Ramsay Hunt Experience
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Wow, Saul Alinsky references. Feels very 2007. Maybe we should be bring back "Fergalicious" too.
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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)
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lod01
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Smack Tripper
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Obama throwing Trump red meat today with the plans to close Gitmo
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3C's
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Seems Bump has issues with lying too.bolzano said:
Even the left leaning WaPo has come to Cruz's defense.
Ted Cruz is not running a dirty campaign, despite what Donald Trump and Marco Rubio would argue. But that idea just cost Cruz’s spokesman, Rick Tyler, his job.
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First, his opponents are more than willing to make a big deal out of these not-very-big issues because it serves their own political goals to do so. Trump plays them up because he wants people to think that maybe he won Iowa, which he didn’t. Carson plays them up because he wants people to think that he’s actually a good candidate, which he isn’t
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Why? That brings us to the second point: The repetition of the accusation that he’s playing dirty by his opponents and their supporters and some in the media puts his campaign under much greater scrutiny than his opponents. Cruz is now seen as a dirty campaigner, so he has to meet a higher bar than Trump or Carson. Marco Rubio sent an email to voters in South Carolina telling them to look out for dirty tricks from Cruz — a way of getting them to consider anything from Cruz skeptically. This is how politics works; campaigns try to frame one another as low-energy or a “chaos candidate” or whatever, and sometimes it sticks (as in the first example there). But this is what Cruz has been saddled with.
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Again, Tyler’s exit won’t solve Cruz’s perception problem. It’s now baked-in. All he can do is ensure that his relationship with his core base of support holds up — and that nothing else offering even a whiff of untowardness happens. With opponents willing to transform Kansas into Everest, though, that’s going to be nearly impossible.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/22/ted-cruz-isnt-running-a-dirty-campaign-but-that-perception-just-cost-a-staffer-his-job/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/10/fact-check-the-washington-posts-philip-bump-has-a-credibility-problem/
http://thefederalist.com/2015/05/13/why-is-the-washington-posts-philip-bump-lying-to-readers-about-amtrak/
About Ted and lies. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/01/fox_news_is_getting_really_good_at_spotting_ted_cruz_s_lies.html
Mister CIA
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Have we determined what the battery life is in the Rubio? Seems that would be an important consideration for would-be voters.
culdeus
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Caught some fox news over lunch these last few days, some granted with volume off or inaudible, so bear with me. Why are they so in the bag for anyone but Trump? Don't they stand to benefit more than anyone with Trump as the front runner? He must bring in the best ratings ever. If he gets the nomination how quickly will the pivot be towards Trump after all this?
Chadstroma
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SIDA!
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Fox News (i.e. Murdoch) is for open borders and supports the corporatist/globalist wing of the party. Fox has just been able to hide it for a long time by throwing other red meat out on the table to distract people.
Ministry of Pain
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When I saw that I thought...skip out on Scalia's funeral but want to appoint the guy replacing him, next you are closing Gitmo...what next? Executive orders demanding all Americans house at least 1 Syrian refugee? The arrogance on that side is stifling right now. I guess losing the mid term elections despite a popular President didn't send the message. I'm not sure they care anyways, much more concerned in trying to be right.
SIDA!
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Who needs a majority in Congress when the other team gives you what you want or just rolls over and lets you do what you want to do?
Ministry of Pain
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RBM
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The Commish
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This is what bothers me most about Cruz and Rubio. They don't see that Trump is the one they should be going after and I'm not sure it could be more clear. Huge mistake and error in judgment for both of them. Makes me wonder about their abilities to analyze......well anything.bolzano said:
Chadstroma
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Man- if it wasn't for Trump being an actual possible nominee, I would be cheering Soviet Sanders on. The GOP could win with pretty much almost anyone against him and it would severely set back the Democratic party for years to come. With Trump though- I don't want to be in a nightmare of having either Sanders or Trump in the White House.
The General
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Trump is losing to Sanders in national polls he's beating Hillary.
Can the GOP close up shop once Trump officially wins their nom? TIA.
Encyclopedia Brown
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Is there a reason why the Democratic primary was called in the early afternoon on Saturday, but tonight not until seven o'clock?
NorvilleBarnes
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Not to mention most of the others guys who weren't "drafting" behind Trump are now out ofthe race.
NorvilleBarnes
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The General
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How are the blowhard Hannity and Rush types taking that their party has been crushed by a poser like Trump?
SaintsInDome2006
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The General
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SIDA!
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It has been a remarkable thing. Been one of the most interesting/fascinating political periods of my life time. I tend to believe it will be the craziest election cycle of our life time.
SIDA!
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It is fair to say that he beat me to the schtick. In terms of putting forth serious political analysis and addressing the climate of the GOP base and what was going on there and why...no.
The General
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Johnnymac
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Definitely agree with you on this. I can't wait until election night to see so many people's heads explode with anger, disbelief, or whatever term is appropriate.
SaintsInDome2006
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mr roboto
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SIDA even though at times I've been indignant, dismissive or downright rude I really do appreciate your openness to your reasoning for supporting the Donald.
2 honest questions...
1. Do you really want Trump to be the next president?
2. What would a Trump presidency accomplish that none of the others would do?
2 honest questions...
1. Do you really want Trump to be the next president?
2. What would a Trump presidency accomplish that none of the others would do?
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Since it's starting so late, anyone know when the results should start coming in?
RBM
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Hannity likes Trump a lot. In surprising news I never liked Rush so I don't follow him.
RBM
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SIDA!
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GB!Um...tough questions to answer. I will be as real as I can be here. No schtick.
