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***Official 2025 Pro Cycling Thread*** - Come Dope with Us - This week Polish Drugs! (4 Viewers)

Chemical X said:
i think i can back into this if my guys can check their Physiological Conditioning and improve the Power-to-Weight Ratio (W/kg)
• Key for mountain stages and overall climbing efficiency.
• Elite GC (General Classification) contenders maintain:
• 5.8–6.2 W/kg at threshold (~60 minutes) during critical climbs.
• >6.5 W/kg over 20-minute climbs during attacks.
• Must optimize:
• Functional Threshold Power (FTP)
• VO₂max (>85 mL/kg/min in elite riders)
• Lactate clearance rate

b. Energy System Development
• Aerobic endurance: Mitochondrial density, capillarization.
• Anaerobic reserve: Short-term efforts (for breakaways or catching).
• Fat oxidation capacity: To spare glycogen stores in long stages.

⸻

2. Aerodynamic and Mechanical Efficiency

a. Aerodynamics
• Drag coefficient (CdA) < 0.21 m² for time trials.
• Position optimization via wind tunnel and CFD (computational fluid dynamics).
• Equipment selection:
• Deep-section wheels
• Aero helmets
• Skinsuits with boundary-layer manipulation

b. Bike Setup and Mechanics
• Weight limit: UCI minimum 6.8 kg, optimized with carbon layups.
• Gear ratios adapted to course profile.
• Constant power meter telemetry for pacing strategy.
• Tire rolling resistance: ~10–12W savings with optimal tubeless systems at tuned PSI.

⸻

3. Nutritional Periodization and In-Race Fueling

a. Glycogen Repletion
• Supercompensation strategies pre-race.
• CHO intake >90g/hour during stages (glucose + fructose ratio of 2:1).

b. Hydration and Electrolyte Balance
• Real-time sodium and fluid loss monitoring via sweat analysis.
• On-bike intake tailored via predictive models of sweat rate and ambient conditions.
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The jayco kits are a pretty color. :pickle: :D
 
🇫🇷 2025 Tour de France - Stage 3 🇫🇷

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🇫🇷 Round 9 - TdF Race Standings 🇫🇷​

 
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Inside the Footballguys Velogames League: The Battle for the Maillot Jaune


As the Tour de France rages on across the roads of France, the action is just as intense in the Footballguys Velogames Contest League, where cycling fans, fantasy strategists, and even a few cheeky AI overlords battle for digital glory. The league is based on the Overall Race standings from Velogames.com and has brought together a quirky, competitive cast of characters. Let's take a detailed look at the current state of play.



🥇​


Points: 1227


A commanding performance from Sand, whose team name may be a Mel Brooks reference, but there’s nothing mistaken about their strategy. Likely featuring high-performing GC stars, opportunistic breakaway specialists, and some budget gems, "The French Mistake" has built a strong lead over the peloton of fantasy teams. If this dominance continues, the yellow jersey may be theirs to lose.



🥈​


Points: 1100


Jaysus sits solidly in second, just over 100 points back. The enigmatic team name hints at Premier League affiliations, but there’s serious Tour-level thinking behind this roster. "RB Brownwings" may have missed a key breakaway or two, but they’re still in striking distance if Sand falters.



🥉​


Points: 1057


Nick Vermeil’s team brings style, speed, and a bit of stoner flair. Sitting in bronze medal position, "Spokes ‘N Tokes" has likely hit on a mix of sprinters and puncheurs to stay competitive. Don’t count them out — one huge stage or GC shakeup could elevate them into yellow jersey contention.



🚴‍♂️ The Chasers​


  • 4th: "sammy’s gruppetto" (sammy3469) — 1021 pts
    True to the gruppetto spirit, Sammy is hanging on just off the lead group, waiting to strike. A late Tour surge could push this squad into the top 3.
  • 5th: "Squeaky Wheels" (Cheeseypoof) — 954 pts
    Perhaps more familiar with snack-based cycling recovery, Cheeseypoof’s team is making noise just outside podium contention.
  • 6th: "Late to the party" (Brettdj) — 870 pts
    Brettdj may have joined late or picked a few slow starters, but there's still time for redemption if his budget picks start to pop.
  • 7th: "AI Overlords Control the Peloton" (ChatGPT Trained by BassNBrew) — 866 pts
    A bold, self-referential team name. The AI may be down in 7th, but let’s be honest — it’s still calculating moves no one else can see.


🟨 The Midfield Mechanics​


  • 8th: "FBG Corporation" (Michael Cooley) — 828 pts
    Like a steady domestique, Cooley’s squad is keeping things consistent, but will need a big GC push to climb higher.
  • 9th: "Forcats de la Route" (ForzaShels) — 790 pts
    A nod to the prison chain gangs of cycling lore — ForzaShels brings romantic suffering to the midfield. They could be due for a jailbreak of points.
  • 10th (tie): "Armstrong’s Needle" (Da Raiders) — 703 pts
  • 10th (tie): "Sand’s Saddle Sores" (Bain & Company) — 703 pts
    Tied in both points and pain, these two squads are mired mid-pack but not mathematically out of it. Will they find a miracle injection of form?


🧹 Bringing Up the Rear​


  • 12th: "Ultimate A$$-whooping Ensemble" (BassNBrew2) — 643 pts
    Perhaps cursed by the name, this team has delivered more whoopings than received them — but there’s time for a comeback.
  • 13th: "Boerum Hill Big Ringing" (BobbyLayne) — 634 pts
    Based in Brooklyn, this big-ring bash squad may have gone all-in on sprinters or flair riders who haven’t quite delivered yet.
  • 14th: "Mr. Spoke" (Chemical Xtalian) — 455 pts
    Currently the lanterne rouge, but still rolling. Mr. Spoke may be more about the vibes than the virtual prize purse — every Tour needs a heartwarming underdog.


