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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (3 Viewers)

Like Iowa matters. Iowa is the equivalent to the week leading up to the Superbowl. Just something to talk about to fill airspace until the "game" begins. Iowa is not the start of anything. 6 electoral votes :lol: California craps more than 6 electoral votes. Bill Clinton, George Bush and Ronald Reagan all lost Iowa. Huckabee, Gephardt, and Tom Harkin have won Iowa. What a joke.

 
Republican voter turnout was the highest in the history of the Iowa caucus. 180,000 people participated (compared to 121,000 in 2012). I think a lot of them were on a mission to stop Donald Trump.

 
I think the odds of a brokered convention have gone up, though. A Trump bounce back effort could really set the table. 3 guys with roughly a third of the support each - none of those will back down from that. :popcorn:

-QG

 
Republican voter turnout was the highest in the history of the Iowa caucus. 180,000 people participated (compared to 121,000 in 2012). I think a lot of them were on a mission to stop Donald Trump.
Lots of new voters in both parties. Likely why the polling ended being off by a good margin. These were not the traditional "likely voter".

 
I think the odds of a brokered convention have gone up, though. A Trump bounce back effort could really set the table. 3 guys with roughly a third of the support each - none of those will back down from that. :popcorn:

-QG
Iowa only helps to start to shape the race, it does not define it (look at who the last couple of times). NH now become crucial for Trump. If he fails to win- it further takes the wind out of his sails. With his ridiculous bravado, he set the expectations very high and now that he lost Iowa he lost momentum. Unless he gets #1 in NH then I suspect he will be on a steep decline after.

If things shape out the way I think they may- the herd will thin out more after NH and we will end up with a race that is primarily between Cruz and Rubio.

 
One party has one of the oldest and whitest guys you can find as a potential nominee. The other has two guys with the surnames of Cruz and Rubio. Which is which?

 
I think the odds of a brokered convention have gone up, though. A Trump bounce back effort could really set the table. 3 guys with roughly a third of the support each - none of those will back down from that. :popcorn:

-QG
Iowa only helps to start to shape the race, it does not define it (look at who the last couple of times). NH now become crucial for Trump. If he fails to win- it further takes the wind out of his sails. With his ridiculous bravado, he set the expectations very high and now that he lost Iowa he lost momentum. Unless he gets #1 in NH then I suspect he will be on a steep decline after.

If things shape out the way I think they may- the herd will thin out more after NH and we will end up with a race that is primarily between Cruz and Rubio.
When 1/2 your campaign is based on "I win everything elect me and we can win everything" then you cannot afford to start out 0-2.

 
Any chance someone could post some updated odds on winning the GOP nomination and/or the presidency from the books?
I'm your huckleberry. Clinton +110

Rubio +300

Trump +350

Bernie +500

Cruz +1200

Jeb +4000

Carson is +75000 if you are feeling randy

R's:

Rubio -130

Trump +200

Cruz +600

Bush +2500

Hillary -500 and Bernie +350 for their party.

Democrats are -140 and Republicans are +125 for the general.

 
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Republican voter turnout was the highest in the history of the Iowa caucus. 180,000 people participated (compared to 121,000 in 2012). I think a lot of them were on a mission to stop Donald Trump.
So turnout was 60,000 more than usual, Trump got 45,000 votes and missed first place 6,000.

Your theory seems solid. :loco:

 
Ben Carson attacking Cruz and claiming dirty tricks. My favorite is this passage...

The usually mild-mannered Carson accused the other side of using the process to execute “dirty tricks.”

“It’s the exact thing the American people are tired of,” he said. “Why would we want to continue with this kind of shenanigans?”

He said his suspicions were also confirmed by tweets, “other correspondence,” and a first-hand experience by his wife at a precinct.

Carson said his wife Candy arrived at the precinct to learn that a Cruz supporter was “disseminating” the misinformation and was asked to set straight the record.

She did, and we won that precinct,” he said.

:lmao:

 
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Republican voter turnout was the highest in the history of the Iowa caucus. 180,000 people participated (compared to 121,000 in 2012). I think a lot of them were on a mission to stop Donald Trump.
Lots of new voters in both parties. Likely why the polling ended being off by a good margin. These were not the traditional "likely voter".
The belief going in was that high turnout of non-likely voters would be good news for Trump. Instead he got a big dose of "Not so fast my friend".

 
Republican voter turnout was the highest in the history of the Iowa caucus. 180,000 people participated (compared to 121,000 in 2012). I think a lot of them were on a mission to stop Donald Trump.
So turnout was 60,000 more than usual, Trump got 45,000 votes and missed first place 6,000.Your theory seems solid. :loco:
Cruz got 51,666 votes (a very apt number btw), which is 20K more than the winner got in 2012 and 10K more than the winner got in 2008. A big chunk of that 20K was motivated to stop Trump.

 
Republican voter turnout was the highest in the history of the Iowa caucus. 180,000 people participated (compared to 121,000 in 2012). I think a lot of them were on a mission to stop Donald Trump.
So turnout was 60,000 more than usual, Trump got 45,000 votes and missed first place 6,000.Your theory seems solid. :loco:
Cruz got 51,666 votes (a very apt number btw), which is 20K more than the winner got in 2012 and 10K more than the winner got in 2008. A big chunk of that 20K was motivated to stop Trump.
You think Cruz votes are anti-Trump votes? And you think turnout is due to anti-Trump voters?