I don't really want Trump to be my next president. But, I will enthusiastically vote for him. Several months ago, I expressed the notion that I felt we as a country deserved better. That we could do better. As much as I enjoy the pure entertainment value and the schtick of Trump and all that...I would like to see the Office of the President be a little above some of that. I am not opposed to a little down home populist fire and brimstone, mind you. But even Trump can make me wince at times.
In an ideal world...he would never be on my draftboard.
But, I don't live in an ideal world. I live in the real one. There are really only two choices for me...a bitter, pissed off Republican who wants to see the guts of the party ripped out and the still momentarily "breathing" carcass curb stomped. Trump or Cruz.
And I don't like Cruz. I think he is a smarmy, weasel that fits the profile of many GOPers I have known over the years who thirst for political power for the sake of political power. Positionally, I agree with Cruz probably more than any other candidate. But I can't listening to him. I can't stand the fact that he strikes me as a creeper or a phony. And I don't really think he is a phony on conservative issues...he just strikes me as that calculated Machiavellian type.
Now...I realize that as I type that last paragraph about Cruz that many anti-Trumpers will see parallels between what I said about Cruz and what they see in Trump. I get it. But, here is the stark difference between the two in my eyes.
I don't see Cruz as being nationally viable. I think he will get crushed by the Dems. So...where does that leave me as a GOP rebel seeking a coup d'eta? It leaves me with a guy who will run on many of the positions I hold dear...who will get his ### handed to him because I see him as a fallible candidate...and then I have to deal with the GOP establishment hammering home their rhetoric about how we can't win with conservative candidates or candidates who are tough on immigration, etc. And my ultimate fear is that they will success in using the institutional advantages of the establishment to hammer home that message with GOP voters and then it is all over. The GOP will never ever be that party I thought it was supposed to be when I joined up in my youth.
If Trump get the nomination and loses. It doesn't have the same effect. Trump winning the nomination, in my opinion, destroys that narrative. How do you spin a moderate guy who is the WORST standard bearer for conservatism winning the nomination? I mean...the guy shouldn't be sniffing 5% in the polls if the GOP were healthy in my opinion.
I view a Trump candidacy as the ultimate repudiation of the GOP betrayals. I get to stick the knife right in their chest and hopefully watch them expire.
The second question would take a little more time to flesh out and this is already getting to the tl;dr stage for some of the folks here. So, I am going to focus on a very simplistic example of something that is important to me.
I grew up in some rough areas as a kid. I was a lower class white kid living in urban/minority neighborhoods. And when you grow up in this world you learn that there are certain rules of the street. And most of it centers around respect. You don't need to be the biggest and baddest dude on the block to survive. You just don't need to be weak.
There are consequences for the things you say and do.
I feel like our country is weak now. And I am not trying to parrot a similar refrain like Trumps "make America great again."
But, he hits a nerve. I grew up thinking America was the baddest mother####er on the block. And while there were things that we did wrong as we weren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination...we were the baddest mother####ers on the block. If you disrespected us there were consequences. Now we are the weak little ##### who lets others push them around or we are that punk who talks with a big mouth and then #####es out in the moment of truth.
I realize that what I am typing is good fodder for those anti-Trumpers who will want to paint me as the neanderthal, or the militaristic superpatriot that the leftist in academia warned your mom about...or that they will try to simplify and boil down this statment as being the umbrella for my support. This is just one issue for brevity sake.
We used to have some swagger. Some moxie. Now we have become a door mat. And it pisses me off.
Trump wasn't born in a lower class family like I was. But, he knows the game as well as anyone. He just plays it in a fancy billion dollar stadium whereas I was playing on the weed and litter filled sand lot.
I think so many lefties are so naive when it comes to the world and their leaders. I think most leaders in other countries play by the same rules that governed how I behaved on the street growing up.
Encyclopedia Brown
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Hannity loves him. He can't stop talking about the guy. Rush is close personal friends with the president of Fox News, and out of deference to that friendship has been fairly quiet about offering support to Trump.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Starting to see Rubio memes that he's ineligible because his parents were Cuban and not naturalized until years after he was born.
timschochet
Footballguy
You know SIDA I agree with you about that we used to have moxie, and we used to be a stronger nation, more respected. But it wasn't about being tougher, or being a bully the way Trump acts. It was about ingenuity, smarts, and generosity. What were our greatest post-war achievements? The Berlin Airlift. The Marshall Plan. The space program. The Civil Rights movement. Norman Borlaug, who fed the world. We were smarter, dammit. We were generous. And we beat back Communism and saved the world from starvation.
That's what we need to get back to. Trump, IMO, leads us in the wrong direction.
That's what we need to get back to. Trump, IMO, leads us in the wrong direction.
Mister CIA
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Got to believe that Republican strategists are drooling over the possibility of demonstrating how wealthy the Clintons have become on the heels of their political power, much like the Putins of the world, and other despots and banana republic chiefs. Looking forward to the "this is Peggy" guy cashing in on political ad pimping "speaking fees."
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SIDA!
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Double voting. No ID. Running out of ballots.
SaintsInDome2006
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Eh never mind I see it on Twitter. Ballot envelopes getting shoved under tables yikes.
timschochet
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Tell us some Louisiana election stories, Saints. These guys are amateurs, right?SaintsInDome2006 said:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Hm, well here's one - a local tv station looked up LA election law one time, brought along a candidate who had lost in a race, went to the warehouse, cracked open one of the machines, and two out of three votes for the candidate went to someone else. That happened. On tv.
Something weird happened in 2008 with McCain and Huckabee too, whoever won the vote count well the other guy got the delegates.
Sure lotsa stories. Probably have a few in Orange County if you bother to look in your backyard.
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