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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

SameSongNDance said:
Why is term socialist deemed derogatory? Ignorance? Brainwashing? As a finance major who is rounding out my degree this has always confused me.

Capitalism, running full bore and completely unfettered, will do nothing but produce more financial crises similar to the 06 housing bubble. The truth is you need to find a happy balance between the two.
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How can you pay for the increase in social programs that socialism requires while maintaining the largest military in the world?

If you cut the US military budget by a lot, it will be very close to China's military budget. If the spending between the two nations is too close, they will seize the opportunity and boost their defense spending to pass the US.

Right now the US military budget is about $589b to $129b for China. Cut the US military budget to $300b (some figures show universal health coverage for all Americans alone will add $200b to the budget and that's likely a lowball estimate) and I bet China raises theirs to $400b. It might mean cutting some social programs on their behalf but they'll do it. More realistic is cutting the US defense budget under $200b annually to add all components of socialism to the system.

If the US switches to socialism, it means China is the world's police. I don't know if anyone wants that.

China doesn't believe in freedom of speech, political freedom, or even human rights really. They believe in a secret police and detention camps. As the world police, China would now have an ability to pressure the west to adopt these views.

 
Riversco said:
SameSongNDance said:
Why is term socialist deemed derogatory? Ignorance? Brainwashing? As a finance major who is rounding out my degree this has always confused me.

Capitalism, running full bore and completely unfettered, will do nothing but produce more financial crises similar to the 06 housing bubble. The truth is you need to find a happy balance between the two.
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How can you pay for the increase in social programs that socialism requires while maintaining the largest military in the world?

If you cut the US military budget by a lot, it will be very close to China's military budget. If the spending between the two nations is too close, they will seize the opportunity and boost their defense spending to pass the US.

Right now the US military budget is about $589b to $129b for China. Cut the US military budget to $300b (some figures show universal health coverage for all Americans alone will add $200b to the budget and that's likely a lowball estimate) and I bet China raises theirs to $400b. It might mean cutting some social programs on their behalf but they'll do it. More realistic is cutting the US defense budget under $200b annually to add all components of socialism to the system.

If the US switches to socialism, it means China is the world's police. I don't know if anyone wants that.

China doesn't believe in freedom of speech, political freedom, or even human rights really. They believe in a secret police and detention camps. As the world police, China would now have an ability to pressure the west to adopt these views.
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And if they want to hurt their citizens in order to win an unofficial schlong-measuring contest, that's on them. I'd prefer the US not take that route.

 
SameSongNDance said:
SIDA! said:
SameSongNDance said:
Why is term socialist deemed derogatory? Ignorance? Brainwashing? As a finance major who is rounding out my degree this has always confused me.

Capitalism, running full bore and completely unfettered, will do nothing but produce more financial crises similar to the 06 housing bubble. The truth is you need to find a happy balance between the two.
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I'm not sure you really understand capitalism if you think it was the cause of the housing bubble.
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I do and it did, but please, go on..
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No. Unfortunately, you clearly don't. Capitalism didn't cause a housing bubble. The number one reason for the housing bubble was that the federal government insured loans to unqualified borrowers thereby eliminating the risk to lenders.

The government basically handed out free call options to lenders.

Or are you really under the impression that capitalists would give 30 year loans at super low rates to borrowers with literally no skin in the game? ####, some people were getting money back on top of 100% no money down loans.

I'm also curious to know why a capitalist would give someone a loan with out any proof of income?

Please elaborate on how it is you think capitalism is responsible for the housing boom/crash.

 
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Riversco said:
SameSongNDance said:
Why is term socialist deemed derogatory? Ignorance? Brainwashing? As a finance major who is rounding out my degree this has always confused me.

Capitalism, running full bore and completely unfettered, will do nothing but produce more financial crises similar to the 06 housing bubble. The truth is you need to find a happy balance between the two.
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How can you pay for the increase in social programs that socialism requires while maintaining the largest military in the world?

If you cut the US military budget by a lot, it will be very close to China's military budget. If the spending between the two nations is too close, they will seize the opportunity and boost their defense spending to pass the US.

Right now the US military budget is about $589b to $129b for China. Cut the US military budget to $300b (some figures show universal health coverage for all Americans alone will add $200b to the budget and that's likely a lowball estimate) and I bet China raises theirs to $400b. It might mean cutting some social programs on their behalf but they'll do it. More realistic is cutting the US defense budget under $200b annually to add all components of socialism to the system.

If the US switches to socialism, it means China is the world's police. I don't know if anyone wants that.

