Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (41 Viewers)

[RedmondLonghorn]

Bain and Romney's record is what it is.   Are you saying that Romney and Bain did not engage in leveraged buyouts?  

Trump, like Romney, inherited a great deal of money, but he also was able to build on it and his real estate vision of the mid to late 70's paved the way for New York's go-go 80's and revitalization.  

Shame on you for making me defend Trump but Romney is a hump and hack.

Demonizing LBOs while praising Trump, despite his reckless use of debt and abuse of imminent domain for private business deals is intellectually dishonest.

There is nothing inherently evil about LBOs. They are pure financial engineering and they can be a disaster, but they don't always end up that way.

I didn't vote for Romney, but if we are going to compare which man has actually accomplished more in his career and which one has higher character, the clear answer is Mitt.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Demonizing LBOs while praising Trump, despite his reckless use of debt and abuse of imminent domain for private business deals is intellectually dishonest.

There is nothing inherently evil about LBOs. They are pure financial engineering and they can be a disaster, but they don't always end up that way.

I didn't vote for Romney, but if we are going to compare which man has actually accomplished more in his career and which one has higher character, the clear answer is Mitt.

I never termed them evil, but I am saying its a fundamental mindset shift  where I would theorize they differ.  Trump, for his many flaws, has pursed expansion and growth that had a ripple effect.  I know the most prominent emminent domain case he was connected with ended with him not following through.   

From my perspective, that kind of tangible growth and development is far more relevant private sector experience to the kind of leadership an elected official needs than sending companies to scrap. That creates nothing but profits, which is a good skill set for the chief executive but bad skills for the commander in chief.  

As for answers, they were asked in 2012 and the answer was no for Mitt.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

So according to "Morning Joe" Rubio's approval rating in his own state is just 31% vs 55% disapproval?  Is that right? 

Hard to believe they're unhappy with the Senator that never showed up for the job they gave him.

 

[Statorama]

Im not sure which I find more odd.  That you think Trump is socially moderate/liberal or that he's fiscally moderate/conservative.

Trump is basically the sum of all of the comments sections of every political story on the web.  All over the place, shown to really only have a surface level of understanding, and they sure as heck have CAPS LOCK!!! when things aren't going their way.

There are a lot of things I like about Trump, and a lot of them are tied to his socially moderate stances (pro-choice, pro-gay, etc.).  But overall, one of the things that Trump supporters find so fascinating about him is that you can't put a traditional label on him.  Is he completely socially moderate?  Absolutely not.  But none of us are.  It's crazy to want politicians who fit into nice little lanes of being "only this" or "only that".  There's nothing about Trump that I find particularly conservative.  He's anti-gun (especially assault rifles), pro-big government (eminent domain anyone?), and takes a myriad of other non-conservative positions as well (he fully buys into the global warming narrative).

Shouting from the rooftops that America will be "great again" once we kick out all the brown people isn't a conservative position.  But it's a sweet pied-piper flute solo for so many brainwashed idiots that should just stand off to the side and let the adults handle this.

Now I'm not saying that all Trump supporters are with him only for that reason.  There are a lot of angry people out there that feel they don't have a voice.  They want to hit the reset button and burn the whole process back down and start over.  My pitchfork and torch is right by the door ready to join the mob, so I get the frustration. 

The only thing I can compare this whole Trump thing to is watching your buddy fall in love with the wrong girl.  Dude, you have 3 much better choices, all of which want you really bad.  Those 3 are all smart, level-headed, and sincere.  The kinds of girls you'd feel safe bringing to the family dinner table.  Sure, the crazy one is probably the wildcat in the sack, but she's also the same one that will super glue your John Henry to your stomach while you sleep because you flippantly said the TV weather girl looked cute earlier. 

In the end though, I vote for Trump all-day every-day over Hillary Clinton.

 

[HellToupee]

He helped build Bain Consulting. He was instrumental in building Bain Capital. Bain Capital invested in numerous early-stage companies, including Staples.

Meanwhile, Trump inherited a bundle and managed to (maybe) keep pace with inflation with its growth, bankrupting a whole slew of projects along the way. 

Dumb narrative. 

Speaking of Bain , bang up job with Sports Authority .

and you Trump narrative is a little silly and filled with grand hyperbole 

 

[Jeremy]

Hard to believe they're unhappy with the Senator that never showed up for the job they gave him.

