*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (4 Viewers)

[Bigboy10182000]

@adamschefter: There are now only 11 NFL teams with winning records. The fewest entering week 11 since 1990 (25 years)

And only 5 teams in the NFC are above .500. This feels like some obscure team wins the SB and could pay pretty big if youre a betting man

 

[Long Ball Larry]

And all this Chip the GM crap needs to chill a little. The guy hasn't even had a full season as the GM yet.

Yes but you know he's had major decision making privelegs since he got here. I could maybe give Howie some credit/blame but too many picks are uncharasteric of Howie. Has Chips finger prints all over it. I.E. Marcus Smith.

Marcus Smith was Howie after he convinced Chip he could get Matthews later.

Not directed at you, but this is why I hate this city. They only deal in 10's and 1's.....they feel like a 10 after a win and a 1 after a loss. Chip the GM will never be able to be a 5-7, which is more likely what he has been so far. We are supposed to have intelligent fans, right? Why does it need to be explained to intelligent fans that our GM isn't even 1 year into his plan?!? How many football GM's can fix every issue their team has in one off-season?

This. Chip drafted Hicks, and he may be the steal of the draft. Never gets mentioned by his haters. Just the misses (which every single team has)

I think I mentioned Hicks about a dozen times as a great pick. Now let's look at Eric Rowe, Marcus Smith, Josh Huff, Earl Wolff, Taylor Hart, etc.Chip gets credit for Hicks and Logan. Lane was default. Matthews has been decent but not a stud when compared to the other WRs we could have had. Ertz is completely under used or just not that good. What other good picks has he made?

Yes or No... If you were GM of the Eagles you would have a better roster then Chip Kelly. Nothing in between, just yes or no if you'd be a better GM then Chip.

No.

Now what?

Now people can stop acting like the answer is yes?

Are you saying that you believe that when someone wonders aloud whether something that any GM or coach does, that the person wondering that believes that he would be a better GM or Coach? I think this is part of the disconnect here.

 

[Deamon]

And all this Chip the GM crap needs to chill a little. The guy hasn't even had a full season as the GM yet.

Yes but you know he's had major decision making privelegs since he got here. I could maybe give Howie some credit/blame but too many picks are uncharasteric of Howie. Has Chips finger prints all over it. I.E. Marcus Smith.

Marcus Smith was Howie after he convinced Chip he could get Matthews later.

Not directed at you, but this is why I hate this city. They only deal in 10's and 1's.....they feel like a 10 after a win and a 1 after a loss. Chip the GM will never be able to be a 5-7, which is more likely what he has been so far. We are supposed to have intelligent fans, right? Why does it need to be explained to intelligent fans that our GM isn't even 1 year into his plan?!? How many football GM's can fix every issue their team has in one off-season?

This. Chip drafted Hicks, and he may be the steal of the draft. Never gets mentioned by his haters. Just the misses (which every single team has)

I think I mentioned Hicks about a dozen times as a great pick. Now let's look at Eric Rowe, Marcus Smith, Josh Huff, Earl Wolff, Taylor Hart, etc.Chip gets credit for Hicks and Logan. Lane was default. Matthews has been decent but not a stud when compared to the other WRs we could have had. Ertz is completely under used or just not that good. What other good picks has he made?

Yes or No... If you were GM of the Eagles you would have a better roster then Chip Kelly. Nothing in between, just yes or no if you'd be a better GM then Chip.

No.

Now what?

Now people can stop acting like the answer is yes?

Are you saying that you believe that when someone wonders aloud whether something that any GM or coach does, that the person wondering that believes that he would be a better GM or Coach? I think this is part of the disconnect here.

There's a lot of difference between "wondering aloud" and what is going on here. If you don't see the difference between that then you're right, there definitely is a disconnect here. They've called him average, and I'm sure they think that if they were making the calls, they wouldn't be below average at it.

 

[JuniorNB]

And all this Chip the GM crap needs to chill a little. The guy hasn't even had a full season as the GM yet.

