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Dropouts per year due to Crashes
  • 2022 9
  • 2023 17
  • 2024 5
  • 2025 11

Average speeds (rounded) per stage
  1. 47.576
  2. 43.916
  3. 41.64
  4. 45.348
  5. 53.951 (ITT)
  6. 45.767
  7. 48.117
  8. 44.629
  9. 50.013
  10. 38.134
  11. 48.016
Average speed per stage (44.988) ss been higher than any other year in the JV/TP era (2021-24)


Highest tops in this Tour de France:

# Climb Top (mtr) Stage

1 Col de la Loze - Souvenir Henri Desgrange 2275 Stage 18
2 Col du Tourmalet - Souvenir Jacques Goddet 2084 Stage 14
3 La Plagne 2015 Stage 19
4 Col de la Madeleine 1984 Stage 18
5 Cormet de Roselend 1963 Stage 19
6 Col du Glandon 1903 Stage 18
7 Mont Ventoux 1831 Stage 16
8 Luchon-Superbagnères 1755 Stage 14
9 Col du Pré 1735 Stage 19
10 Col des Saisies 1656 Stage 19
11 Col de Peyresourde 1572 Stage 14
12 Peyragudes 1522 Stage 13 (ITT)
13 Hautacam 1495 Stage 12
14 Col d'Aspin 1475 Stage 14
15 Col du Soulor 1461 Stage 12
16 Col de la Croix Saint-Robert 1446 Stage 10
17 Col de la Croix Morand 1384 Stage 10
18 Le Mont-Dore 1288 Stage 10
19 Col de Guéry 1263 Stage 10
20 Col des Bordères 1157 Stage 12

There are 3794 vertical meters (12,448') today. There are 4 stages with more vertical meters (10, 14, 18, 19.)


The climbs today.

KM Climb Length Avg. %

91.1 Côte de Labatmale 1.3 6.8 Cat 4
Intermediate Sprint
134 Col du Soulor 11.8 7.6 Cat 1
145.7 Col des Bordères 3.3 8.1 Cat 2
180.6 Hautacam 13.5 7.9 HC


Number of stages with an uphill finish per year.
Year Stages
2025 10
2024 6
2023 6
2022 11
2021 5


Overview of the jersey wearers.

Jersey Rider

GC HEALY Ben
Points MILAN Jonathan
Youth EVENEPOEL Remco*
KOM MARTINEZ Lenny
* doesn't lead the classification


General classification after stage 11.

Rnk. Rider Team Time

1 HEALY Ben EF Education - EasyPost 41:01:13
2 POGAČAR Tadej UAE Team Emirates - XRG 0:29
3 EVENEPOEL Remco Soudal Quick-Step 1:29
4 VINGEGAARD Jonas Team Visma | Lease a Bike 1:46
5 JORGENSON Matteo Team Visma | Lease a Bike 2:06
6 VAUQUELIN Kévin Arkéa - B&B Hotels 2:26
7 ONLEY Oscar Team Picnic PostNL 3:24
8 LIPOWITZ Florian Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 3:34
9 ROGLIČ Primož Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 3:41
10 JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland Uno-X Mobility 5:03
11 GALL Felix Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team 5:38
12 RODRÍGUEZ Carlos INEOS Grenadiers 5:44
13 MAS Enric Movistar Team 5:56
14 JEGAT Jordan Team TotalEnergies 6:32
15 MARTIN Guillaume Groupama - FDJ 10:44
16 NARVÁEZ Jhonatan UAE Team Emirates - XRG 11:29
17 O'CONNOR Ben Team Jayco AlUla 11:50
18 SKJELMOSE Mattias Lidl - Trek 12:45
19 GRÉGOIRE Romain Groupama - FDJ 15:15
20 BUCHMANN Emanuel Cofidis 15:41


Stage winners so far.

