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*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (1 Viewer)

He's a troll, just ignore him and he goes away.

The anonymous source says there is a hurt player that stays on the injured list because he won't play hurt for Chip......who do we think that is? Must be his agent.

If I was Ryan Mathews I would be pissed having to play behind Murray and his slow ####.

 
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He's a troll, just ignore him and he goes away.

The anonymous source says there is a hurt player that stays on the injured list because he won't play hurt for Chip......who do we think that is? Must be his agent.

If I was Ryan Mathews I would be pissed having to play behind Murray and his slow ####.
Complete garbage.

 
He's a troll, just ignore him and he goes away.

The anonymous source says there is a hurt player that stays on the injured list because he won't play hurt for Chip......who do we think that is? Must be his agent.

If I was Ryan Mathews I would be pissed having to play behind Murray and his slow ####.
If I was Ryan Mathews I would try not getting hurt stepping out of bed or going to the bathroom in the morning.

 
After thinking about it, I agree with the troll. We should have just signed Carson Palmer.

(Yes, I'm being sarcastic. I'm just trying to make some sense out of his pointless blabbering)
I never anything about Philly signing Palmer. I said don't compare Palmer to Bradford. Bradford has never shown at anytime he could put of the numbers Palmer did in his time in Cincinnati. You lucky Bradford didn't sign that deal.
No one said they're comparable. It was mentioned that there were no stud QBs available via free agency and our draft position dictated that we weren't getting a blue chipper. So Chip decided to take a flyer on a guy who was extremely gifted (No. 1 overall pick out of college) and who has battled injuries as a pro, and hope to strike gold like the Cards did with Palmer. I suppose the words "like the Cards did with Palmer" are unnecessary and the statement holds up without it. Would that leave you less rattled?
Nothing he has shown on the NFL level says gifted.

I would have loved if Bradford would have been smart enough to sign that extension. How would you be feeling about that "flyer" then?
I'm glad he didn't sign yet. I still need to see more to determine if he might be the guy to run this offense. I haven't seen it yet. I loved the move by Kelly. Foles had already shown he was an average to below average quarterback. They could have just let him compete with Sanchez for the starting job and been content to be like last year. Decent, but out of the playoffs. He rolled the dice. because he wants to be more than decent. He felt Bradford had more potential than Sanchez and Foles. His durability has always been the question. And still is, apparently. He has slowly improved as the year went on. His best game was against Dallas three weeks ago. Then he got hurt the next week against Miami. As I said, I still am not convinced Bradford is the guy. But I liked that Kelly took a shot, even if it doesn't end up paying off. We've been average for too long. I'm tired of it and I'm glad our coach isn't settling for it.
:thumbup: I don't like Bradford but I respect your opinion.

 
He's a troll, just ignore him and he goes away.

The anonymous source says there is a hurt player that stays on the injured list because he won't play hurt for Chip......who do we think that is? Must be his agent.

If I was Ryan Mathews I would be pissed having to play behind Murray and his slow ####.
Lots of unnamed sources going around lately. 95% of it is nonsense and totally made up to sell papers or get Twitter followers.

 
After thinking about it, I agree with the troll. We should have just signed Carson Palmer.

(Yes, I'm being sarcastic. I'm just trying to make some sense out of his pointless blabbering)
I never anything about Philly signing Palmer. I said don't compare Palmer to Bradford. Bradford has never shown at anytime he could put of the numbers Palmer did in his time in Cincinnati. You lucky Bradford didn't sign that deal.
No one said they're comparable. It was mentioned that there were no stud QBs available via free agency and our draft position dictated that we weren't getting a blue chipper. So Chip decided to take a flyer on a guy who was extremely gifted (No. 1 overall pick out of college) and who has battled injuries as a pro, and hope to strike gold like the Cards did with Palmer. I suppose the words "like the Cards did with Palmer" are unnecessary and the statement holds up without it. Would that leave you less rattled?
Nothing he has shown on the NFL level says gifted.

I would have loved if Bradford would have been smart enough to sign that extension. How would you be feeling about that "flyer" then?
I'm glad he didn't sign yet. I still need to see more to determine if he might be the guy to run this offense. I haven't seen it yet. I loved the move by Kelly. Foles had already shown he was an average to below average quarterback. They could have just let him compete with Sanchez for the starting job and been content to be like last year. Decent, but out of the playoffs. He rolled the dice. because he wants to be more than decent. He felt Bradford had more potential than Sanchez and Foles. His durability has always been the question. And still is, apparently. He has slowly improved as the year went on. His best game was against Dallas three weeks ago. Then he got hurt the next week against Miami. As I said, I still am not convinced Bradford is the guy. But I liked that Kelly took a shot, even if it doesn't end up paying off. We've been average for too long. I'm tired of it and I'm glad our coach isn't settling for it.
:thumbup: I don't like Bradford but I respect your opinion.
:thumbup:

 
JuniorNB said:
He's a troll, just ignore him and he goes away.

