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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

Poll averages from February to March show this to be the case.

Interesting tidbit.. Kasich is up on Clinton, on average, by 7.4% :eek: and that was before this last debate where many thought he had his best night.
Kasich is the most electable republican candidate by a country mile. Not crazy, and seems like he actually has integrity and cares about people. That would be highlighted even more against a dem nominee like Hillary, who tries so hard to be warm and caring, but still has the charisma of an eggplant.

So, fitting for the 2016 GOP that he's consistently placing last in the primaries.

 
Kasich is the most electable republican candidate by a country mile. Not crazy, and seems like he actually has integrity and cares about people. That would be highlighted even more against a dem nominee like Hillary, who tries so hard to be warm and caring, but still has the charisma of an eggplant.

So, fitting for the 2016 GOP that he's consistently placing last in the primaries.
A large part of the problem is the state of the media and society today. Insults and bombastic statements= news coverage= votes. In 50 years, I don't think people will see Trump as unique or an anomaly. I think he "reality TV" style celebrity candidates are very likely to become a regular thing because they have built in name value, built in audience, built in media coverage and they know how to control the media. 

 
The death of Nancy Reagan this morning will hopefully highlight what the Republican Party used to be about and what it's about now. I don't know what Nancy thought about Donald Trump, but I suspect she was horrified. I'm certain her husband would have been. 

 
The death of Nancy Reagan this morning will hopefully highlight what the Republican Party used to be about and what it's about now. I don't know what Nancy thought about Donald Trump, but I suspect she was horrified. I'm certain her husband would have been. 
I suspect she felt the same about the Clintons 

@SQUISTION

 
Am I the only one that finds the Hitler comparison tired and kind of insulting to the American people?

We have checks and balances in place to keep something like that from happening.

And I'd like to think we'd have long since impeached anyone that tries to forcefully implement that type of legislation.

Furthermore, I'm 100% certain our military would show the president the middle finger before they'd act out orders that even hinted at a Hitler-esque approach to a group of people.

Honestly, I lose respect for anyone that tries to draw this comparison as a way of fear mongering people into voting against Trump. And I despise Trump.

 
The death of Nancy Reagan this morning will hopefully highlight what the Republican Party used to be about and what it's about now. I don't know what Nancy thought about Donald Trump, but I suspect she was horrified. I'm certain her husband would have been. 
At least you kept this nonsense out of the Nancy thread. 

"Horrified" isn't the word I would use, could Timmy be any more dramatic? 

 
Am I the only one that finds the Hitler comparison tired and kind of insulting to the American people?

We have checks and balances in place to keep something like that from happening.

And I'd like to think we'd have long since impeached anyone that tries to forcefully implement that type of legislation.

Furthermore, I'm 100% certain our military would show the president the middle finger before they'd act out orders that even hinted at a Hitler-esque approach to a group of people.

Honestly, I lose respect for anyone that tries to draw this comparison as a way of fear mongering people into voting against Trump. And I despise Trump.


Well said. 

Trump is a lot of things, but he is not Hitler, and any kind on comparison to him not only is fear mongering, but it completely trivializes the Holocaust. 

 
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so in your mind coming up with new material is aping Carlin. That's rather odd. 
Link to where I said he was aping him?

He has in other pieces said he has modeled his life and work after him, and my point is, Carlin wouldn't be caught dead putting this something this joyless and devoid of insight out.  

I will say Louis is aping about a dozen columns that have come out since January, only more banal and laugh free.  

 
Well said. 

Trump is a lot of things, but he is not Hitler, and any kind on comparison to him not only is fear mongering, but it completely trivializes the Holocaust. 
I asked a woman I know what she thought about all of the comparisons of Trump to HItler and I thought she nailed it. 

"Whatever, when have the democrats not called the Republicans racists?" 

At this point the race card is the boy who cried wolf. 

 
At least you kept this nonsense out of the Nancy thread. 

