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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

roadkill1292 said:
Conviction is overrated and that includes Bernie, too. I want my presidents to be more pragmatic and willing to change course if the evidence suggests it.
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Problem is that most of our politicians change course in favor of what is politically convenient despite what the evidence suggests.

 
CBusAlex said:
Since the debate, this thread contains 40 instances of the word "Jeb", and only 15 of "Bush". Whatever else you may say about his campaign so far, it seems he's been pretty successful at rebranding himself away from his brother.
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How many of those Jebs are Jeb!s?

-QG

 
Dickies said:
roadkill1292 said:
Conviction is overrated and that includes Bernie, too. I want my presidents to be more pragmatic and willing to change course if the evidence suggests it.
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Problem is that most of our politicians change course in favor of what is politically convenient despite what the evidence suggests.
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Most idiots fall for it.

 
CBusAlex said:
Since the debate, this thread contains 40 instances of the word "Jeb", and only 15 of "Bush". Whatever else you may say about his campaign so far, it seems he's been pretty successful at rebranding himself away from his brother.
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I think it comes down to choosing to type 3 letters instead of 4.

 
HellToupee said:
CBusAlex said:
Since the debate, this thread contains 40 instances of the word "Jeb", and only 15 of "Bush". Whatever else you may say about his campaign so far, it seems he's been pretty successful at rebranding himself away from his brother.
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I think it comes down to choosing to type 3 letters instead of 4.
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3 v 4 ltrs

 
All of these student protests have created an opening for a "Nixon" type response from one of these candidates, talking about law and order, etc. who will grab the mantel?

 
timschochet said:
culdeus said:
Has anyone made a poll of where carson/trump voters are going to go once they quit the race?
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The thought is that since both are anti-establishment guys, Ted Cruz will be the winner, and that might just give him the nomination. We'll see.
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I'm trying to work through that thought....how do anti-establishment votes translate to vote for Cruz? He's right in the thick of it with the rest of them. :confused:

 
The Commish said:
timschochet said:
culdeus said:
Has anyone made a poll of where carson/trump voters are going to go once they quit the race?
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The thought is that since both are anti-establishment guys, Ted Cruz will be the winner, and that might just give him the nomination. We'll see.
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I'm trying to work through that thought....how do anti-establishment votes translate to vote for Cruz? He's right in the thick of it with the rest of them. :confused:
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He's just a senator. There's not much he can do. :)

 
The Commish said:
timschochet said:
culdeus said:
Has anyone made a poll of where carson/trump voters are going to go once they quit the race?
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The thought is that since both are anti-establishment guys, Ted Cruz will be the winner, and that might just give him the nomination. We'll see.
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I'm trying to work through that thought....how do anti-establishment votes translate to vote for Cruz? He's right in the thick of it with the rest of them. :confused:
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His spin is that he's been fighting the establishment.

 
I honestly think the trump supporters sit out for the most part. These are not smart, sophisticated, politically informed people who are their supporters and they will likely just fade away.

There are exceptions to this I'm sure but anybody with half a brain realizes that a Trump presidency is a complete and utter disaster.

As for Carson supporters, maybe they find another somebody or maybe they follow suit and disappear in the crowd

 
Righetti said:
I honestly think the trump supporters sit out for the most part. These are not smart, sophisticated, politically informed people who are their supporters and they will likely just fade away.

There are exceptions to this I'm sure but anybody with half a brain realizes that a Trump presidency is a complete and utter disaster.

As for Carson supporters, maybe they find another somebody or maybe they follow suit and disappear in the crowd
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I don't see Trump people sitting out & not voting , to the contrary I think they are highly motivated. I think the thing drawing them to Trump is he's not a pol & he's talking tough about the border & illegal immigration.I think you're reading the situation wrong

 
The Commish said:
timschochet said:
culdeus said:
Has anyone made a poll of where carson/trump voters are going to go once they quit the race?
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The thought is that since both are anti-establishment guys, Ted Cruz will be the winner, and that might just give him the nomination. We'll see.
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I'm trying to work through that thought....how do anti-establishment votes translate to vote for Cruz? He's right in the thick of it with the rest of them. :confused:
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He goes out of his way to let everyone know how he stands up against the establishment.

He hasn't gone after anyone personally in this race, and has gone out of his way to complement Trump so I think there's a thought that he is positioning himself as the 2nd choice to Trump supporters should his numbers start to decline.

In these debates recently, he has been the one screaming about the media, immigration and has been getting a lot of headlines from these last 2 debates.

Everything is fluid, but I'm starting to think he could be emerge in these polls as he knows the policies, is angry, so he's a smarter choice than Carson/Trump for these angry voters, but at the same time, as much as he says he's not establishment, can mix in some of his experience in office to show he has made a difference, and can be trusted as opposed to Rubio/Bush.