The anonymous source says there is a hurt player that stays on the injured list because he won't play hurt for Chip......who do we think that is? Must be his agent.
I'm toying with him. He's being passive aggressive with statements like "How would you like that flyer then?". And I keep calmly repeating the same thing over and over. Without getting mad and feeding into his trolling. He's from Atlanta, so he's in the middle of his own team's collapse. So I can see why he's feeling a bit blue. He also used the sentence (And I quote) "You lucky Bradford didn't sign that deal" Yeah, I lucky. :coffee:
Lol, I'm not a Falcons fan. Ryan has been getting the business here. I'm sorry for responding on my cell.

 
JuniorNB said:
He's a troll, just ignore him and he goes away.

The anonymous source says there is a hurt player that stays on the injured list because he won't play hurt for Chip......who do we think that is? Must be his agent.
I'm toying with him. He's being passive aggressive with statements like "How would you like that flyer then?". And I keep calmly repeating the same thing over and over. Without getting mad and feeding into his trolling. He's from Atlanta, so he's in the middle of his own team's collapse. So I can see why he's feeling a bit blue. He also used the sentence (And I quote) "You lucky Bradford didn't sign that deal" Yeah, I lucky. :coffee:
Lol, I'm not a Falcons fan. Ryan has been getting the business here. I'm sorry for responding on my cell.
Dammit. As soon as I saw your civil response, I rushed and deleted my snarky reply. Was hoping it went unseen. It's all good.

By the way, who's your team?

 
JuniorNB said:
He's a troll, just ignore him and he goes away.

The anonymous source says there is a hurt player that stays on the injured list because he won't play hurt for Chip......who do we think that is? Must be his agent.
I'm toying with him. He's being passive aggressive with statements like "How would you like that flyer then?". And I keep calmly repeating the same thing over and over. Without getting mad and feeding into his trolling. He's from Atlanta, so he's in the middle of his own team's collapse. So I can see why he's feeling a bit blue. He also used the sentence (And I quote) "You lucky Bradford didn't sign that deal" Yeah, I lucky. :coffee:
Lol, I'm not a Falcons fan. Ryan has been getting the business here. I'm sorry for responding on my cell.
Dammit. As soon as I saw your civil response, I rushed and deleted my snarky reply. Was hoping it went unseen. It's all good.

By the way, who's your team?
Dallas, but I hate and respect the Eagles.

 
JuniorNB said:
He's a troll, just ignore him and he goes away.

The anonymous source says there is a hurt player that stays on the injured list because he won't play hurt for Chip......who do we think that is? Must be his agent.
I'm toying with him. He's being passive aggressive with statements like "How would you like that flyer then?". And I keep calmly repeating the same thing over and over. Without getting mad and feeding into his trolling. He's from Atlanta, so he's in the middle of his own team's collapse. So I can see why he's feeling a bit blue. He also used the sentence (And I quote) "You lucky Bradford didn't sign that deal" Yeah, I lucky. :coffee:
Lol, I'm not a Falcons fan. Ryan has been getting the business here. I'm sorry for responding on my cell.
Dammit. As soon as I saw your civil response, I rushed and deleted my snarky reply. Was hoping it went unseen. It's all good.

By the way, who's your team?
Dallas, but I hate and respect the Eagles.
Ahhh, would have been my second guess after Atlanta.

 
smoke monster said:
Do the Browns still want Bradford? Can we trade him for Manziel + draft picks?

I actually like Bradford more than most but I would love to see Johnny Football run Chip's offense.
The problem with that is, Chip Kelly doesn't like punks. People criticize him as racist, but it's a certain type of player he dislikes, not a certain color player. Manziel is a distraction and a party animal. Also doesn't take instruction very well. I can't see Kelly having anything to do with him.

 
smoke monster said:
Do the Browns still want Bradford? Can we trade him for Manziel + draft picks?

I actually like Bradford more than most but I would love to see Johnny Football run Chip's offense.
Johnny is going to the Cowboys once he's released.

 
smoke monster said:
Has Manziel done anything worse than Riley Cooper?
Unless there are incidents I'm unaware of, Cooper said one bad word, one time. He doesn't have a history of immaturity and trouble-making.

 
smoke monster said:
smoke monster said:
Has Manziel done anything worse than Riley Cooper?
Unless there are incidents I'm unaware of, Cooper said one bad word, one time. He doesn't have a history of immaturity and trouble-making.
Yeah he got drunk and acted like an idiot in a public place. Sounds like Manziel except Johnny didn't piss off a whole race of people. One wrong word can be a huge distraction.
And it was. And he's walked the straight and narrow ever since. Manziel keeps getting more chances and keeps screwing up. At some point, teams just determine that you're a knucklehead and it's never changing.