"Horrified" isn't the word I would use, could Timmy be any more dramatic? 
It's not nonsense at all. Everything that Reagan was for (not demonizing the other side, not attacking fellow Republicans, free trade, a realistic view about illegal immigration, a realistic view about foreign policy, and above all, an optimistic vision of America) Trump is against. You couldn't find two people more opposite. 

 
I suspect she felt the same about the Clintons 

@SQUISTION
She didn't. She was always very complimentary of the Clintons and got along well with Hillary in particular. I learned this at the Reagan Library. She was a gracious lady, class all the way. Yet another reason Trump probably disgusted her. 

 
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Well said.

Trump is a lot of things, but he is not Hitler, and any kind on comparison to him not only is fear mongering, but it completely trivializes the Holocaust.
I'm technically half Jewish (I don't subscribe to a religion) and have two grandparents who survived the Holocaust (they have absolutely insane stories to tell). They were the only survivors of their families, the Nazis killed both of their mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers. My grandpa is getting up there in age but he's still cognizant of the world around him. We had a Trump rally on the other day and he drew the Nazi comparison. You want to tell him that because he was able to draw that comparison that he trivialized the Holocaust? 

 
I asked a woman I know what she thought about all of the comparisons of Trump to HItler and I thought she nailed it. 

"Whatever, when have the democrats not called the Republicans racists?" 

At this point the race card is the boy who cried wolf. 
Trump is not a Republican. 

 
Am I the only one that finds the Hitler comparison tired and kind of insulting to the American people?

We have checks and balances in place to keep something like that from happening.

And I'd like to think we'd have long since impeached anyone that tries to forcefully implement that type of legislation.

Furthermore, I'm 100% certain our military would show the president the middle finger before they'd act out orders that even hinted at a Hitler-esque approach to a group of people.

Honestly, I lose respect for anyone that tries to draw this comparison as a way of fear mongering people into voting against Trump. And I despise Trump.
These are all good points. Yet even so there are disturbing similarities, not even so much in Trump but in the people that support him. Personally I think the Mussolini comparison is more apt. 

But forget about Hitler- Donald Trump is akin to the modern white nationalist movements of Europe. That is disturbing enough. 

 
These are all good points. Yet even so there are disturbing similarities, not even so much in Trump but in the people that support him. Personally I think the Mussolini comparison is more apt. 

But forget about Hitler- Donald Trump is akin to the modern white nationalist movements of Europe. That is disturbing enough. 
Oh Christ.

 
I asked a woman I know what she thought about all of the comparisons of Trump to HItler and I thought she nailed it. 

"Whatever, when have the democrats not called the Republicans racists?" 

At this point the race card is the boy who cried wolf. 
I dunno...when have the Republicans not been racists? :hophead:

 
She didn't. She was always very complimentary of the Clintons and got along well with Hillary in particular. I learned this at the Reagan Library. She was a gracious lady, class all the way. Yet another reason Trump probably disgusted her. 
She was a classy lady. I guess she was thrilled by Bill having his #### sucked by an intern in the Oval Office 

 
Poll averages from February to March show this to be the case.

Interesting tidbit.. Kasich is up on Clinton, on average, by 7.4% :eek: and that was before this last debate where many thought he had his best night.
This is one thing Tim is right about. General election polling is meaningless until the two have been set and they're campaigning against each other. 
I agree.. Was just answering the post before that where they questioned that Cruz had a better chance vs. Clinton then Trump. :shrug:

 
Grant was a slaveowner but he was not nearly the racist that Lincoln was:

Lincoln: "There is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality."

Lincoln: "I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Lincoln: "I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races."

Lincoln: "Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man."

Lincoln and Grant for starters.
 
Grant was a slaveowner but he was not nearly the racist that Lincoln was:

Lincoln: "There is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality."

Lincoln: "I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Lincoln: "I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races."

Lincoln: "Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man."
They also fought to end slavery and advance Civil Rights. 

 
Link to where I said he was aping him?

He has in other pieces said he has modeled his life and work after him, and my point is, Carlin wouldn't be caught dead putting this something this joyless and devoid of insight out.  

