rockaction
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I loved this analogy but wasn't sure either. Perhaps it's a step down from being so out-of-touch that you don't know what a supermarket scanner is? If so, well played.
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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (1 Viewer)
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MaxThreshold
Footballguy
But how much do they cost? I just bought some this weekend and now I'm freaking out that I paid too much!
timschochet
Footballguy
Ben Carson is firmly in the debates, consistently polling at 10%, which is pretty high. (Trump, the current leader, is at 19%).
I'm interested in hearing him. I don't know Ben Carson, never seen him speak or interviewed. I've read his comments and found them to be on the extreme end, somewhere even beyond Ted Cruz. But I'm not reading the context so perhaps that's unfair. Obviously if he was an innovative surgeon then he must be a pretty bright guy, though I admit the quotes, especially about gays, don't show any evidence of it. But there must be something there that attracts so many Republicans. Surely it can't all be about his skin color.
Hopefully we'll learn more Thursday night...
I'm interested in hearing him. I don't know Ben Carson, never seen him speak or interviewed. I've read his comments and found them to be on the extreme end, somewhere even beyond Ted Cruz. But I'm not reading the context so perhaps that's unfair. Obviously if he was an innovative surgeon then he must be a pretty bright guy, though I admit the quotes, especially about gays, don't show any evidence of it. But there must be something there that attracts so many Republicans. Surely it can't all be about his skin color.
Hopefully we'll learn more Thursday night...
Ben Carson may be a really skilled doctor, etc., but he's another one of these social conservatives who's pretty much behind the times. I guess it's possible to be very skilled as a brain surgeon, but not be smart on equality.
I also don't get the draw to this guy; I've seen him on many interviews, and he comes off as very reserved. I don't get the draw to him.
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Huckabee must have his entire family constantly telling how great a President he'd be; he's running, I believe, for the 3rd time, and no political consultant with any credibility could make a case that he could win the election. This is a guy who was making a few million a year on FOX, and had already capitalized from his previous runs (with some early success) to make a name for himself within the party. I'm not sure how/why he'd consider running again unless he lets the 10 people telling him great he is delude his thinking.
Santorum is sort of in that boat as well; had some pretty surprising success in the last Republican nomination process, but is never going to win.
I guess a few of these people like publicity that they receive.
timschochet
Footballguy
I think it's only the second time for Huckabee.
And I would guess that he was surprised at how well he did in 2008, and then watched the Tea Party (which expressed many of his views) rise in the years since, and honestly thinks he has a shot at the nomination. (Also the fact that Huckabee watched in 2012 while a far less charismatic version of himself named Rick Santorum actually won several states must have caught his attention.) I agree with you that he doesn't likely have a chance, but in today's splintered GOP, anything's possible.
And I would guess that he was surprised at how well he did in 2008, and then watched the Tea Party (which expressed many of his views) rise in the years since, and honestly thinks he has a shot at the nomination. (Also the fact that Huckabee watched in 2012 while a far less charismatic version of himself named Rick Santorum actually won several states must have caught his attention.) I agree with you that he doesn't likely have a chance, but in today's splintered GOP, anything's possible.
Fair points; I'm sure he see's a path through his social conservatism views. I think he's more appealing that Santorum, but they are both probably hurt by the number of candidates who are taking social positions pretty close to their's. The perceived leaders aren't known for (or seen as running on) social views (for the most part with some exceptions on specific issues) like Huckabee or Santorum though.
QuizGuy66
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Christie booed mercilessly at Haskell Trophy Ceremony.
http://patch.com/new-jersey/middletown-nj/watch-christie-booed-mercilessly-monmouth-park-after-american-pharoah-win
He deserves it.
-QG
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Did you see this recent exchange in Iowa?
Christie booed mercilessly at Haskell Trophy Ceremony.
http://patch.com/new-jersey/middletown-nj/watch-christie-booed-mercilessly-monmouth-park-after-american-pharoah-win
He deserves it.
-QG
Chris Christie tore into a gun rights activist who questioned his Second Amendment record in an Iowa town hall event Saturday night, displaying the fiery and confrontational style the New Jersey governor is known for.
"I'm still waiting for one fact from you, one fact about me being anti-gun," Christie scolded the man. "Give me one. One fact. Got one?"
NJ.com found some facts the Gov. should remember:
Because it's true now, it was true yesterday, and it will be true long after this presidential campaign becomes history's yard waste: Gov. Christie has signed more than a dozen pieces of legislation that by any loose definition can be termed "gun-control." They are not hard to find. This newspaper prints them at regular intervals.
The NJ.com article goes on to list several examples, plus points out Christie's own quote, to "strengthen New Jersey's already tough gun laws and upgrade penalties for those who ... violate gun trafficking laws" one day in 2013, when he signed (count 'em) 10 pieces of legislation.