 
In a must-win situation, can I trust the PHI DST?

Premium fantasy scoring for points allowed. Detroit is not scoring much.

My other option is STL, but it has a tough matchup at CIN.

 
In a must-win situation, can I trust the PHI DST?

Premium fantasy scoring for points allowed. Detroit is not scoring much.

My other option is STL, but it has a tough matchup at CIN.
I'm rolling them out one more time. They either have pride and come to hurt people or they fold. At least we'll know by around 1 tomorrow.

 
smoke monster said:
smoke monster said:
smoke monster said:
Has Manziel done anything worse than Riley Cooper?
Unless there are incidents I'm unaware of, Cooper said one bad word, one time. He doesn't have a history of immaturity and trouble-making.
Yeah he got drunk and acted like an idiot in a public place. Sounds like Manziel except Johnny didn't piss off a whole race of people. One wrong word can be a huge distraction.
And it was. And he's walked the straight and narrow ever since. Manziel keeps getting more chances and keeps screwing up. At some point, teams just determine that you're a knucklehead and it's never changing.
You might be right. He's obviously immature but the stupid crap he does is only a distraction now because of the non-stop media coverage and a lot of people are obsessed with hating the guy, waiting for him to fail. If he's not hurting anyone else I don't have a problem with him. I read Joe Montana used to bring a pick-up trunk full of beer to the parking lot for after practice. It's an entertainment game, give me the best players as long as they're not child/woman abusers/rapists/murderers etc...I don't care if a guy wants to drink and dance on his week off.

It's really arguable that last weekend was a "screw up". The Browns are 2-8 and have killed the careers of numerous highly touted QB's. So now everything is all Johnny's fault for distracting them. :rolleyes:

Who's going to be more successful once they part ways, Manziel or the Browns? I'm going with Johnny Football.
Not much different than Josh Gordon's last suspension. Going on two years because he had a drink on an airplane. The more you screw up, the less tolerance you get. Years ago, while still in college, Manziel got sent home from Peyton Manning's camp because he was out late every night, reporting late every day, and being disrespectful to those running the camp. This is a long line of him thinking he is above rules and no one tells him what he can and can't do. There's a chance that he'll get a fresh start somewhere and something will click. Like it has for Newton and Winston. All signs poi8nt to no, but there's a chance.

 
smoke monster said:
Who's going to be more successful once they part ways, Manziel or the Browns? I'm going with Johnny Football.
I'd be willing to bet that the Browns will still be struggling, while Manziel is successful as a Charlie Sheen-type celebrity in his Texas hometown. And living off daddy's money.

 
smoke monster said:
smoke monster said:
Who's going to be more successful once they part ways, Manziel or the Browns? I'm going with Johnny Football.
I'd be willing to bet that the Browns will still be struggling, while Manziel is successful as a Charlie Sheen-type celebrity in his Texas hometown. And living off daddy's money.
LOL wow I think you're a little over the top there guy. Manziel must have hit a nerve with you. You got something against tiger blood?
I think he gets a shot with another team (90% chance it's Dallas) next year and is out of football in 2017. I guess we'll see.

No, I love tiger's blood. Just had a glass with some Oreos

 
I do think that Manziel could be interesting (because we are not going to have great options, most likely), but the guy is a total maniac. I am usually pretty lenient when it comes to personality and I think a lot of stuff gets overblown, but ######, how many times is this guy going to #### up? No way to trust him.

 
smoke monster said:
Here are some quotes from a betting article

"Philadelphia is sliding quickly, and is in dire need of some victories if HC Andy Reid plans on taking his squad back to the postseason and at the same time hold onto his job."
:crazy:

 
27-23 Eagles

Teams seem to be a bit even, almost everywhere, according to my numbers. The public bet heavy on Det. That means you always go the opposite way.

My system likes Dallas to win 20-23. Two of the better teams in the NFC IMO. It could go either way. And GB to beat Chi 20-35. You have to see if Alshon is out if you're playing this. All to close for me to bet.

 
After thinking about it, I agree with the troll. We should have just signed Carson Palmer.

(Yes, I'm being sarcastic. I'm just trying to make some sense out of his pointless blabbering)
I never anything about Philly signing Palmer. I said don't compare Palmer to Bradford. Bradford has never shown at anytime he could put of the numbers Palmer did in his time in Cincinnati. You lucky Bradford didn't sign that deal.
No one said they're comparable. It was mentioned that there were no stud QBs available via free agency and our draft position dictated that we weren't getting a blue chipper. So Chip decided to take a flyer on a guy who was extremely gifted (No. 1 overall pick out of college) and who has battled injuries as a pro, and hope to strike gold like the Cards did with Palmer. I suppose the words "like the Cards did with Palmer" are unnecessary and the statement holds up without it. Would that leave you less rattled?
Nothing he has shown on the NFL level says gifted.

