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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (1 Viewer)
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BigSteelThrill
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AnonymousBob
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So...if they take it from Trump it goes to Cruz next?
Frying pan to fire.
Frying pan to fire.
joffer
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Ilov80s
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No, Cruz gets left out in the cold. I'd bet Romney gets the nomination over Cruz.
The Future Champs
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Depends on the rules for the convention - it might not be possible for it to go to Romney. And seriously, why would the Republicans want to go with Romney anyways? He lost a very winnable election in 2012, and failed to leave any lasting imprint on the GOP.
I think they roll with Trump, even if he doesn't hit the 1237#. They're going to lose this election anyways, and they won't want to alienate Trumps' angry voters. Nominate him, let him go down in flames, and start preparing for 2020.
Ilov80s
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My point was just that Cruz is totally unelectable in a general and isn't the Cinderella the GOP is looking for.
MaxThreshold
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BigSteelThrill
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Its like 35% by age 45. But 40% have miscarriages, and everyone of those will have to be investigated for murder. And many will obviously get convicted. Especially if you have murder/capital then you will have manslaughter. Either the baby is a person and has rights or it doesn't. And we cant begin to guess at how many are oppressed and we never hear that they had either an abortion or miscarriage, that number must be pretty large as well.
And for the conservative brethren... the cost will be astronomical.
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jamny
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Brunell4MVP
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I define myself as a socially moderate republican. A remnant of being a teen in the Reagan era.
As far as I'm concerned the Republican Party is dead for up to 12 years after this election unless Hillary totally screws up as president.
There is a huge divide within the party and many of its leaders stances make national candidates unappealing to the masses on the national level. I don't see the hang up with abortions I don't see the hang up with gay marriage. I don't see the hang up on national healthcare (although the obama care version is a travesty).
The repiblicans have 2 areas they excel over dems by a long shot. Economics and foreign policy But those issues are meaningless if you can't appeal to the social stance of a nation and that is why the party is divided and on the wrong track Things like education transportation etc are just fodder
Now along comes trump and he speaks what a lot of American think on both sides but does it in a dumb way Plus he's a flake But he's a flake that appeals to a huge part of the gop (and others) that is genuinely sick of politicians
if trump is leading and they throw him Down the drain at the convention, they lose a lot of people. Maybe not to the other side of the aisle but probably to smaller parties and to not caring at all. They've been betrayed. if they let him run and he wins, odds are 90% he screws up long term DC is not the place where a boss makes things happen like in business I've been here for my entire life and it just doesn't work that way. So after he screws up the Dems win the next few elections then if he runs and loses they lose another set of voters who either hated trump to begin with or were upset he didn't win nationally showing the party didn't get behind its candidate
all thee scenarios are losses for the party at least on the national level
this is why the Dems have super delegates to protect their own otherwise they might be in the same situation with Bernie
interesting to see how this all unfolds but I don't see a good future for the gop unless trump wins and miraculously the economy and world situation turns around in the first 2 years he is president
As far as I'm concerned the Republican Party is dead for up to 12 years after this election unless Hillary totally screws up as president.
There is a huge divide within the party and many of its leaders stances make national candidates unappealing to the masses on the national level. I don't see the hang up with abortions I don't see the hang up with gay marriage. I don't see the hang up on national healthcare (although the obama care version is a travesty).
The repiblicans have 2 areas they excel over dems by a long shot. Economics and foreign policy But those issues are meaningless if you can't appeal to the social stance of a nation and that is why the party is divided and on the wrong track Things like education transportation etc are just fodder
Now along comes trump and he speaks what a lot of American think on both sides but does it in a dumb way Plus he's a flake But he's a flake that appeals to a huge part of the gop (and others) that is genuinely sick of politicians
if trump is leading and they throw him Down the drain at the convention, they lose a lot of people. Maybe not to the other side of the aisle but probably to smaller parties and to not caring at all. They've been betrayed. if they let him run and he wins, odds are 90% he screws up long term DC is not the place where a boss makes things happen like in business I've been here for my entire life and it just doesn't work that way. So after he screws up the Dems win the next few elections then if he runs and loses they lose another set of voters who either hated trump to begin with or were upset he didn't win nationally showing the party didn't get behind its candidate
all thee scenarios are losses for the party at least on the national level
this is why the Dems have super delegates to protect their own otherwise they might be in the same situation with Bernie
interesting to see how this all unfolds but I don't see a good future for the gop unless trump wins and miraculously the economy and world situation turns around in the first 2 years he is president
lod01
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That would be the greatest thing ever (besides a Trump presidency). He would get his ### smoked a 2nd time and this time by a conwoman. Trump would berate him until he committed suicide.
lod01
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This is their best case scenario. I hope they screw it up because this leaves the party in tact. Dysfunctional, but in tact.
roadkill1292
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I agree that the potential is there for the GOP to render itself serious damage this year but 12 years is several lifetimes in national politics. The Republicans were blown out in 1964 and won the presidency in 1968 behind as odious a candidate as a party could ever have short of Trump. The Dems were hammered badly twice in the eighties yet have held the highest office in 16 of the last 24 years.
If the middle class continues to struggle during the upcoming Clinton term(s), then Republicans will have a huge opportunity to portray themselves as the party of prosperity. The challenge will be to win over voters unhappy with the proclivity of increasing defense expenditures in lieu of implementing programs for jobs and education.
lod01
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Yeah, Hitlery doesn't even have to screw up. All she has to do is be in office and have a recession hit near the end of the term. She will be blamed. Most people will decide to give an R a shot at it next. Long term members of both parties love this because it keeps them in power. They just flip back and forth and laugh at everyone behind closed doors. Talking about your Harry Reid's, McConnell's, Fensteins'. All the young losers in congress strive to make it to that point where they can coast and do nothing but spend taxpayers $ the rest of their careers. It's been this way for decades.
