Moe.
Footballguy
I definitely would have inquired about getting through with a draw though
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***Official 2022 World Cup Thread*** (2 Viewers)
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QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Group B Scenarios...
England advance with win or tie
Or loss by 3 or less goals
Or loss by 4 or 5 goals and Iran/USA tie
Or loss by 6 goals and Iran/USA tie and Iran doesn't outscore them by 3 goals.
They are for sure eliminated if they lose by 7 goals.
Iran advance with win
Or tie and Wales Tie/Loss
Iran is out with a loss
USA advance with win
USA is out with a tie or loss
Wales advance with a win by 4+ goals
Or with a win and an Iran/USA tie
Wales is out with a tie or loss
-QG
England advance with win or tie
Or loss by 3 or less goals
Or loss by 4 or 5 goals and Iran/USA tie
Or loss by 6 goals and Iran/USA tie and Iran doesn't outscore them by 3 goals.
They are for sure eliminated if they lose by 7 goals.
Iran advance with win
Or tie and Wales Tie/Loss
Iran is out with a loss
USA advance with win
USA is out with a tie or loss
Wales advance with a win by 4+ goals
Or with a win and an Iran/USA tie
Wales is out with a tie or loss
-QG
El Floppo
Footballguy
Iran is built to defend deep and counter with quality. that's not going to change regardless... but just needing a tie to advance? it's going to be parking brake enacted before kickoff.
eta.. point being, they won't care about Wales score unless it's seriuosly topsy turvy
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
They will surely scoreboard watch but will play slightly more straight early on before there is any goals in England/Wales. Time or and England will open the bus depot.
-QG
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Looks like xG will shake out something close to...
USA .83 - .56 England
USA .83 - .56 England
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
So exactly the same scenario as 2010...
US draws first game (Slovenia/Wales), draws England in the second game, has to win vs worst team in the group in the third game to advance (Algeria, Iran). My heart is 12 years older than it was then though, so maybe we don't save it for the 92nd minute?
US draws first game (Slovenia/Wales), draws England in the second game, has to win vs worst team in the group in the third game to advance (Algeria, Iran). My heart is 12 years older than it was then though, so maybe we don't save it for the 92nd minute?
El Floppo
Footballguy
"exact"?
TripleThreat
Footballguy
GGG will need to figure out some set pieces against Iran
encaitar
Footballguy
Wow. Good game there for the US. We belonged on that field and we’re definitely the more likely to score for most of it.
Don’t know why we can’t get on a header in the box, but corner service was actually pretty good. If we had a Harry Kane type we’d have scored 3 today.
A lot has been said about MaGuire lately, but he was England’s best player today IMO. He controlled the air today.
Leeds is gonna get a ton of offers for Adam’s this summer. He was a stud at DM again.
If Chelsea doesn’t start playing Pulisic, they’re stupid. He looked better than any of England’s $500M attackers today.
Win against Iran and we’re through. LFG!!
Don’t know why we can’t get on a header in the box, but corner service was actually pretty good. If we had a Harry Kane type we’d have scored 3 today.
A lot has been said about MaGuire lately, but he was England’s best player today IMO. He controlled the air today.
Leeds is gonna get a ton of offers for Adam’s this summer. He was a stud at DM again.
If Chelsea doesn’t start playing Pulisic, they’re stupid. He looked better than any of England’s $500M attackers today.
Win against Iran and we’re through. LFG!!
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Yeah - he was shaky at times. I think we knew CB was our weakness. If he cost us a draw today that would have crushed him and us.
El Floppo
Footballguy
really wanted to give this more love.
El Floppo
Footballguy
he and ream look so much alike to my tired eyes on my crappy tv screen, I lost track of who was making those passes. seeing them all lined up like that... yikes.
I mean- the guy has been the lynchpin of the US defense for a while, so he's not going anywhere.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
They’ve stayed Ream on left and Zimm on right. Honestly, Zimm wasn’t horrible - couple of aggressive passes that didn’t come off but that late giveaway almost cost us. If he didn’t give away the stupid penalty we would have 2 clean sheets and saying the pairing has been stellar.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
What still seems so odd to me is nobody would say US Defense > US offense but here we sit with one goal after two matches. That will be GGG’s legacy if we don’t advance (unfortunately).
Dickies
Footballguy
If we can’t beat either Wales or Iran then we simply don’t deserve to move on. I’m encouraged for the future of US soccer given how young this team is and from what I’ve seen this WC. They have outplayed their opponents for 3/4 halfs. I’m totally cool with our fate requiring us to win vs Iran
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I feel like you guys are reading a little in to the comments - I don’t think Kane or Southgate were giving a backhand compliments. I think they genuinely think we are a good side.
