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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

I don't have any reason to believe in Maurile's theory that Trump would conduct himself differently if he were President.
For all of the nonsense Trump has always appeared to be pro-america, He always tries to maximize any entity he is in charge of, he will be in charge of the USA and will try to make it a winner in his mind. He may be crazy he may not have the skills to succeed but there is no way his ego will let him take the presidency lightly and he will do everything to succeed.

 
I could be way off on this, but ... I think a lot of what Trump is doing right now is just entertaining himself. He may actually want to be President, because that would be fun for a guy like Trump, but I think he started out just with the ambition of splashing his name all over the newspapers rather than actually winning.

If he actually does win -- which won't happen, but if it does -- I think he'd probably take the job seriously and try not to blow up the planet or anything. I actually do think he's smart enough to put together a decent team of advisers and, more often than not, follow their advice rather than doing anything rash.

Reports of his argument with his most recent campaign manager are evidence against my view. Apparently Trump was told to stop saying stupid stuff, and he was like, "But it's working!!" So the campaign manager quit or was fired. (I haven't followed it that closely.) That is admittedly evidence that Trump can be a loose cannon who refuses to take the advice of his hired experts.

But I get the feeling -- though maybe I'm just being overoptimistic -- that while Trump will run his campaign his own way (especially if his main goal is to make headlines rather than become President), he would not conduct foreign policy by shooting from the hip, flexing his muscles, and personally insulting female heads of state to make headlines. I think he'd realize the heightened importance of not botching military operations, for example, and take his advisers seriously.

Right now, Trump is a joke and I think he knows it. For the time being, I don't think he much cares whether people are laughing at him or laughing with him. But if the fate of our country's interests were actually riding on his shoulders, I think he'd try not to be a joke anymore, and I think he'd probably succeed at least as well as GWB did. I think GWB's presidency was kind of a disaster in a lot of ways, so that is damning with faint praise, to be sure. But when people imagine a Trump presidency, a lot of them imagine a presidency far worse than Bush's ever was. I'm just saying that I don't think it would be as bad as people think. I think President Trump would be less of a joke than Candidate Trump is.
Trump will win. His biggest competition is Ben Carson based on current Iowa polling.After that, he steamrolls whatever garbage the Democrats throw out there.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/cnn-orc-poll-iowa-republican-caucus-data/index.html
Does a topic exist that you actually know something about? Or aren't 100% wrong about?

Just wondering.
Come talk to me after Trump builds a wall on the border.
You are a great Republican.

 
I don't have any reason to believe in Maurile's theory that Trump would conduct himself differently if he were President.
For all of the nonsense Trump has always appeared to be pro-america, He always tries to maximize any entity he is in charge of, he will be in charge of the USA and will try to make it a winner in his mind. He may be crazy he may not have the skills to succeed but there is no way his ego will let him take the presidency lightly and he will do everything to succeed.
what GOP or Dem candidate running isn't pro-America?

 
I don't have any reason to believe in Maurile's theory that Trump would conduct himself differently if he were President.
For all of the nonsense Trump has always appeared to be pro-america, He always tries to maximize any entity he is in charge of, he will be in charge of the USA and will try to make it a winner in his mind. He may be crazy he may not have the skills to succeed but there is no way his ego will let him take the presidency lightly and he will do everything to succeed.
what GOP or Dem candidate running isn't pro-America?
:rolleyes: we've already had 8 years of an America-hating Kenyan Muslim, it'd be nice to get someone who loves the ol' stars and stripes in office.

 
Em could fill many posts.

With his Walgreens experience, Sec of HHS.

With his financial management experience, Sec of the Treasury.

With his home buying research, Sec of HUD.

With his clear diplomatic demeanor, Sec of State.