I would have loved if Bradford would have been smart enough to sign that extension. How would you be feeling about that "flyer" then?
I'm glad he didn't sign yet. I still need to see more to determine if he might be the guy to run this offense. I haven't seen it yet. I loved the move by Kelly. Foles had already shown he was an average to below average quarterback. They could have just let him compete with Sanchez for the starting job and been content to be like last year. Decent, but out of the playoffs. He rolled the dice. because he wants to be more than decent. He felt Bradford had more potential than Sanchez and Foles. His durability has always been the question. And still is, apparently. He has slowly improved as the year went on. His best game was against Dallas three weeks ago. Then he got hurt the next week against Miami. As I said, I still am not convinced Bradford is the guy. But I liked that Kelly took a shot, even if it doesn't end up paying off. We've been average for too long. I'm tired of it and I'm glad our coach isn't settling for it.
Agreed. I'm glad he took the shot, you have to try to get a QB that can be a 'franchise' QB. While I don't think the shot was a high probability shot, I do think it had better odds of succeeding than standing pat. Here's a long snippet from an interesting Eagles-centric article re: needing a good/great QB:

"Consider this: prior to getting Tom Brady, Bill Belichick had just one winning season in six seasons as head coach of the Cleveland Browns and New England Patriots, with a combined record of 41-55 (.427 win percentage). In the 15 years since he teamed up with Brady, Belichick does not have a single losing season, and has a combined 165-54 record (.687 win percentage).

Pete Carroll’s combined record at the Patriots, Jets and Seahawks before drafting Russell Wilson? 47-49. Since Russell Wilson became his starting quarterback? 40-17. (With the obvious caveat that the defense has as much, if not more, to do with that winning record as Wilson).

Belichick and Carroll are considered two of the best coaches in the game today, but were largely ineffective until they were able to secure a top level quarterback.

Now look at this chart:

Coach Win %

Bruce Arians .690

Bill Belichick .670

Mike Tomlin .638

John Harbaugh .615

Sean Payton .609

Andy Reid .585

Ron Rivera .574

Chip Kelly .571

Pete Carroll .571

John Fox .564

Marvin Lewis .540

Jason Garrett .537

Tom Coughlin .538

Jeff Fischer .520

Rex Ryan .481

Bill Belichick without Brady .427

Bruce Arians has Carson Palmer. Bill Belichick has Tom Brady. Mike Tomlin has Big Ben. John Harbaugh has Joe Flacco (and arguably the best GM in football). Sean Payton has Drew Brees. Andy Reid’s high win percentage is largely due to his time spent with Donovan McNabb. And the same can be said about Ron Rivera and Cam Newton.

The fact that Kelly has been able to go 24-18 with a cast of Foles, Sanchez, Vick, Barkley and Bradford as his starting quarterbacks is somewhat remarkable. His .571 winning percentage puts him at a tie with Pete Carroll and ahead of good NFL coaches like Tom Coughlin, Marvin Lewis, and John Fox.

In fact, the one time that Kelly was given above average quarterback play — that would be during the second half of 2013, when Nick Foles went absolutely bonkers — the Eagles went 7-1. The remaining time when Kelly got below average production from the quarterback position? The Eagles are 17-17.

Would a franchise quarterback have cured all that ails this Eagles team? Of course not.

But did anyone else notice that the Cowboys, losers of seven in a row without Tony Romo, looked suddenly competent again last week in their win over the Dolphins?

Or did anyone notice how the Colts went from 10 wins with Peyton Manning in 2010, to two wins with Curtis Painter in 2011, to 11 wins with Andrew Luck in 2012?

Does anyone else remember how quickly Andy Reid’s regime fell apart when he was unable to replace Donovan McNabb (save for the one year of competent play from Michael Vick in 2010)?

A quarterback has a funny way of changing a teams fortunes and masking its flaws. That’s why it is considered one of, if not the most important position in all of sports."

http://eaglesrewind.com/2015/11/24/chip-kelly-the-learning-curve-and-the-quarterback/

Happy Thanksgiving Eagles fans. 27-23 Philadelphia.

 
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Seeing a lot of predictions of close scores....and I don't buy it. This game won't be close.

45-17

But who scores 45?

 
I'll predict an Eagles' win, just for the sake of the ebb and flow and ups and downs of the league. I don't think this team is that bad to just go into an all-out tailspin. Similar to when we came out and being the Jets after 0-2.

So I'll say 24-17 Eagles for the symmetry.

 
Mighty Mice said:
After thinking about it, I agree with the troll. We should have just signed Carson Palmer.

