Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (3 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'd love to hear some Republican thoughts on the Flint water crisis. Would you support criminal charges if it is indeed found the the governor knowingly poisoned those people? I lean left so I have a horse in the race but I like to think I'd lean toward accountability even if it was a Democrat. Is this "wrong" enough to cross party lines?

Apparently EPA officials knew about this for months. I think this is like the Katrina levees and the Colorado river spill. Any public officials or private vendors employees who underdesigned, underreported, undermaintained or who converted funds for this program should go to jail. But like Katrina it likely will never happen.

 

[Rove!]

I'd love to hear some Republican thoughts on the Flint water crisis. Would you support criminal charges if it is indeed found the the governor knowingly poisoned those people? I lean left so I have a horse in the race but I like to think I'd lean toward accountability even if it was a Democrat. Is this "wrong" enough to cross party lines?

This belongs in the Flint thread, but

What did he know and when did he know it. If he chose to cover it up or pressured the DEQ to cover it up, then he should be charged. We know that the DEQ did know, fudged the test results and lied about the use of phosphates; so those folks should be charged. We also know that the EPA knew and sat on it, so , if not charges, I would expect a slew of resignations. We also learned that the state health department sat on an outbreak of Legionaires. I'm not sure what the correct protocol is on that kind of thing, but those folks should be sweating out their jobs and potential legal actions.

I am confident we will learn more in the coming weeks.

 

[General Malaise]

Why exactly do we care if someone is a natural born citizen or not? I would have zero problem voting for someone born in another country, or even someone who lived a good chunk of their life there.

You might not have been alive when birthers (including Donald Trump) cried incessantly over Obama's birth records. It was a funny, weird time to be alive. Just curious if the birthers are going crazy over Cruz.

 

[Todd Andrews]

I'd love to hear some Republican thoughts on the Flint water crisis. Would you support criminal charges if it is indeed found the the governor knowingly poisoned those people? I lean left so I have a horse in the race but I like to think I'd lean toward accountability even if it was a Democrat. Is this "wrong" enough to cross party lines?

This belongs in the Flint thread, but

What did he know and when did he know it. If he chose to cover it up or pressured the DEQ to cover it up, then he should be charged. We know that the DEQ did know, fudged the test results and lied about the use of phosphates; so those folks should be charged. We also know that the EPA knew and sat on it, so , if not charges, I would expect a slew of resignations. We also learned that the state health department sat on an outbreak of Legionaires. I'm not sure what the correct protocol is on that kind of thing, but those folks should be sweating out their jobs and potential legal actions.

I am confident we will learn more in the coming weeks.

That is all just flat out sickening.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Why exactly do we care if someone is a natural born citizen or not? I would have zero problem voting for someone born in another country, or even someone who lived a good chunk of their life there.

You might not have been alive when birthers (including Donald Trump) cried incessantly over Obama's birth records. It was a funny, weird time to be alive. Just curious if the birthers are going crazy over Cruz.

Didn't cruz provide the birth certificate and his mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware?

 

[Todd Andrews]

Why exactly do we care if someone is a natural born citizen or not? I would have zero problem voting for someone born in another country, or even someone who lived a good chunk of their life there.

You might not have been alive when birthers (including Donald Trump) cried incessantly over Obama's birth records. It was a funny, weird time to be alive. Just curious if the birthers are going crazy over Cruz.

Didn't cruz provide the birth certificate and his mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware?

That only makes him natural born if you believe in a liberal living Constitution, which Cruz does not. An originalist analysis means he cant be President because hes not natural born.

 

[squistion]

Why exactly do we care if someone is a natural born citizen or not? I would have zero problem voting for someone born in another country, or even someone who lived a good chunk of their life there.

You might not have been alive when birthers (including Donald Trump) cried incessantly over Obama's birth records. It was a funny, weird time to be alive. Just curious if the birthers are going crazy over Cruz.

Of course they are not. And I am sure their objections about Obama had nothing to do with his race.

 

[SIDA!]

