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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (1 Viewer)
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Love the tweet by Nickelback: Employee of the MonthFla\/\/ed said:That's awesome3C said:
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I am surprised Carson's numbers aren't higher, surprised Trump's are that high...and not surprised that Cruz are that high.
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Only thing anyone ever loved about Nickleback.Love the tweet by Nickelback: Employee of the MonthFla\/\/ed said:That's awesome3C said:
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I also the fact that their first hit album was released on Sept 11, 2001Only thing anyone ever loved about Nickleback.Love the tweet by Nickelback: Employee of the MonthFla\/\/ed said:That's awesome3C said:
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Yeah. He is a lot of fiercely loyal supporters. Big support in the evangelical/home schooling circles.
Though his campaign has really hit the skids the last several weeks so maybe they lost momentum.
Before seeing this poll I would have thought he had a decent chance to surprise and place third on Monday.
Anyone watching the "Circus" on Showtime? It's must watch. Halperin and Heilman. Game Change guys. Reality/doc following all the candidates on both sides. Great footage.
It's worth getting Showtime for the next year.
Kasich apparently the king of bad jokes.
Probably would be #1 on my DVR list.
It's worth getting Showtime for the next year.
Kasich apparently the king of bad jokes.
Probably would be #1 on my DVR list.
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They have a new album coming out!Only thing anyone ever loved about Nickleback.Love the tweet by Nickelback: Employee of the MonthFla\/\/ed said:That's awesome3C said:
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not in favor of the 1000 mile minefield?
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Question for you then...with Republicans controlling congress...would they not be able to get immigration reform passed "their way"? Do you think Kasich would veto?
This actually is my issue right now where I think people keep playing a "fear" card with Bernie using "socialism". However, with a Republican controlled congress...he will not be able to push much of what he wants through anyway (of course, things in congress and #s can change).
Or are you worried that too many in congress are more inline with Kasich's views on immigration? If so, how will any president be able to really push a change like what Trump wants or others you may support?
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So after the kids table debate, Huckabee is gonna go over to the Trump event.
This is a sharp move by him - any attention is good attention.
It's also a sharp move by Trump to let him join him cuz you gotta figure any spare votes that Huckabee could pick up would presumably come out of the hide of Cruz.
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This is a sharp move by him - any attention is good attention.
It's also a sharp move by Trump to let him join him cuz you gotta figure any spare votes that Huckabee could pick up would presumably come out of the hide of Cruz.
-QG
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let's get some predictions on the ratings for this debate
1st debate on FoxNews got 25 million people
2nd debate on CNN got 23 million people
3rd debate on CBNC got 11 to 14 million people
4th debate on FoxBusiness got 11 to 14 million people
5th debate on CNN got 18 million people
6th debate on FoxBusiness got 11 million people
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/267217-debate-viewership-to-be-tested-without-trump
The ones on the channels that not everybody gets (CBNC and FoxBusiness) get around 11 million.. but the CNN and FoxNews ones get between 18 and 25 million.. Since this is a FoxNews production, I have to think Trump's people will compare it directly with the 25 million they got for that first debate which isn't totally fair since there was a novelty to that one.
I am predicting about 12 million.. which will be way off from what the CNN/FoxNews one have gotten recently
1st debate on FoxNews got 25 million people
2nd debate on CNN got 23 million people
3rd debate on CBNC got 11 to 14 million people
4th debate on FoxBusiness got 11 to 14 million people
5th debate on CNN got 18 million people
6th debate on FoxBusiness got 11 million people
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/267217-debate-viewership-to-be-tested-without-trump
The ones on the channels that not everybody gets (CBNC and FoxBusiness) get around 11 million.. but the CNN and FoxNews ones get between 18 and 25 million.. Since this is a FoxNews production, I have to think Trump's people will compare it directly with the 25 million they got for that first debate which isn't totally fair since there was a novelty to that one.
I am predicting about 12 million.. which will be way off from what the CNN/FoxNews one have gotten recently
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LOL.. i honestly thought he dropped out...Side note - Gilmore made the kids table this time as we know. Wondering if my First 4 primary prediction poll thread pole is what FoxNews used to count Gilmore polling 1% somewhere to qualify
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Nopers - he's moved up 5 places since the start of his campaignLOL.. i honestly thought he dropped out...Side note - Gilmore made the kids table this time as we know. Wondering if my First 4 primary prediction poll thread pole is what FoxNews used to count Gilmore polling 1% somewhere to qualify
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I think it will probably be closer to the 25 million, just because more people are aware that there even is a debate thanks to the whole fiasco.
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Well, I guess that depends on how you define "their way" and that gets to the heart of the issue in the GOP right now.
Do you mean the "comprehensive reform" model which is basically amnesty and what the establishment wants...or do you mean the "real reform" model which is what the rest of us want?
I can only use 2000-06 as a model as that is when Bush has both chambers controlled by the GOP. Nothing happened. Remember...the minuteman project started organizing in late 2004 and went to the border in 2005...if memory serves.
So...I am not convinced.