I could be wrong, and Rubio has been the other guy in this race who seems to dominate in the debate, but I'm starting to think these 2 are the ones standing at the top come January as I still have a hard time believing that Carson / Trump will still be riding high as their lack of policy knowledge will eventually be their undoing.

 
QuizGuy66 said:
Cruz came out in favor of bombing civilians today. Surely that wouldn't help recruiters to terrorist groups.

-QG
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What was his actual quote? I'm getting a vibe that you're taking him out of context here.

 
We have to expect that Paris will have a significant impact on the race. Some pundits this morning think it will help Trump. I seriously hope not. I'd like to think that the public, including Republicans, react to these situations by looking to serious people...but I don't know.

 
timschochet said:
We have to expect that Paris will have a significant impact on the race. Some pundits this morning think it will help Trump. I seriously hope not. I'd like to think that the public, including Republicans, react to these situations by looking to serious people...but I don't know.
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The pundits framed it that way because nobody else has a plan. Until these other "serious people" have a plan, bombing them (which we do anyway) and taking all their oil sounds a lot better than it did yesterday.

 
Righetti said:
I honestly think the trump supporters sit out for the most part. These are not smart, sophisticated, politically informed people who are their supporters and they will likely just fade away.

There are exceptions to this I'm sure but anybody with half a brain realizes that a Trump presidency is a complete and utter disaster.
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Has anyone ever gotten elected by appealing to smart, sophisticated, politically informed people with half a brain?

If your description of Trump's supporters is accurate, I don't think that's a good reason to discount Trump's chances of winning.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Righetti said:
I honestly think the trump supporters sit out for the most part. These are not smart, sophisticated, politically informed people who are their supporters and they will likely just fade away.

There are exceptions to this I'm sure but anybody with half a brain realizes that a Trump presidency is a complete and utter disaster.
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Has anyone ever gotten elected by appealing to smart, sophisticated, politically informed people with half a brain?

If your description of Trump's supporters is accurate, I don't think that's a good reason to discount Trump's chances of winning.
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I agree. If the news that their were refugees amongst the attackers, then that is a lot of ammunition for Donald.

 
cubd8 said:
QuizGuy66 said:
Cruz came out in favor of bombing civilians today. Surely that wouldn't help recruiters to terrorist groups.

-QG
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What was his actual quote? I'm getting a vibe that you're taking him out of context here.
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I'll find exact quote but basically said we should increase "acceptable range of civilian casualties" in bombing (referring to groups like ISIS). Nice red meat thing to say but the sort of quote that those groups put in their recruitment videos.

-QG

 
And it is true that collateral damage as it were is already in the mix. Cruz's statement is politically useful in the primary but plays into the recruiting hands of groups like ISIS when they pull their bait-and-switch sales pitch to recruits.

-QG

 
cubd8 said:
The Commish said:
timschochet said:
culdeus said:
Has anyone made a poll of where carson/trump voters are going to go once they quit the race?
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The thought is that since both are anti-establishment guys, Ted Cruz will be the winner, and that might just give him the nomination. We'll see.
Click to expand...
I'm trying to work through that thought....how do anti-establishment votes translate to vote for Cruz? He's right in the thick of it with the rest of them. :confused:
Click to expand...
He goes out of his way to let everyone know how he stands up against the establishment.

He hasn't gone after anyone personally in this race, and has gone out of his way to complement Trump so I think there's a thought that he is positioning himself as the 2nd choice to Trump supporters should his numbers start to decline.

In these debates recently, he has been the one screaming about the media, immigration and has been getting a lot of headlines from these last 2 debates.

Everything is fluid, but I'm starting to think he could be emerge in these polls as he knows the policies, is angry, so he's a smarter choice than Carson/Trump for these angry voters, but at the same time, as much as he says he's not establishment, can mix in some of his experience in office to show he has made a difference, and can be trusted as opposed to Rubio/Bush.

I could be wrong, and Rubio has been the other guy in this race who seems to dominate in the debate, but I'm starting to think these 2 are the ones standing at the top come January as I still have a hard time believing that Carson / Trump will still be riding high as their lack of policy knowledge will eventually be their undoing.
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I'll try the question another way....what in his actions has said "anti-establishment" that one of these anti-establishment types would hop on board? Everything in his actions scream "anti-dem" which isn't the same thing....not even close. His voting record seems on par with the GOP ("yeah sequester, screw compromise" etc). I don't get it :shrug: My favorite position to date is being "pro military" while voting for sequesters etc.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Righetti said:
I honestly think the trump supporters sit out for the most part. These are not smart, sophisticated, politically informed people who are their supporters and they will likely just fade away.

There are exceptions to this I'm sure but anybody with half a brain realizes that a Trump presidency is a complete and utter disaster.
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Has anyone ever gotten elected by appealing to smart, sophisticated, politically informed people with half a brain?