🏁 Closing Thoughts​


This year’s Footballguys Velogames League is a lively reminder that cycling fandom stretches far beyond the roads of France. With fantasy teams as creative as their names and strategies varying from high-budget juggernauts to budget wizardry, every point scored is a reason to cheer — or groan.


With more mountain stages, time trials, and sprint finishes ahead, the race is far from over. Will "The French Mistake" hold on? Will Jaysus or Nick Vermeil claw their way to the top? Will the AI Overlords... uhh... overwrite the leaderboard?


Stay tuned. Fantasy glory awaits.
 
BassNBrew said:
Inside the Footballguys Velogames League: The Battle for the Maillot Jaune


As the Tour de France rages on across the roads of France, the action is just as intense in the Footballguys Velogames Contest League, where cycling fans, fantasy strategists, and even a few cheeky AI overlords battle for digital glory. The league is based on the Overall Race standings from Velogames.com and has brought together a quirky, competitive cast of characters. Let's take a detailed look at the current state of play.



🥇​


Points: 1227


A commanding performance from Sand, whose team name may be a Mel Brooks reference, but there’s nothing mistaken about their strategy. Likely featuring high-performing GC stars, opportunistic breakaway specialists, and some budget gems, "The French Mistake" has built a strong lead over the peloton of fantasy teams. If this dominance continues, the yellow jersey may be theirs to lose.



🥈​


Points: 1100


Jaysus sits solidly in second, just over 100 points back. The enigmatic team name hints at Premier League affiliations, but there’s serious Tour-level thinking behind this roster. "RB Brownwings" may have missed a key breakaway or two, but they’re still in striking distance if Sand falters.



🥉​


Points: 1057


Nick Vermeil’s team brings style, speed, and a bit of stoner flair. Sitting in bronze medal position, "Spokes ‘N Tokes" has likely hit on a mix of sprinters and puncheurs to stay competitive. Don’t count them out — one huge stage or GC shakeup could elevate them into yellow jersey contention.



🚴‍♂️ The Chasers​


  • 4th: "sammy’s gruppetto" (sammy3469) — 1021 pts
    True to the gruppetto spirit, Sammy is hanging on just off the lead group, waiting to strike. A late Tour surge could push this squad into the top 3.
  • 5th: "Squeaky Wheels" (Cheeseypoof) — 954 pts
    Perhaps more familiar with snack-based cycling recovery, Cheeseypoof’s team is making noise just outside podium contention.
  • 6th: "Late to the party" (Brettdj) — 870 pts
    Brettdj may have joined late or picked a few slow starters, but there's still time for redemption if his budget picks start to pop.
  • 7th: "AI Overlords Control the Peloton" (ChatGPT Trained by BassNBrew) — 866 pts
    A bold, self-referential team name. The AI may be down in 7th, but let’s be honest — it’s still calculating moves no one else can see.


🟨 The Midfield Mechanics​


  • 8th: "FBG Corporation" (Michael Cooley) — 828 pts
    Like a steady domestique, Cooley’s squad is keeping things consistent, but will need a big GC push to climb higher.
  • 9th: "Forcats de la Route" (ForzaShels) — 790 pts
    A nod to the prison chain gangs of cycling lore — ForzaShels brings romantic suffering to the midfield. They could be due for a jailbreak of points.
  • 10th (tie): "Armstrong’s Needle" (Da Raiders) — 703 pts
  • 10th (tie): "Sand’s Saddle Sores" (Bain & Company) — 703 pts
    Tied in both points and pain, these two squads are mired mid-pack but not mathematically out of it. Will they find a miracle injection of form?


🧹 Bringing Up the Rear​


  • 12th: "Ultimate A$$-whooping Ensemble" (BassNBrew2) — 643 pts
    Perhaps cursed by the name, this team has delivered more whoopings than received them — but there’s time for a comeback.
  • 13th: "Boerum Hill Big Ringing" (BobbyLayne) — 634 pts
    Based in Brooklyn, this big-ring bash squad may have gone all-in on sprinters or flair riders who haven’t quite delivered yet.
  • 14th: "Mr. Spoke" (Chemical Xtalian) — 455 pts
    Currently the lanterne rouge, but still rolling. Mr. Spoke may be more about the vibes than the virtual prize purse — every Tour needs a heartwarming underdog.


🏁 Closing Thoughts​


This year’s Footballguys Velogames League is a lively reminder that cycling fandom stretches far beyond the roads of France. With fantasy teams as creative as their names and strategies varying from high-budget juggernauts to budget wizardry, every point scored is a reason to cheer — or groan.


With more mountain stages, time trials, and sprint finishes ahead, the race is far from over. Will "The French Mistake" hold on? Will Jaysus or Nick Vermeil claw their way to the top? Will the AI Overlords... uhh... overwrite the leaderboard?


Stay tuned. Fantasy glory awaits.
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That’s awesome GB!!!
 
Day 3 ruminations

Tadej is tadej
Remco woke up. Looking forward to the TTs and the mountains
Lipo needs roglic to abandon already :coffee:
Merlier give me one more win and a couple top 10s and I’ll be very happy
:wolf: alaphillipe :wolf: showed some signs of life day 2. Hoping for a breakaway tomorrow. Possible win. MvDP will have something to say
Schmid and champoussin have been utter garbage so far. Nearly Lenny Martinez bad
Navarez will be fine riding tadej’s coat tails
Sweeney still has points in him imho.

If alaphillipe does well tomorrow, and the TT goes my way a bit, Armstrong’s Needle will move up the standings.
 