Watched some of the debate and had to turn it off because I can only take so much. It's embarrassing that it seems this is the best we can do in this country. I mean really, is this the best we can do?Trump-- I guess his willingness to be politically incorrect is a plus but come on, this guy should not come close to the White House.Cruz-- the guy is scary. I have always said that whoever is president we can survive it. If he were to win I would have to change that.Rubio-- guy is a joke. I get the sense that he is trying to be some sort of Rep JFK statesman. Someone needs to tell him he's not even close. Does this guy EVER just say what he thinks? He is so full of talking points and statements that have been rehearsed in front of mirror 3,000 times...total rubbish.Bush-- give me a breakChristie-- get your fat ### off the stage. Guy is a complete ####### joke.Carson-- People seem to assume this guy is smart. I'm even starting to wonder if he didn't get his MD from a correspondence school that mails you a diploma for signing up for a newsletter. Guy is just trying to sell books, please go away.Kasich-- maybe the only adult on the stage.So it's a pathetic set of candidates imo. The D side is not much better. I like Bill Clinton but his wife is not Bill. Bernie stands for just about everything I believe in and so he gets my vote. So we have one candidate that I would consider voting for in the general..ONE ####### candidate.... just wow.

All that babble only to say you're a Bernie guy.

As if he had ANY interest in voting GOP in the first place.

99.5% of his post is railing against the GOP and he gives lip service with half a sentence on how he doesn't like Hillary.

Well, hispost was about the GOP debate in a GOP thread and you want him to spend most of it complaining about Hillary?

He's a full blown lefty and he's complaining there are no good GOP candidates to vote for. Shocking, right?

I know you get it, but you're just being obtuse.

But the truth is Max there's more than one Republican pundit who has written the exact same thing.

I haven't heard one republican pundit say they are voting for Bernie.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Hmmm....I always assumed "Natural Born" (when it comes to citizenship) means you were born in the US or one of your parents is a US citizen.

 

[sho nuff]

Watched some of the debate and had to turn it off because I can only take so much. It's embarrassing that it seems this is the best we can do in this country. I mean really, is this the best we can do?Trump-- I guess his willingness to be politically incorrect is a plus but come on, this guy should not come close to the White House.Cruz-- the guy is scary. I have always said that whoever is president we can survive it. If he were to win I would have to change that.Rubio-- guy is a joke. I get the sense that he is trying to be some sort of Rep JFK statesman. Someone needs to tell him he's not even close. Does this guy EVER just say what he thinks? He is so full of talking points and statements that have been rehearsed in front of mirror 3,000 times...total rubbish.Bush-- give me a breakChristie-- get your fat ### off the stage. Guy is a complete ####### joke.Carson-- People seem to assume this guy is smart. I'm even starting to wonder if he didn't get his MD from a correspondence school that mails you a diploma for signing up for a newsletter. Guy is just trying to sell books, please go away.Kasich-- maybe the only adult on the stage.So it's a pathetic set of candidates imo. The D side is not much better. I like Bill Clinton but his wife is not Bill. Bernie stands for just about everything I believe in and so he gets my vote. So we have one candidate that I would consider voting for in the general..ONE ####### candidate.... just wow.

All that babble only to say you're a Bernie guy.

As if he had ANY interest in voting GOP in the first place.

99.5% of his post is railing against the GOP and he gives lip service with half a sentence on how he doesn't like Hillary.

Well, hispost was about the GOP debate in a GOP thread and you want him to spend most of it complaining about Hillary?

He's a full blown lefty and he's complaining there are no good GOP candidates to vote for. Shocking, right?

I know you get it, but you're just being deliberately obtuse.

I get that you are a full blown righty and any criticism will annoy you.

I have no clue if he is a lefty...Im probably considered one too...despite never voting for a democrat for President.

This cast of GOP candidates is terrible (and I don't like the democratic candidates either)...but you complained that he barely talked about democrats in a post about the GOP debate and his thoughts from that...I know you get that too, but just want to complain more because that is what you do.

You still don't get it...not surprised. I guess obtuse is a natural trait with you instead of a deliberate one.

No one is complaining here, just pointing out the obvious fact that several others have also pointed out.

2 others...one of them the other hardcore right RBM.

