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*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (4 Viewers)

Good to hear some reasonable perspective here. I don't think you can take away the GM tag but you can add some personnel to help him with those decisions and give them a title that doesn't create the media circus that he lost the GM position. Wasn't that the issue with Howie essentially that he fired Chip's favorite personnel guy in Cable I think it was?

 
Good to hear some reasonable perspective here. I don't think you can take away the GM tag but you can add some personnel to help him with those decisions and give them a title that doesn't create the media circus that he lost the GM position. Wasn't that the issue with Howie essentially that he fired Chip's favorite personnel guy in Cable I think it was?
I think your talking about Tom Gamble. I said a few pages back that they should hire Bill Polian's consulting agency for help with personnel decisions in the draft and in free agency. Chip can still retain the title, but have someone who many consider to be one of the best GMs ever helping him call the shots.

 
Signed C/G Barrett Jones from Chicago's practice squad, released Vandervelde.

"Jones was originally a fourth-round pick of the St. Louis Rams in the 2013 NFL Draft. The 113th overall pick, Jones played college ball at the University of Alabama under the tutelage of current Eagles offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland. Jones was a first-team All-America selection in 2012, helping to lead the Crimson Tide to a BCS National Championship. For his efforts, Jones became Alabama's first Rimington Trophy winner as the nation's top center."

 
Good to hear some reasonable perspective here. I don't think you can take away the GM tag but you can add some personnel to help him with those decisions and give them a title that doesn't create the media circus that he lost the GM position. Wasn't that the issue with Howie essentially that he fired Chip's favorite personnel guy in Cable I think it was?
I think your talking about Tom Gamble. I said a few pages back that they should hire Bill Polian's consulting agency for help with personnel decisions in the draft and in free agency. Chip can still retain the title, but have someone who many consider to be one of the best GMs ever helping him call the shots.
Exactly, have Polian as a consultant not the GM then it's not like Lurie snipping his nuts and it takes a lot of his plate. Needs to be a guy he trusts and it's helpful, as opposed to the power struggle that was going on before.

 
Good to hear some reasonable perspective here. I don't think you can take away the GM tag but you can add some personnel to help him with those decisions and give them a title that doesn't create the media circus that he lost the GM position. Wasn't that the issue with Howie essentially that he fired Chip's favorite personnel guy in Cable I think it was?
I think your talking about Tom Gamble. I said a few pages back that they should hire Bill Polian's consulting agency for help with personnel decisions in the draft and in free agency. Chip can still retain the title, but have someone who many consider to be one of the best GMs ever helping him call the shots.
Exactly, have Polian as a consultant not the GM then it's not like Lurie snipping his nuts and it takes a lot of his plate. Needs to be a guy he trusts and it's helpful, as opposed to the power struggle that was going on before.
So what is Ed Marynowitz doing? I thought he had a similar role, unless he's just bad at his job or is only Kelly's yes-man.

 
Good to hear some reasonable perspective here. I don't think you can take away the GM tag but you can add some personnel to help him with those decisions and give them a title that doesn't create the media circus that he lost the GM position. Wasn't that the issue with Howie essentially that he fired Chip's favorite personnel guy in Cable I think it was?
I think your talking about Tom Gamble. I said a few pages back that they should hire Bill Polian's consulting agency for help with personnel decisions in the draft and in free agency. Chip can still retain the title, but have someone who many consider to be one of the best GMs ever helping him call the shots.
Exactly, have Polian as a consultant not the GM then it's not like Lurie snipping his nuts and it takes a lot of his plate. Needs to be a guy he trusts and it's helpful, as opposed to the power struggle that was going on before.
So what is Ed Marynowitz doing? I thought he had a similar role, unless he's just bad at his job or is only Kelly's yes-man.
If I remember Gamble was the guy Kelly liked that Howie let go, ship hut the fan, then Ed was the yes-man brought in?

 
Signed C/G Barrett Jones from Chicago's practice squad, released Vandervelde.

"Jones was originally a fourth-round pick of the St. Louis Rams in the 2013 NFL Draft. The 113th overall pick, Jones played college ball at the University of Alabama under the tutelage of current Eagles offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland. Jones was a first-team All-America selection in 2012, helping to lead the Crimson Tide to a BCS National Championship. For his efforts, Jones became Alabama's first Rimington Trophy winner as the nation's top center."
See you again 2 weeks, Julian.

 
Okay, as horrific as it sounds, when all three are cut in the offseason, does Chip bring in RGIII, Kaepernick, and Manziel for a tryout and see which one picks up his offense the best?

And yes, I did just throw up in my mouth a little bit.
RG3 is the only I think Chip would want.

 
After having time to digest the anger and frustration from this last month, I think we can rationally see that Chip is not getting fired and nor should he get fired.

