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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

SaintsInDome2006 said:
He's not going to be the nominee if he can't top 30-40 in any state.
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You can't just assume that if his opponents shrink that number doesn't go up. As each guy drops out he'll likely get more support and eventually edge above 50%. 

56% of Republicans now believe he will be the nominee. This acceptance is an important factor. 

 
timschochet said:
You can't just assume that if his opponents shrink that number doesn't go up. As each guy drops out he'll likely get more support and eventually edge above 50%. 

56% of Republicans now believe he will be the nominee. This acceptance is an important factor. 
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Yeah no doubt maybe it goes up but not yet.

Oh say what were we talking about?

 
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I heard someone say over the weekend that for Trump to win the nomination and avoid a brokered convention, he'd have to win all of the "winner take all" states and get at least 41% in the rest.

 
Look who knows how this plays out? I certainly don't. But all the TV experts said that Trump's numbers in South Carolina would go down. Not only was his debate supposed to be terrible, but for the first time there's been a ton of commercials in a state attacking Trump. 

None of its working. Trump looks to win South Carolina. And if he wins there how can he be stopped? 

 
timschochet said:
All the polls show Trump increasing his lead this morning, not just in South Carolina but in every state as well. Hard to see how Trump will not be the Republican nominee. 
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Trump is on a roll, same can be said for Sanders. At some point I still think the independents will swoop in to Clinton's rescue. Let's see what Sanders can do when they have to go to the polls in 10 states at once. Right now, 3-4 states get the red carpet treatment and made to feel special. 

Just because Trump might win the GOP nominee doesn't mean he will beat the DNC, that might be a cold hard dose of reality down the line. Not sure Scalia passing helps or hurts each side and to what degree. Suddenly there is a chance to clearly shift the overall power within the Supreme Court. 

Trump is on a roll, and I don't see a candidate capable of derailing him right now. He will take SC and Nevada almost assuredly before the Super Tuesday vote 1st of March, FL and OH 2 weeks later, within a month it is going to be pretty clear who the GOP nominee will be. 

First I have seen you deal with the cold reality of Trump being the official GOP nom. Doesn't mean he will win in November. 

 
If Trump goes to the convention with something like 45% of the delegates and he gets passed over for the nomination for somebody with a lot fewer delegates, that seems like a giant disaster for the GOP.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
If Trump goes to the convention with something like 45% of the delegates and he gets passed over for the nomination for somebody with a lot fewer delegates, that seems like a giant disaster for the GOP.
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Make it so.

The GOP deserves this for a few reasons but the party needs to act as gatekeeper for its own heritage and the American people at this point. If he wants to run 3rd party good send him packing.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
If Trump goes to the convention with something like 45% of the delegates and he gets passed over for the nomination for somebody with a lot fewer delegates, that seems like a giant disaster for the GOP.
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Doubt it happens that way. 

I posted that Trump has many of the winner take all states in his back pocket, something like 400 delegates are almost all his. There are between 2400-2500 total delegates. If he continues to run at 40-45% of the vote as others drop out...40% of the remaining 2,000 delegates come to about 800 added to his other 400 gives him just about the 1,200+ he needs. 

 
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fatguyinalittlecoat said:
If Trump goes to the convention with something like 45% of the delegates and he gets passed over for the nomination for somebody with a lot fewer delegates, that seems like a giant disaster for the GOP.
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seems like the dems might be heading down a similar path. they're going out of their way to make sure Hillary gets the nomination. who knows what they'll do next

 
timschochet said:
Look who knows how this plays out? I certainly don't. But all the TV experts said that Trump's numbers in South Carolina would go down. Not only was his debate supposed to be terrible, but for the first time there's been a ton of commercials in a state attacking Trump. 

None of its working. Trump looks to win South Carolina. And if he wins there how can he be stopped? 
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The attacks are from Cruz and Jeb for the most part and they are all personal.  If these idiots would stop the 3rd grade slap fights and pound on everyone that he's incredibly weak on policy (something I've been saying for months) the ads would be far more effective.

 
Jesus, it would be nice if the reporters just did their job.

I would love to see a reporter ask Trump what the most important Supreme Court decisions were besides Roe, see what he says.

 
The Commish said:
The attacks are from Cruz and Jeb for the most part and they are all personal.  If these idiots would stop the 3rd grade slap fights and pound on everyone that he's incredibly weak on policy (something I've been saying for months) the ads would be far more effective.
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The candidates have been terrible.

Heres an idea bring up Trump's statement that he learns everything on foreign policy from the news shows. He said that.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Doubt it happens that way. 

I posted that Trump has many of the winner take all states in his back pocket, something like 400 are almost all his. There are between 2400-2500 total delegates. If he continues to run at 40-45% of the vote as others drop out...40% of the remaining 2,000 delegates come to about 800 added to his other 400 gives him just about the 1,200+ he needs. 
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If you're talking 1200 & change to win ... That's not going to cut it, he's not going to win the nom with 51% of the delegates. That still leads him right up to the threshold but not across it. The party will bullocks that for sure.

 
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But Saints I really don't know if any "gotcha" question would even matter at this point. What we seem to have here is the 21st century version of the "Know Nothings". His supporters don't seem to care what he says; they just like that he won't back down. And voting for Trump is a big screw you to the system and they seem to love that. 

I have trouble believing any specific attack or criticism will hurt him at this point. It should have already. 

 
timschochet said:
But Saints I really don't know if any "gotcha" question would even matter at this point. What we seem to have here is the 21st century version of the "Know Nothings". His supporters don't seem to care what he says; they just like that he won't back down. And voting for Trump is a big screw you to the system and they seem to love that. 

I have trouble believing any specific attack or criticism will hurt him at this point. It should have already. 
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Did someone feed Timmy some truth serum? 