He's a bully who shook hands with Obama. That's it. He's got nothing else.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Yeah but now Christie says he will use his pardon power to nullify people who came to New Jersey and break our laws.Did you see this recent exchange in Iowa?
Christie booed mercilessly at Haskell Trophy Ceremony.
http://patch.com/new-jersey/middletown-nj/watch-christie-booed-mercilessly-monmouth-park-after-american-pharoah-win
He deserves it.
-QG
Chris Christie tore into a gun rights activist who questioned his Second Amendment record in an Iowa town hall event Saturday night, displaying the fiery and confrontational style the New Jersey governor is known for.
"I'm still waiting for one fact from you, one fact about me being anti-gun," Christie scolded the man. "Give me one. One fact. Got one?"
NJ.com found some facts the Gov. should remember:
Because it's true now, it was true yesterday, and it will be true long after this presidential campaign becomes history's yard waste: Gov. Christie has signed more than a dozen pieces of legislation that by any loose definition can be termed "gun-control." They are not hard to find. This newspaper prints them at regular intervals.
The NJ.com article goes on to list several examples, plus points out Christie's own quote, to "strengthen New Jersey's already tough gun laws and upgrade penalties for those who ... violate gun trafficking laws" one day in 2013, when he signed (count 'em) 10 pieces of legislation.
He's a bully who shook hands with Obama. That's it. He's got nothing else.
Basically he is shameless.
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/08/christie_says_hell_likely_pardon_gun-toting_out-of.html
Anyway back to regular programming - we gotta get ready for the debate!!!!
-QG
Amused to Death
Footballguy
The more I think about this clip, the more I think the guy was a plant for Christie. If you're gonna show up with a baited question, why bring up an issue that CC actually vetoed? And he had nothing else? I think the whole exchange was staged so Christie could look tough and score some anti-gun control points.
ericttspikes
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joffer
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QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Yep. Definitely the guy that most reminds me of the politician in Stephen King's "The Dead Zone"
-QG
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
''i could make bacon terrific'' = Trumprockaction said:
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Fun clip until the extreme close up of his face.joffer said:
timschochet
Footballguy
Carly Fiorina said tonight that Congress should shut down the government before funding Planned Parenthood.
Unbelievable. And she's supposed to be one of the reasonable ones.
Unbelievable. And she's supposed to be one of the reasonable ones.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
What a motley crew on stage tonight. It's no wonder Trump leads in the polls. Still think it comes down to Bush vs. Christie. Christie's number will rise the more they debate. The only guy tonight who came off at all presidential. I don't agree with a lot of what he says but he was easily the most impressive tonight. I thought it was an off night for Bush, he appeared more nervous than anything.
All the talking points the same as four years ago. The party needs a forward thinker, not the ones who say the same things we've heard for the last several election cycles. I can't believe Carson was polling at 10%. Him, Graham, santorum, fiorina, Pataki, Cruz and Perry can all get out now. They're just wasting their time.
All the talking points the same as four years ago. The party needs a forward thinker, not the ones who say the same things we've heard for the last several election cycles. I can't believe Carson was polling at 10%. Him, Graham, santorum, fiorina, Pataki, Cruz and Perry can all get out now. They're just wasting their time.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Okay, I like that.joffer said:
Mister CIA
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Camille Paglia also made this comment in a serious way in a Salon.com article.
Yes, his hair.
His hair!
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
She's part of the undercard. Let us see if Trump can manage to take a shot at her there.
Crap. I misread above about the 1% polling and thought it was for the regular debate.
timschochet
Footballguy
Are they really going to waste time talking about Planned Parenthood? Just amazing.
rockaction
Footballguy
It wouldn't be a Republican primary if they weren't talking about abortion, man. It certainly should be discussed.
Paulymaggs
Footballguy
Was there a mini debate today? 
timschochet
Footballguy
I don't recall it being a central issue during the last 2 campaigns. Correctly, the focus was on the economy.
When I talk to Republicans, they seem to be interested in the following issues:
1. The economy
2. Obamacare
3. illegal immigration
4. Foreign affairs (Iran, ISIS, Russia)
5. Law and Order issues (police, black arrests, riots, etc.)
Abortion and gay marriage aren't on the list. If the candidates choose to concentrate on those issues, I suspect they're going to get a deaf ear from the GOP electorate. Just a guess.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think abortion matters very much. It centers around power, perceived power, articles of the constitution and other things. I'm not being hostile when I say this, but I can break it down in a way if you'd like. I just don't want to write a ####-ton for no audience, really, at this point. But Roe was a weird and landmark decision in many ways...it's tremendously important for Republicans, who have made this an issue for so long that they should come to grips with it during a primary and election year that they're essentially buried under anyway.
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timschochet
Footballguy
I didn't say it doesn't matter. But in the year 2016, in the larger scheme of things, I'm be amazed if Republicans placed it front and center over issues that the American public is really concerned about. They're free to do it, but I think they're making a huge mistake.