Oh boy...you really have no idea what is going on inside the GOP right now and apparently are not up to speed as to why 63.5% of the vote went to party outsiders.

 
Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538Iowa was not just some random setback for Trump. It was the first time people actually voted.
That's some heavy duty commentary right there folks.
Especially from the guy who said Trump had zero chance to win the nomination and published a tome on all the reasons Trump was nothing to be concerned about.
Nate Silver deals with probability projections, so he didn't say and would never say that Trump had "zero chance" to win the nomination. He thought it was rather unlikely and he still may turn out to be right (although I doubt it). Anyway, let's see how this plays out.

 
Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538Iowa was not just some random setback for Trump. It was the first time people actually voted.
That's some heavy duty commentary right there folks.
Especially from the guy who said Trump had zero chance to win the nomination and published a tome on all the reasons Trump was nothing to be concerned about.
Yep, Silver may end being right about Trump's chances, but I have to wonder if there's any bias (either toward his own leanings or his prediction on Trump) that is seaping into the commentary/tweets. I hope not because I do find Silver to be the best analyst out there, and does a great job in not hyping national polling (for example).

 
Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538Iowa was not just some random setback for Trump. It was the first time people actually voted.
That's some heavy duty commentary right there folks.
Especially from the guy who said Trump had zero chance to win the nomination and published a tome on all the reasons Trump was nothing to be concerned about.
Nate Silver deals with probability projections, so he didn't say and would never say that Trump had "zero chance" to win the nomination. He thought it was rather unlikely and he still may turn out to be right (although I doubt it). Anyway, let's see how this plays out.
:goodposting:

We've been through numerous elections with him and it still seems like people don't understand what he does.

 
Nate Silver deals with probability projections, so he didn't say and would never say that Trump had "zero chance" to win the nomination. He thought it was rather unlikely and he still may turn out to be right (although I doubt it). Anyway, let's see how this plays out.
I understand that he does probability projections and I was exaggerating when I said that he gave Trump "zero chance."

My point being...he has viewed Trump as an immense long shot since day one. Thus, I dismissed his comment. Had a little snark in it...considering he never projected Trump to finished with the second most votes in GOP history in an Iowa caucus.

He may very well end up correct. But there is a difference in giving Trump next to no chance of getting the nomination and having his candidacy flameout on the launchpad so to speak and having the guy come within a stone's throw of it.

You know what I mean?

 
Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538Iowa was not just some random setback for Trump. It was the first time people actually voted.
That's some heavy duty commentary right there folks.
Especially from the guy who said Trump had zero chance to win the nomination and published a tome on all the reasons Trump was nothing to be concerned about.
Nate Silver deals with probability projections, so he didn't say and would never say that Trump had "zero chance" to win the nomination. He thought it was rather unlikely and he still may turn out to be right (although I doubt it). Anyway, let's see how this plays out.
:goodposting:

We've been through numerous elections with him and it still seems like people don't understand what he does.
Nate Silver: Bartolo Colon is a terrible hitter. He has a career .093 batting average

[Colon gets a hit]

Internet: Nate Silver was wrong about Bartolo Colon! He sucks! Why does Nate Silver hate Bartolo Colon so much? Stop listening to Nate Silver!

 
FYI...here is Silver's "Third Stage":

I am not sure if this was tweaked at all from when he originally published it as the article has been updated but didn't look to closely to see where the updates were as I was focusing on this stage:

Stage 3: Iowa and New Hampshire


When it happens: Feb. 1 and Feb. 9, based on the provisional calendar.

Potential threat to Trump: Middling performance in one or both states, either in an absolute sense or relative to polls.

Eventually, we’ll have some real votes to test the polls against. The odds are that the polls will be pretty far off in the first few states; they’re historically not very accurate in primaries and caucuses. One reason for this, perhaps the principal one, is because turnout is hard to predict. Trump has built some semblance of an organization in Iowa (he has less of one in New Hampshire), but it probably won’t be the best in the state at persuading voters to turn out.

Despite the relatively poor track record of polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, however, they have a major influence on how the results are interpreted by the press. Historically, the candidates who get the most favorable media coverage and receive the biggest “bounces” out of Iowa and New Hampshire are not those who perform the best in an absolute sense but instead those who beat the media’s expectations. It’s possible that Trump will master expectations management between now and Iowa, but, given his tendency to trumpet every favorable poll, he could also set himself up for a fall. A Trump who finishes in third place with 14 percent of the vote in Iowa won’t have much to brag about.
We are obviously in the middle of this stage at the moment with people trying to spin Trump's performance positively or negatively.

 
It seems like a 3 man race to me. Cruz, Trump and Rubio. It will be interesting to see if the establishment lines up behind Rubio - or rather, if any of the other candidates step aside. Not holding my breath.

 
It seems like a 3 man race to me. Cruz, Trump and Rubio. It will be interesting to see if the establishment lines up behind Rubio - or rather, if any of the other candidates step aside. Not holding my breath.
I think it will be Rubio.
Me too. But neither of the other two would shock me.
Rubio will be President some day
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