Yes but you know he's had major decision making privelegs since he got here. I could maybe give Howie some credit/blame but too many picks are uncharasteric of Howie. Has Chips finger prints all over it. I.E. Marcus Smith.

Marcus Smith was Howie after he convinced Chip he could get Matthews later.

Not directed at you, but this is why I hate this city. They only deal in 10's and 1's.....they feel like a 10 after a win and a 1 after a loss. Chip the GM will never be able to be a 5-7, which is more likely what he has been so far. We are supposed to have intelligent fans, right? Why does it need to be explained to intelligent fans that our GM isn't even 1 year into his plan?!? How many football GM's can fix every issue their team has in one off-season?

This. Chip drafted Hicks, and he may be the steal of the draft. Never gets mentioned by his haters. Just the misses (which every single team has)

I think I mentioned Hicks about a dozen times as a great pick. Now let's look at Eric Rowe, Marcus Smith, Josh Huff, Earl Wolff, Taylor Hart, etc.Chip gets credit for Hicks and Logan. Lane was default. Matthews has been decent but not a stud when compared to the other WRs we could have had. Ertz is completely under used or just not that good. What other good picks has he made?

Yes or No... If you were GM of the Eagles you would have a better roster then Chip Kelly. Nothing in between, just yes or no if you'd be a better GM then Chip.

No.

Now what?

Now people can stop acting like the answer is yes?

Are you saying that you believe that when someone wonders aloud whether something that any GM or coach does, that the person wondering that believes that he would be a better GM or Coach? I think this is part of the disconnect here.

I know it would never happen, but it would be fascinating to see a journal of the GM's (in this case, Kelly) thought process when making moves.

For instance, when not resigning Maclin..."I think Jordan Matthews is ready to step into the #1 spot and add a receiver early in the draft. I'm hoping to use the Maclin money to address other needs." Things like that.

 

[Insein]

And all this Chip the GM crap needs to chill a little. The guy hasn't even had a full season as the GM yet.

Yes but you know he's had major decision making privelegs since he got here. I could maybe give Howie some credit/blame but too many picks are uncharasteric of Howie. Has Chips finger prints all over it. I.E. Marcus Smith.

Marcus Smith was Howie after he convinced Chip he could get Matthews later.

Not directed at you, but this is why I hate this city. They only deal in 10's and 1's.....they feel like a 10 after a win and a 1 after a loss. Chip the GM will never be able to be a 5-7, which is more likely what he has been so far. We are supposed to have intelligent fans, right? Why does it need to be explained to intelligent fans that our GM isn't even 1 year into his plan?!? How many football GM's can fix every issue their team has in one off-season?

This. Chip drafted Hicks, and he may be the steal of the draft. Never gets mentioned by his haters. Just the misses (which every single team has)

I think I mentioned Hicks about a dozen times as a great pick. Now let's look at Eric Rowe, Marcus Smith, Josh Huff, Earl Wolff, Taylor Hart, etc.Chip gets credit for Hicks and Logan. Lane was default. Matthews has been decent but not a stud when compared to the other WRs we could have had. Ertz is completely under used or just not that good. What other good picks has he made?

Yes or No... If you were GM of the Eagles you would have a better roster then Chip Kelly. Nothing in between, just yes or no if you'd be a better GM then Chip.

No.

Now what?

Now people can stop acting like the answer is yes?

Are you saying that you believe that when someone wonders aloud whether something that any GM or coach does, that the person wondering that believes that he would be a better GM or Coach? I think this is part of the disconnect here.

I know it would never happen, but it would be fascinating to see a journal of the GM's (in this case, Kelly) thought process when making moves. For instance, when not resigning Maclin..."I think Jordan Matthews is ready to step into the #1 spot and add a receiver early in the draft. I'm hoping to use the Maclin money to address other needs." Things like that.

I understood it at the time and if Agholar is lighting it up, no ones complaining and every one is saying how genius Chip is. But Nelson isn't ready and Matthews is never going to be a #1. He's a slot guy that needs that #1 guy to take heat off of him. Otherwise he will show us flashes like this year where he has big games and then mediocre ones and some bad. Teams aren't gameplanning to take away Jordan Matthews basically.