Think about how many times we look to Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Oakland, etc and how they're a revolving door for coaches. We all declare them joke organizations doomed to stay where they are. Now if Lurie were to fire Chip after 3 seasons, 2 of them successful, the Eagles could be in danger of becoming one of them. Because once Lurie pulls the trigger on a coach early, he has the power to do it again, and again and again at the first sign of failure.

Chip has made some mistakes, pretty terrible ones but he also had some pretty good ideas and can certainly coach when called upon. Firing him after one bad year is like a bad Bond Villain killing his top scientist for failing one time. Give the guy a chance to make some corrections.

Chips going to be out coach at least through 2017. We'll see if he's as smart as he thinks he is.
I was really hoping he'd realize the mistake he made in hiring Davis as DC and fire him this week. He has a way of coming across as if he thinks he's never wrong. I think that's what irritates Eagles fans. And I don't think it would be making Davis a sacrificial lamb. He doesn't deserve a job in the league as a DC. He can't make in-game adjustments. And doesn't put his players in a position to succeed.
i'll judge Chip more by seeing if Davis is DC next year. Especially at this stage of the season, i don't see how much they gain by firing Davis. Maybe if players are playing lethagric and not putting effort in sure, but i just don't know if he needs to be so reactive. Obviously fan base wants blood, but i don't see Chip giving into it, and even maybe being defiant toward it. but in the long run, i just don't know if there is a huge need for it

 
I think we need to stop using our own logic at this point. Chip has the option to do whatever the heck HE wants to. Based on past experiences, it's darn sure not what decision I'd make. He'll probably stay, extend Bradford, let go of Cox... Who knows? We don't.

 
After having time to digest the anger and frustration from this last month, I think we can rationally see that Chip is not getting fired and nor should he get fired.

Think about how many times we look to Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Oakland, etc and how they're a revolving door for coaches. We all declare them joke organizations doomed to stay where they are. Now if Lurie were to fire Chip after 3 seasons, 2 of them successful, the Eagles could be in danger of becoming one of them. Because once Lurie pulls the trigger on a coach early, he has the power to do it again, and again and again at the first sign of failure.

Chip has made some mistakes, pretty terrible ones but he also had some pretty good ideas and can certainly coach when called upon. Firing him after one bad year is like a bad Bond Villain killing his top scientist for failing one time. Give the guy a chance to make some corrections.

Chips going to be our coach at least through 2017. We'll see if he's as smart as he thinks he is.
It all depends on how the team feels. Even through all the BS Reid teams the players loved him. If Chip loses the players he just has to go.
Doesn't everything sort of indicate that he already has? :unsure:

 
Okay, as horrific as it sounds, when all three are cut in the offseason, does Chip bring in RGIII, Kaepernick, and Manziel for a tryout and see which one picks up his offense the best?

And yes, I did just throw up in my mouth a little bit.
None of them can read defenses. I can't see Chip going for that.

 
Signed C/G Barrett Jones from Chicago's practice squad, released Vandervelde.

"Jones was originally a fourth-round pick of the St. Louis Rams in the 2013 NFL Draft. The 113th overall pick, Jones played college ball at the University of Alabama under the tutelage of current Eagles offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland. Jones was a first-team All-America selection in 2012, helping to lead the Crimson Tide to a BCS National Championship. For his efforts, Jones became Alabama's first Rimington Trophy winner as the nation's top center."
See you again 2 weeks, Julian.
I really want another team to sign him. At this point I really feel for the guy.

At least he has a sense of humour about it:

Julian Vandervelde ‏@BatMandervelde 12h12 hours ago

I believe with my next transaction I break the all-time single-player record and get a free Cheesesteak.

His twitter is pretty funny actually.

 
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Can anybody get the breakdown in the cap ramifications for next season? Heard it on the radio. It's incredibly depressing.

 
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Can anybody get the breakdown in the cap ramifications for next season? Heard it on the radio. It's incredibly depressing.
From what?
From what I can recall: Murray--8 million, Mathews 4 million, Jenkins 7 million, Maxwell--almost 10 million, cooper 5 million.

How the hell can they rebuild with some of these numbers?

The Cooper contact is one the most egregious in sports history.

 
Can anybody get the breakdown in the cap ramifications for next season? Heard it on the radio. It's incredibly depressing.
From what?
From what I can recall: Murray--8 million, Mathews 4 million, Jenkins 7 million, Maxwell--almost 10 million, cooper 5 million.

How the hell can they rebuild with some of these numbers?

The Cooper contact is one the most egregious in sports history.
I'll still take Cooper at 5 million over Maxwell at 10 million. That hurts to look at.