I get it...and yes, you were complaining.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Why exactly do we care if someone is a natural born citizen or not? I would have zero problem voting for someone born in another country, or even someone who lived a good chunk of their life there.

You might not have been alive when birthers (including Donald Trump) cried incessantly over Obama's birth records. It was a funny, weird time to be alive. Just curious if the birthers are going crazy over Cruz.

Of course they are not. And I am sure their objections about Obama had nothing to do with his race. If you don't vote for the guy I vote for you're racist.

Oh, here we go with the race card again. I fixed your post for you.

For the record, how long do you plan on calling people racist for not agreeing with your choices?

 

[MaxThreshold]

Watched some of the debate and had to turn it off because I can only take so much. It's embarrassing that it seems this is the best we can do in this country. I mean really, is this the best we can do?Trump-- I guess his willingness to be politically incorrect is a plus but come on, this guy should not come close to the White House.Cruz-- the guy is scary. I have always said that whoever is president we can survive it. If he were to win I would have to change that.Rubio-- guy is a joke. I get the sense that he is trying to be some sort of Rep JFK statesman. Someone needs to tell him he's not even close. Does this guy EVER just say what he thinks? He is so full of talking points and statements that have been rehearsed in front of mirror 3,000 times...total rubbish.Bush-- give me a breakChristie-- get your fat ### off the stage. Guy is a complete ####### joke.Carson-- People seem to assume this guy is smart. I'm even starting to wonder if he didn't get his MD from a correspondence school that mails you a diploma for signing up for a newsletter. Guy is just trying to sell books, please go away.Kasich-- maybe the only adult on the stage.So it's a pathetic set of candidates imo. The D side is not much better. I like Bill Clinton but his wife is not Bill. Bernie stands for just about everything I believe in and so he gets my vote. So we have one candidate that I would consider voting for in the general..ONE ####### candidate.... just wow.

All that babble only to say you're a Bernie guy.

As if he had ANY interest in voting GOP in the first place.

99.5% of his post is railing against the GOP and he gives lip service with half a sentence on how he doesn't like Hillary.

Well, hispost was about the GOP debate in a GOP thread and you want him to spend most of it complaining about Hillary?

He's a full blown lefty and he's complaining there are no good GOP candidates to vote for. Shocking, right?

I know you get it, but you're just being deliberately obtuse.

I get that you are a full blown righty and any criticism will annoy you.

I have no clue if he is a lefty...Im probably considered one too...despite never voting for a democrat for President.

This cast of GOP candidates is terrible (and I don't like the democratic candidates either)...but you complained that he barely talked about democrats in a post about the GOP debate and his thoughts from that...I know you get that too, but just want to complain more because that is what you do.

You still don't get it...not surprised. I guess obtuse is a natural trait with you instead of a deliberate one.

No one is complaining here, just pointing out the obvious fact that several others have also pointed out.

2 others...one of them the other hardcore right RBM.

I get it...and yes, you were complaining.

No, I wasn't. Pointing out the obvious absurdity of his post is not complaining. We can do this all day

 

[sho nuff]

Why exactly do we care if someone is a natural born citizen or not? I would have zero problem voting for someone born in another country, or even someone who lived a good chunk of their life there.

You might not have been alive when birthers (including Donald Trump) cried incessantly over Obama's birth records. It was a funny, weird time to be alive. Just curious if the birthers are going crazy over Cruz.

Of course they are not. And I am sure their objections about Obama had nothing to do with his race. If you don't vote for the guy I vote for you're racist.

Oh, here we go with the race card again. I fixed your post for you.

For the record, how long do you plan on calling people racist for not agreeing with your choices?

He didn't...he imied race had a lot to do with the birther movement. And it likely did

 

[MaxThreshold]

Why exactly do we care if someone is a natural born citizen or not? I would have zero problem voting for someone born in another country, or even someone who lived a good chunk of their life there.

You might not have been alive when birthers (including Donald Trump) cried incessantly over Obama's birth records. It was a funny, weird time to be alive. Just curious if the birthers are going crazy over Cruz.