Man, that Philipsen crash was super hard. I hope he's ok. Coquard is driving like Alaphillipe used to - all over the bloody place.

Tomorrow looks like an MvDP day again. Maybe Wout comes out to play?
 
Sand said:
Man, that Philipsen crash was super hard. I hope he's ok. Coquard is driving like Alaphillipe used to - all over the bloody place.

Tomorrow looks like an MvDP day again. Maybe Wout comes out to play?
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I think visma will do as little as possible unless an opportunity appears. They need every one as strong as possible for the last 2 weeks.
 
DA RAIDERS said:
Sand said:
Man, that Philipsen crash was super hard. I hope he's ok. Coquard is driving like Alaphillipe used to - all over the bloody place.

Tomorrow looks like an MvDP day again. Maybe Wout comes out to play?
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I think visma will do as little as possible unless an opportunity appears. They need every one as strong as possible for the last 2 weeks.
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Matteo had said that the plan for Stage 2 was Wout and he didn't know why he didn't make it through. And noted that it was a missed opportunity for him as he held back. So it seems they are planning for Wout to compete for these hilly stages. I hope he and MvDP have a sprint to the line tomorrow!
 
Sand said:
Man, that Philipsen crash was super hard. I hope he's ok. Coquard is driving like Alaphillipe used to - all over the bloody place.

Tomorrow looks like an MvDP day again. Maybe Wout comes out to play?
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Bookwalter had an interesting comment that Coquard is 20 pounds less than almost all the other sprinters so when he gets the slightest touch or shoulder, he starts moving all over the place.
 
Alaphilippe has a mechanical, Hirshi waits with him

Team wastes time trying to change the wheel (with 30 km to go?)

Takes too long so after 20-25 seconds they grab another bike

One minute down he’s toast for today

ETA OK 40 seconds but no way he makes back through all the dropped riders & motorbikes
 
B.O.C. dropped 20 places (1:49) today

had Buitrago & G. Martin as my climbers

last changes were to swap them for O’Connor & Storer
 
🇫🇷 2025 Tour de France - Stage 4 🇫🇷



🇫🇷 Overall Race Standings 🇫🇷​





🇫🇷 Stage Winners 🇫🇷
  1. Brettdj
  2. Sand
  3. Jaysus
  4. Sammy3469
 
🏆 Footballguys Velogames League Update — Post Stage 4: Vive la Chaos 🇫🇷
The 2025 Tour de France is only four stages deep, but the Footballguys Velogames League is already delivering more drama than a Netflix Tour de France documentary narrated by a half-drunk Phil Liggett. Teams are rising, falling, and flat-out combusting like bargain-bin GC riders in a crosswind. Here's your Stage 4 update and overall standings, packed with more intrigue than Jonas Vingegaard's injury report.

🚴‍♂️ Stage 4 Top Performers: The Revolution Begins​

RankPointsTeam NameManager
🥇817sammy’s gruppettosammy3469
🥈748RB Brownwings WGUAFCJaysus
🥉716The French MistakeSand
4709Squeaky WheelsCheeseypoof
5662AI Overlords Control the PelotonChatGPT Trained by BassNBrew
6619Spokes ‘N TokesNick Vermeil
7541Sand's Saddle SoresBain & Company
8529Ultimate A$$-whooping EnsembleBassNBrew2
9513FBG CorporationMichael Cooley
10500Late to the partyBrettdj
11494Mr. SpokeChemical Xtalian
12468Boerum Hill Big RingingBobbyLayne
13426Forcats de la RouteForzaShels
14422Armstrong’s NeedleDa Raiders
Notable Moment:
Sammy’s Gruppetto must’ve injected rocket fuel into their bidons — they scored a monster 817 points on the day and went full Remco on the leaderboard.

📊 Overall Standings After Stage 4: Shaken, Stirred, and Slapped with a Saddlebag​

RankPointsTeam NameManager
🥇1943The French MistakeSand
🥈1853RB Brownwings WGUAFCJaysus
🥉1838sammy’s gruppettosammy3469
41676Spokes ‘N TokesNick Vermeil
51663Squeaky WheelsCheeseypoof
61538AI Overlords Control the PelotonChatGPT Trained by BassNBrew
71370Late to the partyBrettdj
81341FBG CorporationMichael Cooley
91244Sand’s Saddle SoresBain & Company
101216Forcats de la RouteForzaShels
111172Ultimate A$$-whooping EnsembleBassNBrew2
121125Armstrong’s NeedleDa Raiders
131102Boerum Hill Big RingingBobbyLayne
14949Mr. SpokeChemical Xtalian

🏹 League Breakdown: Headlines, Scandals & Sarcasm​

🔺 Rising Like Pinot on a Sunny Day​

  • sammy’s gruppetto — From 4th to sniffing the podium champagne, Sammy pulled a Jumbo-Visma and launched all 8 riders up the GC. If this keeps up, they’ll be “gruppetto” in name only.
  • AI Overlords Control the Peloton — Maybe it was the neural net recalibration or just dumb luck, but the AI finally found the “attack” button. BassNBrew’s creation is now threatening to outthink the humans… one sprinter at a time.

🧻 Teams in a Spot of Bother​

  • Armstrong’s Needle — Still stuck in 12th place, and even the name makes WADA twitch. They need more than EPO — maybe a time machine to undo their picks.
  • Mr. Spoke — From 14th to... still 14th. But look, someone has to hold the lanterne rouge. Chemical Xtalian may not win, but they will be remembered.