 
Can anybody get the breakdown in the cap ramifications for next season? Heard it on the radio. It's incredibly depressing.
From what?
From what I can recall: Murray--8 million, Mathews 4 million, Jenkins 7 million, Maxwell--almost 10 million, cooper 5 million.

How the hell can they rebuild with some of these numbers?

The Cooper contact is one the most egregious in sports history.
I'll still take Cooper at 5 million over Maxwell at 10 million. That hurts to look at.
Some of these cap hits would be unreal. I think Marcus Smith is 3 million to cut. There are others too but can't recall the numbers. I know Gargano after reading the list, sounded like a man being pulled over for a DUI. And he's usually the most upbeat of the hosts. It paints a bleak picture for a turnaround on just how bad Kelly has wrecked the roster. Just the money alone tied up in the RBs when the rest of the league views that position as the most fungible and letting Maclin go while assembling the worst WR core in the league shows how over his head he is as a GM. It's simple indefensible.

 
After having time to digest the anger and frustration from this last month, I think we can rationally see that Chip is not getting fired and nor should he get fired.

Think about how many times we look to Cleveland, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Oakland, etc and how they're a revolving door for coaches. We all declare them joke organizations doomed to stay where they are. Now if Lurie were to fire Chip after 3 seasons, 2 of them successful, the Eagles could be in danger of becoming one of them. Because once Lurie pulls the trigger on a coach early, he has the power to do it again, and again and again at the first sign of failure.

Chip has made some mistakes, pretty terrible ones but he also had some pretty good ideas and can certainly coach when called upon. Firing him after one bad year is like a bad Bond Villain killing his top scientist for failing one time. Give the guy a chance to make some corrections.

Chips going to be our coach at least through 2017. We'll see if he's as smart as he thinks he is.
What about firing him as the GM? Is that even possible? Can you remove Chip as GM and still keep him as the coach?
He would quit if that happened. It's pretty certain that he would have quit last offseason had he not gotten full control over football operations.

 
Can anybody get the breakdown in the cap ramifications for next season? Heard it on the radio. It's incredibly depressing.
From what?
From what I can recall: Murray--8 million, Mathews 4 million, Jenkins 7 million, Maxwell--almost 10 million, cooper 5 million.

How the hell can they rebuild with some of these numbers?

The Cooper contact is one the most egregious in sports history.
I'll still take Cooper at 5 million over Maxwell at 10 million. That hurts to look at.
Some of these cap hits would be unreal. I think Marcus Smith is 3 million to cut. There are others too but can't recall the numbers. I know Gargano after reading the list, sounded like a man being pulled over for a DUI. And he's usually the most upbeat of the hosts. It paints a bleak picture for a turnaround on just how bad Kelly has wrecked the roster. Just the money alone tied up in the RBs when the rest of the league views that position as the most fungible and letting Maclin go while assembling the worst WR core in the league shows how over his head he is as a GM. It's simple indefensible.
This suggests that perhaps this is the optimal strategy:

Lose out. Take QB with top-5 pick in 2016 draft. Let Bradford walk and keep Sanchez (under contract one more year) in Doug Pedersen-type bridge role. Take two or three OL also. Spend almost nothing in free agency. Punt 2016 while rebuilding O-Line and letting first round QB learn. In 2016-17 offseason, cut Cooper, Smith and whoever else from the overpaid list it makes sense to cut. Then sign FAs in areas of need and go into 2017 with them, second-year high-upside QB and new-look OL.

 
Here it is from OvertheCap

Maxwell is here through next year at least. It would cost us $13.3 mil to cut him when his cap number is $9.7mil. We can save $8.1mil cutting him in 2017. Demarco the same. Costs us $13.3mil to cut against a $8mil cap number.

If Peters is truly done, that's a decent savings. If he's cut, we save $6.3 mil next year. Sanchez would be a $3.5mil savings. Celek $5mil. Cooper would save us $2.9 mil. Got to think he's gone. Sproles and Demeco save $3.5mil each.

Marcus Smith costs $1mil to send away. Sounds like a deal.

Not nearly as dire as the idiots on the radio misrepresented.

 
Can anybody get the breakdown in the cap ramifications for next season? Heard it on the radio. It's incredibly depressing.
From what?
From what I can recall: Murray--8 million, Mathews 4 million, Jenkins 7 million, Maxwell--almost 10 million, cooper 5 million.

How the hell can they rebuild with some of these numbers?

