year also, so they'd have been in the same situation regardless.

Yeah but my point is that this defense seems to be ready to win a superbowl now. Good QBs are typically not available via FA and even if they draft a guy in the first round, he isn't a sure bet and it could take a couple years to develop. How long will this defense be great? 3 to 4 years? That would be their window to find a good enough QB.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Look I am not advocating pulling Bradford.....yet. But saying people are ridiculous for considering going to Sanchez is not accurate. Consider:

Bradford: 6 starts in this offense, 63.2% Comp. pct, 9 TD's, 9 Ints, 6.8 Y/A, 80.0 QB Rating

Sanchez: 8 starts in this offense, 64.1% Comp. pct, 14 TD's, 11 Ints, 7.8 Y/A, 88.4 QB Rating

So they are performing pretty similar, with Sanchez having slightly better statistics. Perhaps since Sanchez has been in the offense a year longer, he will step it up sooner than Bradford. I don't know. But I think up to now, Sanchez throws a better deep ball in this offense which it needs. Bradford's 3 redzone ints in the last 3 weeks have all been underthrown, and the Cooper TD last night was also underthrown which almost led to it being incomplete or intercepted.

Bradford is the QB for now, but I don't think we are really downgrading if we go to Sanchez.

Let's be honest, those 9 interceptions are misleading. The one against Atlanta was a perfectly thrown ball that went through Matthews's hands and into the defenders to end the game. That's not on Bradford. And last night, Cooper mysteriously decided to do just stop running. It was basically a fair catch for the defender.But I like the stats you posted. Bradford is playing 'horribly' and his stats are nearly identical to Sanchez, who you all seem to think was good last year. That's my point. We know what Sanchez is. He's not getting any better. That's what he is. We don't know what Bradford might become once he's more familiar with the offense and gets more confident with his health. Maybe this is it. Maybe Bradford doesn't improve. Then we don't resign him. But he's as good right now as Sanchez is. So what would be the point of making a switch and not improve?

Bradford has been in the league longer than Sanchez.

True. And he's been on a terrible Rams team with no weapons and then was injured two years in a row. Sanchez is not improving. Did you forget about last year? He was very very average. If that's your goal with the Eagles, to be average, then Sanchez is your man. I'd like more than that.

Right, because Sanchez failed with great weapons and offensive coaching on the Jets. I don't disagree that it's very likely that Sanchez remains "average" -- but IMO it's equally likely that Bradford remains "below average." It seems disingenuous to completely ignore Bradford's 49 games in STL when he's showing the exact same limitations through 6 games this year.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Look I am not advocating pulling Bradford.....yet. But saying people are ridiculous for considering going to Sanchez is not accurate. Consider:

Bradford: 6 starts in this offense, 63.2% Comp. pct, 9 TD's, 9 Ints, 6.8 Y/A, 80.0 QB Rating

Sanchez: 8 starts in this offense, 64.1% Comp. pct, 14 TD's, 11 Ints, 7.8 Y/A, 88.4 QB Rating

So they are performing pretty similar, with Sanchez having slightly better statistics. Perhaps since Sanchez has been in the offense a year longer, he will step it up sooner than Bradford. I don't know. But I think up to now, Sanchez throws a better deep ball in this offense which it needs. Bradford's 3 redzone ints in the last 3 weeks have all been underthrown, and the Cooper TD last night was also underthrown which almost led to it being incomplete or intercepted.

Bradford is the QB for now, but I don't think we are really downgrading if we go to Sanchez.

Let's be honest, those 9 interceptions are misleading. The one against Atlanta was a perfectly thrown ball that went through Matthews's hands and into the defenders to end the game. That's not on Bradford. And last night, Cooper mysteriously decided to do just stop running. It was basically a fair catch for the defender.

But I like the stats you posted. Bradford is playing 'horribly' and his stats are nearly identical to Sanchez, who you all seem to think was good last year. That's my point. We know what Sanchez is. He's not getting any better. That's what he is. We don't know what Bradford might become once he's more familiar with the offense and gets more confident with his health. Maybe this is it. Maybe Bradford doesn't improve. Then we don't resign him. But he's as good right now as Sanchez is. So what would be the point of making a switch and not improve?

Bradford has been in the league longer than Sanchez.