 

[JuniorNB]

I understood it at the time and if Agholar is lighting it up, no ones complaining and every one is saying how genius Chip is. But Nelson isn't ready and Matthews is never going to be a #1. He's a slot guy that needs that #1 guy to take heat off of him. Otherwise he will show us flashes like this year where he has big games and then mediocre ones and some bad. Teams aren't gameplanning to take away Jordan Matthews basically.

I think Matthews is emotionally not ready to be the number one. The drops are mental. Physically, I think he can and will be a solid number one someday. Hopefully sooner than later.

 

[Insein]

I understood it at the time and if Agholar is lighting it up, no ones complaining and every one is saying how genius Chip is. But Nelson isn't ready and Matthews is never going to be a #1. He's a slot guy that needs that #1 guy to take heat off of him. Otherwise he will show us flashes like this year where he has big games and then mediocre ones and some bad. Teams aren't gameplanning to take away Jordan Matthews basically.

I think Matthews is emotionally not ready to be the number one. The drops are mental. Physically, I think he can and will be a solid number one someday. Hopefully sooner than later.

Is he really a #1 though if he never plays outside?

 

[JuniorNB]

I understood it at the time and if Agholar is lighting it up, no ones complaining and every one is saying how genius Chip is. But Nelson isn't ready and Matthews is never going to be a #1. He's a slot guy that needs that #1 guy to take heat off of him. Otherwise he will show us flashes like this year where he has big games and then mediocre ones and some bad. Teams aren't gameplanning to take away Jordan Matthews basically.

I think Matthews is emotionally not ready to be the number one. The drops are mental. Physically, I think he can and will be a solid number one someday. Hopefully sooner than later.

Is he really a #1 though if he never plays outside?

Edelman is the Patriots' #1. It's possible. Larry Fitzgerald moved inside to the slot this year and he is definitely their #1.

I'm just guessing on him. As of now, you are definitely correct. I thought he'd make big strides this year and he simply hasn't.

 

[duaneok66]

He's not a #1 - there is a reason why he plays in the slot.

Fitz is an aging veteran that was a top 5 pick - he is more talented.

Edelman plays for NE - and he's not a true #1 when Gronk is on the roster.

 

[Deamon]

He's not a #1 - there is a reason why he plays in the slot.

Fitz is an aging veteran that was a top 5 pick - he is more talented.

Edelman plays for NE - and he's not a true #1 when Gronk is on the roster.

I dunno. Edelman 88 targets, Gronk 75. Edelman was Bradys #1 target this year.

 

[Insein]

He's not a #1 - there is a reason why he plays in the slot.

Fitz is an aging veteran that was a top 5 pick - he is more talented.

Edelman plays for NE - and he's not a true #1 when Gronk is on the roster.

I dunno. Edelman 88 targets, Gronk 75. Edelman was Bradys #1 target this year.

That's kind of unique. NE used Welker pretty similar to Edelman when he was there. Did we ever really consider him a #1 or just a real good possession WR?

At this point I hope Matthews can become a reliable possession receiver. Just needs to minimize the drops.

 

[fatness]

sten, as Philly fans, we all know how this is going to go: we beat Tampa and Detroit, lose to NE, BUF, AZ, beat Wash and then play NYG for the division, on the road, where we get blown out. Finish 7-9. Off-season of "Chip must go" and "We should sign RGIII and Kaepernick" followed by a reach for an OL in the middle of the first round that will be a bust, a project QB in the 3rd and at least 3 all-pros will emerge from the draft that we could have had with the 2nd rounder we traded, and Chip will trade or let Fletcher Cox walk because he becomes a slight malcontent with the team's lack of success again next year.

You forgot that, because we need a WR1 and there won't really be any available, we will desperately pay Leonard Hankerson 30 million over three years.

When you factor in how many games Hankerson actually plays in between injuries that's about $30 million for 1.2 years.