Never showed up, apparently has no accomplishments to speak of, and is hated in his own state.  Is he a candidate for President just because he has a nice smile? 

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Never showed up, apparently has no accomplishments to speak of, and is hated in his own state.  Is he a candidate for President just because he has a nice smile? 

Establishment should have jumped on Kasich early. But oh no, he accepted the Obamacare Medicaid expansion for Ohio.

 

[elbowrm]

Bain and trump are in very similar businesses, buying or building companies with leverage (Bain) or properties with leverage (Trump), and selling them for more than they paid.  This doesn't always work out, resulting in bankruptcy for that business.  

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Speaking of Bain , bang up job with Sports Authority .

and you Trump narrative is a little silly and filled with grand hyperbole 

No, that is everything Trump has ever said, especially his claims of his own current net worth and that he built it from nothing but a small loan: Some Details

Bain Capital has had plenty of missteps. That happens in investing. I am not a huge fan of LBOs, but they don't deserve to be demonized the way some have either. 

Romney was instrumental in helping to build Bain Consulting and basically built Bain Capital. And Bain Capital didn't exclusively do LBOs and it isn't a vulture fund either. It invested in all sorts of deals. For instance, it was an early backer of Staples, which is now the dominant retailer in its category. 

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

Kasich reminds me a lot of Huntsman. . Nice guy.. can work with both sides to get things done.. but get completely ignored during the nomination run so neither ever gets the chance they deserve.. :(

Time for nolabel to become a legitimate 3rd party that we could vote for.

Huntsman and Kasich suffer from "boring" competence. Frankly, that is something I value in an executive, but American voters (and the media) have other ideas.

I was distressed to see Huntsman potentially endorsing Trump. I can't reconcile that with what I know about Huntsman. 

 

[snogger]

Huntsman and Kasich suffer from "boring" competence. Frankly, that is something I value in an executive, but American voters (and the media) have other ideas.

I was distressed to see Huntsman potentially endorsing Trump. I can't reconcile that with what I know about Huntsman. 

All candidates last night basically said the same thing .. If he is the nominee they'd vote for him as they are Republicans and would reluctantly vote for him solely because he is the Nominee..
 

 

[snogger]

I use to believe that after March 15th, IF Rubio didn't win in Florida, he'd drop out..
After last nights debate, and the speech earlier by Romney, I am beginning to believe that none of the remaining candidate will be dropping out.

I think they are going to go full press to deny Trump the needed delegates for the nomination, therefore leaving it to the convention to decide.
In order to do that, they need all the current candidates to stick it out so as to keep the delegates "split"..

Sure looks to be a    in the making.

Romney says that he will endorse one of the not-Trump candidates after March 15, i.e., the establishment will finally coalesce around one of them. Cruz will make a strong play for Florida, thereby allowing Trump to defeat Rubio. Kasich's win in Ohio (?) won't be enough to do anything except to slow Trump. Hence Romney/ GOPe will be forced to back Cruz.

“After March 15, I think you’ll see it narrow down to one or two contenders opposing Donald Trump and I intend to support one of them,” says Romney, former Republican presidential nominee.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-03-04/romney-says-he-will-back-one-of-trump-s-rivals-after-march-15

Romney says that he will endorse one of the not-Trump candidates after March 15, i.e., the establishment will finally coalesce around one of them. Cruz will make a strong play for Florida, thereby allowing Trump to defeat Rubio. Kasich's win in Ohio (?) won't be enough to do anything except to slow Trump. Hence Romney/ GOPe will be forced to back Cruz.

“After March 15, I think you’ll see it narrow down to one or two contenders opposing Donald Trump and I intend to support one of them,” says Romney, former Republican presidential nominee.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-03-04/romney-says-he-will-back-one-of-trump-s-rivals-after-march-15

If Rubio can't win Florida he does need to drop..

Not a lot of polling going on in Ohio right now, but the latest ones had Trump winning there also..

If so, Kasich would have no choice but to drop also, leaving it as a Trump vs. Cruz to the convention.

 

[Todem]

If Rubio can't win Florida he does need to drop..

Not a lot of polling going on in Ohio right now, but the latest ones had Trump winning there also..

If so, Kasich would have no choice but to drop also, leaving it as a Trump vs. Cruz to the convention.

A Clinton presidency all but assured (assuming she is not tried and convicted for national security breech).