True. And he's been on a terrible Rams team with no weapons and then was injured two years in a row. Sanchez is not improving. Did you forget about last year? He was very very average. If that's your goal with the Eagles, to be average, then Sanchez is your man. I'd like more than that.

So Sanchez can't improve with more experience in the offense but Bradford can? Sorry I think that's more wishful thinking than reality.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Look I am not advocating pulling Bradford.....yet. But saying people are ridiculous for considering going to Sanchez is not accurate. Consider:

Bradford: 6 starts in this offense, 63.2% Comp. pct, 9 TD's, 9 Ints, 6.8 Y/A, 80.0 QB Rating

Sanchez: 8 starts in this offense, 64.1% Comp. pct, 14 TD's, 11 Ints, 7.8 Y/A, 88.4 QB Rating

So they are performing pretty similar, with Sanchez having slightly better statistics. Perhaps since Sanchez has been in the offense a year longer, he will step it up sooner than Bradford. I don't know. But I think up to now, Sanchez throws a better deep ball in this offense which it needs. Bradford's 3 redzone ints in the last 3 weeks have all been underthrown, and the Cooper TD last night was also underthrown which almost led to it being incomplete or intercepted.

Bradford is the QB for now, but I don't think we are really downgrading if we go to Sanchez.

Let's be honest, those 9 interceptions are misleading. The one against Atlanta was a perfectly thrown ball that went through Matthews's hands and into the defenders to end the game. That's not on Bradford. And last night, Cooper mysteriously decided to do just stop running. It was basically a fair catch for the defender.But I like the stats you posted. Bradford is playing 'horribly' and his stats are nearly identical to Sanchez, who you all seem to think was good last year. That's my point. We know what Sanchez is. He's not getting any better. That's what he is. We don't know what Bradford might become once he's more familiar with the offense and gets more confident with his health. Maybe this is it. Maybe Bradford doesn't improve. Then we don't resign him. But he's as good right now as Sanchez is. So what would be the point of making a switch and not improve?

Bradford has been in the league longer than Sanchez.

Sanchez drafted 2009

Bradford drafted 2010

 

[Coeur de Lion]

This info isn't very good:

According to Pro Football Focus, Bradord has received more reliable protection, having to deal with QB pressures on only 26.7% of his dropbacks. Thats one the lowest figures in the league. Sam has been kept safe by the Eagles body guards, but he continues to be jumpy in the pocket.

His protection has definitely been getting better. It started when they played the Jets. A marked improvement. And it was real good Monday night. Best I've seen it all season.Bradford's biggest problem are those terrible red zone picks. And I don't recall any of them being the result of pressure. It's decision making. That's going to be his downfall if he doesn't fix it. Technically, the one Monday night wasn't a red zone pick because it was from the 22, but it was still an unnecessary risk that cost us sure points. He has to learn not to press. If the throw isn't there, live to see another down. Or settle for three.

I guess the question is what do the Eagles do next year if Bradford doesn't improve as the season continues? The defense/special teams looks built to win a superbowl right now. The window of opportunity is here but they need a competent QB. If Bradford improves, he should be good enough. If he doesn't, he's going to hold a very talented team back. I'm not sure what options they will even have for next year if Bradford isn't the guy.

Draft / FA / Sanchez as a bridge. IIRC Foles would have been a FA after this year also, so they'd have been in the same situation regardless.

Yeah but my point is that this defense seems to be ready to win a superbowl now. Good QBs are typically not available via FA and even if they draft a guy in the first round, he isn't a sure bet and it could take a couple years to develop. How long will this defense be great? 3 to 4 years? That would be their window to find a good enough QB.

True -- but that's a dilemma that more than half the league is usually facing year in and year out. Franchise QBs are pretty rare. Most teams need to be happy with "good enough" and hoping for a hot streak at the right time a la Flacco / Eli / etc. my point is that IMO Bradford isn't "good enough."

 

[JaxBill]

Even if Bradford improves and the Eagles make a one and done playoff appearance, I don't think Chip's 2016 QB is on the roster.