The Cooper contact is one the most egregious in sports history.
I'll still take Cooper at 5 million over Maxwell at 10 million. That hurts to look at.
Some of these cap hits would be unreal. I think Marcus Smith is 3 million to cut. There are others too but can't recall the numbers. I know Gargano after reading the list, sounded like a man being pulled over for a DUI. And he's usually the most upbeat of the hosts. It paints a bleak picture for a turnaround on just how bad Kelly has wrecked the roster. Just the money alone tied up in the RBs when the rest of the league views that position as the most fungible and letting Maclin go while assembling the worst WR core in the league shows how over his head he is as a GM. It's simple indefensible.
This suggests that perhaps this is the optimal strategy:Lose out. Take QB with top-5 pick in 2016 draft. Let Bradford walk and keep Sanchez (under contract one more year) in Doug Pedersen-type bridge role. Take two or three OL also. Spend almost nothing in free agency. Punt 2016 while rebuilding O-Line and letting first round QB learn. In 2016-17 offseason, cut Cooper, Smith and whoever else from the overpaid list it makes sense to cut. Then sign FAs in areas of need and go into 2017 with them, second-year high-upside QB and new-look OL.
One if the points made in the radio is that here we are December 1st 2015 and we are discussing who we can cut in 2017. That's really, really friggen disheartening.

 
Can anybody get the breakdown in the cap ramifications for next season? Heard it on the radio. It's incredibly depressing.
From what?
From what I can recall: Murray--8 million, Mathews 4 million, Jenkins 7 million, Maxwell--almost 10 million, cooper 5 million.

How the hell can they rebuild with some of these numbers?

The Cooper contact is one the most egregious in sports history.
I'll still take Cooper at 5 million over Maxwell at 10 million. That hurts to look at.
Some of these cap hits would be unreal. I think Marcus Smith is 3 million to cut. There are others too but can't recall the numbers. I know Gargano after reading the list, sounded like a man being pulled over for a DUI. And he's usually the most upbeat of the hosts. It paints a bleak picture for a turnaround on just how bad Kelly has wrecked the roster. Just the money alone tied up in the RBs when the rest of the league views that position as the most fungible and letting Maclin go while assembling the worst WR core in the league shows how over his head he is as a GM. It's simple indefensible.
On the bright side, look at the division. Not one of the four are in a great situation at quarterback. I suppose the Giants may be in the best shape, because Eli should have three years of good football left. But Romo looks to be at the end of the line. He's up there in age and has become very brittle. They have no running backs and their best defensive player is a concussion away from retirement. Plus, they're tearing their locker room apart with the personnel decisions of bringing criminals on the team. Last year was their golden chance and it slipped away. They're on the downslope now. Washington has Cousins. He can occasionally play decent but certainly doesn't look like a long term answer. I'd rather have Bradford than him, no doubt about that. I can't imagine being worse than we are this year and no one is good enough to separate. The best we can hope for is that Bradford continues the improvement he was starting to show before the injury, and that Matthews and Agholar develop into good receivers. I think Jordan Hicks being so good and so young is going to be a huge positive on the other side of the ball. I think we're miles from being the best team in the league, but very close to being able to overtake the others inside the division.

 
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Here it is from OvertheCap

Maxwell is here through next year at least. It would cost us $13.3 mil to cut him when his cap number is $9.7mil. We can save $8.1mil cutting him in 2017. Demarco the same. Costs us $13.3mil to cut against a $8mil cap number.

If Peters is truly done, that's a decent savings. If he's cut, we save $6.3 mil next year. Sanchez would be a $3.5mil savings. Celek $5mil. Cooper would save us $2.9 mil. Got to think he's gone. Sproles and Demeco save $3.5mil each.

Marcus Smith costs $1mil to send away. Sounds like a deal.

Not nearly as dire as the idiots on the radio misrepresented.
Really? Ok well I'm slightly better feeling now ;-)

 
Can anybody get the breakdown in the cap ramifications for next season? Heard it on the radio. It's incredibly depressing.
From what?
From what I can recall: Murray--8 million, Mathews 4 million, Jenkins 7 million, Maxwell--almost 10 million, cooper 5 million.

How the hell can they rebuild with some of these numbers?

The Cooper contact is one the most egregious in sports history.
I'll still take Cooper at 5 million over Maxwell at 10 million. That hurts to look at.
Some of these cap hits would be unreal. I think Marcus Smith is 3 million to cut. There are others too but can't recall the numbers. I know Gargano after reading the list, sounded like a man being pulled over for a DUI. And he's usually the most upbeat of the hosts. It paints a bleak picture for a turnaround on just how bad Kelly has wrecked the roster. Just the money alone tied up in the RBs when the rest of the league views that position as the most fungible and letting Maclin go while assembling the worst WR core in the league shows how over his head he is as a GM. It's simple indefensible.
This suggests that perhaps this is the optimal strategy:Lose out. Take QB with top-5 pick in 2016 draft. Let Bradford walk and keep Sanchez (under contract one more year) in Doug Pedersen-type bridge role. Take two or three OL also. Spend almost nothing in free agency. Punt 2016 while rebuilding O-Line and letting first round QB learn. In 2016-17 offseason, cut Cooper, Smith and whoever else from the overpaid list it makes sense to cut. Then sign FAs in areas of need and go into 2017 with them, second-year high-upside QB and new-look OL.
One if the points made in the radio is that here we are December 1st 2015 and we are discussing who we can cut in 2017. That's really, really friggen disheartening.
I'd be willing to bet that every team has a few of these contracts they'd love to get rid of.