🏁 Midfield Madness​

  • Squeaky Wheels and Spokes ‘N Tokes are battling for who can be the most poetic in the peloton while still failing to crack the top three.
  • FBG Corporation looks like it was built by committee, and the internal memo probably said, “Don’t pick sprinters.”
  • Late to the party is living up to the name. Good news: There’s still a long way to go. Bad news: So is the broom wagon.

🔮 Final Thoughts​

We're just four stages in, but the Footballguys Velogames League already feels like a soap opera on two wheels. Sand holds yellow, but the field is closing in. Sammy is on a heater. Jaysus is lurking like a climber on a gradient. And somewhere in the digital feedzone, BassNBrew’s AI is plotting its world domination… or at least a top 5 finish.
Will “The French Mistake” correct course? Will “Ultimate A$$-whooping Ensemble” finally live up to its name in reverse? Will Mr. Spoke ever score more points than a UCI commissaire at a press conference?
Stay tuned. We’ve got hills, thrills, and a leaderboard more volatile than a Mark Cavendish group chat.
 
Sammy3469 said:
@BobbyLayne I want a big celebration for my 100th victory :oldunsure: as well (I think this is the first time I've one a stage in about 5 years)
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Looks like you won one stage at the 2024 Vuelta, back to back stages in the Giro last year - but shut out in Le Tour.

2024 I finished dead last in the Giro, 8th out of 9 at the Tour, and won 7 stages at the Vuelta. Also won 7 stages at the Giro earlier this year.

After winning the last two Grand Tours, looks like I'm back on the road to finishing last. Pretty sure I was never lower than 4th in 2022 & 2023, not sure why it changed into boom-or-bust.
 
5 of the Top 10 TT Specialists are in Le Tour. 1,2, 8 are on my team, and another 2 should place top 20. Hopefully my squad will have its first good stage of the race tomorrow.
 
Start times of favorites:

Start time Rider

13:49:00 AFFINI Edoardo
15:06:00 FOSS Tobias
15:58:30 VAN AERT Wout
16:36:00 ROGLIČ Primož
16:44:00 EVENEPOEL Remco
16:46:00 ALMEIDA João
16:54:00 JORGENSON Matteo
16:56:00 VINGEGAARD Jonas
16:58:00 POGAČAR Tadej

EDT is 6 hours behind CET
 
Career top-10 percentage in time trials for competitors

# Rider Top-10s TT Starts %

1 EVENEPOEL Remco 41 44 93.2%
2 ALMEIDA João 40 54 74.1%
3 ROGLIČ Primož 54 73 74.0%
4 POGAČAR Tadej 28 38 73.7%
5 VAN AERT Wout 28 39 71.8%
6 WÆRENSKJOLD Søren 21 30 70.0%
7 FOSS Tobias 31 47 66.0%
8 AFFINI Edoardo 37 60 61.7%
9 VAUQUELIN Kévin 19 31 61.3%
10 CAMPENAERTS Victor 53 92 57.6%
11 SCHACHMANN Maximilian 42 75 56.0%
12 ASGREEN Kasper 42 75 56.0%
13 VINGEGAARD Jonas 22 41 53.7%
14 SKJELMOSE Mattias 17 32 53.1%
15 DURBRIDGE Luke 51 101 50.5%
16 THOMAS Geraint 67 133 50.4%
17 ROMEO Iván 13 26 50.0%
18 VAN WILDER Ilan 17 35 48.6%
19 CATTANEO Mattia 36 79 45.6%
20 WATSON Samuel 10 22 45.5%

Riders with more than 10 ITT-result

Which riders are present at Tour de France from the top of the PCS time trial ranking?

# Rider Points Present

1 EVENEPOEL Remco 876 yes
2 TARLING Joshua 790 -
3 VINE Jay 721 -
4 AFFINI Edoardo 642 yes
5 KÜNG Stefan 639 -
6 GANNA Filippo 612 -
7 ALMEIDA João 576 yes
8 VINGEGAARD Jonas 460 yes
9 BISSEGGER Stefan 459 -
10 ROGLIČ Primož 440 yes
11 VACEK Mathias 424 -
12 HAYTER Ethan 420 -
13 MCNULTY Brandon 414 -
14 CATTANEO Mattia 406 yes
15 SCHACHMANN Maximilian 390 yes
16 VAN AERT Wout 378 yes
17 HOOLE Daan 377 -
18 POGAČAR Tadej 370 yes
19 GEE Derek 327 -
20 TIBERI Antonio 315 -
21 ARMIRAIL Bruno 312 yes
22 FOSS Tobias 296 yes
23 CAMPENAERTS Victor 280 yes
24 ROMEO Iván 275 yes
25 BARONCINI Filippo 265 -
26 GUERNALEC Thibault 258 -
27 VAUQUELIN Kévin 255 yes
28 AYUSO Juan 242 -
29 PEDERSEN Mads 240 -
30 SHEFFIELD Magnus 238 -
31 VLASOV Aleksandr 238 yes
32 SCHMID Mauro 236 yes
33 LIPOWITZ Florian 236 yes
34 ASGREEN Kasper 236 yes
35 OLIVEIRA Nelson 234 yes
36 SEGAERT Alec 232 -
37 JORGENSON Matteo 230 yes
38 GROßSCHARTNER Felix 229 -
39 GARCÍA PIERNA Raúl 209 yes
40 TEJADA Harold 207 yes
41 CAVAGNA Rémi 199 -
42 PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan 199 -
43 SKJELMOSE Mattias 192 yes
44 WELLENS Tim 190 yes
45 WÆRENSKJOLD Søren 178 yes
46 VAN WILDER Ilan 176 yes
47 BJERG Mikkel 174 -
48 BETTIOL Alberto 174 -
49 ZIJLAARD Maikel 172 -
50 ONLEY Oscar 170 yes

General classification after stage 4.