Of course they are not. And I am sure their objections about Obama had nothing to do with his race. If you don't vote for the guy I vote for you're racist.

Oh, here we go with the race card again. I fixed your post for you.

For the record, how long do you plan on calling people racist for not agreeing with your choices?

He didn't...he imied race had a lot to do with the birther movement. And it likely did

So I was right. thanks for agreeing with me.

 

[sho nuff]

Why exactly do we care if someone is a natural born citizen or not? I would have zero problem voting for someone born in another country, or even someone who lived a good chunk of their life there.

You might not have been alive when birthers (including Donald Trump) cried incessantly over Obama's birth records. It was a funny, weird time to be alive. Just curious if the birthers are going crazy over Cruz.

Of course they are not. And I am sure their objections about Obama had nothing to do with his race. If you don't vote for the guy I vote for you're racist.

Oh, here we go with the race card again. I fixed your post for you.

For the record, how long do you plan on calling people racist for not agreeing with your choices?

He didn't...he imied race had a lot to do with the birther movement. And it likely did

So I was right. thanks for agreeing with me.

You need to learn to read better. Should spend time on that while you troll the seahawks game thread.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Why exactly do we care if someone is a natural born citizen or not? I would have zero problem voting for someone born in another country, or even someone who lived a good chunk of their life there.

You might not have been alive when birthers (including Donald Trump) cried incessantly over Obama's birth records. It was a funny, weird time to be alive. Just curious if the birthers are going crazy over Cruz.

Of course they are not. And I am sure their objections about Obama had nothing to do with his race. If you don't vote for the guy I vote for you're racist.

Oh, here we go with the race card again. I fixed your post for you.

For the record, how long do you plan on calling people racist for not agreeing with your choices?

He didn't...he imied race had a lot to do with the birther movement. And it likely did

So I was right. thanks for agreeing with me.

You need to learn to read better. Should spend time on that while you troll the seahawks game thread.

Says the King Troll himself. You need to lighten up, buddy. You're taking things a) out of context and b) way too seriously.

Jesus, I had to explain to you what meant in the other thread for crying out loud because you apparently thought that was some kind of slight.

 

[sho nuff]

Context

Take a break man...you're struggling.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Context

Take a break man...you're struggling.

How about you do us all a favor and take a break. You're only making it worse for yourself.

Let's see who gets the last word in. I'm off all day.

 

[NREC34]

Why exactly do we care if someone is a natural born citizen or not? I would have zero problem voting for someone born in another country, or even someone who lived a good chunk of their life there.

You might not have been alive when birthers (including Donald Trump) cried incessantly over Obama's birth records. It was a funny, weird time to be alive. Just curious if the birthers are going crazy over Cruz.

Seems like if I recall it right, at the time they were in full blown meltdown mode over it our commander in chief was busy trying to take out Osama Bin Laden.

 

[The Z Machine]

I have a nephew (by marriage) whose mother is a US citizen (born in Philly), and whose father became naturalized about a decade ago,but he has never lived in the U.S.

Should he be eligible to become POTUS?

 

[MaxThreshold]

I have a nephew (by marriage) whose mother is a US citizen (born in Philly), and whose father became naturalized about a decade ago,but he has never lived in the U.S.

Should he be eligible to become POTUS?

Yes. That was always my impression as long as you were born as a US Citizen (by parents who are US citizens).

 

[[scooter]]

Hmmm....I always assumed "Natural Born" (when it comes to citizenship) means you were born in the US or one of your parents is a US citizen.

"Natural Born" does not have an official definition under current U.S. law. There are several laws that define "citizen", but none of them use the phrase "natural born".

Ted Cruz' citizenship status would fall under the The Immigration And Nationality Act Of 1952, which states that when a child (born outside the U.S.) has only one citizen parent, that parent must have been physically present in the United States for 10 years (at least 5 of which were after the age of 14). Note that "physically present" is different from "resided in". And so far Cruz has offered little proof that his mother was physically present in the United States for at least 10 years.