Stage Rider Team

11 ABRAHAMSEN Jonas Uno-X Mobility
10 YATES Simon Team Visma | Lease a Bike
9 MERLIER Tim (2) Soudal Quick-Step
8 MILAN Jonathan Lidl - Trek
7 POGAČAR Tadej (2) UAE Team Emirates - XRG
6 HEALY Ben EF Education - EasyPost
5 EVENEPOEL Remco Soudal Quick-Step
4 POGAČAR Tadej UAE Team Emirates - XRG
3 MERLIER Tim Soudal Quick-Step
2 VAN DER POEL Mathieu Alpecin - Deceuninck
1 PHILIPSEN Jasper Alpecin - Deceuninck


Stage 12 preview from r/Peloton

Weather

30°C at the start, 25°C in the mountains, sunny, super weak North wind

Stage Breakdown

Hello everyone and welcome to the twelfth stgae of the Tour de France

After an hectic day (apparently, I was half alseep for like the middle 60km lol), the riders will finally get a taste of the mountains.

As usual with the Pyrénées, the big cities are pretty far from the mountains so the run-in is longggggggggggggggggggggg. We start in Auch, and we have about 120km of flat before we get to the foot of the Soulor. It's not all flat, there are some bumps here ans there, sort of similar to the first part of today's stage actually. In this there is a Cat 4 and the IS, so expect Trek and Wanty to go all in for the break for their boys because they won't be able to control.

After that, the Soulor, nothing crazy but a nice little entrée before the main dish later one, 11.8km at 7.3%. Descent isn't straight up down, there are some bumps here and there including the Col de Bordières along the way. At the bottom of the descent, it's straight up into Hautacam.

What is Hautacam? 13.5km at 7.8%, infamous for maybe the most surreal performance in the history of the sport, when Bjarne Riis, aka mr 60%, trashed everyone on his way up in 1996 in what is probably the pinnacle of the high EPO era. History hasn't been kind to this climb with Armstrong doing an incredible performance up there in 2000 and a Saunier Duval ****show in 2008, 3 days before pulling out of the race due to the doping cases of Ricco and Piepoli. It also saw a duel between Pogacar and Vingegaard in 2022, won by Vingegaard with a stratospheric WVA that day.

With that in mind here are our predictions:

★★★ Pogacar

★★ Vingegaard

★ Evenepoel, Breakaway.

Despite what happened today, Pogacar enters the day as the big favourite over Vingegaard in regard of the whole season so far. Considering it is the first mountain stage, there is a real possibility Pogi wants it, or maybe he doesn't want to waste too much energy ahead of the TT, which would also make sense. Visma will surely want the stage victory, via Vingegaard or the break, they have plenty of options. Remco would need an alignment of the entire solar system for him to win but it's never 0%.

The big question really is, does Riis's time on Hautacam falls or not?

That's it for us, what is your prediction for the stage?
 
Nick Vermeil said:
BassNBrew said:
Quinn Simmons has turned into an absolute beast. Gonna be a heck of a classics rider. On the days he's not in the break, he's pulling the pelton.
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He and Onley have been the revelations of the tour to me.
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So many good young riders on the WT right now.

Youth Classification Standings:

Rnk Prev ▼▲ Rider Team Time

1 1 - Healy Ben EF Education - EasyPost 41:01:13
2 2 - Evenepoel Remco Soudal Quick-Step 1:29
3 3 - Vauquelin Kévin Arkéa - B&B Hotels 2:26
4 4 - Onley Oscar Team Picnic PostNL 3:24
5 5 - Lipowitz Florian Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 3:34
6 6 - Rodríguez Carlos INEOS Grenadiers 5:44
7 7 - Skjelmose Mattias Lidl - Trek 12:45
8 8 - Grégoire Romain Groupama - FDJ 15:15
9 9 - Blackmore Joseph Israel - Premier Tech 29:19
10 10 - Baudin Alex EF Education - EasyPost 30:20
11 13 ▲2 Simmons Quinn Lidl - Trek 35:20
12 12 - Van Wilder Ilan Soudal Quick-Step 37:42
13 14 ▲1 Laurance Axel INEOS Grenadiers 38:39
14 11 ▼3 Berckmoes Jenno Lotto 38:59
15 15 - van den Broek Frank Team Picnic PostNL 44:49
16 16 - Gachignard Thomas Team TotalEnergies 46:53
17 17 - Tronchon Bastien Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team 56:35
18 18 - Verstrynge Emiel Alpecin - Deceuninck 1:00:56
19 21 ▲2 Paret-Peintre Valentin Soudal Quick-Step 1:01:21
20 22 ▲2 Mayrhofer Marius Tudor Pro Cycling Team 1:01:58
21 19 ▼2 Le Berre Mathis Arkéa - B&B Hotels 1:03:56
22 20 ▼2 García Pierna Raúl Arkéa - B&B Hotels 1:05:19
23 23 - Andresen Tobias Lund Team Picnic PostNL 1:10:49
24 24 - Costiou Ewen Arkéa - B&B Hotels 1:14:33
25 27 ▲2 Pithie Laurence Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 1:14:45
26 25 ▼1 Martinez Lenny Bahrain - Victorious 1:14:51
27 26 ▼1 Castrillo Pablo Movistar Team 1:17:11
28 30 ▲2 Barré Louis Intermarché - Wanty 1:27:27
29 28 ▼1 Romeo Iván Movistar Team 1:29:25
30 29 ▼1 Nys Thibau Lidl - Trek 1:31:28
31 33 ▲2 Watson Samuel INEOS Grenadiers 1:37:33
32 31 ▼1 Penhoët Paul Groupama - FDJ 1:40:03
33 38 ▲5 Girmay Biniam Intermarché - Wanty 1:41:28
34 32 ▼2 Plapp Luke Team Jayco AlUla 1:41:33
35 43 ▲8 De Lie Arnaud Lotto 1:45:12
36 39 ▲3 Askey Lewis Groupama - FDJ 1:47:51
37 34 ▼3 Flynn Sean Team Picnic PostNL 1:48:00
38 35 ▼3 Bittner Pavel Team Picnic PostNL 1:48:32
39 36 ▼3 Fredheim Stian Uno-X Mobility 1:49:23
40 37 ▼3 Milan Jonathan Lidl - Trek 1:51:03
41 40 ▼1 Page Hugo Intermarché - Wanty 1:52:26
42 41 ▼1 Braet Vito Intermarché - Wanty 1:53:32
43 45 ▲2 van Dijke Mick Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe 1:55:06
44 42 ▼2 Van Eetvelt Lennert Lotto 1:57:47
45 44 ▼1 Fedorov Yevgeniy XDS Astana Team 2:00:52
46 46 - van Sintmaartensdijk Roel Intermarché - Wanty 2:09:10
47 47 - Vercher Mattéo Team TotalEnergies 2:14:38
 
DA RAIDERS said:
For the record, roglic is not on my team. Lipo is though! :pickle:
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Sorry man. Wish there was an easy way to pull all the rosters. Also my betting odds for this stage were taking me to stage 7. Anyone have an easy way to pull all the roosters?
 
Looks like the sprinters teams could hold this together today for quite awhile if they want to play at KM 95.
 