Skies the limit here.

 
i wanna see trump win just to see what happens...the unpredictability alone will be worth it...what a ride ...and if he actually improved a few things that would just be a bonus

 
I don't have any reason to believe in Maurile's theory that Trump would conduct himself differently if he were President.
For all of the nonsense Trump has always appeared to be pro-america, He always tries to maximize any entity he is in charge of, he will be in charge of the USA and will try to make it a winner in his mind. He may be crazy he may not have the skills to succeed but there is no way his ego will let him take the presidency lightly and he will do everything to succeed.
what GOP or Dem candidate running isn't pro-America?
:rolleyes: we've already had 8 years of an America-hating Kenyan Muslim, it'd be nice to get someone who loves the ol' stars and stripes in office.
See Marurile's theory the we were responding to was that while Trump has always been selfish and his camp

I don't have any reason to believe in Maurile's theory that Trump would conduct himself differently if he were President.
For all of the nonsense Trump has always appeared to be pro-america, He always tries to maximize any entity he is in charge of, he will be in charge of the USA and will try to make it a winner in his mind. He may be crazy he may not have the skills to succeed but there is no way his ego will let him take the presidency lightly and he will do everything to succeed.
what GOP or Dem candidate running isn't pro-America?
The one we are talking about in the posts we are referencing. The billionaire who might be in this for personal/ego/financial reasons rather than patriotic/altruistic reasons.

Try to keep up.

 
I don't have any reason to believe in Maurile's theory that Trump would conduct himself differently if he were President.
For all of the nonsense Trump has always appeared to be pro-america, He always tries to maximize any entity he is in charge of, he will be in charge of the USA and will try to make it a winner in his mind. He may be crazy he may not have the skills to succeed but there is no way his ego will let him take the presidency lightly and he will do everything to succeed.
what GOP or Dem candidate running isn't pro-America?
:rolleyes: we've already had 8 years of an America-hating Kenyan Muslim, it'd be nice to get someone who loves the ol' stars and stripes in office.
So then you agree with Maurile that Trump will take it seriously if he in fact wins.

 
That stupid here burns my eyes, its like he is trying to troll but incredibly bad at it

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/jeb-bush-defends-george-w-bush-iraq-legacy-iowa-121337.html#ixzz3ijUoS1Ir
Editorial from my local paper this morning.

Jeb Bush blames Hillary Clinton for Iraq. Really. Editorial

File this under 'craziest campaign claims,' next to the suggestion by Donald Trump's staffer that his willingness to insult women makes him uniquely qualified to take on Hillary Clinton:

Now, Jeb Bush is claiming that his older brother's failed war in Iraq was, in fact, the fault of Hillary Clinton. In his desperation to hide from his war-mongering surname, a Bush is picking yet another battle he can't possibly win.

Jeb finally admitted that his brother's decision to invade Iraq was a bad idea, after face-planting several times on this question. Yet in a foreign policy speech Tuesday night, he decided to go on the offensive, and assert that this whole mistaken war was going just fine, thank you, until President Barack Obama and his Secretary of State Hillary Clinton stepped in.

Had they not brought our troops home, following the surge authorized by President George W. Bush, al-Qaeda would never have gained the strength to splinter and produce the Islamic State. Forget his brother, the President who marched us into battle: "Where was Secretary of State Clinton in all of this?"

Anyone?

She was standing by, "as that hard-won victory by American and allied forces was thrown away," Bush said. By allowing the situation in Iraq to grow worse, Clinton was the one who created the conditions that spawned the Islamic state.

In other words, Democrats should have kept our troops on the ground, despite all the bloodshed and continued cost to American lives, in an attempt to clean up his brother's mess. Bush even dared use the word "haste": It was "a case of blind haste to get out," he said. Never mind our haste to invade.

None of this is going over quite as well as he had hoped. "Common sense will tell you this is not a fight we want to have," Gov. Chris Christie said yesterday. Others who were alive and conscious at the time have pointed out several kinks in Bush's theory, the most obvious being that if Jeb's brother hadn't recklessly sent us off to war, there would be no ISIS in the first place.

This "premature" troop withdrawal was scheduled by none other than George W. himself, before he left office. And it was the Iraqi parliament that ultimately rejected the proposal to keep a small residual force in Iraq, not Obama. Bush is right, at least, that Clinton made only one trip to the country -- but Vice President Joe Biden and former Defense Secretary Robert Gates both made regular visits leading up to the withdrawal.

