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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

So, comparing him to leaders in Africa is now what you are left with?

Seriously hope every bit of this is just schtick...if not, I pity you.

 
JerseyToughGuys said:
what's the other side of some of the points Oliver made?
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Ministry of Pain said:
-Trump is a back mole of America...not sure that's a real fact but it is funny.

-The Rubio water bottle is again Trump showmanship and he is wooing crowds with it. Not any of you, but trump is wooing others to the tune of 15,000-20,000 at his KKK rallies. Oliver is even laughing, let's get real here.

-He makes a big deal of the self funding. Trump is a business man so if he finds a way to pay himself back the loans, seems like he is smarter than the rest of us in this department. People need not like the Trump brand, I don't own anything made by Trump but I am very aware of the brand and it is everywhere. Especially right now.

-The moment where he is mocking Trump about the little old ladies sending $7.59...that's actually a cute story for many Trump supporters and he is kind of saying he has grass roots movement which he kind of does right now.

-I'm listening and skimming looking for the main topics but there is an awful lot of "tabloid tattletale" stuff in there. Great TV and fun to watch but a lot of it is how you frame the story. The best punches Oliver lands IMO are the Trump projects that did not get off the ground.

***I did not know Trump lends his name only at times to these buildings. I was under the impression he builds them all. His name down here in Florida is all over the beaches and golf courses, didn't seem hard to think he was worth $10 Billion but now...

Oliver filled up 20 minutes with a lot of clips showing Trump being an idiot and then old clips or got'cha moments, just don't think it will impact most voters. Folks watching his show likely hate Trump to begin with.
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What do you think about the whole idea that Trump is selling his brand (quite successfully so far) and a lot of it is smoke and mirrors?

Let's just hope the Trump presidency does a little better than Trump Steaks.

 
JerseyToughGuys said:
What do you think about the whole idea that Trump is selling his brand (quite successfully so far) and a lot of it is smoke and mirrors?

Let's just hope the Trump presidency does a little better than Trump Steaks.
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I agree with you on some of that. Even if not the nominee he made a wise business decision. 

Smoke and Mirrors is a legit gripe. Like David Copperfield, Trump's next rally should be making Trump Tower disappear in New York. 

 
Chadstroma said:
We are witnessing the death of the GOP or at least, it is complete alternation. I don't see how there will not be a party split.
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Trump tried to start a reform party in the past. This is the reform party, I think that the far right are smart enough to know it is over and they will join the moderates and reform the Republican party as the moderates they are meant to be. 

 
Loan Sharks said:
Trump tried to start a reform party in the past. This is the reform party, I think that the far right are smart enough to know it is over and they will join the moderates and reform the Republican party as the moderates they are meant to be. 
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Trump is the Know Nothing Party resurrected.

 
Just got back from lunch and voting for Kasich.  Not gonna make the threshold for delegates here and likely will finish dead last.  

 
Chadstroma said:
Trump is the Know Nothing Party resurrected.
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That's why Conservatives need to stick together and distance themselves from him. He is every negative stereotype that the left has put on Conservatives, yet he isn't one. That message needs to be made clear.

 
One question that entered my mind, let's say Trump is the nominee and someone like a Rick Perry runs 3rd party like has been threatened.  Does that then embolden Michael Bloomberg even more?  I don't see a path for him to win in a 3 man race, but since the right would then be splintered, that could change the calculus.

 
Shula-holic said:
One question that entered my mind, let's say Trump is the nominee and someone like a Rick Perry runs 3rd party like has been threatened.  Does that then embolden Michael Bloomberg even more?  I don't see a path for him to win in a 3 man race, but since the right would then be splintered, that could change the calculus.
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Bloomberg may be able to peal some votes from Hillary but what would really be needed is someone like Soviet Sanders running the general- something that pulls votes from the left rather than center and right of center. Otherwise, Hillary waltzes right into the White House even though she is a remarkably horrible and flawed candidate that in sane times would be easily defeated.

 
jamny said:
That's why Conservatives need to stick together and distance themselves from him. He is every negative stereotype that the left has put on Conservatives, yet he isn't one. That message needs to be made clear.
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We can discern between you and Drumpf/Drumf supporters. Even though I still think conservative social values are nothing short of deplorable, I still respect the fact that you won't toe the "new" party line and relinquish your core principles. Your party is ####ed though and I think you may be in denial about the entire situation.