I will say Louis is aping about a dozen columns that have come out since January, only more banal and laugh free.  
This is such an odd reason to dislike Louis ck's post. And it really amounts to "dance monkey, dance"

 
Guys, you're all misinterpreting the Kasich general-election numbers.  Once you get outside of people who follow politics very closely, the overwhelming majority of people have no ####### idea who John Kasich is. I do follow politics somewhat, and I would have to google him to remember the highlights of his political career.  I'm positive that I'm not alone on that.  So when you see a poll that asks people "If the election was held today, would you vote for Hillary Clinton or John Kasich?" you might as well have asked voters if they prefer Hillary to Hercules B. Wonderful or Max Power or some other random, made-up name that signifies only "somebody other than Hillary, and not that ####### with the weird hair, or that pedo guy."

In other words, those results tell you nothing about John Kasich.  They just tell you that people would love a genuine alternative to Hillary, which the Republican party seems determined not to give them.   

 
Grant was a slave owner? Is this John Belushi history? 


The only evidence that Union general (and later United States President) Ulysses S. Grant ever owned any slaves is a document he signed in 1859 that emancipated "my Negro man William" (i.e, William Jones), whom Grant stated in the document he had purchased from Frederick Dent (his father-in-law). Little is known about William Jones; as even Grant's biographers note, "exactly when and how Grant acquired ownership of a slave remain something of a mystery." There is no other evidence showing that Grant ever owned more than this one slave, much less "several." 

It is often stated that Grant's wife, Julia Boggs Dent, "owned four slaves," and Julia herself identified four "servants" whom she claimed "belonged" to her up until the end of 1862. However, those slaves had been purchased by Julia's father, Frederick F. Dent, and there is no record of his ever having transferred ownership of them to Julia — without such a transfer, neither Julia nor her husband Ulysses would have had legal authority to free them. 

From 1854 to 1859 Grant managed his father-in-law's farm, White Haven, where a number of slaves lived and worked. But again, those slaves belonged to Grant's father-in-law, so Grant himself had no legal authority to set them free. (Some of the slaves at White Haven eventually drifted off during the Civil War; any that remained were freed when Missouri's constitutional convention abolished slavery in January 1865.)
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Guys, you're all misinterpreting the Kasich general-election numbers.  Once you get outside of people who follow politics very closely, the overwhelming majority of people have no ####### idea who John Kasich is. I do follow politics somewhat, and I would have to google him to remember the highlights of his political career.  I'm positive that I'm not alone on that.  So when you see a poll that asks people "If the election was held today, would you vote for Hillary Clinton or John Kasich?" you might as well have asked voters if they prefer Hillary to Hercules B. Wonderful or Max Power or some other random, made-up name that signifies only "somebody other than Hillary, and not that ####### with the weird hair, or that pedo guy."

In other words, those results tell you nothing about John Kasich.  They just tell you that people would love a genuine alternative to Hillary, which the Republican party seems determined not to give them.   
Yes, but if people got to know Kasich, there are many reasons to believe that he would beat Hillary. His claims about important accomplishments are rated mostly true, especially the role that he play in balancing the budget. So he'd win on policy and honesty over Hillary in the minds of many voters. And he has executive experience. His Wall Street past would not be a negative against Hillary. He doesn't have much charisma as a speaker, but when it's one on one, content wins out.  

 
Louis CK has as much right to his opinion as any of us, including me, I think.

My objection is, he's not putting this out as Lou Szekely, citizen, he's doing it as Louis CK, comedian.  

He's not even offering anything particularly fresh in terms of a perspective if he's not going be funny in his piece.
The message Louis CK wrote is one that Trump supporters need to hear, and I think Louis CK is exactly the right person to deliver it to them.

I'll grant you that his message didn't provide any genuine insights that others haven't already delivered more eloquently. But Trump supporters self-evidently don't care about insight or eloquence -- that's why they're Trump supporters. It's also true that Louis CK isn't any kind of public policy expert and has no training in economics or broader social science or any other field relevant to this year's presidential race. But policy expertise is also something that Trump supporters self-evidently don't care about.