 
Can anybody get the breakdown in the cap ramifications for next season? Heard it on the radio. It's incredibly depressing.
From what?
From what I can recall: Murray--8 million, Mathews 4 million, Jenkins 7 million, Maxwell--almost 10 million, cooper 5 million.How the hell can they rebuild with some of these numbers?

The Cooper contact is one the most egregious in sports history.
I'll still take Cooper at 5 million over Maxwell at 10 million. That hurts to look at.
Some of these cap hits would be unreal. I think Marcus Smith is 3 million to cut. There are others too but can't recall the numbers. I know Gargano after reading the list, sounded like a man being pulled over for a DUI. And he's usually the most upbeat of the hosts. It paints a bleak picture for a turnaround on just how bad Kelly has wrecked the roster. Just the money alone tied up in the RBs when the rest of the league views that position as the most fungible and letting Maclin go while assembling the worst WR core in the league shows how over his head he is as a GM. It's simple indefensible.
On the bright side, look at the division. Not one of the four are in a great situation at quarterback. I suppose the Giants may be in the best shape, because Eli should have three years of good football left. But Romo looks to be at the end of the line. He's up there in age and has become very brittle. They have no running backs and their best defensive player is a concussion away from retirement. Plus, they're tearing their locker room apart with the personnel decisions of bringing criminals on the team. Last year was their golden chance and it slipped away. They're on the downslope now. Washington has Cousins. He can occasionally play decent but certainly doesn't look like a long term answer. I'd rather have Bradford than him, no doubt about that. I can't imagine being worse than we are this year and no one is good enough to separate. The best we can hope for is that Bradford continues the improvement he was starting to show before the injury, and that Matthews and Agholar develop into good receivers. I think Jordan Hicks being so good and so young is going to be a huge positive on the other side of the ball. I think we're miles from being the best team in the league, but very close to being able to overtake the others inside the division.
I disagree with the Bradford assessment. Even if we think he can be an ok QB, he's going to be a Huge cap hit for 2016-17. Would rather not do that.

 
Can anybody get the breakdown in the cap ramifications for next season? Heard it on the radio. It's incredibly depressing.
From what?
From what I can recall: Murray--8 million, Mathews 4 million, Jenkins 7 million, Maxwell--almost 10 million, cooper 5 million.

How the hell can they rebuild with some of these numbers?

The Cooper contact is one the most egregious in sports history.
I don't think that is right for Cooper from what had previously been reported.

 
Can anybody get the breakdown in the cap ramifications for next season? Heard it on the radio. It's incredibly depressing.
From what?
From what I can recall: Murray--8 million, Mathews 4 million, Jenkins 7 million, Maxwell--almost 10 million, cooper 5 million.How the hell can they rebuild with some of these numbers?

The Cooper contact is one the most egregious in sports history.
I'll still take Cooper at 5 million over Maxwell at 10 million. That hurts to look at.
Some of these cap hits would be unreal. I think Marcus Smith is 3 million to cut. There are others too but can't recall the numbers. I know Gargano after reading the list, sounded like a man being pulled over for a DUI. And he's usually the most upbeat of the hosts. It paints a bleak picture for a turnaround on just how bad Kelly has wrecked the roster. Just the money alone tied up in the RBs when the rest of the league views that position as the most fungible and letting Maclin go while assembling the worst WR core in the league shows how over his head he is as a GM. It's simple indefensible.
On the bright side, look at the division. Not one of the four are in a great situation at quarterback. I suppose the Giants may be in the best shape, because Eli should have three years of good football left. But Romo looks to be at the end of the line. He's up there in age and has become very brittle. They have no running backs and their best defensive player is a concussion away from retirement. Plus, they're tearing their locker room apart with the personnel decisions of bringing criminals on the team. Last year was their golden chance and it slipped away. They're on the downslope now. Washington has Cousins. He can occasionally play decent but certainly doesn't look like a long term answer. I'd rather have Bradford than him, no doubt about that. I can't imagine being worse than we are this year and no one is good enough to separate. The best we can hope for is that Bradford continues the improvement he was starting to show before the injury, and that Matthews and Agholar develop into good receivers. I think Jordan Hicks being so good and so young is going to be a huge positive on the other side of the ball. I think we're miles from being the best team in the league, but very close to being able to overtake the others inside the division.
I disagree with the Bradford assessment. Even if we think he can be an ok QB, he's going to be a Huge cap hit for 2016-17. Would rather not do that.
I'd love to see them find a rookie or Tyrod Taylor-type free agent. But I'd rather have Bradford than for them to go with Sanchez. These last two weeks (plus the end zone pick against Miami) should forever end any discussion about whether Sanchez is a starting NFL quarterback. I also don't want Kelly falling for the lure of a running quarterback and signing a disaster like Kaepernick or RG3 (or Maziel for that matter). Although my inclination is that none of them are the good culture guys that he likes, I hope he doesn't succumb to the pressure.