 
SameSongNDance said:
We can discern between you and Drumpf/Drumf supporters. Even though I still think conservative social values are nothing short of deplorable, I still respect the fact that you won't toe the "new" party line and relinquish your core principles. Your party is ####ed though and I think you may be in denial about the entire situation.
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I think, in the long run, the whole Trump fiasco will be good for the Republican party. Seeing that you can win without strictly sticking to some of the outdated social policies will go a long way to showing the way to a more inclusive party.

 
SameSongNDance said:
We can discern between you and Drumpf/Drumf supporters. Even though I still think conservative social values are nothing short of deplorable, I still respect the fact that you won't toe the "new" party line and relinquish your core principles. Your party is ####ed though and I think you may be in denial about the entire situation.
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IMO, there is a contingent of the Republican Party that is deplorable, particularly those who want to limit individual rights and freedom.  There are others whom I believe are very steadfast on protecting liberties and simply approach it from a different angle than the demos, and which is still coherent, humane, and ultimately wanting people to live prosperous, enriched lives in this great country of ours.  Democrats are no different--some what to restrict individual freedoms, whereas others want to empower individual rights.

And then there is Trump and his minions of small-minded, xenophobic, racists who are enamored by the reality tv world, have vanquished all critical reasoning skills, and bought into this fairy tale hook, line, and sinker.  They are the same people who would have voted for Charlie Sheen for president during his manic, drugged out phase because that confidence, man, that's what we need in this country...confidence.  #Winning!  

So, I respect the conservative republicans who are true to their core principles, hold the office of president to a highest standard, and are going to just grind through this wretched episode of American politics because the process is more important than the most immediate outcome.

 
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Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson is throwing an election night party in Baltimore.

Carson will host the party as returns come in after Super Tuesday voting in 12 states. The party is being held at The Grand on Charles Street.
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I kind of want to go to this, because I can't imagine a more compellingly awful party. Unfortunately, I have something that lasts until about 7:30, so by the time I get there, it will probably just be an empty ballroom.

 
cobalt_27 said:
IMO, there is a contingent of the Republican Party that is deplorable, particularly those who want to limit individual rights and freedom.  There are others whom I believe are very steadfast on protecting liberties and simply approach it from a different angle than the demos, and which is still coherent, humane, and ultimately wanting people to live prosperous, enriched lives in this great country of ours.  Democrats are no different--some what to restrict individual freedoms, whereas others want to empower individual rights.

And then there is Trump and his minions of small-minded, xenophobic, racists who are enamored by the reality tv world, have vanquished all critical reasoning skills, and bought into this fairy tale hook, line, and sinker.  They are the same people who would have voted for Charlie Sheen for president during his manic, drugged out phase because that confidence, man, that's what we need in this country...confidence.  #Winning!  

So, I respect the conservative republicans who are true to their core principles, hold the office of president to a highest standard, and are going to just grind through this wretched episode of American politics because the process is more important than the most immediate outcome.
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Well said. Other than John Kasich....I can't vote for anyone else in the GOP.

It's a sad state of affairs for the GOP. Just sad. Freaking Donald Trump.....the horror.

 
cobalt_27 said:
IMO, there is a contingent of the Republican Party that is deplorable, particularly those who want to limit individual rights and freedom.  There are others whom I believe are very steadfast on protecting liberties and simply approach it from a different angle than the demos, and which is still coherent, humane, and ultimately wanting people to live prosperous, enriched lives in this great country of ours.  Democrats are no different--some what to restrict individual freedoms, whereas others want to empower individual rights.

And then there is Trump and his minions of small-minded, xenophobic, racists who are enamored by the reality tv world, have vanquished all critical reasoning skills, and bought into this fairy tale hook, line, and sinker.  They are the same people who would have voted for Charlie Sheen for president during his manic, drugged out phase because that confidence, man, that's what we need in this country...confidence.  #Winning!  

So, I respect the conservative republicans who are true to their core principles, hold the office of president to a highest standard, and are going to just grind through this wretched episode of American politics because the process is more important than the most immediate outcome.
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Where's that part of the Republican party? I've not seen them in a long time. Unless you are talking only about the Pauls. 

Because all I've seen lately are the Patriot Act loving Republicans. Lindsey Graham and Chris Christie - two prominent, mainstream Republicans - think Rand Paul makes the country weaker and puts us at risk.