Rnk. Rider Team Time

1 VAN DER POEL Mathieu Alpecin - Deceuninck 16:46:00
2 POGAČAR Tadej UAE Team Emirates - XRG ,,
3 VINGEGAARD Jonas Team Visma | Lease a Bike 0:08
4 JORGENSON Matteo Team Visma | Lease a Bike 0:19
5 VAUQUELIN Kévin Arkéa - B&B Hotels 0:26
6 MAS Enric Movistar Team 0:48
7 ONLEY Oscar Team Picnic PostNL 0:55
8 ALMEIDA João UAE Team Emirates - XRG ,,
9 EVENEPOEL Remco Soudal Quick-Step 0:58
10 SKJELMOSE Mattias Lidl - Trek 1:02
11 JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland Uno-X Mobility 1:17
12 PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team 1:25
13 ROGLIČ Primož Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 1:27
14 HIRSCHI Marc Tudor Pro Cycling Team 1:30
15 BLACKMORE Joseph Israel - Premier Tech 1:41
16 MARTIN Guillaume Groupama - FDJ 1:49
17 BUITRAGO Santiago Bahrain - Victorious ,,
18 BERCKMOES Jenno Lotto ,,
19 GALL Felix Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team ,,
20 LIPOWITZ Florian Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe ,,
 

TT Specialists​

Best time trial competitors based on the PCS time trial ranking.

Pos. Rider Team Points Time trial ranking position

1 EVENEPOEL Remco Soudal Quick-Step 876 1
2 AFFINI Edoardo Team Visma | Lease a Bike 642 4
3 GANNA Filippo INEOS Grenadiers 612 6
4 ALMEIDA João UAE Team Emirates - XRG 576 7
5 VINGEGAARD Jonas Team Visma | Lease a Bike 460 8
6 BISSEGGER Stefan Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team 459 9
7 ROGLIČ Primož Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 440 10
8 CATTANEO Mattia Soudal Quick-Step 406 14
9 SCHACHMANN Maximilian Soudal Quick-Step 390 15
10 VAN AERT Wout Team Visma | Lease a Bike 378 16
11 POGAČAR Tadej UAE Team Emirates - XRG 370 18
12 ARMIRAIL Bruno Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team 312 21
13 FOSS Tobias INEOS Grenadiers 296 22
14 CAMPENAERTS Victor Team Visma | Lease a Bike 280 23
15 ROMEO Iván Movistar Team 275 24
16 VAUQUELIN Kévin Arkéa - B&B Hotels 255 27
17 VLASOV Aleksandr Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 238 31
18 SCHMID Mauro Team Jayco AlUla 236 32
19 LIPOWITZ Florian Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 236 33
20 ASGREEN Kasper EF Education - EasyPost 236 34
21 OLIVEIRA Nelson Movistar Team 234 35
22 JORGENSON Matteo Team Visma | Lease a Bike 230 37
23 GARCÍA PIERNA Raúl Arkéa - B&B Hotels 209 39
24 TEJADA Harold XDS Astana Team 207 40
25 SKJELMOSE Mattias Lidl - Trek 192 43
26 WELLENS Tim UAE Team Emirates - XRG 190 44
27 WÆRENSKJOLD Søren Uno-X Mobility 178 45
28 VAN WILDER Ilan Soudal Quick-Step 176 46
29 ONLEY Oscar Team Picnic PostNL 170 50
30 SWEENY Harry EF Education - EasyPost 160 52
31 MILAN Jonathan Lidl - Trek 152 54
32 GRÉGOIRE Romain Groupama - FDJ 150 56
33 ARENSMAN Thymen INEOS Grenadiers 146 57
34 WATSON Samuel INEOS Grenadiers 145 59
35 PLAPP Luke Team Jayco AlUla 130 64
36 CASTRILLO Pablo Movistar Team 122 67
37 VAN DER POEL Mathieu Alpecin - Deceuninck 122 68
38 FEDOROV Yevgeniy XDS Astana Team 107 72
39 MARTINEZ Lenny Bahrain - Victorious 102 76
40 GALL Felix Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team 102 78
41 RODRÍGUEZ Carlos INEOS Grenadiers 96 82
42 O'CONNOR Ben Team Jayco AlUla 96 84
43 BUITRAGO Santiago Bahrain - Victorious 88 96
44 DUNBAR Eddie Team Jayco AlUla 78 108
45 THOMAS Benjamin Cofidis 73 117
46 POWLESS Neilson EF Education - EasyPost 68 127
47 BARTA Will Movistar Team 66 136
48 YATES Adam UAE Team Emirates - XRG 65 140
49 YATES Simon Team Visma | Lease a Bike 62 146
50 WRIGHT Fred Bahrain - Victorious 59 157
51 GACHIGNARD Thomas Team TotalEnergies 56 165
52 SWIFT Connor INEOS Grenadiers 53 172
53 RODRÍGUEZ Cristián Arkéa - B&B Hotels 52 173
54 HIRSCHI Marc Tudor Pro Cycling Team 50 183
55 CORT Magnus Uno-X Mobility 50 187
56 POLITT Nils UAE Team Emirates - XRG 48 195
57 CAPIOT Amaury Arkéa - B&B Hotels 48 201
58 TEUNS Dylan Cofidis 47 205
59 VAN DEN BERG Marijn EF Education - EasyPost 46 210
60 HEALY Ben EF Education - EasyPost 46 211
61 SKUJIŅŠ Toms Lidl - Trek 43 216
62 VAN POPPEL Danny Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 42 219
63 BLACKMORE Joseph Israel - Premier Tech 41 229
64 STORER Michael Tudor Pro Cycling Team 40 231
65 LUTSENKO Alexey Israel - Premier Tech 40 234
66 CRAS Steff Team TotalEnergies 39 239
67 PACHER Quentin Groupama - FDJ 38 240
68 HALLER Marco Tudor Pro Cycling Team 36 254
69 SIMMONS Quinn Lidl - Trek 34 265
70 MEEUS Jordi Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 30 298
71 BITTNER Pavel Team Picnic PostNL 30 341
72 LEKNESSUND Andreas Uno-X Mobility 26 368
73 RUSSO Clément Groupama - FDJ 26 372
74 NEILANDS Krists Israel - Premier Tech 25 388
75 VAN DEN BROEK Frank Team Picnic PostNL 23 459
76 PITHIE Laurence Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 22 465
77 VAN DIJKE Mick Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 22 469
78 TOUZÉ Damien Cofidis 22 473
79 VERSTRYNGE Emiel Alpecin - Deceuninck 20 498
80 NYS Thibau Lidl - Trek 20 506
81 MAS Enric Movistar Team 18 579
82 MOHORIČ Matej Bahrain - Victorious 18 581
83 VAN EETVELT Lennert Lotto 16 663
84 KUSS Sepp Team Visma | Lease a Bike 15 699
85 COSTIOU Ewen Arkéa - B&B Hotels 14 708
86 TRENTIN Matteo Tudor Pro Cycling Team 14 709
87 REINDERS Elmar Team Jayco AlUla 14 719
88 PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team 14 720
89 SOLER Marc UAE Team Emirates - XRG 11 823
90 EENKHOORN Pascal Soudal Quick-Step 11 826
91 BURGAUDEAU Mathieu Team TotalEnergies 10 833
92 SCOTSON Callum Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team 10 840
93 JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland Uno-X Mobility 10 851
94 DELETTRE Alexandre Team TotalEnergies 10 904
95 FLYNN Sean Team Picnic PostNL 8 948
 