This is just so sad. Good lord.

 

[snogger]

If Rubio can't win Florida he does need to drop..

Not a lot of polling going on in Ohio right now, but the latest ones had Trump winning there also..

If so, Kasich would have no choice but to drop also, leaving it as a Trump vs. Cruz to the convention.

A Clinton presidency all but assured (assuming she is not tried and convicted for national security breech).

This is just so sad. Good lord.

I mentioned this elsewhere.. This could end up being a convention fight for both sides..
If Hillary wins enough Delegates to be the Nominee and THEN gets indicted she'd be out..
Sounds like the Party would not automatically assign those delegates over to Bernie meaning the door is still slightly open for Biden, or someone else to step in and get the nomination.

The drama that would ensue if both parties had brokered conventions would be beyond anything any of us have seen before

 

[The Commish]

I mentioned this elsewhere.. This could end up being a convention fight for both sides..
If Hillary wins enough Delegates to be the Nominee and THEN gets indicted she'd be out..
Sounds like the Party would not automatically assign those delegates over to Bernie meaning the door is still slightly open for Biden, or someone else to step in and get the nomination.

The drama that would ensue if both parties had brokered conventions would be beyond anything any of us have seen before

I'm filing a democratic revolt in the "believe it when I see it" folder.  The party establishment loves her.  They want SSDD going forward.  She's their best path to accomplishing that.

 

[Chadstroma]

It would be nice to see Sanders destroy the Democratic party like how Trump is destroying the Republican party. Two guys that switched to the party to run for President in that party end up destroying that party. Brings back balance to the force.

 

[timschochet]

It would be nice to see Sanders destroy the Democratic party like how Trump is destroying the Republican party. Two guys that switched to the party to run for President in that party end up destroying that party. Brings back balance to the force.

It might be nice for YOU. 

But it's not happening. Hillary will win; she won't be indicted. Bernie will endorse her happily without hesitation and will campaign for her. The vast majority of Bernie supporters will switch to the Hillary. 

The Democratic Convention will be, compared to the Republican Convention, a smooth piece of machinery featuring speeches by Hillary, her running mate (I'm rooting for Corey Booker), Bill, Barack Obama, Michelle, Bernie, and Liz Warren. 

 

[CBusAlex]

A Clinton presidency all but assured (assuming she is not tried and convicted for national security breech).

Pretty sure Clinton could still win that election from prison.

 

[squistion]

Jennifer Epstein ‏@jeneps 1h1 hour ago

The most retweeted tweet of #gopdebate came from @HillaryClinton. And her 9 tweets netted 10 million impressions. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-03-04/twitter-says-clinton-tweets-reach-10-million-as-debate-averages-14-5-million-viewers …

 

[Chadstroma]

It might be nice for YOU. 

But it's not happening. Hillary will win; she won't be indicted. Bernie will endorse her happily without hesitation and will campaign for her. The vast majority of Bernie supporters will switch to the Hillary. 

The Democratic Convention will be, compared to the Republican Convention, a smooth piece of machinery featuring speeches by Hillary, her running mate (I'm rooting for Corey Booker), Bill, Barack Obama, Michelle, Bernie, and Liz Warren. 

Anything is smooth compared to the GOP right now.

That said, there are a few things that I think you are taking for granted. First, Bernie really has no loyalty to the Democratic party. He half-heartedly endorsed Obama previously. I would be willing to say it is likely he will give a half hearted endorsement for Hillary but I think you could also see him not.

I think the majority of his supporters will just not vote. They aren't the voting types to begin with and Hillary is not very inspiring to anyone other than you. For Hillary's running mate, I think Warren would be her best chance to shore up the party for her and get them to vote. In this election, that is all she is going to need to do as Trump is doing all the other work for her.

 

[cubd8]

Anything is smooth compared to the GOP right now.

That said, there are a few things that I think you are taking for granted. First, Bernie really has no loyalty to the Democratic party. He half-heartedly endorsed Obama previously. I would be willing to say it is likely he will give a half hearted endorsement for Hillary but I think you could also see him not.

I think the majority of his supporters will just not vote. They aren't the voting types to begin with and Hillary is not very inspiring to anyone other than you. For Hillary's running mate, I think Warren would be her best chance to shore up the party for her and get them to vote. In this election, that is all she is going to need to do as Trump is doing all the other work for her.