 
Here it is from OvertheCap

Maxwell is here through next year at least. It would cost us $13.3 mil to cut him when his cap number is $9.7mil. We can save $8.1mil cutting him in 2017. Demarco the same. Costs us $13.3mil to cut against a $8mil cap number.

If Peters is truly done, that's a decent savings. If he's cut, we save $6.3 mil next year. Sanchez would be a $3.5mil savings. Celek $5mil. Cooper would save us $2.9 mil. Got to think he's gone. Sproles and Demeco save $3.5mil each.

Marcus Smith costs $1mil to send away. Sounds like a deal.

Not nearly as dire as the idiots on the radio misrepresented.
How do you figure that number for Cooper? Not disagreeing, just not following the math from the link.

 
Here it is from OvertheCap

Maxwell is here through next year at least. It would cost us $13.3 mil to cut him when his cap number is $9.7mil. We can save $8.1mil cutting him in 2017. Demarco the same. Costs us $13.3mil to cut against a $8mil cap number.

If Peters is truly done, that's a decent savings. If he's cut, we save $6.3 mil next year. Sanchez would be a $3.5mil savings. Celek $5mil. Cooper would save us $2.9 mil. Got to think he's gone. Sproles and Demeco save $3.5mil each.

Marcus Smith costs $1mil to send away. Sounds like a deal.

Not nearly as dire as the idiots on the radio misrepresented.
How do you figure that number for Cooper? Not disagreeing, just not following the math from the link.
In 2016, Cooper makes $5.3mil. If we cut him before his salary is owed (6/1), then it only costs us $2.4mil. So $2.9mil savings on the cap.

 
Can anybody get the breakdown in the cap ramifications for next season? Heard it on the radio. It's incredibly depressing.
From what?
From what I can recall: Murray--8 million, Mathews 4 million, Jenkins 7 million, Maxwell--almost 10 million, cooper 5 million.How the hell can they rebuild with some of these numbers?

The Cooper contact is one the most egregious in sports history.
I'll still take Cooper at 5 million over Maxwell at 10 million. That hurts to look at.
Some of these cap hits would be unreal. I think Marcus Smith is 3 million to cut. There are others too but can't recall the numbers. I know Gargano after reading the list, sounded like a man being pulled over for a DUI. And he's usually the most upbeat of the hosts. It paints a bleak picture for a turnaround on just how bad Kelly has wrecked the roster. Just the money alone tied up in the RBs when the rest of the league views that position as the most fungible and letting Maclin go while assembling the worst WR core in the league shows how over his head he is as a GM. It's simple indefensible.
On the bright side, look at the division. Not one of the four are in a great situation at quarterback. I suppose the Giants may be in the best shape, because Eli should have three years of good football left. But Romo looks to be at the end of the line. He's up there in age and has become very brittle. They have no running backs and their best defensive player is a concussion away from retirement. Plus, they're tearing their locker room apart with the personnel decisions of bringing criminals on the team. Last year was their golden chance and it slipped away. They're on the downslope now. Washington has Cousins. He can occasionally play decent but certainly doesn't look like a long term answer. I'd rather have Bradford than him, no doubt about that. I can't imagine being worse than we are this year and no one is good enough to separate. The best we can hope for is that Bradford continues the improvement he was starting to show before the injury, and that Matthews and Agholar develop into good receivers. I think Jordan Hicks being so good and so young is going to be a huge positive on the other side of the ball. I think we're miles from being the best team in the league, but very close to being able to overtake the others inside the division.
I disagree with the Bradford assessment. Even if we think he can be an ok QB, he's going to be a Huge cap hit for 2016-17. Would rather not do that.
I'd love to see them find a rookie or Tyrod Taylor-type free agent. But I'd rather have Bradford than for them to go with Sanchez. These last two weeks (plus the end zone pick against Miami) should forever end any discussion about whether Sanchez is a starting NFL quarterback. I also don't want Kelly falling for the lure of a running quarterback and signing a disaster like Kaepernick or RG3 (or Maziel for that matter). Although my inclination is that none of them are the good culture guys that he likes, I hope he doesn't succumb to the pressure.
It's not about is he better than what's available. He's not signed and he WILL be the best QB available. That's more an indictment on the league than Bradford but he will have a season with decent stats and relative health under his belt to go to the open market. His going rate is going to be at least Cutler or Alex Smith territory and probably more due to scarcity. He's going to be a $18-20 mil cap hit per year for at least 2016 and 2017 but more than likely through 2019. That's a locked in Sam is the guy commitment till death do us part. Is he worth that? Cause if he's not, THAT will destroy the cap and derail any quick rebuild. This team doesn't need a high paid QB right now. They're not good enough for one.