Pretty sure I never vote for one of these ####ers again. It would require one of them to actually do something for me. Simply removing UIGEA would make me a lifetime member of any party. I estimate that I've been screwed out of 10's of 1000s of $ because of the ban on internet poker. Unfortunately they are paid by old fat POS Sheldon Adelson to keep that law in tact. just die already, you ####### worthless POS.
lod01
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Leroy Hoard
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Watch out for Rubio. He's a sneaky little devil.
lod01
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He would totally get destroyed by Hillary but he is an ### kissing yes man that could weasel his way into position.
Ilov80s
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He definitely got exposed, but former Obama people have said that Rubio was the guy were always worried about. They saw Rubio as a potential second Obama. They said Cruz and Trump are a wet dream for the DNC.
Leroy Hoard
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They could use all those building blocks they got at their baby showers.culdeus said:
James Daulton
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Little Marco
Lying Ted
I wonder what Trump's cute little nickname will be for Hillary?
Clittary Clinton? Cun**ary Clinton? ####### #### ####### Clinton?
Whatever it is, you can bet it will be real clever. Like the best nickname ever. A really really really great nickname.
Lying Ted
I wonder what Trump's cute little nickname will be for Hillary?
Clittary Clinton? Cun**ary Clinton? ####### #### ####### Clinton?
Whatever it is, you can bet it will be real clever. Like the best nickname ever. A really really really great nickname.
joffer
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The Future Champs
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Agreed. It's been interesting to watch the total apathy towards Cruz from the establishment GOP.Ilov80s said:
honky kong
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How so? Since Reagan, the debt and the deficit have exploded under Republican Presidents. Trickle-down economics has been an unmitigated disaster for all but the wealthiest. As for foreign policy, diplomacy takes a backseat to "do what we want or we'll bomb the sh#t out of you" on the right. Even if there is any advantage for the Republicans on either of those (and I'd argue that there isn't), it isn't by a long shot.Brunell4MVP said:
Statorama
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Ilov80s
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I would argue there really hasn't been a big policy difference between most of the recent Presidents. There are slight differences here or there, but the general direction has been pretty similar. Also, so much of what we like to judge a President on doesn't have anything to do with the President. Much of it comes from policies former Presidents put in place, laws passed by Congress, decisions made by judges , decisions made by foreign entities and general economic flow resulting from decisions made by a wide array of business/market interests.
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NorvilleBarnes
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I think it would be hilarious to give it to Romney. Won't happen though. I actually don't see it going to anyone who wasn't even running. I mean 17 candidates were running and they're going to go with someone not even in the field? Then again I can't see them going with Cruz either. Go through hoops to take it away from Trump only to give it to the worst candidate remaining?
This is the fatal flaw of the NeverTrump movement - it doesn't make a compelling case for any alternative.
This is the fatal flaw of the NeverTrump movement - it doesn't make a compelling case for any alternative.
Cold Dead Hands
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Rove!
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cobalt_27
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The compelling case is that anybody is better than Trump, a legitimate crazy person who has given no serious thought to any important issue in this country. It's the RNC's fault for all this, but they will pick someone--anyone--else. Trump is not going to be running against Hillary.
SacramentoBob
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NorvilleBarnes
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That's neither a compelling case nor an alternative. It needs to be a case FOR someone. Not "anyone", but a single, specific, named candidate.
And of course it isn't.
Riversco
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Government isn't just the white house. The republicans control congress. Maybe its not an idea we're not used to because the last three presidents all had congress when taking office, but Hillary wouldn't have an agenda. She would have no first 100 days. She would enter office very weak and facing empowered opposition. We haven't seen that since 1988 but that's what it looks like.
PlasmaDogPlasma
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The Z Machine
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Joe Summer
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Spoken like a man who has never seen "Brewster's Millions".
Kiddnets
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No win for the Republicans.....they go with Trump and likely lose in November....they bump him at the convention and he'll run as a 3rd party and nuke them....plus alienate and piss off this huge block for years. I dont see a choice here.....barring something crazy if I were them Id honor the leader of the primary even if a few delgates short and lose the election vs having the entire party in chaos for years to come. What a disaster
3C's
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It would be the greatest primary ever, the greatest. Greatest by far.Latest Wisconsin poll, taken before Trump "mispoke" about punishing women for abortions if they became illegal, has Cruz up by 10..
Kasich is in 3rd but only a few percentage points behind Trump..
Would be GREAT if Trump came in 3rd
cstu
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Riversco
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To me Trump is that guy that is used to winning but will pout and quit if he thinks he is just wasting his time. A guy like Trump is usually obsessed with being efficient. If he solidifies 15%-20% behind Hillary in the polling, I think he decides the general election is simply a waste of 5 months of his life and drops out on his own, accusing the GOP is dirty tactics on his way out the door to save face. Then he moves on to other projects.
The GOP would immediately announce a brokered convention in order to prevent Cruz from being the nominee. Then it would probably be one of Romney, Kasich, or Ryan. Kasich probably winds up on the ticket somewhere because they'd want SOMEONE on the ticket that actually ran for president in 2016.
The GOP would immediately announce a brokered convention in order to prevent Cruz from being the nominee. Then it would probably be one of Romney, Kasich, or Ryan. Kasich probably winds up on the ticket somewhere because they'd want SOMEONE on the ticket that actually ran for president in 2016.
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