China doesn't believe in freedom of speech, political freedom, or even human rights really. They believe in a secret police and detention camps. As the world police, China would now have an ability to pressure the west to adopt these views.
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You can't. We spend 70 billion (~6%) on education and 66 billion (~6%) on health services.. how can I look at the 598 billion (~54%) being spent on defense and not question it's absolute necessity? It's not like funds are being optimized either. We spend insane amounts of money on private contractors, numerous of which have been fined for fraudulent activities, all of which contribute to the military industrial complex that the GOP seems to gloss over when it comes to government spending (aside from Rand Paul). As for China, our relationship with them is symbiotic. Unless they're planning on invading us, I'm not too worried about our military budgets reaching parity if it means a more educated/healthier population.

 
SIDA! said:
The number one reason for the housing bubble was that the federal government insured loans to unqualified borrowers thereby eliminating the risk to lenders.

The government basically handed out free call options to lenders.

Or are you really under the impression that capitalists would give 30 year loans at super low rates to borrowers with literally no skin in the game?
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Do you know the percentage of bubble loans were actually backed by the federal government? It was less than 40%. Don't believe me? Check for yourself here (says 40% overall) or here (says 24% at the peak). It's true that Fannie and Freddie own a larger percentage of loans today, but that's only because so many private institutions went bankrupt after the housing crisis.

The fact is, the housing bubble was caused by greed. That greed was partly fueled by government incentives, but it was the unchecked and unregulated private lenders that did the most damage. Fannie and Freddie weren't even allowed to underwrite more than $417K for a home, which pretty much eliminated all the McMansions that were fueling the bubble in the first place.

But to answer your question: YES, capitalists were all-too-eager to give 30-year loans at super low rates. You know why? Because they knew they could immediately package the loans with some other securities and sell them at a massive profit to unsuspecting investors, all without the slightest bit of government intervention.

If anything, it was one of the last examples of pure capitalism that this country has seen. No rules, no regulations, just profits. It was the wild wild west all over again, if only for a few years. And don't forget that this ALL happened when Republicans controlled the White House AND both chambers of Congress! George Bush repeatedly praised the housing boom as a shining light of capitalism, and he did everything he could to loosen the regulations on home buying. NOBODY (except Ron Paul) suggested that we try to slow things down (not even the Democrats).

I can't tell if you're trying to re-write history or if you're a 7th grader who's just learning this stuff, but either way you should familiarize yourself with the subject. I suggest starting here and here.

 
Go watch The Apartment or movies of that time. Doctors made a great living buy didn't retire as millionaires at 60.

 
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I listened to a radio commercial aimed at blind people today on sports radio. Offering a drug to help them sleep. Which is great but shows how even that is so lucrative.

 
bakes said:
Maybe natural born citizen means that you had to be delivered by natural childbirth, rather than by C section.

If that is the case, I can only imagine the look on poor Mrs Cruz's face when she looked down and saw this staring back at her from betwixt her legs...
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I highly doubt she gave birth to a fully grown man.

 
Daywalker said:
Reduce cost of medical school. Pay doctors less. Like everywhere else.
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Or train more doctors and nurses with public money.

It's funny how the left isn't really left, Bernie isn't really that socialist.

If you want an argument for socialism, have the government educate doctors and nurses and build public hospitals and clinics. That would make HC free or near free for the needy and drive down costs for the private sector because of competition. - That is a socialism and public health which might work and help everyone.

 
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I have to admit I am not an expert on this - but I think doctors' salaries are about tenth on the list of reasons our healthcare costs so much.

 
SIDA! said:
No. Unfortunately, you clearly don't.

Capitalism didn't cause a housing bubble. The number one reason for the housing bubble was that the federal government insured loans to unqualified borrowers thereby eliminating the risk to lenders.

The government basically handed out free call options to lenders.

Or are you really under the impression that capitalists would give 30 year loans at super low rates to borrowers with literally no skin in the game? ####, some people were getting money back on top of 100% no money down loans.

I'm also curious to know why a capitalist would give someone a loan with out any proof of income?

Please elaborate on how it is you think capitalism is responsible for the housing boom/crash.
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What percent of loans were federally insured (i.e. FHA) loans?

 
Daywalker said:
Reduce cost of medical school. Pay doctors less. Like everywhere else.
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I agree with this.

The amount of debt physicians are in when they graduate is crazy. I know of doctors who pay 3-4K a month on their student loans.