Also, there is the question of whether Cruz' mother lost her American citizenship by becoming a Canadian citizen. If so, then Cruz obviously would not be an American citizen at all. The Supreme Court ruled in 1967 that people who become citizens of other countries do not lose their American citizenship unless they intend to lose it, but so far Cruz has not provided any documentation showing his mother's intentions.

And even if Cruz's mother DID retain her American citizenship and she WAS physically present in the United States for 10 years, that would still not resolve the question of whether Cruz is a "natural born" citizen. There were many founding fathers who believed that "natural born" meant "born on U.S. soil". The only way to conclusively resolve Cruz' citizenship status is to have the Supreme Court rule on it. Or amend the Constitution.

 

[The Z Machine]

I have a nephew (by marriage) whose mother is a US citizen (born in Philly), and whose father became naturalized about a decade ago,but he has never lived in the U.S.

Should he be eligible to become POTUS?

Yes. That was always my impression as long as you were born as a US Citizen (by parents who are US citizens).

Interesting... By current immigration law, he isn't eligible for citizenship, but you think he should be eligible for president.

 

[skol asylum]

Any strict constructionist has to go by the letter of the law. Natural born clearly means born naturally, through the ######l canal.

As Cruz is a pod person this disqualifies him from holding the office.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Any strict constructionist has to go by the letter of the law. Natural born clearly means born naturally, through the ######l canal.

As Cruz is a pod person this disqualifies him from holding the office.

You're right!

 

[skol asylum]

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/cruz-iowa.jpg?w=640

 

[squistion]

Stephen Gaskill ‏@StephenGaskill 3m3 minutes ago

Pandering or paranoid? Marco Rubio: My gun a "last line of defense" against ISIS http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marco-rubio-my-gun-is-a-last-line-of-defense-against-isis … via @cbsnews

 

[[scooter]]

Stephen Gaskill ‏@StephenGaskill 3m3 minutes ago

Pandering or paranoid? Marco Rubio: My gun a "last line of defense" against ISIS http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marco-rubio-my-gun-is-a-last-line-of-defense-against-isis … via @cbsnews

The phrase "last line of defense" implies a defeatist attitude.

 

[cstu]

In fact, if ISIS were to visit us, or our communities, at any moment, the last line of defense between ISIS and my family is the ability that I have to protect my family from them, or from a criminal, or anyone else who seeks to do us harm.

Hey moron, ISIS isn't breaking into your home at night.

Republicans ought to be embarrassed by their Party.

 

[MaxThreshold]

In fact, if ISIS were to visit us, or our communities, at any moment, the last line of defense between ISIS and my family is the ability that I have to protect my family from them, or from a criminal, or anyone else who seeks to do us harm.

Hey moron, ISIS isn't breaking into your home at night.

Republicans ought to be embarrassed by their Party.

Which is funny because you have a Socialist and a lying, corrupt POS at the head of your Party.

 

[Fennis]

In America you have party, in Russia Party have You!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

In fact, if ISIS were to visit us, or our communities, at any moment, the last line of defense between ISIS and my family is the ability that I have to protect my family from them, or from a criminal, or anyone else who seeks to do us harm.

Hey moron, ISIS isn't breaking into your home at night.

Republicans ought to be embarrassed by their Party.

Which is funny because you have a Socialist and a lying, corrupt POS at the head of your Party.

And yet it's about 1/1000th as embarrassing. Your statement doesn't help Republicans at all, kind of elucidates how bad they really are.

 

[James Daulton]

Woody was a natural born killa.

 

[MaxThreshold]

In fact, if ISIS were to visit us, or our communities, at any moment, the last line of defense between ISIS and my family is the ability that I have to protect my family from them, or from a criminal, or anyone else who seeks to do us harm.

Hey moron, ISIS isn't breaking into your home at night.

Republicans ought to be embarrassed by their Party.

Which is funny because you have a Socialist and a lying, corrupt POS at the head of your Party.

And yet it's about 1/1000th as embarrassing. Your statement doesn't help Republicans at all, kind of elucidates how bad they really are.

Uhmmm....no. I think Socialist and corrupt and lying POS are more embarrassing.