And it was not the 2011 troop drawdown that fueled the rise of ISIS, foreign policy experts say. It was George W.'s earlier decision to disband the Iraqi Army, leaving thousands unemployed and ripe for extremist recruitment.

But this is Bush's story, and he's sticking to it. For those who would accuse him of simply playing politics, all evidence points to the contrary: Many of his closest foreign policy advisers are the very same neocons who lured us into this disastrous war. They are telling him all kinds of things to justify their own actions, and he seems to be advocating a similarly aggressive approach to foreign policy, even today.

Maybe we would still be in Iraq, if Jeb Bush had his way about it. As President, why should we believe he wouldn't send us back?

 
That stupid here burns my eyes, its like he is trying to troll but incredibly bad at it

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/jeb-bush-defends-george-w-bush-iraq-legacy-iowa-121337.html#ixzz3ijUoS1Ir
Editorial from my local paper this morning.

Jeb Bush blames Hillary Clinton for Iraq. Really. Editorial

File this under 'craziest campaign claims,' next to the suggestion by Donald Trump's staffer that his willingness to insult women makes him uniquely qualified to take on Hillary Clinton:

Now, Jeb Bush is claiming that his older brother's failed war in Iraq was, in fact, the fault of Hillary Clinton. In his desperation to hide from his war-mongering surname, a Bush is picking yet another battle he can't possibly win.

...
Hillary and Jeb seem to almost be helping each other right now. This is the second snipe war they have gotten into recently and it's almost as though they are trying to remind everyone they are the alleged expected nominees. Hillary's twitter has been firing off rounds at Jeb the last week.

And Hillary and Jeb going after each other on Iraq, hooowhee. Sounds like one of those fights between 7 and 8 year olds the other one started it.

 
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This isn't anything new. Conservatives have been blaming Obama for leaving Iran too early since 2010.

I think there's something to this argument- namely that, before they left, Obsma could have pressured the Shia government to do something to alleviate the plight of the Sunnis. That was talked about but didn't happen. Hillary suggested it but was overruled, so Ive read. If that's true then she doesn't deserve blame for this IMO. But Obama does. And he and Hillary both are responsible for arming all Syrian Rebels indiscriminately, and helping ISIS that way.

The person most responsible for ISIS is George W Bush. But a little of the blame, just a little, goes to Obama and Hillary.

 
This isn't anything new. Conservatives have been blaming Obama for leaving Iran too early since 2010.

I think there's something to this argument- namely that, before they left, Obsma could have pressured the Shia government to do something to alleviate the plight of the Sunnis. That was talked about but didn't happen. Hillary suggested it but was overruled, so Ive read. If that's true then she doesn't deserve blame for this IMO. But Obama does. And he and Hillary both are responsible for arming all Syrian Rebels indiscriminately, and helping ISIS that way.

The person most responsible for ISIS is George W Bush. But a little of the blame, just a little, goes to Obama and Hillary.
Oh, Tim. Only a little blame goes to Obama for ISIS? This monster was created and rose to horrific prominence smack dab in the middle of his Presidency. Sure it's rise can be traced back to vacuum created by Bush's mismanagement of the Iraq war, but Obama could have done a lot more with ISIS. He did nothing. He sat idly by, in complete silence, while they terrorized an entire part of the world with historic barbarism that we've never seen as human beings. Obama's legacy will include the rise of ISIS. No way around that one.
 
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This isn't anything new. Conservatives have been blaming Obama for leaving Iran too early since 2010.

I think there's something to this argument- namely that, before they left, Obsma could have pressured the Shia government to do something to alleviate the plight of the Sunnis. That was talked about but didn't happen. Hillary suggested it but was overruled, so Ive read. If that's true then she doesn't deserve blame for this IMO. But Obama does. And he and Hillary both are responsible for arming all Syrian Rebels indiscriminately, and helping ISIS that way.