 
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Can anybody get the breakdown in the cap ramifications for next season? Heard it on the radio. It's incredibly depressing.
From what?
From what I can recall: Murray--8 million, Mathews 4 million, Jenkins 7 million, Maxwell--almost 10 million, cooper 5 million.How the hell can they rebuild with some of these numbers?

The Cooper contact is one the most egregious in sports history.
I'll still take Cooper at 5 million over Maxwell at 10 million. That hurts to look at.
Some of these cap hits would be unreal. I think Marcus Smith is 3 million to cut. There are others too but can't recall the numbers. I know Gargano after reading the list, sounded like a man being pulled over for a DUI. And he's usually the most upbeat of the hosts. It paints a bleak picture for a turnaround on just how bad Kelly has wrecked the roster. Just the money alone tied up in the RBs when the rest of the league views that position as the most fungible and letting Maclin go while assembling the worst WR core in the league shows how over his head he is as a GM. It's simple indefensible.
On the bright side, look at the division. Not one of the four are in a great situation at quarterback. I suppose the Giants may be in the best shape, because Eli should have three years of good football left. But Romo looks to be at the end of the line. He's up there in age and has become very brittle. They have no running backs and their best defensive player is a concussion away from retirement. Plus, they're tearing their locker room apart with the personnel decisions of bringing criminals on the team. Last year was their golden chance and it slipped away. They're on the downslope now. Washington has Cousins. He can occasionally play decent but certainly doesn't look like a long term answer. I'd rather have Bradford than him, no doubt about that. I can't imagine being worse than we are this year and no one is good enough to separate. The best we can hope for is that Bradford continues the improvement he was starting to show before the injury, and that Matthews and Agholar develop into good receivers. I think Jordan Hicks being so good and so young is going to be a huge positive on the other side of the ball. I think we're miles from being the best team in the league, but very close to being able to overtake the others inside the division.
I disagree with the Bradford assessment. Even if we think he can be an ok QB, he's going to be a Huge cap hit for 2016-17. Would rather not do that.
I'd love to see them find a rookie or Tyrod Taylor-type free agent. But I'd rather have Bradford than for them to go with Sanchez. These last two weeks (plus the end zone pick against Miami) should forever end any discussion about whether Sanchez is a starting NFL quarterback. I also don't want Kelly falling for the lure of a running quarterback and signing a disaster like Kaepernick or RG3 (or Maziel for that matter). Although my inclination is that none of them are the good culture guys that he likes, I hope he doesn't succumb to the pressure.
It's not about is he better than what's available. He's not signed and he WILL be the best QB available. That's more an indictment on the league than Bradford but he will have a season with decent stats and relative health under his belt to go to the open market. His going rate is going to be at least Cutler or Alex Smith territory and probably more due to scarcity. He's going to be a $18-20 mil cap hit per year for at least 2016 and 2017 but more than likely through 2019. That's a locked in Sam is the guy commitment till death do us part. Is he worth that? Cause if he's not, THAT will destroy the cap and derail any quick rebuild.This team doesn't need a high paid QB right now. They're not good enough for one.
Unless he plays lights out for the remaining games, I would not sign him at 18 million per year. That's based on what I've seen up till now. I think I'd rather have Ryan Fitzpatrick. Now, at 12-15 million, I'd consider it. Simply because you need a QB and he's the best available.

 
Some injury notes from Birds 24/7

Walter Thurmond (unknown) and Josh Huff (concussion) both sat out Tuesday's practice, which was held inside the NovaCare bubble because of the rain. ("Let me run around on this concrete, baby!" said one defensive starter of the less than state-of-the-art facility.)

Ryan Mathews appeared at practice for the first time since suffering his concussion against Miami. While he didn't participate, his presence suggests that he is further along in the concussion protocol. Pat Shurmur indicated before the session that he is in fact making progress.

While they didn't exactly look spry, Jason Kelce (knee) and Jason Peters (ankle, back) both were taking part in warm-ups and the early portion of training.

Sam Bradford was out there and is expected to practice this week. Chip Kelly called Tuesday a "big test" for the quarterback to see how his non-throwing shoulder responds to the activity.

Zach Ertz (concussion) is expected to participate today, per Shurmur.