I think Kasich and the moderates in Congress would put something up that would provide a pathway to citizenship along with some other measures to satisfy us hardliners....but I have no idea if the would ever be implemented.
I think most Republicans in Congress are in bed with big business but on this issue say the right things to the base (because they have never really been forced to take a stand). The only reason amnesty didn't pass in 2006 and 2007 and under Obama is because our side goes to the mattresses on this issue.
Your comment about Bernie is interesting to me. Because in my "off FBG" discussions with GOPers in my circle I have made the argument that even if I support Trump for the nomination and he loses...the GOP will still control Congress. And because Hillary or Bernie are who they are...every GOPer will continue pretending they are staunch conservatives and at least present an obstructionist agenda. Look what happened when Bush had control. Congress was out of control on govt expansion and spending, etc.
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If I was Trump...I would have negotiated my coming back to the debate under the requirement that I get to go first and have a 2 minute opening statement. Everyone else gets one, too. Then he could have made the case against Kelly plugged his event and that it will be on in CNN.
"Later #####es"
Then hop in the chopper and speak to his crowd. LOL.
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I think that Trump's CNN thing may pull some viewers away.. but overall I think the novelty of the debate has worn off for many people who aren't junkies.. I don't think the average American is turning off the Big Bang Theory tonight to see Rubio and Christie exchange jabs or Kasich discuss wonky policy...
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The Iowans who choose to caucus are anything but the "average American"- they're politically junkies. And the ones who haven't made up their minds are going to tune in.
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the question was about the ratings for the debate, not the number of Iowans watching.
if every adult in Iowa watches it it's only ~2 million people, we're talking about a national number which has hit 25 million viewers for the first debate
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How much of this country do you think want the "real reform" that you want?
I guess then, by what you are saying is it does not matter who gets elected, real reform that you want likely won't make its way thru congress.
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I think the majority of the country is much more lenient than I am. I think the majority of the GOP is more lenient than I am in general.
But here is the crux of the issue and I touched on this in the Trump thread a little bit ago.
Us hardliners haven't budged. But because our government has refused to act on this issue more and more people who would normally be more "compassionate" so to speak are drifting over to our side. Even if they think Trump is a little too harsh or what not...they see everybody else as "do nothing" and they have reached a tipping point where they would rather crack and whip and be too harsh than continue to do nothing.
Even the most lenient parent can snap and blow up on their kid if the little #### pushes hard and long enough, you know?
Here is what I would want:
1. Secure and closely monitored border (doesn't mean building a wall)
2. Crack down on employers
3. Deportation of illegal aliens here, especially criminals.
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After this has been done, and I won't accept the promise that my government will do border and employer enforcement simultaneously, I would be open to discussions about legalizing those still here. But I am never going to support pathway to citizenship and do not believe they deserve it, should be rewarded with it, or need it for that matter.
I think many Americans are open to the following:
1. Allowing those here to stay if the government seriously demonstrates they are serious about making this the last and final "amnesty" push. I think they will fall for the fried ice cream though and that is my biggest concern.
2. I think most Americans are cool with the idea of a "guest worker" program if it is a true guest worker program. What I mean by that is farmers or what not are allowed to bring in laborers...but not their families and the laborers must return each year to their country.
3. I also think most Americans are in support of making the immigration process more fair, efficient and less bureaucratic. I think most Americans don't mind the idea of even allowing more to come in now legally than already are.
Let me get back to Kasich. I have a particular affinity for him going back to his days in Congress following the 94 takeover and the Contract with America. I have been wanting him to run for president for a few cycles. I still think fondly of him and generally love everything about the guy from a policy standpoint.
There is nobody in this race that I trust more than him to take a hatchet to spending and to get our fiscal house in order. I was really crushed when he started parroting the open borders stuff. He gave off a lot of the "immigration speak" that raises red flags in our circles.
In the other thread about Trump, YankeeFan and I have a little back and forth going. Kasich is a guy who I think could theoretically clean up the GOP and get our house back in order so to speak. But...he needs to find religion when it comes to immigration.
Even if he tacked right but not as right as Trump...and really build his credibility on the subject I think he could have (maybe still do) some damage in this election.
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QuizGuy66 said:
I believe.
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....Hmmmmm...
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You tell em Jim!
I think Carly's voice might be more annoying than Hillary's and that's saying a lot.
I think Carly's voice might be more annoying than Hillary's and that's saying a lot.
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Santorum stated that 74% of Americans do not have a college degree, is that true or some spin of the facts? 3 out of 4 people in this country do not have a higher education? That seemed way off to me.
I figured at least half have either a college degree or some type of 2 year education with direct hire after, yes/no?
I figured at least half have either a college degree or some type of 2 year education with direct hire after, yes/no?
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Wow Carly not only lying but resorting to low blows as well. Really distasteful.
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Compared to the Democrats, the Republican rhetoric has become super ugly.
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Gillmore is a real loon, wish he was in this mess sooner.
These jobbers should be ashamed they even show up at this debate.
These jobbers should be ashamed they even show up at this debate.
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I like how she prefaced that rant by denying that she had resorted to personal attacks.
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