He took a sizable gamble on Bradford and the accuracy and decision-making issues are enough for Chip to NOT bring him back.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Look I am not advocating pulling Bradford.....yet. But saying people are ridiculous for considering going to Sanchez is not accurate. Consider:

Bradford: 6 starts in this offense, 63.2% Comp. pct, 9 TD's, 9 Ints, 6.8 Y/A, 80.0 QB Rating

Sanchez: 8 starts in this offense, 64.1% Comp. pct, 14 TD's, 11 Ints, 7.8 Y/A, 88.4 QB Rating

So they are performing pretty similar, with Sanchez having slightly better statistics. Perhaps since Sanchez has been in the offense a year longer, he will step it up sooner than Bradford. I don't know. But I think up to now, Sanchez throws a better deep ball in this offense which it needs. Bradford's 3 redzone ints in the last 3 weeks have all been underthrown, and the Cooper TD last night was also underthrown which almost led to it being incomplete or intercepted.

Bradford is the QB for now, but I don't think we are really downgrading if we go to Sanchez.

Let's be honest, those 9 interceptions are misleading. The one against Atlanta was a perfectly thrown ball that went through Matthews's hands and into the defenders to end the game. That's not on Bradford. And last night, Cooper mysteriously decided to do just stop running. It was basically a fair catch for the defender.But I like the stats you posted. Bradford is playing 'horribly' and his stats are nearly identical to Sanchez, who you all seem to think was good last year. That's my point. We know what Sanchez is. He's not getting any better. That's what he is. We don't know what Bradford might become once he's more familiar with the offense and gets more confident with his health. Maybe this is it. Maybe Bradford doesn't improve. Then we don't resign him. But he's as good right now as Sanchez is. So what would be the point of making a switch and not improve?

Bradford has been in the league longer than Sanchez.

Sanchez drafted 2009

Bradford drafted 2010

Sorry my mistake - but it's close enough that the point remains.

 

[dhockster]

This info isn't very good:

According to Pro Football Focus, Bradord has received more reliable protection, having to deal with QB pressures on only 26.7% of his dropbacks. Thats one the lowest figures in the league. Sam has been kept safe by the Eagles body guards, but he continues to be jumpy in the pocket.

His protection has definitely been getting better. It started when they played the Jets. A marked improvement. And it was real good Monday night. Best I've seen it all season.

Bradford's biggest problem are those terrible red zone picks. And I don't recall any of them being the result of pressure. It's decision making. That's going to be his downfall if he doesn't fix it. Technically, the one Monday night wasn't a red zone pick because it was from the 22, but it was still an unnecessary risk that cost us sure points. He has to learn not to press. If the throw isn't there, live to see another down. Or settle for three.

I don't think so. Of the 3 red zone picks in the last 2 games, only the one to Ertz against the Giants was a poor decision. Ertz was covered. But the other two against N.O. both should have been TD's, he just underthrew them.

 

[JuniorNB]

Look I am not advocating pulling Bradford.....yet. But saying people are ridiculous for considering going to Sanchez is not accurate. Consider:

Bradford: 6 starts in this offense, 63.2% Comp. pct, 9 TD's, 9 Ints, 6.8 Y/A, 80.0 QB Rating

Sanchez: 8 starts in this offense, 64.1% Comp. pct, 14 TD's, 11 Ints, 7.8 Y/A, 88.4 QB Rating

So they are performing pretty similar, with Sanchez having slightly better statistics. Perhaps since Sanchez has been in the offense a year longer, he will step it up sooner than Bradford. I don't know. But I think up to now, Sanchez throws a better deep ball in this offense which it needs. Bradford's 3 redzone ints in the last 3 weeks have all been underthrown, and the Cooper TD last night was also underthrown which almost led to it being incomplete or intercepted.

Bradford is the QB for now, but I don't think we are really downgrading if we go to Sanchez.

Let's be honest, those 9 interceptions are misleading. The one against Atlanta was a perfectly thrown ball that went through Matthews's hands and into the defenders to end the game. That's not on Bradford. And last night, Cooper mysteriously decided to do just stop running. It was basically a fair catch for the defender.But I like the stats you posted. Bradford is playing 'horribly' and his stats are nearly identical to Sanchez, who you all seem to think was good last year. That's my point. We know what Sanchez is. He's not getting any better. That's what he is. We don't know what Bradford might become once he's more familiar with the offense and gets more confident with his health. Maybe this is it. Maybe Bradford doesn't improve. Then we don't resign him. But he's as good right now as Sanchez is. So what would be the point of making a switch and not improve?