The person most responsible for ISIS is George W Bush. But a little of the blame, just a little, goes to Obama and Hillary.
That's complete nonsense and revisionist history. ISIS is wholly owned by Obama because of the vacuum he left by pulling out way too early and then sitting idly by as it all went to hell.

 
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This isn't anything new. Conservatives have been blaming Obama for leaving Iran too early since 2010.

I think there's something to this argument- namely that, before they left, Obsma could have pressured the Shia government to do something to alleviate the plight of the Sunnis. That was talked about but didn't happen. Hillary suggested it but was overruled, so Ive read. If that's true then she doesn't deserve blame for this IMO. But Obama does. And he and Hillary both are responsible for arming all Syrian Rebels indiscriminately, and helping ISIS that way.

The person most responsible for ISIS is George W Bush. But a little of the blame, just a little, goes to Obama and Hillary.
That's complete nonsense and revisionist history. ISIS is wholly owned by Obama because of the vacuum he left by pulling out way too early and then sitting idly by as it all went to hell.
Seriously gtfo with that nonsense

 
This isn't anything new. Conservatives have been blaming Obama for leaving Iran too early since 2010.

I think there's something to this argument- namely that, before they left, Obsma could have pressured the Shia government to do something to alleviate the plight of the Sunnis. That was talked about but didn't happen. Hillary suggested it but was overruled, so Ive read. If that's true then she doesn't deserve blame for this IMO. But Obama does. And he and Hillary both are responsible for arming all Syrian Rebels indiscriminately, and helping ISIS that way.

The person most responsible for ISIS is George W Bush. But a little of the blame, just a little, goes to Obama and Hillary.
That's complete nonsense and revisionist history. ISIS is wholly owned by Obama because of the vacuum he left by pulling out way too early and then sitting idly by as it all went to hell.
Wholly owned? lol.

Here I am trying to fairly assign blame to both sides. Not equally, because that's just dumb. Bush is MORE responsible. But not all responsible. Nobody gets off cleanly here. And predictably you come along and try to blame it all on Obama. Just as predictably, some progressive is going to come along and try to blame it all on Bush, and Obama will come off scot clean. It's pathetic.

And actually ALL of us are wrong to some degree. Because by blaming our Presidents, we fall into the trap of assuming that everything that happens around the world does so because of something the United States did or did not do. Which is incredibly arrogant, and simply wrong. ISIS may have risen whatever we did, and it's real roots may have very little to do with anything that we did. But we as Americans, whether liberal or conservative, tend to see everything through an "America caused it" lens. I'm just as guilty as anyone else here when it comes to that.

 
This isn't anything new. Conservatives have been blaming Obama for leaving Iran too early since 2010.

I think there's something to this argument- namely that, before they left, Obsma could have pressured the Shia government to do something to alleviate the plight of the Sunnis. That was talked about but didn't happen. Hillary suggested it but was overruled, so Ive read. If that's true then she doesn't deserve blame for this IMO. But Obama does. And he and Hillary both are responsible for arming all Syrian Rebels indiscriminately, and helping ISIS that way.

The person most responsible for ISIS is George W Bush. But a little of the blame, just a little, goes to Obama and Hillary.
That's complete nonsense and revisionist history. ISIS is wholly owned by Obama because of the vacuum he left by pulling out way too early and then sitting idly by as it all went to hell.
The Bush Administration negotiated the pull out date. Obama stuck to the schedule.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ray-odierno-jeb-bush-iraq_55ccd562e4b0cacb8d333f96?cps=gravity_5054_2699503734636920533&kvcommref=mostpopular

 
This isn't anything new. Conservatives have been blaming Obama for leaving Iran too early since 2010.

I think there's something to this argument- namely that, before they left, Obsma could have pressured the Shia government to do something to alleviate the plight of the Sunnis. That was talked about but didn't happen. Hillary suggested it but was overruled, so Ive read. If that's true then she doesn't deserve blame for this IMO. But Obama does. And he and Hillary both are responsible for arming all Syrian Rebels indiscriminately, and helping ISIS that way.