What % of time does Bernie Sanders vote with Democrats? 

 

[Chadstroma]

What % of time does Bernie Sanders vote with Democrats? 

What does that matter? He literally was never a Democrat until recently to enter the primary. He is on record as to not caring about the Democratic party. Why would that change anything that someone far left voting with the left leaning party as opposed to voting with the right leaning party?

 

[hagmania]

Carson tried to tell everyone weeks ago but no one would listen

 

[Righetti]

Another night, another debate and I'm not sure we're any better off having sat through that last night

Here are some takeaways

The most memorable parts

• Rubio looked like Richard Nixon in that debate with Kennedy, he was a sweaty sick disgusting mess.   This country needs somebody great, not somebody who looks like they are about to puke.. he is disgusting
  
• Trump is hung like a horse according to…. Trump
  
• -Rubio is hung like a pimple according to…. Trump
  
• Cruz had a tooth pop out of his mouth in the middle of the debate like he is some kind of meth addict but didn't miss a beat on his rah rah I love my constitution schtick 
  

their look, or lack thereof

• Kasich could really use some lifts in his shoes, never before has the only adult in the room looked so small..even compared to Rubio
  
• Rubio's hairline has receded exponentially as the primary season has gone on.. You could literally project a movie on his forehead right now, not just any movie but an IMAX things
  
• Speaking of haircuts, Kasich probably gets his cut at the mall
  
• Trump doesn't need to get his cut
  
• Cruz probably uses one of those suction cup things to cut his hair and then puts the vacuum on little teddy while choking himself 
  

as as for the substance 

• Not exactly sure why Kasich mentioned that the Cleveland mayor was black.. is this the equivalent of telling people you are not a racist because you have a black friend?
  
• Trump looked tired, even the great Trumponator seems like he has lost a little fire.. maybe he warmed himself up with Melanie before the night started, who knows but they always tell athletes to refrain from that before a big event
  
• It was odd that after their last battle of the Alamo, Cruz and Rubio completely avoided each other, I don't recall a single interaction between the two
  
• Ben Carson really got no time at all, I don't even remember him speaking once
  
• [SIZE=7pt] [/SIZE]Megyn Kelly has dirty fantasies about Trump and his comments about the size of his VP choice only got her more hot and bothered
  
• The Gotcha moment with Trump with his flipflops was very weak and he worked that beautifully..    I am sure that Roger Ailes has instructed the entire crew that they have ditched the Rubio wagon and are now all on the Trump express..
  
•  Kasich really can't speak without his arms flailing around, you can see he tries to control it early on but at some point he is karate chopping all around him…If he does get a chance Kasich will balance the budget, the first thing he could do if he ever did become president would get rid of the sign-language guy who hangs with the president and just karate chop his own way through it..
  
•  I wonder if between Trump's Yoga ability and his incredible manhood if he could literally suck his own..Let's leave it at that..
  

Here is our prediction in Michigan

Trump  32%

Kasich  31%

Rubio   15%

Cruz      11%

Carson   8%

Barry Sanders  2%

Michael Moore 1%

 

[trogg78]

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[timschochet]

Finally got to watch the debate last night. One real head scratcher for me: 

1. Senator Rubio is asked about Flint, Michigan. After complaining that the Democrats are trying to politicize the issue, he says that this is a situation that needs a combined state, local, and federal effort to fix. Senator Cruz nods in affirmation. 

2. About 30 minutes later, when discussing how to reduce the annual deficit, Senator Cruz proposes doing away with the Environmental Protection Agency. Senator Rubio nods in affirmation. 

This is a disconnect that I often hear from Republicans. You can't have it both ways. You say that you want the federal government to help out in situations like Flint and then you propose shutting down the organization that would be doing the helping. (Not to mention that all of the cuts that Cruz, Trump, and Rubio listed- the EPA, the Department of Education, etc.- would have very little impact on annual spending anyhow. 

 

[Rove!]

Huntsman and Kasich suffer from "boring" competence. Frankly, that is something I value in an executive, but American voters (and the media) have other ideas.

I was distressed to see Huntsman potentially endorsing Trump. I can't reconcile that with what I know about Huntsman. 

Kasich is far more qualified and experienced than Huntsman IMHO..ll

 

[SoBeDad]

Finally got to watch the debate last night. One real head scratcher for me: 

1. Senator Rubio is asked about Flint, Michigan. After complaining that the Democrats are trying to politicize the issue, he says that this is a situation that needs a combined state, local, and federal effort to fix. Senator Cruz nods in affirmation. 