Bradford has been in the league longer than Sanchez.

True. And he's been on a terrible Rams team with no weapons and then was injured two years in a row. Sanchez is not improving. Did you forget about last year? He was very very average. If that's your goal with the Eagles, to be average, then Sanchez is your man. I'd like more than that.

Right, because Sanchez failed with great weapons and offensive coaching on the Jets. I don't disagree that it's very likely that Sanchez remains "average" -- but IMO it's equally likely that Bradford remains "below average." It seems disingenuous to completely ignore Bradford's 49 games in STL when he's showing the exact same limitations through 6 games this year.

I disagree with your assertion that Sanchez is average and Bradford is below average. At the level Bradford is playing right now, he's every bit as good as Sanchez was last year. That's why it's foolish to even consider switching. Bradford might improve. Part of his problem is that he doesn't seem comfortable yet. That's injury-related. I'm not invested in the guy. If this is as good as he gets, then I don't want him back next year. But I'd like to see if he gets better. I do not want another year of Sanchez and an average team.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Look I am not advocating pulling Bradford.....yet. But saying people are ridiculous for considering going to Sanchez is not accurate. Consider:

Bradford: 6 starts in this offense, 63.2% Comp. pct, 9 TD's, 9 Ints, 6.8 Y/A, 80.0 QB Rating

Sanchez: 8 starts in this offense, 64.1% Comp. pct, 14 TD's, 11 Ints, 7.8 Y/A, 88.4 QB Rating

So they are performing pretty similar, with Sanchez having slightly better statistics. Perhaps since Sanchez has been in the offense a year longer, he will step it up sooner than Bradford. I don't know. But I think up to now, Sanchez throws a better deep ball in this offense which it needs. Bradford's 3 redzone ints in the last 3 weeks have all been underthrown, and the Cooper TD last night was also underthrown which almost led to it being incomplete or intercepted.

Bradford is the QB for now, but I don't think we are really downgrading if we go to Sanchez.

Let's be honest, those 9 interceptions are misleading. The one against Atlanta was a perfectly thrown ball that went through Matthews's hands and into the defenders to end the game. That's not on Bradford. And last night, Cooper mysteriously decided to do just stop running. It was basically a fair catch for the defender.But I like the stats you posted. Bradford is playing 'horribly' and his stats are nearly identical to Sanchez, who you all seem to think was good last year. That's my point. We know what Sanchez is. He's not getting any better. That's what he is. We don't know what Bradford might become once he's more familiar with the offense and gets more confident with his health. Maybe this is it. Maybe Bradford doesn't improve. Then we don't resign him. But he's as good right now as Sanchez is. So what would be the point of making a switch and not improve?

Bradford has been in the league longer than Sanchez.

True. And he's been on a terrible Rams team with no weapons and then was injured two years in a row. Sanchez is not improving. Did you forget about last year? He was very very average. If that's your goal with the Eagles, to be average, then Sanchez is your man. I'd like more than that.

Right, because Sanchez failed with great weapons and offensive coaching on the Jets. I don't disagree that it's very likely that Sanchez remains "average" -- but IMO it's equally likely that Bradford remains "below average." It seems disingenuous to completely ignore Bradford's 49 games in STL when he's showing the exact same limitations through 6 games this year.

I disagree with your assertion that Sanchez is average and Bradford is below average. At the level Bradford is playing right now, he's every bit as good as Sanchez was last year. That's why it's foolish to even consider switching. Bradford might improve. Part of his problem is that he doesn't seem comfortable yet. That's injury-related. I'm not invested in the guy. If this is as good as he gets, then I don't want him back next year. But I'd like to see if he gets better. I do not want another year of Sanchez and an average team.

I haven't watched every Eagles' game, but the numbers don't back this up. 2014 Sanchez was better than 2015 Bradford in pretty much every category: completion %, Y / A, TD %, INT %, QBR. Not huge differences, except in yards per attempt, but differences all the same.