The person most responsible for ISIS is George W Bush. But a little of the blame, just a little, goes to Obama and Hillary.
That's complete nonsense and revisionist history. ISIS is wholly owned by Obama because of the vacuum he left by pulling out way too early and then sitting idly by as it all went to hell.
The Bush Administration negotiated the pull out date. Obama stuck to the schedule.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ray-odierno-jeb-bush-iraq_55ccd562e4b0cacb8d333f96?cps=gravity_5054_2699503734636920533&kvcommref=mostpopular
Max will never acknowledge that, never.

 
This isn't anything new. Conservatives have been blaming Obama for leaving Iran too early since 2010.

I think there's something to this argument- namely that, before they left, Obsma could have pressured the Shia government to do something to alleviate the plight of the Sunnis. That was talked about but didn't happen. Hillary suggested it but was overruled, so Ive read. If that's true then she doesn't deserve blame for this IMO. But Obama does. And he and Hillary both are responsible for arming all Syrian Rebels indiscriminately, and helping ISIS that way.

The person most responsible for ISIS is George W Bush. But a little of the blame, just a little, goes to Obama and Hillary.
That's complete nonsense and revisionist history. ISIS is wholly owned by Obama because of the vacuum he left by pulling out way too early and then sitting idly by as it all went to hell.
The Bush Administration negotiated the pull out date. Obama stuck to the schedule.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ray-odierno-jeb-bush-iraq_55ccd562e4b0cacb8d333f96?cps=gravity_5054_2699503734636920533&kvcommref=mostpopular
oops

 
This isn't anything new. Conservatives have been blaming Obama for leaving Iran too early since 2010.

I think there's something to this argument- namely that, before they left, Obsma could have pressured the Shia government to do something to alleviate the plight of the Sunnis. That was talked about but didn't happen. Hillary suggested it but was overruled, so Ive read. If that's true then she doesn't deserve blame for this IMO. But Obama does. And he and Hillary both are responsible for arming all Syrian Rebels indiscriminately, and helping ISIS that way.

The person most responsible for ISIS is George W Bush. But a little of the blame, just a little, goes to Obama and Hillary.
That's complete nonsense and revisionist history. ISIS is wholly owned by Obama because of the vacuum he left by pulling out way too early and then sitting idly by as it all went to hell.
In 2003, I wrote a paper in college for an Ethnic Conflict class that essentially predicted the rise of ISIS and widespread ethnic violence in Iraq post-invasion. ISIS was a predictable result of George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq. I'm not saying that Obama is blameless, but it is moronic to suggest that he is solely responsible.
 
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This isn't anything new. Conservatives have been blaming Obama for leaving Iran too early since 2010.

I think there's something to this argument- namely that, before they left, Obsma could have pressured the Shia government to do something to alleviate the plight of the Sunnis. That was talked about but didn't happen. Hillary suggested it but was overruled, so Ive read. If that's true then she doesn't deserve blame for this IMO. But Obama does. And he and Hillary both are responsible for arming all Syrian Rebels indiscriminately, and helping ISIS that way.

The person most responsible for ISIS is George W Bush. But a little of the blame, just a little, goes to Obama and Hillary.
That's complete nonsense and revisionist history. ISIS is wholly owned by Obama because of the vacuum he left by pulling out way too early and then sitting idly by as it all went to hell.
In 2003, I wrote a paper in college for an Ethnic Conflict class that essentially predicted the rise of ISIS and widespread ethnic violence in Iraq post-invasion. ISIS was a predictable result of George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq. I'm not saying that Obama is blameless, but it is moronic to suggest that he is solely responsible.
Jim Webb said the same thing in 2002.

 
Amused to Death said:
BustedKnuckles said:
ya ...facts always get in the way of a good argument
In Max's defense, it's hard to keep blaming Obama if you just rely on facts.
OMG. This is like blaming the rise of the Nazis on Woodrow Wilson rather than Neville Chamberlain. Insanity.
 