Ned
Footballguy
**** those snobs.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I feel like we knew this would be the case the day the schedule was announced and we saw Iran as the third game. I think NR predicted it that day - we'll need 3 points in that third game to advance.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
encaitar
Footballguy
They just don’t want to give the right credit. Pulisic was the most technical player on the field today from either side. The US had the better attacking plays and shape. England’s $400M midfield got outplayed by MMA. England’s only real chances came on US errors. Don’t know why they can’t recognize that.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I think it's just me rsponding this way (havne't seen Andy's comments yet).
and I"m not reading into anything... it's literally what every coach and player the US dispatches says. they don't say- "they controlled the MF and made the plays up and down the field, holding their shape and controlling the tempo most of the game."
I'm telling you- "athleticism and organisation" are buzz-words for "they're not that good and certainly worse than us, but they got a result because they ran a lot". it's been 30+ years of the EXACT same comments over and over again. and tbh... they held up in the 90s when it was a bunch of college kids just running around. but to say those exact words after that performance is a big FU.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
I was about to post the exact same thing.
El Floppo
Footballguy
and look- Kane said they struggled today. not that the US made them struggled. he sees it that England dropped it against a lesser team because they didn't play as well as they're capable. there's no credit to the US. no acknowledgement of the US ability when you use "athletic and organized".
southgate said they were coming down off the high of their first game- and hard to keep that going. not that the US had a factor in it... other than being "athletic and organized".
southgate said they were coming down off the high of their first game- and hard to keep that going. not that the US had a factor in it... other than being "athletic and organized".
AAABatteries
Footballguy
You really expect the manager of England to come out and say the side they played controlled the midfield and tempo? Really?
I’ll take your word for it but I also watched a long interview with Southgate during one of the other games where he praised GGG and the US side. I think he’s being genuine
now Kane may be taking the piss.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Wales game was underwhelming given our superior talent. That’s on GGG.
England game exceeded expectations, have to give credit to GGG there as well despite the Shaq Moore catastrophe.
I give Berhalter a C+ grade. Can rise to a B- with a result Vs Iran. A loss should be the end of the nepotism experiment.
England game exceeded expectations, have to give credit to GGG there as well despite the Shaq Moore catastrophe.
I give Berhalter a C+ grade. Can rise to a B- with a result Vs Iran. A loss should be the end of the nepotism experiment.
Sand
Footballguy
Guy from the North Korean First Division.
El Floppo
Footballguy
there's a reason they both used the exact same words every coach and player the US has gotten a result against have used going back 30 years. regardless of any niceties said in a pre-tourney interview... they have zero respect for the US game. **** them.
You really expect the manager of England to come out and say the side they played controlled the midfield and tempo? Really?
I’ll take your word for it but I also watched a long interview with Southgate during one of the other games where he praised GGG and the US side. I think he’s being genuine
El Floppo
Footballguy
didn't Freddy Adu play there?
eta: I take that back... it was the North Korean 3rd divsion.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Totally agree. They're too arrogant to admit we outplayed them. Their egos tell them that they just got unlucky and we just hung around by being scrappy.
We were the better team. We didn't bunker. We didn't time waste. We went toe to toe and outplayed them. Just couldn't put one in the net.
We were the better team. We didn't bunker. We didn't time waste. We went toe to toe and outplayed them. Just couldn't put one in the net.
The Gator
Footballguy
Yup, hence my comments half way through about being more technical. It was obvious in this game
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
5W20, 5W30. Whatever it takes.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Also that stretch of gaining corners was evidence for the US outplaying them in their half.
The English fans should be pissed at their weak sauce midfield and impotent offense. When Mcguire is your best player, you're in trouble.
Saka and Sterling looked like dog crap in generating offense, always a step slower than Jedi and Adams.
Other countries better take note of this team full of youngsters playing with skill and going toe to toe with ENG.
The English fans should be pissed at their weak sauce midfield and impotent offense. When Mcguire is your best player, you're in trouble.
Saka and Sterling looked like dog crap in generating offense, always a step slower than Jedi and Adams.
Other countries better take note of this team full of youngsters playing with skill and going toe to toe with ENG.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Rice was poor, as were both Trippier and Shaw. But it seemed to me we took the foot off the gas and played for a draw over the last 20 minutes.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I've never understood Rice, tbh. I've never seen anything from him any different than he showed today... a step slow of foot and decision making, and technically and physically not all that. MMA owned him.
Sand
Footballguy
Hahahaha. Suck it, wankers.
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Also, watching the Netherland Ecuador game right now and neither of these teams are world killers. In fact, I'd rather play the Dutch. Ecuador is the better team in A at the moment.
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Also, watching the Netherland Ecuador game right now and neither of these teams are world killers. In fact, I'd rather play the Dutch. Ecuador is the better team in A at the moment.