 

[dhockster]

Look I am not advocating pulling Bradford.....yet. But saying people are ridiculous for considering going to Sanchez is not accurate. Consider:

Bradford: 6 starts in this offense, 63.2% Comp. pct, 9 TD's, 9 Ints, 6.8 Y/A, 80.0 QB Rating

Sanchez: 8 starts in this offense, 64.1% Comp. pct, 14 TD's, 11 Ints, 7.8 Y/A, 88.4 QB Rating

So they are performing pretty similar, with Sanchez having slightly better statistics. Perhaps since Sanchez has been in the offense a year longer, he will step it up sooner than Bradford. I don't know. But I think up to now, Sanchez throws a better deep ball in this offense which it needs. Bradford's 3 redzone ints in the last 3 weeks have all been underthrown, and the Cooper TD last night was also underthrown which almost led to it being incomplete or intercepted.

Bradford is the QB for now, but I don't think we are really downgrading if we go to Sanchez.

Let's be honest, those 9 interceptions are misleading. The one against Atlanta was a perfectly thrown ball that went through Matthews's hands and into the defenders to end the game. That's not on Bradford. And last night, Cooper mysteriously decided to do just stop running. It was basically a fair catch for the defender.

But I like the stats you posted. Bradford is playing 'horribly' and his stats are nearly identical to Sanchez, who you all seem to think was good last year. That's my point. We know what Sanchez is. He's not getting any better. That's what he is. We don't know what Bradford might become once he's more familiar with the offense and gets more confident with his health. Maybe this is it. Maybe Bradford doesn't improve. Then we don't resign him. But he's as good right now as Sanchez is. So what would be the point of making a switch and not improve?

Bradford has been in the league longer than Sanchez.

True. And he's been on a terrible Rams team with no weapons and then was injured two years in a row. Sanchez is not improving. Did you forget about last year? He was very very average. If that's your goal with the Eagles, to be average, then Sanchez is your man. I'd like more than that.

Again why? Because he has played 2 more games in the offense than Bradford?

Sanchez with the Jets: 55.1 Comp. pct., 5.5 Y/A, 71.7 passer rating

Sanchez with the Eagles: 64.1 Comp. pct., 7.1 Y/A, 88.4 passer rating

Bradford with the Rams: 58.6 Comp. pct, 6.3 Y/A, 79.3 passer rating

Bradford with the Eagles: 63.2 Comp. pct, 6.8 Y/A, 80.0 passer rating

Sanchez improved more in his stint last year than Bradford has improved this year. Some of that is due to Bradford's time off, but I just don't see why you keep insisting that Sanchez can't improve any more, when he improved significantly last year.

AND AGAIN, I AM NOT SAYING GO TO SANCHEZ RIGHT NOW. JUST GO TO HIM IF BRADFORD DOES NOT TURN A CORNER.

 

[JuniorNB]

Look I am not advocating pulling Bradford.....yet. But saying people are ridiculous for considering going to Sanchez is not accurate. Consider:

Bradford: 6 starts in this offense, 63.2% Comp. pct, 9 TD's, 9 Ints, 6.8 Y/A, 80.0 QB Rating

Sanchez: 8 starts in this offense, 64.1% Comp. pct, 14 TD's, 11 Ints, 7.8 Y/A, 88.4 QB Rating

So they are performing pretty similar, with Sanchez having slightly better statistics. Perhaps since Sanchez has been in the offense a year longer, he will step it up sooner than Bradford. I don't know. But I think up to now, Sanchez throws a better deep ball in this offense which it needs. Bradford's 3 redzone ints in the last 3 weeks have all been underthrown, and the Cooper TD last night was also underthrown which almost led to it being incomplete or intercepted.

Bradford is the QB for now, but I don't think we are really downgrading if we go to Sanchez.

Let's be honest, those 9 interceptions are misleading. The one against Atlanta was a perfectly thrown ball that went through Matthews's hands and into the defenders to end the game. That's not on Bradford. And last night, Cooper mysteriously decided to do just stop running. It was basically a fair catch for the defender.But I like the stats you posted. Bradford is playing 'horribly' and his stats are nearly identical to Sanchez, who you all seem to think was good last year. That's my point. We know what Sanchez is. He's not getting any better. That's what he is. We don't know what Bradford might become once he's more familiar with the offense and gets more confident with his health. Maybe this is it. Maybe Bradford doesn't improve. Then we don't resign him. But he's as good right now as Sanchez is. So what would be the point of making a switch and not improve?