 

[Johnnymac]

In fact, if ISIS were to visit us, or our communities, at any moment, the last line of defense between ISIS and my family is the ability that I have to protect my family from them, or from a criminal, or anyone else who seeks to do us harm.

Hey moron, ISIS isn't breaking into your home at night.

Republicans ought to be embarrassed by their Party.

Which is funny because you have a Socialist and a lying, corrupt POS at the head of your Party.

Max this is bad even for you.

 

[dschuler]

Dems going after Trump tonight, I guess they feel he has it locked up

 

[Steve Tasker]

In fact, if ISIS were to visit us, or our communities, at any moment, the last line of defense between ISIS and my family is the ability that I have to protect my family from them, or from a criminal, or anyone else who seeks to do us harm.

Hey moron, ISIS isn't breaking into your home at night.

Republicans ought to be embarrassed by their Party.

Which is funny because you have a Socialist and a lying, corrupt POS at the head of your Party.

10 months out from the election, and you're already melting down in here?

 

[The General]

Stephen Gaskill ‏@StephenGaskill 3m3 minutes ago

Pandering or paranoid? Marco Rubio: My gun a "last line of defense" against ISIS http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marco-rubio-my-gun-is-a-last-line-of-defense-against-isis … via @cbsnews

This is about the most pandery of all pandering politician moves of all-time. Bravo, Rubio.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Why is term socialist deemed derogatory? Ignorance? Brainwashing? As a finance major who is rounding out my degree this has always confused me.

Capitalism, running full bore and completely unfettered, will do nothing but produce more financial crises similar to the 06 housing bubble. The truth is you need to find a happy balance between the two.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Why is term socialist deemed derogatory? Ignorance? Brainwashing? As a finance major who is rounding out my degree this has always confused me.

Capitalism, running full bore and completely unfettered, will do nothing but produce more financial crises similar to the 06 housing bubble. The truth is you need to find a happy balance between the two.

It has to do with the definition of socialism, which is a sliding scale.

No one wants to talk about that.

 

[crnerblitz]

at MaxThreshold. You should announce your candidacy. You would fit right in with Trump and Cruise. I do not think that lapdogs qualify. Constitutionally speaking that is.

 

[Johnnymac]

Why is term socialist deemed derogatory? Ignorance? Brainwashing? As a finance major who is rounding out my degree this has always confused me.

Capitalism, running full bore and completely unfettered, will do nothing but produce more financial crises similar to the 06 housing bubble. The truth is you need to find a happy balance between the two.

A major reason why Sanders has an uphill climb. The term socialist in this country is like being Nazi. The electorate is stupid and they hear socialist is bad , no vote.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Oh dear God.

All talk, no brains.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Oh dear God.

All talk, no brains.

I agree with that quote from Scales.

 

[bakes]

Maybe natural born citizen means that you had to be delivered by natural childbirth, rather than by C section.

If that is the case, I can only imagine the look on poor Mrs Cruz's face when she looked down and saw this staring back at her from betwixt her legs...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Where did the Cuban in Cruz go?

 

[bakes]

Maybe natural born citizen means that you had to be delivered by natural childbirth, rather than by C section.

If that is the case, I can only imagine the look on poor Mrs Cruz's face when she looked down and saw this staring back at her from betwixt her legs...

 

[[scooter]]

Where did the Cuban in Cruz go?

It went to the same place where his real first name went.

 

[SIDA!]

Why is term socialist deemed derogatory? Ignorance? Brainwashing? As a finance major who is rounding out my degree this has always confused me.

Capitalism, running full bore and completely unfettered, will do nothing but produce more financial crises similar to the 06 housing bubble. The truth is you need to find a happy balance between the two.

I'm not sure you really understand capitalism if you think it was the cause of the housing bubble.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Why is term socialist deemed derogatory? Ignorance? Brainwashing? As a finance major who is rounding out my degree this has always confused me.

Capitalism, running full bore and completely unfettered, will do nothing but produce more financial crises similar to the 06 housing bubble. The truth is you need to find a happy balance between the two.

I'm not sure you really understand capitalism if you think it was the cause of the housing bubble.

I do and it did, but please, go on..