Situation



  • 1
    BREAK
    +0:00
    • 1

      7
      WELLENS Tim

      +52:51
    • 2

      13
      BENOOT Tiesj

      +23:57
    • 3

      26
      SCHACHMANN Maximilian

      +55:33
    • 4

      36
      SWEENY Harry

      +43:16
    • 5

      42
      BARRÉ Louis

      +1:27:27
    • 6

      45
      REX Laurenz

      +1:51:27
    • 7

      51
      BUITRAGO Santiago

      +1:08:45
    • 8

      55
      MARTINEZ Lenny

      +1:14:51
    • 9

      57
      STANNARD Robert

      +1:26:42
    • 10

      58
      WRIGHT Fred

      +1:17:20
    • 11

      62
      ARENSMAN Thymen

      +22:06
    • 12

      63
      FOSS Tobias

      +1:05:14
    • 13

      65
      LAURANCE Axel

      +38:39
    • 14

      66
      RODRÍGUEZ Carlos

      +5:44
    • 15

      67
      SWIFT Connor

      +1:25:11
    • 16

      75
      PITHIE Laurence

      +1:14:45
    • 17

      78
      VLASOV Aleksandr

      +38:38
    • 18

      83
      NYS Thibau

      +1:31:28
    • 19

      85
      SKJELMOSE Mattias

      +12:45
    • 20

      88
      THEUNS Edward

      +2:01:40
    • 21

      91
      MARTIN Guillaume

      +10:44
    • 22

      95
      MADOUAS Valentin

      +23:28
    • 23

      97
      PENHOËT Paul

      +1:40:03
    • 24

      106
      VAN DER POEL Mathieu

      +25:11
    • 25

      111
      ALAPHILIPPE Julian

      +52:01
    • 26

      114
      HIRSCHI Marc

      +1:04:14
    • 27

      117
      STORER Michael

      +1:10:49
    • 28

      118
      TRENTIN Matteo

      +1:02:51
    • 29

      121
      O'CONNOR Ben

      +11:50
    • 30

      123
      DURBRIDGE Luke

      +1:55:07
    • 31

      128
      SCHMID Mauro

      +1:02:09
    • 32

      135
      GARCÍA PIERNA Raúl

      +1:05:19
    • 33

      138
      VENTURINI Clément

      +33:43
    • 34

      143
      CASTRILLO Pablo

      +1:17:11
    • 35

      147
      ROMEO Iván

      +1:29:25
    • 36

      148
      RUBIO Einer

      +1:20:43
    • 37

      152
      ARMIRAIL Bruno

      +1:07:52
    • 38

      156
      PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien

      +41:01
    • 39

      161
      BUCHMANN Emanuel

      +15:41
    • 40

      163
      COQUARD Bryan

      +1:19:21
    • 41

      164
      IZAGIRRE Ion

      +1:08:47
    • 42

      166
      TEUNS Dylan

      +1:04:42
    • 43

      171
      TEJADA Harold

      +1:09:08
    • 44

      178
      VELASCO Simone

      +44:19
    • 45

      181
      CRAS Steff

      +37:45
    • 46

      184
      GACHIGNARD Thomas

      +46:53
    • 47

      187
      TURGIS Anthony

      +1:26:56
    • 48

      201
      WOODS Michael

      +1:08:36
    • 49

      203
      BLACKMORE Joseph

      +29:19
    • 50

      206
      LUTSENKO Alexey

      +1:05:25
    • 51

      214
      DRIZNERS Jarrad

      +1:57:02
    • 52

      224
      FREDHEIM Stian

      +1:49:23
  • P
    PELOTON
    +1:55
 
BassNBrew said:
Confused52 riders up the road. No break points today.
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:confused:

We’re 34 km in from halfway

Breakaway Points

Breakaway points are awarded to riders who are in the lead break at 50% distance through the stage. A breakaway is defined as a group of 30 riders or less, with a measurable gap of five seconds to any groups behind them.
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50% is 90.3 km

Côte de Labatmale (1.3 km à 6.8%) is 91.1 km

Intermediate Sprint is 95.1 km
 
Fastest first hours of racing this Tour de France:

STAGE SPEED IN FIRST HOUR

Stage 7 53.7
Stage 12 51.8
Stage 11 51.3
Stage 6 49.6
Stage 2 45.8
Stage 9 44.8
Stage 4 44.7
Stage 1 44.7
Stage 8 42.0
Stage 10 40.1
Stage 3 36.8
 
BobbyLayne said:
BassNBrew said:
Confused52 riders up the road. No break points today.
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:confused:

We’re 34 km in from halfway

Breakaway Points

Breakaway points are awarded to riders who are in the lead break at 50% distance through the stage. A breakaway is defined as a group of 30 riders or less, with a measurable gap of five seconds to any groups behind them.
Click to expand...

50% is 90.3 km

Côte de Labatmale (1.3 km à 6.8%) is 91.1 km

Intermediate Sprint is 95.1 km
Click to expand...

NARRATOR: In fact, no breakaway points were awarded because none of the riders attacked during the Cat 4 climb
 
15 badass climbers still in the break

Situation​


 
Matteo Jorgeson struggling to hold the wheel

I got 3 of the Top 11 so should get some KOM today

38 year old Michael Woods masterclass on the first big climb
 
Armirail killing it today

he & Storer racking up points for Big Romunging

3rd + 4th on the Cat 1 KOM
1st + 3rd on the Cat 2 KOM

4th + 6th in the Polka Dot standings
 
Situation
1
POGAČAR
+0:00
11POGAČAR Tadej+0:29
2
+0:31
111VINGEGAARD Jonas+1:46
3
+0:48
172LIPOWITZ Florian+3:34
2221JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland+5:03
4
+0:54
171ROGLIČ Primož+3:41
2191ONLEY Oscar+3:24
5
GROUP EVENEPOEL
+1:15
121EVENEPOEL Remco+1:29
6
YELLOW JERSEY GROUP
+5:52
131HEALY Ben
 
Last riders to accumulate a total of 20 stage wins in Tour de France.