BobbyLayne said:
Career top-10 percentage in time trials for competitors

# Rider Top-10s TT Starts %

1 EVENEPOEL Remco 41 44 93.2%
2 ALMEIDA João 40 54 74.1%
3 ROGLIČ Primož 54 73 74.0%
4 POGAČAR Tadej 28 38 73.7%
5 VAN AERT Wout 28 39 71.8%
6 WÆRENSKJOLD Søren 21 30 70.0%
7 FOSS Tobias 31 47 66.0%
8 AFFINI Edoardo 37 60 61.7%
9 VAUQUELIN Kévin 19 31 61.3%
10 CAMPENAERTS Victor 53 92 57.6%
11 SCHACHMANN Maximilian 42 75 56.0%
12 ASGREEN Kasper 42 75 56.0%
13 VINGEGAARD Jonas 22 41 53.7%
14 SKJELMOSE Mattias 17 32 53.1%
15 DURBRIDGE Luke 51 101 50.5%
16 THOMAS Geraint 67 133 50.4%
17 ROMEO Iván 13 26 50.0%
18 VAN WILDER Ilan 17 35 48.6%
19 CATTANEO Mattia 36 79 45.6%
20 WATSON Samuel 10 22 45.5%

Riders with more than 10 ITT-result

Which riders are present at Tour de France from the top of the PCS time trial ranking?

# Rider Points Present

1 EVENEPOEL Remco 876 yes
2 TARLING Joshua 790 -
3 VINE Jay 721 -
4 AFFINI Edoardo 642 yes
5 KÜNG Stefan 639 -
6 GANNA Filippo 612 -
7 ALMEIDA João 576 yes
8 VINGEGAARD Jonas 460 yes
9 BISSEGGER Stefan 459 -
10 ROGLIČ Primož 440 yes
11 VACEK Mathias 424 -
12 HAYTER Ethan 420 -
13 MCNULTY Brandon 414 -
14 CATTANEO Mattia 406 yes
15 SCHACHMANN Maximilian 390 yes
16 VAN AERT Wout 378 yes
17 HOOLE Daan 377 -
18 POGAČAR Tadej 370 yes
19 GEE Derek 327 -
20 TIBERI Antonio 315 -
21 ARMIRAIL Bruno 312 yes
22 FOSS Tobias 296 yes
23 CAMPENAERTS Victor 280 yes
24 ROMEO Iván 275 yes
25 BARONCINI Filippo 265 -
26 GUERNALEC Thibault 258 -
27 VAUQUELIN Kévin 255 yes
28 AYUSO Juan 242 -
29 PEDERSEN Mads 240 -
30 SHEFFIELD Magnus 238 -
31 VLASOV Aleksandr 238 yes
32 SCHMID Mauro 236 yes
33 LIPOWITZ Florian 236 yes
34 ASGREEN Kasper 236 yes
35 OLIVEIRA Nelson 234 yes
36 SEGAERT Alec 232 -
37 JORGENSON Matteo 230 yes
38 GROßSCHARTNER Felix 229 -
39 GARCÍA PIERNA Raúl 209 yes
40 TEJADA Harold 207 yes
41 CAVAGNA Rémi 199 -
42 PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan 199 -
43 SKJELMOSE Mattias 192 yes
44 WELLENS Tim 190 yes
45 WÆRENSKJOLD Søren 178 yes
46 VAN WILDER Ilan 176 yes
47 BJERG Mikkel 174 -
48 BETTIOL Alberto 174 -
49 ZIJLAARD Maikel 172 -
50 ONLEY Oscar 170 yes

General classification after stage 4.