2. About 30 minutes later, when discussing how to reduce the annual deficit, Senator Cruz proposes doing away with the Environmental Protection Agency. Senator Rubio nods in affirmation. 

This is a disconnect that I often hear from Republicans. You can't have it both ways. You say that you want the federal government to help out in situations like Flint and then you propose shutting down the organization that would be doing the helping. (Not to mention that all of the cuts that Cruz, Trump, and Rubio listed- the EPA, the Department of Education, etc.- would have very little impact on annual spending anyhow. 

The EPA was signed into action by executive order of none other than Richard Milhous Nixon.The first aim - clean the air. One of the next major aims - get rid of lead in paint and then eventually in gasoline. Not only is the EPA budget minuscule, but it has likely been cost-effective if you consider health savings. 

Many of the EPA critics are climate deniers who want to protect coal-related jobs. But clean alternatives will and are being created which will lead to job creation.

 

[Statorama]

 For Hillary's running mate, I think Warren would be her best chance to shore up the party for her and get them to vote.

And you wouldn't have to worry about their mensies

 

[jamny]

Romney is saying everything that needs to be said.

 

[cobalt_27]

And you wouldn't have to worry about their mensies

Dumb.

 

[Rustoleum]

Thanks Rand Paul and the KY GOP for disenfranchising me with this stupid caucus tomorrow. Not only has this not been publicized at all, but by having one location in the whole county (a 15-20 minute drive from my house) and only giving me a 6 hour window to participate (on a Saturday?)  you've pretty much insured I will vote for a different party in November not just for President, but for any and all state offices as well. 

The whole reason for this bull#### is because Rand Paul had no intentions of being a viable candidate and wanted to keep his name on the ballot for senate (can't be on same ballot for 2 offices). 

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

The weird thing about Romney is that back when he was running in the primaries all you heard was "Anyone But Romney". He should be the poster boy for not supporting your parties candidate.

 

[Ladsud]

Just got back from a bar here in the Detroit area, they were playing trivia with 102 players. Two teams had Trump based team names, they got cheers each time the team name was called out. Not sure sure if thats good for Trump or bad. Team names were....

I got my BS from Trump University

Trumps lil schlong 

 

[timschochet]

Bobby Jindal knows who to blame for Donald Trump: thanks Obama! 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/president-obama-created-donald-trump-1457048679

This is not an Onion article. Bobby Jindal is actually placing the blame for Trump's rise on Barack Obama being too level-headed and nuanced for the public. 

 

[The General]

Whoever fires this ### hole will get a thumbs up from me: LINK 

Seems like something all these guys will be tripping over themselves to bring up as they should.

Cliffnotes: A federal employee - main executive for T.V.A. is changing pension plans, not necessarily the end of the world to me. However, he is leaving his and his fellow top ########s supplemental retirement plans untouched. Oh yeah, the guy makes 6.4 million bucks per year. 

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Whoever fires this ### hole will get a thumbs up from me: LINK 

Seems like something all these guys will be tripping over themselves to bring up as they should.

Cliffnotes: A federal employee - main executive for T.V.A. is changing pension plans, not necessarily the end of the world to me. However, he is leaving his and his fellow top ########s supplemental retirement plans untouched. Oh yeah, the guy makes 6.4 million bucks per year. 

WTF is this?  I didn't even know TVA was a federal agency. 

 

[SameSongNDance]

Anything is smooth compared to the GOP right now.

That said, there are a few things that I think you are taking for granted. First, Bernie really has no loyalty to the Democratic party. He half-heartedly endorsed Obama previously. I would be willing to say it is likely he will give a half hearted endorsement for Hillary but I think you could also see him not.

I think the majority of his supporters will just not vote. They aren't the voting types to begin with and Hillary is not very inspiring to anyone other than you. For Hillary's running mate, I think Warren would be her best chance to shore up the party for her and get them to vote. In this election, that is all she is going to need to do as Trump is doing all the other work for her.

Didn't Obama campaign for Bernie back in 2012? Regardless, I'm a Bernie supporter and will vote for Hillary in a heartbeat. The mere though of living in a country run by future Biff Tannen is enough motivation for me.