(Yes, I'm being sarcastic. I'm just trying to make some sense out of his pointless blabbering)
I never anything about Philly signing Palmer. I said don't compare Palmer to Bradford. Bradford has never shown at anytime he could put of the numbers Palmer did in his time in Cincinnati. You lucky Bradford didn't sign that deal.
No one said they're comparable. It was mentioned that there were no stud QBs available via free agency and our draft position dictated that we weren't getting a blue chipper. So Chip decided to take a flyer on a guy who was extremely gifted (No. 1 overall pick out of college) and who has battled injuries as a pro, and hope to strike gold like the Cards did with Palmer. I suppose the words "like the Cards did with Palmer" are unnecessary and the statement holds up without it. Would that leave you less rattled?
Nothing he has shown on the NFL level says gifted.I would have loved if Bradford would have been smart enough to sign that extension. How would you be feeling about that "flyer" then?
I'm glad he didn't sign yet. I still need to see more to determine if he might be the guy to run this offense. I haven't seen it yet. I loved the move by Kelly. Foles had already shown he was an average to below average quarterback. They could have just let him compete with Sanchez for the starting job and been content to be like last year. Decent, but out of the playoffs. He rolled the dice. because he wants to be more than decent. He felt Bradford had more potential than Sanchez and Foles. His durability has always been the question. And still is, apparently. He has slowly improved as the year went on. His best game was against Dallas three weeks ago. Then he got hurt the next week against Miami. As I said, I still am not convinced Bradford is the guy. But I liked that Kelly took a shot, even if it doesn't end up paying off. We've been average for too long. I'm tired of it and I'm glad our coach isn't settling for it.
Agreed. I'm glad he took the shot, you have to try to get a QB that can be a 'franchise' QB. While I don't think the shot was a high probability shot, I do think it had better odds of succeeding than standing pat. Here's a long snippet from an interesting Eagles-centric article re: needing a good/great QB:

"Consider this: prior to getting Tom Brady, Bill Belichick had just one winning season in six seasons as head coach of the Cleveland Browns and New England Patriots, with a combined record of 41-55 (.427 win percentage). In the 15 years since he teamed up with Brady, Belichick does not have a single losing season, and has a combined 165-54 record (.687 win percentage).

Pete Carroll’s combined record at the Patriots, Jets and Seahawks before drafting Russell Wilson? 47-49. Since Russell Wilson became his starting quarterback? 40-17. (With the obvious caveat that the defense has as much, if not more, to do with that winning record as Wilson).

Belichick and Carroll are considered two of the best coaches in the game today, but were largely ineffective until they were able to secure a top level quarterback.

Now look at this chart:

Coach Win %

Bruce Arians .690

Bill Belichick .670

Mike Tomlin .638

John Harbaugh .615

Sean Payton .609

Andy Reid .585

Ron Rivera .574

Chip Kelly .571

Pete Carroll .571

John Fox .564

Marvin Lewis .540

Jason Garrett .537

Tom Coughlin .538

Jeff Fischer .520

Rex Ryan .481

Bill Belichick without Brady .427

Bruce Arians has Carson Palmer. Bill Belichick has Tom Brady. Mike Tomlin has Big Ben. John Harbaugh has Joe Flacco (and arguably the best GM in football). Sean Payton has Drew Brees. Andy Reid’s high win percentage is largely due to his time spent with Donovan McNabb. And the same can be said about Ron Rivera and Cam Newton.

The fact that Kelly has been able to go 24-18 with a cast of Foles, Sanchez, Vick, Barkley and Bradford as his starting quarterbacks is somewhat remarkable. His .571 winning percentage puts him at a tie with Pete Carroll and ahead of good NFL coaches like Tom Coughlin, Marvin Lewis, and John Fox.

In fact, the one time that Kelly was given above average quarterback play — that would be during the second half of 2013, when Nick Foles went absolutely bonkers — the Eagles went 7-1. The remaining time when Kelly got below average production from the quarterback position? The Eagles are 17-17.

Would a franchise quarterback have cured all that ails this Eagles team? Of course not.

But did anyone else notice that the Cowboys, losers of seven in a row without Tony Romo, looked suddenly competent again last week in their win over the Dolphins?

Or did anyone notice how the Colts went from 10 wins with Peyton Manning in 2010, to two wins with Curtis Painter in 2011, to 11 wins with Andrew Luck in 2012?

Does anyone else remember how quickly Andy Reid’s regime fell apart when he was unable to replace Donovan McNabb (save for the one year of competent play from Michael Vick in 2010)?

A quarterback has a funny way of changing a teams fortunes and masking its flaws. That’s why it is considered one of, if not the most important position in all of sports."

http://eaglesrewind.com/2015/11/24/chip-kelly-the-learning-curve-and-the-quarterback/

Happy Thanksgiving Eagles fans. 27-23 Philadelphia.
I have to agree, aside from discounting the guy who nearly broke the leagues efficiency records. Foles followed up 2013 by going 6-2 as well. Chip did it to himself, Jeff Fisher is next. https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/723722-official-2015-philadelphia-eagles-can-we-be-angry-now/page-151#entry18614350

 
Mighty Mice said:
After thinking about it, I agree with the troll. We should have just signed Carson Palmer.