Rnk. Rider Team Time

1 VAN DER POEL Mathieu Alpecin - Deceuninck 16:46:00
2 POGAČAR Tadej UAE Team Emirates - XRG ,,
3 VINGEGAARD Jonas Team Visma | Lease a Bike 0:08
4 JORGENSON Matteo Team Visma | Lease a Bike 0:19
5 VAUQUELIN Kévin Arkéa - B&B Hotels 0:26
6 MAS Enric Movistar Team 0:48
7 ONLEY Oscar Team Picnic PostNL 0:55
8 ALMEIDA João UAE Team Emirates - XRG ,,
9 EVENEPOEL Remco Soudal Quick-Step 0:58
10 SKJELMOSE Mattias Lidl - Trek 1:02
11 JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland Uno-X Mobility 1:17
12 PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team 1:25
13 ROGLIČ Primož Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 1:27
14 HIRSCHI Marc Tudor Pro Cycling Team 1:30
15 BLACKMORE Joseph Israel - Premier Tech 1:41
16 MARTIN Guillaume Groupama - FDJ 1:49
17 BUITRAGO Santiago Bahrain - Victorious ,,
18 BERCKMOES Jenno Lotto ,,
19 GALL Felix Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team ,,
20 LIPOWITZ Florian Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe ,,
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I always **** the bed on the TT.
 
Nick Vermeil said:
BobbyLayne said:
Career top-10 percentage in time trials for competitors

# Rider Top-10s TT Starts %

1 EVENEPOEL Remco 41 44 93.2%
2 ALMEIDA João 40 54 74.1%
3 ROGLIČ Primož 54 73 74.0%
4 POGAČAR Tadej 28 38 73.7%
5 VAN AERT Wout 28 39 71.8%
6 WÆRENSKJOLD Søren 21 30 70.0%
7 FOSS Tobias 31 47 66.0%
8 AFFINI Edoardo 37 60 61.7%
9 VAUQUELIN Kévin 19 31 61.3%
10 CAMPENAERTS Victor 53 92 57.6%
11 SCHACHMANN Maximilian 42 75 56.0%
12 ASGREEN Kasper 42 75 56.0%
13 VINGEGAARD Jonas 22 41 53.7%
14 SKJELMOSE Mattias 17 32 53.1%
15 DURBRIDGE Luke 51 101 50.5%
16 THOMAS Geraint 67 133 50.4%
17 ROMEO Iván 13 26 50.0%
18 VAN WILDER Ilan 17 35 48.6%
19 CATTANEO Mattia 36 79 45.6%
20 WATSON Samuel 10 22 45.5%

Riders with more than 10 ITT-result

Which riders are present at Tour de France from the top of the PCS time trial ranking?

# Rider Points Present

1 EVENEPOEL Remco 876 yes
2 TARLING Joshua 790 -
3 VINE Jay 721 -
4 AFFINI Edoardo 642 yes
5 KÜNG Stefan 639 -
6 GANNA Filippo 612 -
7 ALMEIDA João 576 yes
8 VINGEGAARD Jonas 460 yes
9 BISSEGGER Stefan 459 -
10 ROGLIČ Primož 440 yes
11 VACEK Mathias 424 -
12 HAYTER Ethan 420 -
13 MCNULTY Brandon 414 -
14 CATTANEO Mattia 406 yes
15 SCHACHMANN Maximilian 390 yes
16 VAN AERT Wout 378 yes
17 HOOLE Daan 377 -
18 POGAČAR Tadej 370 yes
19 GEE Derek 327 -
20 TIBERI Antonio 315 -
21 ARMIRAIL Bruno 312 yes
22 FOSS Tobias 296 yes
23 CAMPENAERTS Victor 280 yes
24 ROMEO Iván 275 yes
25 BARONCINI Filippo 265 -
26 GUERNALEC Thibault 258 -
27 VAUQUELIN Kévin 255 yes
28 AYUSO Juan 242 -
29 PEDERSEN Mads 240 -
30 SHEFFIELD Magnus 238 -
31 VLASOV Aleksandr 238 yes
32 SCHMID Mauro 236 yes
33 LIPOWITZ Florian 236 yes
34 ASGREEN Kasper 236 yes
35 OLIVEIRA Nelson 234 yes
36 SEGAERT Alec 232 -
37 JORGENSON Matteo 230 yes
38 GROßSCHARTNER Felix 229 -
39 GARCÍA PIERNA Raúl 209 yes
40 TEJADA Harold 207 yes
41 CAVAGNA Rémi 199 -
42 PRICE-PEJTERSEN Johan 199 -
43 SKJELMOSE Mattias 192 yes
44 WELLENS Tim 190 yes
45 WÆRENSKJOLD Søren 178 yes
46 VAN WILDER Ilan 176 yes
47 BJERG Mikkel 174 -
48 BETTIOL Alberto 174 -
49 ZIJLAARD Maikel 172 -
50 ONLEY Oscar 170 yes

General classification after stage 4.

Rnk. Rider Team Time

1 VAN DER POEL Mathieu Alpecin - Deceuninck 16:46:00
2 POGAČAR Tadej UAE Team Emirates - XRG ,,
3 VINGEGAARD Jonas Team Visma | Lease a Bike 0:08
4 JORGENSON Matteo Team Visma | Lease a Bike 0:19
5 VAUQUELIN Kévin Arkéa - B&B Hotels 0:26
6 MAS Enric Movistar Team 0:48
7 ONLEY Oscar Team Picnic PostNL 0:55
8 ALMEIDA João UAE Team Emirates - XRG ,,
9 EVENEPOEL Remco Soudal Quick-Step 0:58
10 SKJELMOSE Mattias Lidl - Trek 1:02
11 JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland Uno-X Mobility 1:17
12 PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team 1:25
13 ROGLIČ Primož Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 1:27
14 HIRSCHI Marc Tudor Pro Cycling Team 1:30
15 BLACKMORE Joseph Israel - Premier Tech 1:41
16 MARTIN Guillaume Groupama - FDJ 1:49
17 BUITRAGO Santiago Bahrain - Victorious ,,
18 BERCKMOES Jenno Lotto ,,
19 GALL Felix Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team ,,
20 LIPOWITZ Florian Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe ,,
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I always **** the bed on the TT.
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Well you might end up 1st and 2nd tomorrow so how bad can it be?