All Louis CK is is a celebrity who has been on TV a lot, has shown some charisma here and there, and who is now blurting out a semi-informed opinion about a topic he has no real expertise in.

And that is why Trump supporters might actually listen to him.

 
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The message Louis CK wrote is one that Trump supporters need to hear, and I think Louis CK is exactly the right person to deliver it to them.

I'll grant you that his message didn't provide any genuine insights that others haven't already delivered more eloquently. But Trump supporters self-evidently don't care about insight or eloquence -- that's why they're Trump supporters. It's also true that Louis CK isn't any kind of public policy expert and has no training in economics or broader social science or any other field relevant to this year's presidential race. But policy expertise is also something that Trump supporters self-evidently don't care about.

All Louis CK is is a celebrity who has been on TV a lot, has shown some charisma here and there, and who is now blurting out a semi-informed opinion about a topic he has no real expertise in.

And that is why Trump supporters might actually listen to him.
It also helps that he's the inverse of politically correct. 

 
The message Louis CK wrote is one that Trump supporters need to hear, and I think Louis CK is exactly the right person to deliver it to them.

I'll grant you that his message didn't provide any genuine insights that others haven't already delivered more eloquently. But Trump supporters self-evidently don't care about insight or eloquence -- that's why they're Trump supporters. It's also true that Louis CK isn't any kind of public policy expert and has no training in economics or broader social science or any other field relevant to this year's presidential race. But policy expertise is also something that Trump supporters self-evidently don't care about.

All Louis CK is is a celebrity who has been on TV a lot, has shown some charisma here and there, and who is now blurting out a semi-informed opinion about a topic he has no real expertise in.

And that is why Trump supporters might actually listen to him.
Sorry, but any comparison of Donald friggin Trump to Adolf Hitler is patently ridiculous. 

You can't go for 9 months calling a guy a joke, a buffoon and a moron and then one day just determine that he is the same as the greatest mass murderer in history. 

Plus Herschel Walker says he is not a racist. So now Hershel Walker is now a Nazi sympathizer. What are you people? On dope? 





Herschel Walker 


 
‎@HerschelWalker



I have personally known @realDonaldTrump for over 30 years and can confirm he is not a racist!!


12:20 PM - 1 Mar 2016

 

 
Yes it was, and African Americans have never forgiven the Democrats for it. Oh, wait...
Yeah they "forgave" them.

LBJ "I'll have them n*ggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years"

They traded their votes for crumbs, and you think Trump is duping people. 

 
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Sorry, but any comparison of Donald friggin Trump to Adolf Hitler is patently ridiculous. 

You can't go for 9 months calling a guy a joke, a buffoon and a moron and then one day just determine that he is the same as the greatest mass murderer in history. 

Plus Herschel Walker says he is not a racist. So now Hershel Walker is now a Nazi sympathizer. What are you people? On dope? 






 
He is #3 behind the socialists Mao and Stalin. But who's really counting when it comes to 10s of millions.

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic."
 

 
He is #3 behind the socialists Mao and Stalin. But who's really counting when it comes to 10s of millions.

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic."
 
Where does he rank with Pol Pot & Idi Armin? Baby Doc Duvalier was a better guy than Trump I suppose. 

 
Where does he rank with Pol Pot & Idi Armin? Baby Doc Duvalier was a better guy than Trump I suppose. 
Might be hard for him to bump Hitler out of the top 3. We have spent  years shipping our industry out of the nation. That will surely set back the efforts of mass murder. 

 
Might be hard for him to bump Hitler out of the top 3. We have spent  years shipping our industry out of the nation. That will surely set back the efforts of mass murder. 
I think he is banking on millions of industrial accidents with all the jobs he is going to create to get his kill count up. 

 
The death of Nancy Reagan this morning will hopefully highlight what the Republican Party used to be about and what it's about now. I don't know what Nancy thought about Donald Trump, but I suspect she was horrified. I'm certain her husband would have been. 
They'd  be for Cruz..

 

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