Bradford has been in the league longer than Sanchez.

True. And he's been on a terrible Rams team with no weapons and then was injured two years in a row. Sanchez is not improving. Did you forget about last year? He was very very average. If that's your goal with the Eagles, to be average, then Sanchez is your man. I'd like more than that.

Right, because Sanchez failed with great weapons and offensive coaching on the Jets. I don't disagree that it's very likely that Sanchez remains "average" -- but IMO it's equally likely that Bradford remains "below average." It seems disingenuous to completely ignore Bradford's 49 games in STL when he's showing the exact same limitations through 6 games this year.

I disagree with your assertion that Sanchez is average and Bradford is below average. At the level Bradford is playing right now, he's every bit as good as Sanchez was last year. That's why it's foolish to even consider switching. Bradford might improve. Part of his problem is that he doesn't seem comfortable yet. That's injury-related. I'm not invested in the guy. If this is as good as he gets, then I don't want him back next year. But I'd like to see if he gets better. I do not want another year of Sanchez and an average team.

I haven't watched every Eagles' game, but the numbers don't back this up. 2014 Sanchez was better than 2015 Bradford in pretty much every category: completion %, Y / A, TD %, INT %, QBR. Not huge differences, except in yards per attempt, but differences all the same.

Two of Bradford's interceptions had absolutely nothing to do with him. In the Atlanta game, the ball went right through JMatt's hands, hit his facemask, and popped into the defender's hands. Great throw. And Monday night, Cooper mysteriously stopped running. The defender could have called for a fair catch. So you can throw int% out the window. Sanchez was 14 TDs 11 ints. Like I said, a 100% healthy Sanchez had numbers almost identical to this year's Bradford. So a change would be parallel if anything. Take away the end zone interception, and I thought Bradford played well Monday night. As he did against the Saints. I see definite improvement. As I've said multiple times, it's the red zone interceptions that's killing him/Eagles. If he can eliminate those going forward, he's going to be a nice QB in this system. Sanchez is...Sanchez. That's it.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Two of Bradford's interceptions had absolutely nothing to do with him. In the Atlanta game, the ball went right through JMatt's hands, hit his facemask, and popped into the defender's hands. Great throw. And Monday night, Cooper mysteriously stopped running. The defender could have called for a fair catch. So you can throw int% out the window. Sanchez was 14 TDs 11 ints. Like I said, a 100% healthy Sanchez had numbers almost identical to this year's Bradford. So a change would be parallel if anything. Take away the end zone interception, and I thought Bradford played well Monday night. As he did against the Saints. I see definite improvement. As I've said multiple times, it's the red zone interceptions that's killing him/Eagles. If he can eliminate those going forward, he's going to be a nice QB in this system. Sanchez is...Sanchez. That's it.

So none of Sanchez' interceptions last season were caused by the WR? Honestly I'm not sure but it's unlikely that a quarterback doesn't have a few interceptions that can be laid at the feet of his target instead of being his fault.

Once again why is Sanchez, Sanchez but Bradford not Bradford? You're willing to make excuses for Bradford that you're not willing to make for Sanchez, which is strange because those excuses are applicable to both.

Sanchez like Bradford had a poor supporting cast for most of his career and Sanchez was also coming off a major injury before taking his first snap for the Eagles. In fact Sanchez' injury (shoulder injury requiring surgery) is probably far worse for a QB than Bradford's (ACL tear requiring surgery).

I don't think the switch will be, or necessary should be, made either - I just find it curious why Bradford always seems to get a free pass for a below average career yet Sanchez gets blasted.

 

[Insein]

I hate the mark forum as read button.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Two of Bradford's interceptions had absolutely nothing to do with him. In the Atlanta game, the ball went right through JMatt's hands, hit his facemask, and popped into the defender's hands. Great throw. And Monday night, Cooper mysteriously stopped running. The defender could have called for a fair catch. So you can throw int% out the window. Sanchez was 14 TDs 11 ints. Like I said, a 100% healthy Sanchez had numbers almost identical to this year's Bradford. So a change would be parallel if anything. Take away the end zone interception, and I thought Bradford played well Monday night. As he did against the Saints. I see definite improvement. As I've said multiple times, it's the red zone interceptions that's killing him/Eagles. If he can eliminate those going forward, he's going to be a nice QB in this system. Sanchez is...Sanchez. That's it.