My guys are ranked 1st-4th-5th-12th-15th-26th

Only the Top 20 gets Velogame points; I think a lot of guys have 4-5 TT specialists on their squad
 
Stage 4 was a lot of fun to watch after Tadej hit the gas - that was quite a final group.

How good is Jorgenson? I want him to be really good and am convincing myself he's like the 5th best stage racer.
 
Tick said:
Stage 4 was a lot of fun to watch after Tadej hit the gas - that was quite a final group.

How good is Jorgenson? I want him to be really good and am convincing myself he's like the 5th best stage racer.
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He's pretty good, but we may never know his ceiling because his main job is to protect Jonas. He is under contract with Visma | lease a bike through 2029.

He's finished 30th and 12th in the WR the last two seasons, 25th in the current season. For context, Sepp Kuss best seasons were 67th, 53rd and 21st.

By specialty, he is the 12th highest ranked GC guy in this year's tour, 16th best Climber, and 22nd best Time Trialer. GC Kuss was rarely a thing because he was never very good in the latter. I think Matteo is a clear Tier or two below Pogi, Jonas and Remco, and it's tempting to say there are at least 10 GC more guys who could beat him 1 v 1 in a stage. Probably....we don't know because he isn't given the freedom to pursue those ambitions. He won Paris-Nice last year versus a strong field and finished 2nd (by 8 seconds) in the Dauphine, and 8th in GC at the TdF.

I've seen long form interviews with him and he's a pretty chill kid (26 y.o.) with an amazing outlook. Always hope the best for him, seems like a good dude.
 
After watching the intro today I'm convinced the UCI is rolling dice to determine who gets yellow cards. Ed Teuns getting one was a joke. Otherwise my guys are still 1-2-4-5-6 on GC, so hanging in pretty well. I don't expect that tomorrow - Remco will be in the top 3 GC tomorrow. Book it.

Oh, and this Onley kid is pretty damn good.
 

🔥 Stage 5 TT Velogames — Ranked & Roasted​

RankTeamEst. PointsComments
1Cheesypoof1102The TT dream team with Evenepoel and Pogačar strapped on rocket boosters. Everyone else is just chasing their dust — bring sunglasses!
2Da Raiders1086Featuring the dynamic duo of Evenepoel and Pogačar, this team’s gonna turn the TT into a demolition derby. The rest? They might as well be on tricycles.
3Bain and Company1068Roglič, Evenepoel, Vingegaard — basically the Avengers of TT. Everyone else looks like they showed up to a gunfight with a butterknife.
4Nick Vermeil1024Loaded with top guns, but Van Der Poel’s “maybe I care” vibe could cost them. Their weaker riders will be waving the white flag halfway through.
5Forzashels996Van Aert + Pogačar? If he’s not napping, they’re dangerous. Otherwise, their mid-packers will be begging for a tailwind and some mercy.
6Sand990Decent depth but mostly climbers trying to figure out why they’re pedaling so hard without a mountain in sight. Expect some sputtering.
7Corporation950Half their team looks like they bike uphill for fun. This TT might be their first time pedaling straight — send help!
8Sammy928Pogačar and Almeida are carrying a bunch of slowpokes who will be Googling “how to draft invisible pelotons” on their phones.
9ChemX896Affini’s their only hope. The rest? They’ll be riding so slow, roadside fans will start offering them snacks just to keep moving.
10Ultimate A$$-whooping Ensemble870Great name, terrible TT team. Mostly climbers who think aero helmets are a fashion statement. Spoiler: they’re not.
11BrettDJ838Jorgenson and Jungels can TT, but the rest look like they’d struggle to keep up on a stationary bike. Somebody get these guys a scooter!
12ChatGPT Trained by BassNBrew822Pogačar and Roglič try to drag this cast of slowpokes, but they’ll be outpaced by race marshals handing out cones.

🔥 Commentary​



  • Cheesypoof will rocket ahead with a TT lineup so sharp it could cut glass. The others? They’ll just be catching flies in the wind.

  • Da Raiders might actually set a pace so fast, some riders will be petitioning to rename the stage “The Chase for Sanity.”

  • Bain and Company basically brought the nuclear option; the rest might as well have stayed home and watched it on TV.

  • Nick Vermeil's squad will have a wildcard energy drink… and a bunch of riders looking like they forgot how to pedal efficiently.

  • Forzashels is a tale of two teams: elite TT stars and their unfortunate teammates who are gonna learn the hard way what "flat" means.

  • Sand and Corporation should probably carry a sag wagon just in case their riders’ legs give out from sheer confusion.

  • Sammy will have two riders in the top 10 and a parade of slowpokes trailing behind like a bad soap opera.

  • ChemX will need roadside assistance — or maybe just a good podcast to pass the time while watching the clock tick by.

  • Ultimate A$$-whooping Ensemble sounds like they came for a BBQ, not a race. Hope they brought the potato salad, ‘cause they won’t be winning anything here.

  • BrettDJ — it’s like watching a group of cyclists who accidentally showed up to a car race. They’ll need some serious “go faster” lessons.

  • And ChatGPT Trained by BassNBrew… well, Pogačar and Roglič can’t carry that many dead weights without their bikes turning into coffins.
 
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