 
Michael Grunwald from Politico just went on a tweet storm that I think was pretty accurate. These were all in tweets, but I formatted them easier.

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In recent years, I've taken flack for criticizing the Obama-era GOP. Now that some Republicans are echoing me, I have a few thoughts. My basic critique of the GOP was that it wasn't on the level. It wasn't about conservatism. It was about politics and power. Some of this is really familiar stuff. Pushing gigantic tax cuts and clamoring for military spending while raging about deficits, etc. Some of this was the decision by GOP leaders to oppose everything Obama did before he even took office. It all made them so brazen. They declared war on Obama's crazy socialist $787B Porkulus, but voted for a nearly identical $715B stimulus. 

The obvious example was the Republican war on Obama's evil leftist government takeover that happened to be modeled on Romneycare. This happened all the time. Bush's bipartisan phaseout of inefficient incandescents became Obama's communist grab of your light bulbs. 

This was smart politics. McConnell explained why: The public looks at DC warfare and sees that Obama broke his post-partisan promises.But there's no principle involved. In 2009, almost every R voted against Obama's small business tax cuts. That's Republican apple pie. I'm not a foreign policy expert but my sense is it's the same story there. Rs won't even authorize Obama's war against ISIS. Sometimes reflexive opposition has led the party into crazytown. McCain ran on cap-and-trade, but now, yeesh. Sometimes reflexive opposition is just weird. Think Romney blasting Obama for refusing to touch entitlements...and for cutting Medicare.

The point is, the principled rhetoric (limit government, reduce deficits, solve problems) became totally detached from the substance. Again, this hasn't stopped the Rs from taking back both houses of Congress and a lot of statehouses. It wasn't a dumb strategy. 

But then along comes Donald J. Trump. Trump isn't conservative. He doesn't care about policy. And conservatives wonder why that hasn't been disqualifying in the GOP primary. 

But the GOP hasn't been consistently conservative over the last eight years. The GOP has been consistently anti-Obama. The best example is probably Common Core/education reform. Obama basically stole the GOP platform. So the GOP abandoned it. So now Republican voters are about to nominate the ultimate anti-Obama. Trump isn't nuanced or measured or technnocratic or no-drama or anything else that Obama is. He sure ain't no community organizer. He isn't a far-right Republican, but Obama isn't a far-left liberal. 

This is maybe a long-winded way of saying that Republicans have reaped what they sowed, but what they sowed wasn't right-wing policies. The GOP has strayed not only from its policy principles but from policy period. It's been all about branding and marketing and fighting. Now they might nominate someone who's awesome at branding and marketing and fighting. They're unhappy about it, and they should be.

 
The GOP has basically become the hick/white trash/crazy religious right party. As a representative of the moderate upper middle class centrist (like me)? Long gone. Just long gone. Nothing out there. Fiscal Republicans and Social Democrats are a rare breed it seems in politics now. 

The GOP really does not represent my moderate point of view anymore. Romney was a good candidate and I voted for him. He lost.

Bush was a disaster whom I voted for the first time (Gore was a tool IMO and screw his censoring wife).....but not the second time.

This is an utter #### show. You have the Democrats rolling out Sanders (seriously he should have run as a third party candidate) who is totally not a representative of the upper middle class at all. And Clinton who oozes pure BS. She is a fraud.

Bill Clinton was the last moderate conservative like democrat. Those were great times LOL.

 
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Some darn good pontificatin'...Martin Wolf, in the Financial Times...

“We are supposed to believe that Trump’s legion of ‘angry’ people are angry about wage stagnation. No, they are angry about all the things Republicans have told them to be angry about these past seven-and-a-half years”.

Mr Kagan is right, but does not go far enough. This is not about the last seven-and-a-half years. These attitudes were to be seen in the 1990s, with the impeachment of President Clinton. Indeed, they go back all the way to the party’s opportunistic response to the civil rights movement in the 1960s. Alas, they have become worse, not better, with time.

Why has this happened? The answer is that this is how a wealthy donor class, dedicated to the aims of slashing taxes and shrinking the state, obtained the footsoldiers and voters it required. This, then, is “pluto-populism”: the marriage of plutocracy with rightwing populism. Mr Trump embodies this union. But he has done so by partially dumping the free-market, low tax, shrunken government aims of the party establishment, to which his financially dependent rivals remain wedded. That gives him an apparently insuperable advantage. Trump is no conservative, elite conservatives complain. Precisely. That is also true of the party’s base.
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@whoknew good "article."  He's right.  I said the same thing a few dozen pages ago.