It's ignorant as hell to suggest that doctors are the reason for our healthcare costs.

 
bud29 said:
Smack Tripper said:
Trump at Liberty university -"if I'm president, you're gonna see merry Christmas In, department stores again, you're gonna see a LOT of things"

:lmao:
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Damn right!
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The same guy who talks about getting tough on China and Mexico but has his his crappy clothes made there. He's a flim flam man. He may not be a politician, but he can BS with the best of them.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
squistion said:
Zeke Miller ‏@ZekeJMiller

Rubio says he hasn't followed the Flint water crisis. "It's just not an issue we've quite frankly followed or been briefed on"
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Horrible.
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Indeed. Some of the responses to Zeke Miller's tweet have been amusing:

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/689195546322554880

Rob Conrad ‏@ConradRm

@ZekeJMiller but yet he found time to buy a gun to protect his family from you know, ISIS.

blue aardvark ‏@AardvarkBlue

@ConradRm @ZekeJMiller If there was a Muslim to blame for #FlintWaterCrisis Rubio would be all over it
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MisterPlutocrat ‏@MisterPlutocrat

@ZekeJMiller @subverzo to be fair to Rubio (saying that gives me an urge to puke) Gov Snyder wasn't following Flint water cris either.
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In my best Trump: I'm not saying this is true, but other people are saying it and it's really something he should take care of because it's something the Democrats will bring up in debates and so forth. More birther stuff

 
Geez that would just about seal it for the GOP. One thing you could say they have going for them is a strong bench of Hispanic leaders in their upper party but if they actually DQd their two most prominent ones that would kill their future altogether. How stupid. I don't see the courts supporting these theories though. The Obama cases did not even recognize the rights of citizens to bring them.

 
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Smack Tripper said:
squistion said:
Zeke Miller ‏@ZekeJMiller

Rubio says he hasn't followed the Flint water crisis. "It's just not an issue we've quite frankly followed or been briefed on"
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Boy... awful answer... it shows either a gross ignorance of current events or a real detachment with people. Makes him look like a fool.
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This is the problem with getting your news in 140 characters.

The actual quote from his story:

“That’s not an issue that right now we’ve been focused on and for me to give you a deeply detailed answer on what the right approach should be on it, other than to tell you in general I believe that the federal government’s role in some of these things is largely limited unless it involves a federal jurisdictional issue,” Rubio said.“So, I’d love to give you a better answer on it, it’s just not an issue we’ve been quite frankly fully briefed or apprised of, in terms of the role the governor has played and the state has played in Michigan on these sorts of issues.”Not that it's a great answer, but it's also not what was Tweeted.

 
If you would have told me when Trump announced and with the flurry of racism he unleashed on Day 1, that he would be leading in all the polls and on the verge of grabbing some of the early states I would have said you are crazy. And then a few months rolled along and I quickly changed tunes once it looked like he was never gonna let his 15 minutes go.

And for the last 2 months I have been unable to figure out a way Trump can lose at this point. It would take a colossal failure on his part, something like yelling at his wife and caught on video that goes viral, or saying something off color but he has already done that.

I am more interested in the VP and I feel like that person has not appeared yet.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Donald J. Trump

Yesterday at 9:30am ·

Join me on Tuesday, January 19th at the Iowa State University Hansen Agricultural Student Learning Center in Ames, Iowa! I will have a major announcement and a very special guest in attendance. You will not want to miss this rally!
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https://www.eventbrite.com/e/donald-j-trump-in-ames-ia-major-announcement-with-special-guest-tickets-20697947117https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10156540847600725

:popcorn:
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:popcorn:

 
RnR said:
Smack Tripper said:
squistion said:
Zeke Miller ‏@ZekeJMiller

Rubio says he hasn't followed the Flint water crisis. "It's just not an issue we've quite frankly followed or been briefed on"
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Boy... awful answer... it shows either a gross ignorance of current events or a real detachment with people. Makes him look like a fool.
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This is the problem with getting your news in 140 characters.

The actual quote from his story:

“That’s not an issue that right now we’ve been focused on and for me to give you a deeply detailed answer on what the right approach should be on it, other than to tell you in general I believe that the federal government’s role in some of these things is largely limited unless it involves a federal jurisdictional issue,” Rubio said.“So, I’d love to give you a better answer on it, it’s just not an issue we’ve been quite frankly fully briefed or apprised of, in terms of the role the governor has played and the state has played in Michigan on these sorts of issues.”Not that it's a great answer, but it's also not what was Tweeted.
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Better but still not satisfactory...

 
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