(Yes, I'm being sarcastic. I'm just trying to make some sense out of his pointless blabbering)
I never anything about Philly signing Palmer. I said don't compare Palmer to Bradford. Bradford has never shown at anytime he could put of the numbers Palmer did in his time in Cincinnati. You lucky Bradford didn't sign that deal.
No one said they're comparable. It was mentioned that there were no stud QBs available via free agency and our draft position dictated that we weren't getting a blue chipper. So Chip decided to take a flyer on a guy who was extremely gifted (No. 1 overall pick out of college) and who has battled injuries as a pro, and hope to strike gold like the Cards did with Palmer. I suppose the words "like the Cards did with Palmer" are unnecessary and the statement holds up without it. Would that leave you less rattled?
Nothing he has shown on the NFL level says gifted.I would have loved if Bradford would have been smart enough to sign that extension. How would you be feeling about that "flyer" then?
I'm glad he didn't sign yet. I still need to see more to determine if he might be the guy to run this offense. I haven't seen it yet. I loved the move by Kelly. Foles had already shown he was an average to below average quarterback. They could have just let him compete with Sanchez for the starting job and been content to be like last year. Decent, but out of the playoffs. He rolled the dice. because he wants to be more than decent. He felt Bradford had more potential than Sanchez and Foles. His durability has always been the question. And still is, apparently. He has slowly improved as the year went on. His best game was against Dallas three weeks ago. Then he got hurt the next week against Miami. As I said, I still am not convinced Bradford is the guy. But I liked that Kelly took a shot, even if it doesn't end up paying off. We've been average for too long. I'm tired of it and I'm glad our coach isn't settling for it.
Agreed. I'm glad he took the shot, you have to try to get a QB that can be a 'franchise' QB. While I don't think the shot was a high probability shot, I do think it had better odds of succeeding than standing pat. Here's a long snippet from an interesting Eagles-centric article re: needing a good/great QB:

"Consider this: prior to getting Tom Brady, Bill Belichick had just one winning season in six seasons as head coach of the Cleveland Browns and New England Patriots, with a combined record of 41-55 (.427 win percentage). In the 15 years since he teamed up with Brady, Belichick does not have a single losing season, and has a combined 165-54 record (.687 win percentage).

Pete Carroll’s combined record at the Patriots, Jets and Seahawks before drafting Russell Wilson? 47-49. Since Russell Wilson became his starting quarterback? 40-17. (With the obvious caveat that the defense has as much, if not more, to do with that winning record as Wilson).

Belichick and Carroll are considered two of the best coaches in the game today, but were largely ineffective until they were able to secure a top level quarterback.

Now look at this chart:

Coach Win %

Bruce Arians .690

Bill Belichick .670

Mike Tomlin .638

John Harbaugh .615

Sean Payton .609

Andy Reid .585

Ron Rivera .574

Chip Kelly .571

Pete Carroll .571

John Fox .564

Marvin Lewis .540

Jason Garrett .537

Tom Coughlin .538

Jeff Fischer .520

Rex Ryan .481

Bill Belichick without Brady .427

Bruce Arians has Carson Palmer. Bill Belichick has Tom Brady. Mike Tomlin has Big Ben. John Harbaugh has Joe Flacco (and arguably the best GM in football). Sean Payton has Drew Brees. Andy Reid’s high win percentage is largely due to his time spent with Donovan McNabb. And the same can be said about Ron Rivera and Cam Newton.

The fact that Kelly has been able to go 24-18 with a cast of Foles, Sanchez, Vick, Barkley and Bradford as his starting quarterbacks is somewhat remarkable. His .571 winning percentage puts him at a tie with Pete Carroll and ahead of good NFL coaches like Tom Coughlin, Marvin Lewis, and John Fox.

In fact, the one time that Kelly was given above average quarterback play — that would be during the second half of 2013, when Nick Foles went absolutely bonkers — the Eagles went 7-1. The remaining time when Kelly got below average production from the quarterback position? The Eagles are 17-17.

Would a franchise quarterback have cured all that ails this Eagles team? Of course not.

But did anyone else notice that the Cowboys, losers of seven in a row without Tony Romo, looked suddenly competent again last week in their win over the Dolphins?

Or did anyone notice how the Colts went from 10 wins with Peyton Manning in 2010, to two wins with Curtis Painter in 2011, to 11 wins with Andrew Luck in 2012?

Does anyone else remember how quickly Andy Reid’s regime fell apart when he was unable to replace Donovan McNabb (save for the one year of competent play from Michael Vick in 2010)?