 

[need2know]

Who's the backup for sanchez

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Thad Lewis

 

[need2know]

Yikes

 

[unckeyherb]

Thad Lewis

vomit

 

[unckeyherb]

They should beat TB and Detroit. NE and Arizona are losses. I'm concerned about Buffalo, Washington is a win; no way do we lose to them twice. At that point we're 8-7 going into NYG on Jan 03. That game is for the season. Obviously, the only way we are getting into the post season is via Divisional win, not WC.

Looking at the schedule, Giants are at 5-5 right now. I think they alternate wins and losses up until our game- Washington-win, Jets-loss, Miami-win, Carolina-loss, Minny-win. 8-7. Setting up to be one hell of a ride.

And I don't care what anyone says about how bad this team is-once they're in the playoffs-anything can happen.

ETA: I was thinking about it a little more-what teams really scare you in the NFC? Certainly no one in the NFC East. Packers look like big time question marks, Minny has a solid defense I suppose, Cardinals are formidable but certainly not without their own warts. On paper Carolina is obviously the team to beat, but we played them fairly well, albeit in a loss. I guess my point is to reinforce what I said earlier-once you get to the playoffs, anything can happen. Win the division and you are probably hosting the Falcons or the Vikings at home week one (unless they hold off the pack, in which case you get Rodgers at the link.)

Those are both winnable games IMO.

 

[Insein]

They should beat TB and Detroit. NE and Arizona are losses. I'm concerned about Buffalo, Washington is a win; no way do we lose to them twice. At that point we're 8-7 going into NYG on Jan 03. That game is for the season. Obviously, the only way we are getting into the post season is via Divisional win, not WC.

Looking at the schedule, Giants are at 5-5 right now. I think they alternate wins and losses up until our game- Washington-win, Jets-loss, Miami-win, Carolina-loss, Minny-win. 8-7. Setting up to be one hell of a ride.

And I don't care what anyone says about how bad this team is-once they're in the playoffs-anything can happen.

No doubt.

I'll be fully jacked up for the NFC East title game when we get to that point. But you can't blame fans for being guarded. We've been through many, many, many, MANY disappointments.

 

[unckeyherb]

They should beat TB and Detroit. NE and Arizona are losses. I'm concerned about Buffalo, Washington is a win; no way do we lose to them twice. At that point we're 8-7 going into NYG on Jan 03. That game is for the season. Obviously, the only way we are getting into the post season is via Divisional win, not WC.

Looking at the schedule, Giants are at 5-5 right now. I think they alternate wins and losses up until our game- Washington-win, Jets-loss, Miami-win, Carolina-loss, Minny-win. 8-7. Setting up to be one hell of a ride.

And I don't care what anyone says about how bad this team is-once they're in the playoffs-anything can happen.

No doubt.

I'll be fully jacked up for the NFC East title game when we get to that point. But you can't blame fans for being guarded. We've been through many, many, many, MANY disappointments.

totally agree

 

[fbelange]

They should beat TB and Detroit. NE and Arizona are losses. I'm concerned about Buffalo, Washington is a win; no way do we lose to them twice. At that point we're 8-7 going into NYG on Jan 03. That game is for the season. Obviously, the only way we are getting into the post season is via Divisional win, not WC.

Looking at the schedule, Giants are at 5-5 right now. I think they alternate wins and losses up until our game- Washington-win, Jets-loss, Miami-win, Carolina-loss, Minny-win. 8-7. Setting up to be one hell of a ride.

And I don't care what anyone says about how bad this team is-once they're in the playoffs-anything can happen.

No doubt.

I'll be fully jacked up for the NFC East title game when we get to that point. But you can't blame fans for being guarded. We've been through many, many, many, MANY disappointments.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves and call that the Title Game.

Giants will be 9-6 and the eagles 7-8. At least I hope. Seems the Giants couldn't beat the Eagles even if Chip started the 3rd stringers...

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Giants will be 9-6? Ok.

 

[JuniorNB]

Giants will be 9-6? Ok.

There are two different Giant teams. The one who was the only team to be able to hang with New England, and the one that we dominated on both sides of the ball. They are so hard to figure out.