If your description of Trump's supporters is accurate, I don't think that's a good reason to discount Trump's chances of winning.
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My post was a response to the question where Trump supporters would go when/if he drops out of the race and I tend to think that people who are currently supporting Trump are the type of people who the celebrity loudmouth appeals to and I do not see a natural alternative to him for them

I think the appeal to Trump is his outsider, brash, say anything style and there is nobody else like him in this race. If you were a trump supporter and you go to Rubio then you weren't really a believer in what Trump was selling because if you were then there would not be anybody else who would appeal to you

 
HellToupee said:
Righetti said:
I honestly think the trump supporters sit out for the most part. These are not smart, sophisticated, politically informed people who are their supporters and they will likely just fade away.

There are exceptions to this I'm sure but anybody with half a brain realizes that a Trump presidency is a complete and utter disaster.

As for Carson supporters, maybe they find another somebody or maybe they follow suit and disappear in the crowd
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I don't see Trump people sitting out & not voting , to the contrary I think they are highly motivated. I think the thing drawing them to Trump is he's not a pol & he's talking tough about the border & illegal immigration.I think you're reading the situation wrong
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If Trump drops out (which is what I was responding to) I just don't see them turning out in droves for Rubio or Christie or whomever

 
Ilov80s said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Righetti said:
I honestly think the trump supporters sit out for the most part. These are not smart, sophisticated, politically informed people who are their supporters and they will likely just fade away.

There are exceptions to this I'm sure but anybody with half a brain realizes that a Trump presidency is a complete and utter disaster.
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Has anyone ever gotten elected by appealing to smart, sophisticated, politically informed people with half a brain?

If your description of Trump's supporters is accurate, I don't think that's a good reason to discount Trump's chances of winning.
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I agree. If the news that their were refugees amongst the attackers, then that is a lot of ammunition for Donald.
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I have no doubt that if this is found to be true that the news will be like the bat signal for the Trump Express

 
RBM said:
timschochet said:
Trump surging. At 42% in latest Reuters poll among likely Republican voters- and this was taken BEFORE Paris:

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-surges-among-likely-republican-primary-voters-reuters-213521679.html
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Man I thought his fade was starting but between this poll and now the Paris attacks which I think will give him a big boost, there might be no stopping him.
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It might have been... but then people started actually paying attention to Carson. He is way too scary.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
RBM said:
timschochet said:
Trump surging. At 42% in latest Reuters poll among likely Republican voters- and this was taken BEFORE Paris:

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-surges-among-likely-republican-primary-voters-reuters-213521679.html
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Man I thought his fade was starting but between this poll and now the Paris attacks which I think will give him a big boost, there might be no stopping him.
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It might have been... but then people started actually paying attention to Carson. He is way too scary.
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He makes Trump look informed.

 
I like Carson. He had an upbringing like most blacks in the inner city of Detroit. Just respect the guy & figure if he can get through med-school, Harvard he obviously has some smarts & can adept on the fly; i.e. our Country. I also think he has a good heart & really does care about the USA & you. He seems like the least of the bunch to actually want power, to have power, to further themselves. IMO

 
Carson Alert: He actually think you should be responsible for your actions & should work for a living if physically possible.

I know---Shocker!

 
Let's say he has a good heart, doesn't really want the power, and thinks you should work if possible instead of having welfare.

So what? Are these your only qualifications for being President?

Getting through medical school undoubtedly takes smarts and hard work. Do you feel smarts and hard work in one field mean you will be equally qualified and successful in an entirely unrelated field with zero experience?

 
AnonymousBob said:
Let's say he has a good heart, doesn't really want the power, and thinks you should work if possible instead of having welfare.

So what? Are these your only qualifications for being President?

Getting through medical school undoubtedly takes smarts and hard work. Do you feel smarts and hard work in one field mean you will be equally qualified and successful in an entirely unrelated field with zero experience?
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Nope, but I would take a guy trying to figure out what is best for our country in the first one year & going from there because he believes America is exceptional. Rather than same o, same o. imo

 
I look at motives. I'm actually good at reading people. Carson has no motive to be president other than he loves his country. Hillary wants to be president because of the power. She got to fire some folks & liked it. She flunked her first state bar law exam. Took it in another state that was easier. Bill got to bang his bimbos, now Hillary get's to bang hers. Want to blast Ben for his opinions on stuff. Blast off. From what I seen posted it's pretty easy.

 
irishidiot said:
AnonymousBob said:
Let's say he has a good heart, doesn't really want the power, and thinks you should work if possible instead of having welfare.

So what? Are these your only qualifications for being President?

Getting through medical school undoubtedly takes smarts and hard work. Do you feel smarts and hard work in one field mean you will be equally qualified and successful in an entirely unrelated field with zero experience?
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Nope, but I would take a guy trying to figure out what is best for our country in the first one year & going from there because he believes America is exceptional. Rather than same o, same o. imo
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Do you believe Carson is the only candidate on either side who thinks America is exceptional?

 
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