A quarterback has a funny way of changing a teams fortunes and masking its flaws. That’s why it is considered one of, if not the most important position in all of sports."

http://eaglesrewind.com/2015/11/24/chip-kelly-the-learning-curve-and-the-quarterback/

Happy Thanksgiving Eagles fans. 27-23 Philadelphia.
I have to agree, aside from discounting the guy who nearly broke the leagues efficiency records. Foles followed up 2013 by going 6-2 as well. Chip did it to himself, Jeff Fisher is next.https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/723722-official-2015-philadelphia-eagles-can-we-be-angry-now/page-151#entry18614350
Jesus Christ more Foles. Followed by a link to a post made 2 days ago about Foles. When no one was remotely talking about Foles. Sigh, I think everyone was right, it's just bait at this point.

 
3 games announced today for London next year:

Week 4: WAS v CIN

Week 7: STL v NFC East opponent (Either NY/DAL/PHI...still TBD)

Week 8: IND v JAX
Man they always seem to have bad games over there. St. Louis vs Philly would blow this board to pieces if Sam/Nick are still there. We would need to finish 3rd in our div though, which I guess is a real possibility.EDT: That would be crazy if Wash finished 3rd. They'd get London games in week 4 and 7.
You know who I'm rooting for
we sure do.

 
After thinking about it, I agree with the troll. We should have just signed Carson Palmer.

(Yes, I'm being sarcastic. I'm just trying to make some sense out of his pointless blabbering)
I never anything about Philly signing Palmer. I said don't compare Palmer to Bradford. Bradford has never shown at anytime he could put of the numbers Palmer did in his time in Cincinnati. You lucky Bradford didn't sign that deal.
No one said they're comparable. It was mentioned that there were no stud QBs available via free agency and our draft position dictated that we weren't getting a blue chipper. So Chip decided to take a flyer on a guy who was extremely gifted (No. 1 overall pick out of college) and who has battled injuries as a pro, and hope to strike gold like the Cards did with Palmer. I suppose the words "like the Cards did with Palmer" are unnecessary and the statement holds up without it. Would that leave you less rattled?
Nothing he has shown on the NFL level says gifted.

I would have loved if Bradford would have been smart enough to sign that extension. How would you be feeling about that "flyer" then?
I'm glad he didn't sign yet. I still need to see more to determine if he might be the guy to run this offense. I haven't seen it yet. I loved the move by Kelly. Foles had already shown he was an average to below average quarterback. They could have just let him compete with Sanchez for the starting job and been content to be like last year. Decent, but out of the playoffs. He rolled the dice. because he wants to be more than decent. He felt Bradford had more potential than Sanchez and Foles. His durability has always been the question. And still is, apparently. He has slowly improved as the year went on. His best game was against Dallas three weeks ago. Then he got hurt the next week against Miami. As I said, I still am not convinced Bradford is the guy. But I liked that Kelly took a shot, even if it doesn't end up paying off. We've been average for too long. I'm tired of it and I'm glad our coach isn't settling for it.
This is all me and you have been saying since the start. The thing I hate most I think about some sports fans is totally judging the decision on the result. Sometimes good decisions don't work out. Sometimes bad ones do. When a fanbase is this "super bowl or bust", you need to take these risks.

Not sure why everyone seems to think he plays tomorrow. I'm not so confident. I think he suits up but Sanchez gets the start.

 
Jack White said:
In a must-win situation, can I trust the PHI DST?

Premium fantasy scoring for points allowed. Detroit is not scoring much.

My other option is STL, but it has a tough matchup at CIN.
Tough call. Early game on a Thursday, Defense (hopefully) motivated and embarrassed, and we usually seem to find a way to get a pick 6 or return for TD when we need it. Didn't happen last week, but the chances were right there in our hands. I 'd roll the dice on their D. Cincy is rolling right now and with St. Louis inefficiency on offense, could be a lot of 3 and outs and plenty of chances for Cincy to put up points.

 
Insein said:
Well I know you "joined" today but I've already said 26-25 Eagles.
Didn't you say 26-15 the first time???
Yes. My phone loves to add a 2 instead of one. If I don't notice it, I'll type 2025 usually.
So when you typed Bradford should be our #2 QB, you really meant to type...

EDT: Hoping people realize this was said in jest :P

 
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Bet we see Bradford under center tomorrow, but wouldn't bet that it's Kelce snapping him the ball. Great to hear Ertz out of protocol already and back to some limited activities. Peters a full go last 2 days should be fine. Mathews out hurts, but confident in Sproles to be a good compliment to Murray.

OUT

TE Zach Ertz (concussion), RB Ryan Mathews (concussion)

QUESTIONABLE

QB Sam Bradford (concussion, left shoulder), C Jason Kelce (knee), T Jason Peters (back)

PROBABLE

LB Kiko Alonso (ankle), LB Connor Barwin (quadricep), LB DeMeco Ryans (hamstring), DE Cedric Thornton (ankle), S Walter Thurmond (hamstring)

Bradford was listed as a full participant in Wednesday's practice, which, as the Philadelphia Inquirer's Zach Berman pointed out on Twitter, was not a walk-through. It seems the decision to start either Bradford and Mark Sanchez will be made on Thanksgiving morning.