Amused to Death said:
BustedKnuckles said:
ya ...facts always get in the way of a good argument
In Max's defense, it's hard to keep blaming Obama if you just rely on facts.
OMG. This is like blaming the rise of the Nazis on Woodrow Wilson rather than Neville Chamberlain. Insanity.
i must have missed the part when Obama met with the leaders of ISIS and offered them Czechoslovakia.
 
To argue about which US President to blame for ISIS overstates our influence in the region and underestimates the complexity of the situation.

 
I would never vote for a president with that bald spot.
Scott Walker going all out to win votes....

Scott Walker Would Like to Remind You He Earned His Bald Spot in a Manly Injury

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker doesn’t want you to think his bald spot is the result of something like bad genes or natural aging. That’s the kind of problem a Democrat would have. The presidential hopeful reminded a Washington Post reporter that the hairless patch on his scalp comes from a scar he received after bumping his head fixing a kitchen sink. This isn’t the first time Walker defended his hair without anyone really questioning it, having done so in an October 2014 visit with the Wisconsin State Journal’s editorial board.
 
ya ...facts always get in the way of a good argument
In Max's defense, it's hard to keep blaming Obama if you just rely on facts.
OMG. This is like blaming the rise of the Nazis on Woodrow Wilson rather than Neville Chamberlain. Insanity.
i must have missed the part when Obama met with the leaders of ISIS and offered them Czechoslovakia.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2015/08/07/rise-of-islamic-state-was-a-willful-decision-former-dia-chief-michael-flynn/

 
I would never vote for a president with that bald spot.
Scott Walker going all out to win votes....

Scott Walker Would Like to Remind You He Earned His Bald Spot in a Manly Injury

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker doesn’t want you to think his bald spot is the result of something like bad genes or natural aging. That’s the kind of problem a Democrat would have. The presidential hopeful reminded a Washington Post reporter that the hairless patch on his scalp comes from a scar he received after bumping his head fixing a kitchen sink. This isn’t the first time Walker defended his hair without anyone really questioning it, having done so in an October 2014 visit with the Wisconsin State Journal’s editorial board.
<Trump>

A real man would have fixed the sink without bumping his head.

</Trump>

 
I would never vote for a president with that bald spot.
Scott Walker going all out to win votes....

Scott Walker Would Like to Remind You He Earned His Bald Spot in a Manly Injury

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker doesn’t want you to think his bald spot is the result of something like bad genes or natural aging. That’s the kind of problem a Democrat would have. The presidential hopeful reminded a Washington Post reporter that the hairless patch on his scalp comes from a scar he received after bumping his head fixing a kitchen sink. This isn’t the first time Walker defended his hair without anyone really questioning it, having done so in an October 2014 visit with the Wisconsin State Journal’s editorial board.
<Trump>

A real man would have fixed the sink without bumping his head.

</Trump>
He likes people who don't bump their head...

 
I would never vote for a president with that bald spot.
Scott Walker going all out to win votes....

Scott Walker Would Like to Remind You He Earned His Bald Spot in a Manly Injury

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker doesn’t want you to think his bald spot is the result of something like bad genes or natural aging. That’s the kind of problem a Democrat would have. The presidential hopeful reminded a Washington Post reporter that the hairless patch on his scalp comes from a scar he received after bumping his head fixing a kitchen sink. This isn’t the first time Walker defended his hair without anyone really questioning it, having done so in an October 2014 visit with the Wisconsin State Journal’s editorial board.
<Trump>

A real man would have fixed had the sink fixed by his servant*without bumping his head.

</Trump>
Fixed.

*-please don't ask about their immigration status

-QG

 
It's going to be interesting how you tear down Ben Carson. I await. From what has been posted on the Hillary thread/threads you have your day coming regarding any GOP guy/gal. Bring it, its all good.

 
It's going to be interesting how you tear down Ben Carson. I await. From what has been posted on the Hillary thread/threads you have your day coming regarding any GOP guy/gal. Bring it, its all good.
he doesn't need help. he'll bring himself down.
 

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