 

[unckeyherb]

Giants will be 9-6? Ok.

I seriously doubt it, but it wouldn't be totally shocking for them to string together 4 wins against Redskins, Jets, Dolphins, Panthers, Vikings. Panthers is the only team in that group that I'd say is a lock loss.

 

[need2know]

I think the Jets and vikings have a great chance to beat them

 

[fbelange]

Giants will be 9-6? Ok.

They are a 54 yd FG loss away (to the NE Patriots, mind you) from being 6-4.

They are are a last minute FG away (moronic loss to the Saints) from being 7-3.

I could go on and on but I'm not certain why you would be surprised if they amassed a total of 4 more wins. But since this is a Philly thread, I apologize for getting off topic.

 

[Deamon]

Giants will be 9-6? Ok.

They are a 54 yd FG loss away (to the NE Patriots, mind you) from being 6-4.

They are are a last minute FG away (moronic loss to the Saints) from being 7-3.

I could go on and on but I'm not certain why you would be surprised if they amassed a total of 4 more wins. But since this is a Philly thread, I apologize for getting off topic.

They're also a terrible Eli mistake in week 1 away from being 8-2. But like Jr said, they are two different teams. Right when I think they are totally underrated, they play bad. However I don't see any way that the last game at the very LEAST for the giants isn't a win and get in. If we lose week 17, there's no way we can still get in.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Injury news for Sunday. See a bump for Sproles filling in for Mathews, or just a whole lot of Murray. Andrews back and likely Peters as well, really feel PHI can control the ground game v. Tampa D.

EAGLES

OUT

QB Sam Bradford (concussion, left shoulder), S Jerome Couplin (shoulder), RB Ryan Mathews (concussion, groin)


QUESTIONABLE

T Jason Peters (back)

PROBABLE

G Josh Andrews (concussion), LB Connor Barwin (quadricep), WR Josh Huff (back), LB DeMeco Ryans (hamstring), S Walter Thurmond (hamstring)

 

[unckeyherb]

Peters didn't even take part in the walk thru today. I'd be very surprised to see him go. His situation is disconcerting to say the least.

 

[Insein]

Peters didn't even take part in the walk thru today. I'd be very surprised to see him go. His situation is disconcerting to say the least.

Well we did trade for him in 2009 and he's had on and off injuries since then. Only a matter of time really. The human body can only take so much of a beating.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Peters didn't even take part in the walk thru today. I'd be very surprised to see him go. His situation is disconcerting to say the least.

Well we did trade for him in 2009 and he's had on and off injuries since then. Only a matter of time really. The human body can only take so much of a beating.

Agreed, the end is near. Some mixed signals for this week. Was surprised he practiced Thursday and "took lots of reps." Lane said he was "close to normal" and was prepping to play RT. Then Friday no participation. Huh.

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/jason-peters-takes-lot-reps-lane-johnson-preparing-rt

 

[need2know]

Peters has been in and out all year. Time to move on imo

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Kaepernick on IR with undisclosed injury. Gotta think he will be cut at some point. Probably untradeable. Could be interesting.

I do not really believe that Sanchez will lead to any better results than Bradford, but it will be interesting to see if he can get the team moving at a little better pace, and also give more of a threat of the running QB. I will probably be disappointed, but curious to see how he does with the current offense.

Also concerned about having no Mathews. He was able to get to the edge better than Murray, which opened up the offense more overall. Can Sproles help fill in this role (after agitating this week about his lack of use)? If we insist on running Murray the majority of the time and only out of the shotgun, that will be a problem.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Sidenote: Donde esta Ash?

Seems like he has been posting occasionally in some video game threads, but nothing in here.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Giants will be 9-6? Ok.

They are a 54 yd FG loss away (to the NE Patriots, mind you) from being 6-4.

They are are a last minute FG away (moronic loss to the Saints) from being 7-3.

I could go on and on but I'm not certain why you would be surprised if they amassed a total of 4 more wins. But since this is a Philly thread, I apologize for getting off topic.