 

[Glass Joe]

Huntsman and Kasich suffer from "boring" competence. Frankly, that is something I value in an executive, but American voters (and the media) have other ideas.

I was distressed to see Huntsman potentially endorsing Trump. I can't reconcile that with what I know about Huntsman. 

Competence? Kasich is only competent if you ignore the need to act responsibly when balancing the budget. Here's an article that touches on kasichs complete bull ####e methods for budgeting. 

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/02/25/hit-floods-and-budget-cuts-neville-vote-disappearing/80458300/

 

[The General]

Finally got to watch the debate last night. One real head scratcher for me: 

1. Senator Rubio is asked about Flint, Michigan. After complaining that the Democrats are trying to politicize the issue, he says that this is a situation that needs a combined state, local, and federal effort to fix. Senator Cruz nods in affirmation. 

I don't know what Cruz was nodding about. He spent 5 minutes shortly after this saying the Dems were to blame for all the problems in Michigan.

 

[3C's]

Bobby Jindal knows who to blame for Donald Trump: thanks Obama! 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/president-obama-created-donald-trump-1457048679

This is not an Onion article. Bobby Jindal is actually placing the blame for Trump's rise on Barack Obama being too level-headed and nuanced for the public. 

We built this

 

[[scooter]]

The weird thing about Romney is that back when he was running in the primaries all you heard was "Anyone But Romney". He should be the poster boy for not supporting your parties candidate.

This just shows how fractured the Republican party is. There are basically 3 equal factions of the party, and they are almost perfectly represented this year by Cruz (social and fiscal conservative faction), Rubio (mainstream faction) and Trump (wacko faction). The Trump/Cruz types ganged up to bash Romney in 2012, and the Rubio/Cruz types are ganging up to bash Trump in 2016.

This will all settle down if Trump picks a VP from one of the other two factions, but for the time being it's going to be a rugby scrum. Same thing happened to McCain until he placated the wackos by picking Palin.

 

[3C's]

And picking Palin killed any chance he might have had. Going to one extreme or the other is a losing proposition.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, and Maine voting today 

Looks like Trump expected to do well in Louisiana and Maine. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This just shows how fractured the Republican party is. There are basically 3 equal factions of the party, and they are almost perfectly represented this year by Cruz (social and fiscal conservative faction), Rubio (mainstream faction) and Trump (wacko faction). The Trump/Cruz types ganged up to bash Romney in 2012, and the Rubio/Cruz types are ganging up to bash Trump in 2016.

This will all settle down if Trump picks a VP from one of the other two factions, but for the time being it's going to be a rugby scrum. Same thing happened to McCain until he placated the wackos by picking Palin.

I think Christie, Giuliani, Christie, and  Gen. Michael Flynn are possibilities right now. Leading candidates after that and for his cabinet include: Huge People, Great People, and the Best People.

 

[mr roboto]

Trump has the best words and also people. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Christie's experience in NJ is probably a lesson learned for people still wanting a continuing career in GOP mainstream politics though.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Trump has the best words and also people. 

He's got all the words, everyone else should just give up.

 

[Chadstroma]

Bobby Jindal knows who to blame for Donald Trump: thanks Obama! 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/president-obama-created-donald-trump-1457048679

This is not an Onion article. Bobby Jindal is actually placing the blame for Trump's rise on Barack Obama being too level-headed and nuanced for the public. 

I wouldn't say Obama per se but make no mistake- Trump is the direct result of years of social justice/PC police. There are a number of people that are sick and tired of it. They are sick of how police have been made out to be criminals and criminals victims. They are sick of being corrected when they something about "illegal immigrants" to "undocumented migrants". They are just sick and tired of it and they are very angry. Anger makes people do dumb things. Dumb things like supporting someone who doesn't give a crap about the social justice/PC police and will say whatever he wants for President even though he is woefully unprepared and unfit for the Presidency. You can debate whether that it is right or wrong but it really is silly to try to deny that this is a direct result of the anger people on the right feel after years of the constant social justice/PC onslaught they feel they are under. I do not agree with their response but I can understand how they have been lead there.

 

[cubd8]

What does that matter? He literally was never a Democrat until recently to enter the primary. He is on record as to not caring about the Democratic party. Why would that change anything that someone far left voting with the left leaning party as opposed to voting with the right leaning party?

If he ends up voting for them all the time, he can call himself an Independent, etc. but he's just a far, far left Democrat.