Kelce did not participate in practice on Tuesday or Wednesday.

Peters played the majority of last week's loss to the Buccaneers, and was a full participant in practice on both Tuesday and Wednesday.

Interestingly enough, Ertz was a limited participant in Wednesday's practice, which means he's been cleared for some contact after the concussion he suffered.
How come not Kelce? I didn't think his knee was THAT bad.

Would leave us in a tough situation with Andrews playing Center, I'm assuming that's who it would be. Maybe he'd be more disciplined on penalties though and could snap the ball to our QB consistently.

 
Insein said:
Well I know you "joined" today but I've already said 26-25 Eagles.
Didn't you say 26-15 the first time???
Yes. My phone loves to add a 2 instead of one. If I don't notice it, I'll type 2025 usually.
So when you typed Bradford should be our #2 QB, you really meant to type...EDT: Hoping people realize this was said in jest :P
I don't believe I ever said that :mellow:
haha I know, was just a joke

 
Tomorrow is going to be the nail in the coffin for Chip Jelly. Half the team quit last week and there is nothing he can do to bring them back.

Start all Lions with confidence.

 
Tomorrow is going to be the nail in the coffin for Chip Jelly. Half the team quit last week and there is nothing he can do to bring them back.

Start all Lions with confidence.
Will post back in 13 hours how wrong this is.
Meatwad rivals I Am Scientist for the least knowledgeable guy on the board. And the lamest troll. This is probably good for the Eagles.
Ironically meatwad also trolls the Seahawks thread. Scientist is a troll but he really does know his #### when it comes to the Seahawks. Meatwad is simply a troll.

 
Tomorrow is going to be the nail in the coffin for Chip Jelly. Half the team quit last week and there is nothing he can do to bring them back.

Start all Lions with confidence.
Will post back in 13 hours how wrong this is.
Meatwad rivals I Am Scientist for the least knowledgeable guy on the board. And the lamest troll. This is probably good for the Eagles.
Ironically meatwad also trolls the Seahawks thread. Scientist is a troll but he really does know his #### when it comes to the Seahawks. Meatwad is simply a troll.
Couldn't have chosen a more appropriate member name. Meatwad. Lol. Perfect.
 
Mighty Mice said:
Now look at this chart:

Coach Win %

Bruce Arians .690

Bill Belichick .670

Mike Tomlin .638

John Harbaugh .615

Sean Payton .609

Andy Reid .585

Ron Rivera .574

Chip Kelly .571

Pete Carroll .571

John Fox .564

Marvin Lewis .540

Jason Garrett .537

Tom Coughlin .538

Jeff Fischer .520

Rex Ryan .481

Bill Belichick without Brady .427

Bruce Arians has Carson Palmer. Bill Belichick has Tom Brady. Mike Tomlin has Big Ben. John Harbaugh has Joe Flacco (and arguably the best GM in football). Sean Payton has Drew Brees. Andy Reid’s high win percentage is largely due to his time spent with Donovan McNabb. And the same can be said about Ron Rivera and Cam Newton.

The fact that Kelly has been able to go 24-18 with a cast of Foles, Sanchez, Vick, Barkley and Bradford as his starting quarterbacks is somewhat remarkable. His .571 winning percentage puts him at a tie with Pete Carroll and ahead of good NFL coaches like Tom Coughlin, Marvin Lewis, and John Fox.

In fact, the one time that Kelly was given above average quarterback play — that would be during the second half of 2013, when Nick Foles went absolutely bonkers — the Eagles went 7-1. The remaining time when Kelly got below average production from the quarterback position? The Eagles are 17-17.

Would a franchise quarterback have cured all that ails this Eagles team? Of course not.

But did anyone else notice that the Cowboys, losers of seven in a row without Tony Romo, looked suddenly competent again last week in their win over the Dolphins?

Or did anyone notice how the Colts went from 10 wins with Peyton Manning in 2010, to two wins with Curtis Painter in 2011, to 11 wins with Andrew Luck in 2012?

Does anyone else remember how quickly Andy Reid’s regime fell apart when he was unable to replace Donovan McNabb (save for the one year of competent play from Michael Vick in 2010)?

A quarterback has a funny way of changing a teams fortunes and masking its flaws. That’s why it is considered one of, if not the most important position in all of sports."

http://eaglesrewind.com/2015/11/24/chip-kelly-the-learning-curve-and-the-quarterback/

Happy Thanksgiving Eagles fans. 27-23 Philadelphia.
Reid has a .575 win percentage in KC, the same amount of time Kelly has been in Philly, a higher percentage than Kelly, arguably a worse team when he got there and with everyone's favorite kicking boy at QB A. Smith.
 

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