Very refreshing as you are not showing any support for Trump but engaging with the reality of the GOP right now. You can have all those terrible feelings towards Trump, you're entitled to along with everyone else but I like that you are discussing him without blasting him. I have said since the start, putting down Trump and his supporters only strengthens them.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Did someone feed Timmy some truth serum? 

Very refreshing as you are not showing any support for Trump but engaging with the reality of the GOP right now. You can have all those terrible feelings towards Trump, you're entitled to along with everyone else but I like that you are discussing him without blasting him. I have said since the start, putting down Trump and his supporters only strengthens them.
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Trump's not into reality. That's part of his problem. Part of it.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
If you're talking 1200 & change to win ... That's not going to cut it, he's not going to win the nom with 51% of the delegates. That still leads him right up to the threshold but not across it. The party will bullocks that for sure.
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40-45% of 2,400 is around 1,000 delegates but then you have to factor in the winner take all states which none of the others seem to have ANY in the bag other than Trump and you easily start moving North of 1,200 needed. 

The math works strongly in favor of Trump right now. 

 
timschochet said:
But Saints I really don't know if any "gotcha" question would even matter at this point. What we seem to have here is the 21st century version of the "Know Nothings". His supporters don't seem to care what he says; they just like that he won't back down. And voting for Trump is a big screw you to the system and they seem to love that. 

I have trouble believing any specific attack or criticism will hurt him at this point. It should have already. 
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Oh I agree with you there, I'm just asking the reporters to do their damn job.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
40-45% of 2,400 is around 1,000 delegates but then you have to factor in the winner take all states which none of the others seem to have ANY in the bag other than Trump and you easily start moving North of 1,200 needed. 

The math works strongly in favor of Trump right now. 
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But it hasn't yet. If he doesn't get out of that 30-40 range I don't think he gets the nom, that's all I'm saying. He will never be a consensus pick in the party, never.

 
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The convention is going to be a shtshow regardless. If the GOP is smart they will take him up on his threat to walk right now. 

 
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By the way Trump still hasn't delivered his millions gotten in the veterans tv fundraiser to any vets groups.

I posted the link but of course that's impossible to find now post "upgrade."

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Jesus, it would be nice if the reporters just did their job.

I would love to see a reporter ask Trump what the most important Supreme Court decisions were besides Roe, see what he says.
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Plessy v Ferguson?

 
[SIZE=9.5pt]This weekend returned me back 20 years ago when  five or six times per year  Vince McMahon would put [/SIZE]on Saturday Night Main Event.[SIZE=9.5pt]So with that in mind we out our favorite candidates into the WWF[/SIZE]Ted Cruz- Bret Hart

[SIZE=9.5pt]Excellence in Execution has no better comparison in the senate than what Ted Cruz is doing today and we’ll see him pull every string to make sure that Obama can’t get anything done..  [/SIZE]He was immensely popular amongst a certain fringe who believe that he is the best there is, the best there was and there best there ever will be when it comes to fighting for the constitution..

[SIZE=9.5pt]Oh yeah, that and he is a Canadian..[/SIZE]

 

[SIZE=9.5pt]Trump- Ted DiBiase[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=9.5pt]Ben Carson[/SIZE] –Virgil

[SIZE=9.5pt]Carson is worth so much more and early on he could have been Rick Steamboat or something but lately he is just sucking up to Donald that this is really all that is left of him[/SIZE]
 

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[SIZE=9.5pt]Rick Perry- Hacksaw Jim Dugan[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=9.5pt]George W. Bush- Macho Man[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=9.5pt]Jeb! – Leaping Lanny Poffo[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=9.5pt]no comment needed[/SIZE]

 

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[SIZE=9.5pt]Rubio- Ricky Steamboat[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=9.5pt]Howard Finkel- Bill O’Reily[/SIZE]

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CBusAlex said:
bolzano said:
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bolzano said:
If he goes into the convention with the most votes or delegates and doesn't win the nomination, there's no doubt in my mind that he will run as an independent. If that happens, the Republicans will lose the election, for sure.
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If he goes into the convention with the most votes or delegates and doesn't win the nomination, there's no doubt in my mind that he will run as an independent. If that happens, the Republicans will lose the election, for sure.
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If he goes into the convention with the most votes or delegates and doesn't win the nomination, there's no doubt in my mind that he will run as an independent. If that happens, the Republicans will lose the election, for sure.
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If he goes into the convention with the most votes or delegates and doesn't win the nomination, there's no doubt in my mind that he will run as an independent. If that happens, the Republicans will lose the election, for sure.
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And?

Ok, off you go then, Don. Better to lose their election than lose their soul.

The GOP should have ostracized Trump last summer and never let him in the debates. They should have sent him to Pat Buchananland circa 2000. Which by the way was the last time Trump ran for president, in the Reform Party 2000. Let him do that again.

 
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bolzano said:
Latest CNN/ ORC poll in SC has Trump in a commanding lead- Trump 38, Cruz 22, Rubio 14, Jeb 10, Carson 6, Kasich 4.
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This is disappointing for Kasich as the other poll referenced earlier had him surging 

 
Righetti said:
Jeb! WTF
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State Senator Knox endorses Donald Trump. Remember him? He's the one, speaking of Nikki Haley in 2010 said, "We've already got a ******* in Washington, we don't need one leading South Carolina!" 

Trump has welcomed his endorsement. (Of course.) 

 
timschochet said:
Ben Carson has said that any practicing  Muslim American who embraces American values would have to be schizophrenic. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-carson-muslims-schizophrenic_us_56c35c6ae4b0b40245c80190
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There were a lot of nutjobs on the GOP side, some still very active but Carson to me has had the most WTF did he just say moments of them all. He also at times has some great points or observations but a ase can be made for his actual sanity.

 
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