So none of Sanchez' interceptions last season were caused by the WR? Honestly I'm not sure but it's unlikely that a quarterback doesn't have a few interceptions that can be laid at the feet of his target instead of being his fault.

Once again why is Sanchez, Sanchez but Bradford not Bradford? You're willing to make excuses for Bradford that you're not willing to make for Sanchez, which is strange because those excuses are applicable to both.

Sanchez like Bradford had a poor supporting cast for most of his career and Sanchez was also coming off a major injury before taking his first snap for the Eagles. In fact Sanchez' injury (shoulder injury requiring surgery) is probably far worse for a QB than Bradford's (ACL tear requiring surgery).

I don't think the switch will be, or necessary should be, made either - I just find it curious why Bradford always seems to get a free pass for a below average career yet Sanchez gets blasted.

Agreed. The excuse-making for Bradford goes back years (albeit with a different fan base) and has always been mind-boggling to me. I just don't get it. The guy could miraculously take a big step forward, I guess, but it seems pretty unlikely at this point.

 

[Insein]

This info isn't very good:

According to Pro Football Focus, Bradord has received more reliable protection, having to deal with QB pressures on only 26.7% of his dropbacks. Thats one the lowest figures in the league. Sam has been kept safe by the Eagles body guards, but he continues to be jumpy in the pocket.

His protection has definitely been getting better. It started when they played the Jets. A marked improvement. And it was real good Monday night. Best I've seen it all season.Bradford's biggest problem are those terrible red zone picks. And I don't recall any of them being the result of pressure. It's decision making. That's going to be his downfall if he doesn't fix it. Technically, the one Monday night wasn't a red zone pick because it was from the 22, but it was still an unnecessary risk that cost us sure points. He has to learn not to press. If the throw isn't there, live to see another down. Or settle for three.

And it was on a 3rd and 3 where worst case scenario is we should get a FG.

 

[Insein]

You don't make a QB switch when you are winning. When has that ever happened in the NFL? Win 3 of 4, qb is healthy and say "ya he's just not doing it for us, these wins aren't by enough points".

The 49ers switched from Alex Smith to Colin Kaepernick in the middle of a season where they were winning.

Smith was hurt and never got the job back.

 

[JuniorNB]

Two of Bradford's interceptions had absolutely nothing to do with him. In the Atlanta game, the ball went right through JMatt's hands, hit his facemask, and popped into the defender's hands. Great throw. And Monday night, Cooper mysteriously stopped running. The defender could have called for a fair catch. So you can throw int% out the window. Sanchez was 14 TDs 11 ints. Like I said, a 100% healthy Sanchez had numbers almost identical to this year's Bradford. So a change would be parallel if anything. Take away the end zone interception, and I thought Bradford played well Monday night. As he did against the Saints. I see definite improvement. As I've said multiple times, it's the red zone interceptions that's killing him/Eagles. If he can eliminate those going forward, he's going to be a nice QB in this system. Sanchez is...Sanchez. That's it.

So none of Sanchez' interceptions last season were caused by the WR? Honestly I'm not sure but it's unlikely that a quarterback doesn't have a few interceptions that can be laid at the feet of his target instead of being his fault.

Once again why is Sanchez, Sanchez but Bradford not Bradford? You're willing to make excuses for Bradford that you're not willing to make for Sanchez, which is strange because those excuses are applicable to both.

Sanchez like Bradford had a poor supporting cast for most of his career and Sanchez was also coming off a major injury before taking his first snap for the Eagles. In fact Sanchez' injury (shoulder injury requiring surgery) is probably far worse for a QB than Bradford's (ACL tear requiring surgery).

I don't think the switch will be, or necessary should be, made either - I just find it curious why Bradford always seems to get a free pass for a below average career yet Sanchez gets blasted.

Free pass? He's taking a beating from local radio and all of its listeners. He's by no means getting a free pass. But people have short memories and the backup QB is always the most popular player on the team. I didn't forget how the Eagles looked last year with Sanchez under center. If you want that again, more power to you. I have hope that Bradford gets more comfortable and thrives in this offense. (notice I said hope and not faith). I'm not sure if he will. But I'm sure that Sanchez won't.