Also, Billy Davis at the presser today says we're about to see 'lots more of Rowe' with Thurmond IR'd.
 
Can anybody get the breakdown in the cap ramifications for next season? Heard it on the radio. It's incredibly depressing.
From what?
From what I can recall: Murray--8 million, Mathews 4 million, Jenkins 7 million, Maxwell--almost 10 million, cooper 5 million.How the hell can they rebuild with some of these numbers?

The Cooper contact is one the most egregious in sports history.
I'll still take Cooper at 5 million over Maxwell at 10 million. That hurts to look at.
Some of these cap hits would be unreal. I think Marcus Smith is 3 million to cut. There are others too but can't recall the numbers. I know Gargano after reading the list, sounded like a man being pulled over for a DUI. And he's usually the most upbeat of the hosts. It paints a bleak picture for a turnaround on just how bad Kelly has wrecked the roster. Just the money alone tied up in the RBs when the rest of the league views that position as the most fungible and letting Maclin go while assembling the worst WR core in the league shows how over his head he is as a GM. It's simple indefensible.
On the bright side, look at the division. Not one of the four are in a great situation at quarterback. I suppose the Giants may be in the best shape, because Eli should have three years of good football left. But Romo looks to be at the end of the line. He's up there in age and has become very brittle. They have no running backs and their best defensive player is a concussion away from retirement. Plus, they're tearing their locker room apart with the personnel decisions of bringing criminals on the team. Last year was their golden chance and it slipped away. They're on the downslope now. Washington has Cousins. He can occasionally play decent but certainly doesn't look like a long term answer. I'd rather have Bradford than him, no doubt about that. I can't imagine being worse than we are this year and no one is good enough to separate. The best we can hope for is that Bradford continues the improvement he was starting to show before the injury, and that Matthews and Agholar develop into good receivers. I think Jordan Hicks being so good and so young is going to be a huge positive on the other side of the ball. I think we're miles from being the best team in the league, but very close to being able to overtake the others inside the division.
I disagree with the Bradford assessment. Even if we think he can be an ok QB, he's going to be a Huge cap hit for 2016-17. Would rather not do that.
I'd love to see them find a rookie or Tyrod Taylor-type free agent. But I'd rather have Bradford than for them to go with Sanchez. These last two weeks (plus the end zone pick against Miami) should forever end any discussion about whether Sanchez is a starting NFL quarterback. I also don't want Kelly falling for the lure of a running quarterback and signing a disaster like Kaepernick or RG3 (or Maziel for that matter). Although my inclination is that none of them are the good culture guys that he likes, I hope he doesn't succumb to the pressure.
It's not about is he better than what's available. He's not signed and he WILL be the best QB available. That's more an indictment on the league than Bradford but he will have a season with decent stats and relative health under his belt to go to the open market. His going rate is going to be at least Cutler or Alex Smith territory and probably more due to scarcity. He's going to be a $18-20 mil cap hit per year for at least 2016 and 2017 but more than likely through 2019. That's a locked in Sam is the guy commitment till death do us part. Is he worth that? Cause if he's not, THAT will destroy the cap and derail any quick rebuild.This team doesn't need a high paid QB right now. They're not good enough for one.
Unless he plays lights out for the remaining games, I would not sign him at 18 million per year. That's based on what I've seen up till now. I think I'd rather have Ryan Fitzpatrick. Now, at 12-15 million, I'd consider it. Simply because you need a QB and he's the best available.
That would be the smarter move. Get a fill in for the average QB number. Draft a rookie and develop the guy for a change. I'll give him a Mulligan on the moves up until now but his development has been terrible. Chip needs to do some serious self evaluation on his coaching methods because he hasn't improved a single offensive player that he's brought in since he's been here.

 
Some injury notes from Birds 24/7

Walter Thurmond (unknown) and Josh Huff (concussion) both sat out Tuesday's practice, which was held inside the NovaCare bubble because of the rain. ("Let me run around on this concrete, baby!" said one defensive starter of the less than state-of-the-art facility.)

Ryan Mathews appeared at practice for the first time since suffering his concussion against Miami. While he didn't participate, his presence suggests that he is further along in the concussion protocol. Pat Shurmur indicated before the session that he is in fact making progress.

While they didn't exactly look spry, Jason Kelce (knee) and Jason Peters (ankle, back) both were taking part in warm-ups and the early portion of training.

Sam Bradford was out there and is expected to practice this week. Chip Kelly called Tuesday a "big test" for the quarterback to see how his non-throwing shoulder responds to the activity.

Zach Ertz (concussion) is expected to participate today, per Shurmur.

Also, Billy Davis at the presser today says we're about to see 'lots more of Rowe' with Thurmond IR'd.
Thurmond? You mean Carroll?

 

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