And it sure sounds like they're going to make it. Despite all of their pledges of no more government shutdowns, they're going to shut down the government over spending for Planned Parenthood. I think that's ####### nuts.
And it sure sounds like they're going to make it. Despite all of their pledges of no more government shutdowns, they're going to shut down the government over spending for Planned Parenthood. I think that's ####### nuts.
Eephus
Footballguy
I don't think abortion is a winning issue for the GOP in the general election but it expect to hear a lot about it during the primaries. But I wonder how smart it is for a candidate to dwell on abortion during Thursday's debates. All the GOP candidates are opposed to choice so it's almost impossible for any one of them to differentiate his or herself from the others by outflanking the field.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
http://www.c-span.org/video/?327157-1/2016-republican-candidates-voters-first-forumWas there a mini debate today?
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
Some dumb questions tonight too. "What country will you visit first as president?" It's a year and a half away. Who the hell knows what will be going on in Jan '17. Then the questions stating something is a "controversial" issue and how do you feel about it? Uh, I'm opposed!
Paulymaggs
Footballguy
Just saw that, thanks.http://www.c-span.org/video/?327157-1/2016-republican-candidates-voters-first-forumWas there a mini debate today?
However, this thing just doesn't seem legitimate without The Donald?
Paulymaggs
Footballguy
Kasich looks like he hates everyone
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I'm not going to dig into the details because they're all the same but there are three new polls out today - Bloomberg, Fox and NBC/WSJ, and in all three Trump is killing the GOP field.
I don't get the predictions of Trump's eventual demise, ie the claims he can't win - I think he can and maybe will win the nomination. He's definitely going to win in IA & NH and after that the only question is if all those other candidates don't try to play musical chairs and instead drop out so a consensus can form against him. Trump has totally played this system.
I guess he could skrew up in some major way but he or his reps have already made comments about Mexicans, wounded vets, spousal rape... every time Trump trumps the media and the establishment by calling them out for playing games and being hypocritical.
I don't get the predictions of Trump's eventual demise, ie the claims he can't win - I think he can and maybe will win the nomination. He's definitely going to win in IA & NH and after that the only question is if all those other candidates don't try to play musical chairs and instead drop out so a consensus can form against him. Trump has totally played this system.
I guess he could skrew up in some major way but he or his reps have already made comments about Mexicans, wounded vets, spousal rape... every time Trump trumps the media and the establishment by calling them out for playing games and being hypocritical.
timschochet
Footballguy
Saints you just wrote that Trump will definitely win Iowa and New Hampshire. I don't believe he will come close to winning either.
whoknew
Footballguy
Because he is Nickelback:
Despite what you may have read elsewhere — or heard from the man himself — Donald Trump is not all that popular with Republican voters. Sure, he’s in first place in many polls. But Trump is near the back of the pack by another important measure.
In the chart below, I’ve taken an average of favorability ratings from seven polls of Republican voters that were conducted wholly or partly after Trump made his comments about John McCain on July 18. They include national polls from CNN, Public Policy Polling and YouGov, along with polls of Iowa and New Hampshire from each of Marist College and Monmouth University.1
On average in these polls, Trump’s favorability ratings among Republicans are barely better than break-even: 47 percent favorable and 43 percent unfavorable. Among the 17 Republican candidates, Trump’s net favorable rating, +4, ranks 13th, ahead of only Chris Christie, Jim Gilmore, Lindsey Graham and George Pataki.
And yet, in these same polls, Trump is the first choice of an average of 20 percent of Republican voters — the highest in the field, ahead of Scott Walker (14 percent) and Jeb Bush (12 percent).
What’s going on? On Twitter yesterday, I likened Trump to the band Nickelback: disliked by most people but with a few very passionate admirers. The best contrast to Trump is Marco Rubio: like a “lite rock” radio station, he’s broadly acceptable but few people’s favorite. Rubio’s favorable ratings are much higher (56 percent) than The Donald’s, and his unfavorable ratings are much lower (16 percent). But only 6 percent of Republicans list Rubio as their first choice.
The Nickelback analogy isn’t perfect. As the Republican strategist Patrick Ruffini points out, the bulk of Trump’s support in polls isn’t necessarily coming from passionate Republicans but rather from “low-information voters” who may not turn out in Iowa and New Hampshire. That doesn’t mean none of Trump’s support is real, however. There’s another factor that helps him: He’s highly differentiated from the rest of the Republican pack.
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I don’t mean to suggest that favorability ratings are foolproof. Like the first-choice numbers, they can fluctuate. Before Trump officially declared for the presidency last month, his favorability ratings among Republicans were execrable. They improved after he announced his candidacy but have since slipped back to mediocre (well below the standard of candidates who have won their party’s nomination in the past).
But if you’re going to imply that a candidate is popular based on their receiving 20 percent of the vote, you ought to consider what the other 80 percent thinks about him. Most Republicans who don’t plan to vote for Trump are skeptical of him instead.
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