They are also a miracle drive (against SF) from being 4-6. It goes both ways.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I don't want to but I feel a 24-20 TB win today.

 

[need2know]

Just read a roto world blurb saying that sanchez is auditioning for the starting job the next 2 games. 2 winnable games. I kinda hope he fails. I don't want him starting for us next year. That better be some bs. Surely they know he's not starting material. The next 2 games mean nothing

 

[JuniorNB]

Just read a roto world blurb saying that sanchez is auditioning for the starting job the next 2 games. 2 winnable games. I kinda hope he fails. I don't want him starting for us next year. That better be some bs. Surely they know he's not starting material. The next 2 games mean nothing

depends how he looks. If the additional year in the system has him looking like he's genuinely in charge of this offense, I wouldn't mind him being the guy. If we win two games against so-so teams and he doesn't look any better than last year, we need a new starter next year.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Peters in at LT.

Could end the day tied for first in the division, and even only 1 game out of the WC. Wide open, but it all starts with playing well and winning at home today.

This is why Sanchez was re-signed in the offseason; get us through a game or two when we need wins badly. But you know what? If he looks good, and the offense looks good, roll with him.

 

[Insein]

Just read a roto world blurb saying that sanchez is auditioning for the starting job the next 2 games. 2 winnable games. I kinda hope he fails. I don't want him starting for us next year. That better be some bs. Surely they know he's not starting material. The next 2 games mean nothing

Competing for starting job the rest of this year. Only way he starts next year is if Kelly dumps Bradford and drafts a rookie finally.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

They lose today, I'm gonna have a hard time reading any "glass half full" shizza in this thread...

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Careful now.

 

[Deamon]

I don't want to but I feel a 24-20 TB win today.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I don't know what rw means about Sanchez auditioning. I guess they mean to finish out the year. I don't really know what to think at this point.

Does chip know what he needs to know about Bradford? My guess is yes. If so, and Sanchez looks decent and can win the next 2 games (if he starts Thursday), I say roll with it. Not that I really think he would be better overall, but at that point, we are just fighting for every win we can. If Sanchez is better in that moment, gotta start him.

If chip still needs to see more from Bradford, then roll with him when he is healthy.

 

[YoUnG GuNz]

Don't see chip bailing on bradford unless sanchez goes crazy these next two weeks.

 

[ShaHBucks]

18-29 Birds. Contrast in style = Eagles win

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Careful now.

I should get a special dispensation for negativity. Every time they play the Sucs, I revisit being at the Vet on that fateful day. Only time my stomachs felt worse was when I caught the ex-old lady cheating on me...

 

[JuniorNB]

They lose today, I'm gonna have a hard time reading any "glass half full" shizza in this thread...

You won't be hearing it from me. If they lose to Miami and Tampa Bay with the division up for grabs, this year's a fail. And they don't deserve the playoffs.

 

[Mighty Mice]

They lose today, I'm gonna have a hard time reading any "glass half full" shizza in this thread...

You won't be hearing it from me. If they lose to Miami and Tampa Bay with the division up for grabs, this year's a fail. And they don't deserve the playoffs.

In on this. Gotta win these two and get to 6-5, where at worst, they are ties for the division lead. Less that that, complete let down and not deserving of the postseason.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I went back through the numbers, Chip Kelly's record without Nick Foles is a complete joke. I thought I'd be more pissed at him being benched, but I'm not. This is typical of the NFL/media.

Foles 15-4 winning record, threw for 40TD/12INTs, nearly set NFL effectncy records in 2013, won a division and a probowl MVP, 90 career QB rate and didn't get sacked much with an awful Oline

Without Foles Chip's QBs are 9-14, 30TD/29INTs, and 1-8 record vs winning teams(Foles was 4-1).

Kids career is basically over, and Chip is back to being mocked like he was before Foles. I would normally write a whole article, but the numbers don't support any other argument for two second.

 

[renesauz]

They lose today, I'm gonna have a hard time reading any "glass half full" shizza in this thread...

As a glass half full type guy, I can assure you that if they lose today the glass won't be half full anyway