It's abundantly clear that by the end of the night tonight I will no longer be a Republican nor a member of the GOP.

 
Todem said:
The GOP has basically become the hick/white trash/crazy religious right party. As a representative of the moderate upper middle class centrist (like me)? Long gone. Just long gone. Nothing out there. Fiscal Republicans and Social Democrats are a rare breed it seems in politics now. 
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I don't believe this is accurate at all. If Ted Cruz won the nomination, then you could make this argument. But Donald Trump, despite making comments about "loving the Bible", is hardly a religious candidate. He certainly doesn't seem at all interesting in pushing any kind of social conservative agenda. 

 
I do NOT believe this is an end to the Republican party. Trump is a populist, and the one commonality of all populists is that they eventually fade as quickly as they rise. I do believe that this election will highlight the fading of the Republican party's ability to win presidential elections, but that was happening anyhow well before Trump stepped onto the stage. 

The one thing I would guess about Trump is that is anti-free trade and isolationist stands may remain as a dominant theme among grass roots Republicans. We'll see. 

 
lod01 said:
Trump is winning because the rest of them are the same ole #### that does nothing once they get elected. People are finally waking up to it....at least the smart people. Dumbasses vote to keep the same losers in power.
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Explain exactly how electing polarizing people will get things done.  Be specific if that's possible.

 
voted Kasich in Texas.

ive found it much more satisfying to vote in the Republican primary to try and keep the wingnuts out of the general.

i'm waiting in line and this women is trying to persuade me to vote for her friend for state Supreme court.  so i google him and find he has the endorsement of Kirk Cameron :lmao:

 
Shula-holic said:
Just got back from lunch and voting for Kasich.  Not gonna make the threshold for delegates here and likely will finish dead last.  
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Just finished doing the same.

 
joffer said:
voted Kasich in Texas.

ive found it much more satisfying to vote in the Republican primary to try and keep the wingnuts out of the general.

i'm waiting in line and this women is trying to persuade me to vote for her friend for state Supreme court.  so i google him and find he has the endorsement of Kirk Cameron :lmao:
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Sadly, this hasn't been very successful in Texas (see Cruz, Abbott, Patrick, and Paxton). Its pretty damn depressing.

 
bolzano said:
While Cruz is not where the Paulists are on the Patriot Act, he's certainly more pro-civil liberties than Rubio/ Trump. For example, Ted Cruz voted for the USA Freedom Act, which stopped bulk data collection, etc.
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He is definitely better on this issue than most Republicans. I give him credit for that. 

Sadly, though, his views on this issue are far out of the norm in the party.

 
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timschochet said:
I don't believe this is accurate at all. If Ted Cruz won the nomination, then you could make this argument. But Donald Trump, despite making comments about "loving the Bible", is hardly a religious candidate. He certainly doesn't seem at all interesting in pushing any kind of social conservative agenda. 
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For those of us that are fiscally conservative, socially liberal...it's about time.

 
culdeus said:
Lol at Trump being fiscally conservative.  He's even more fiscally liberal than Obama.
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Well, considering Hillary supported Obamacare and voted for a 2 trillion dollar war in Iraq.

Compared to Hillary he's a penny pincher.

Can you do any worse than Hillary, that is the question.  It certainly wouldn't be a Republican, maybe Bernie would be worse with his free everything for everybody policies.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
That's a stretch Snogger, I just cannot see what you see. The country is heavily leaning to GOP and I think Trump is going to bring some new faces to the party. 

The idea that Paul Ryan and the GOP lose control right now of the House and Senate...I don't think the country is swinging Liberal at the moment. Feels more like 2004 and a lot of fear mongering. 
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:lmao:

 
Chadstroma said:
Bloomberg may be able to peal some votes from Hillary but what would really be needed is someone like Soviet Sanders running the general- something that pulls votes from the left rather than center and right of center. Otherwise, Hillary waltzes right into the White House even though she is a remarkably horrible and flawed candidate that in sane times would be easily defeated.
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No way Bloomberg runs, now Romney on the other hand..,

 
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For a party that's won the popular vote one time in Blake Griffin's lifetime, maybe a little shakeup isn't a bad thing. 

 
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