YEAR RIDER

2025 POGAČAR Tadej
2011 CAVENDISH Mark
1982 HINAULT Bernard
1972 MERCKX Eddy
1963 DARRIGADE André
1932 LEDUCQ André
1929 FRANTZ Nicolas
 
BassNBrew said:
Visma MIA today.
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With Matteo saying he knew he was on a bad day, I'm not really sure why they contributed to pace setting That was a masterclass by UAE and Tadej. Drop Wellens for the 20km leading to Hautacam, good communication between Yates and Navarez to tell Navarez to go, and then pop. Navarez was already riding Jonas off Tadej's wheel before he pulled off.

If Tadej is truly 7-10 seconds per km climbing, well, there isn't anything anyone else can do.
 
Pogi now 24th all time in wins (102) and 14th in GT Stage wins (29)

He’s 26

Historically GC riders peak production is the age 27, 28 & 29 seasons
 
Stage 12

1
676
Forcats de la Route
ForzaShels
2
664
Armstrong’s Needle
Da Raiders
3
566
Mr. Spoke
Chemical Xtalian
4
566
Sand`s Saddle Sores
Bain & Company
5
560
AI Overlords Control the Peloton
ChatGPT Trained by BassNBrew
6
534
The French Mistake
Sand
7
510
sammy`s gruppetto
sammy3469
8
501
RB Brownwings WGUAFC
Jaysus
9
500
Squeaky Wheels
Cheeseypoof
10
491
FBG Corporation
Michael Cooley
11
479
Spokes ‘N Tokes
Nick Vermeil
12
445
Ultimate A$$-whooping Ensemble
BassNBrew2
13
439
Boerum Hill Big Ringing
BobbyLayne
14
395
Late to the party
Brettdj

Overall Race

1
5903
The French Mistake
Sand
2
5731
sammy`s gruppetto
sammy3469
3
4982
Forcats de la Route
ForzaShels
4
4766
Spokes ‘N Tokes
Nick Vermeil
5
4755
RB Brownwings WGUAFC
Jaysus
6
4580
Squeaky Wheels
Cheeseypoof
7
4305
Armstrong’s Needle
Da Raiders
8
4185
AI Overlords Control the Peloton
ChatGPT Trained by BassNBrew
9
4154
Sand`s Saddle Sores
Bain & Company
10
3995
Boerum Hill Big Ringing
BobbyLayne
11
3856
FBG Corporation
Michael Cooley
12
3534
Mr. Spoke
Chemical Xtalian
13
3514
Ultimate A$$-whooping Ensemble
BassNBrew2
14
3369
Late to the party
Brettdj

Stage Winners

Brettdj
Sand
Jaysus
Sammy3469
BobbyLayne
Sand (2)
Michael Cooley
ForzaShels
Jaysus (2)
BobbyLayne (2)
Sammy3469 (2)
ForzaShels (2)
 
Wow, Roglic rode well, moved up in GC position… and got surpassed on his team by Lipowitz and somehow looks further from the podium.

I wonder how much Lipowitz was riding for Roglic to this point and if he’d be closer to the podium if Roglic had been riding for Lipo instead.

Sorry to see Jorgenson fall off :-(

It’s interesting to see what happens to guys when they drop out of the peloton. Healy and Jorgenson fell way off while most of the nominal GC contenders kept up the fight for the podium.
 
Lipowitz shoul be the the leader he’s been barely ahead of roglic for a week. Tomorrow will clear things up. Unless it doesn’t. :lmao:
 
early Top Ten:

1 PLAPP Luke 24.58, 44 24.58,44 26.2
2 YATES Adam 0.17,18 25.15,62 25.9
3 MARTINEZ Lenny 0.23, 49 25.21,93 25.8
4 SWEENY Harry 0.55,13 25.53,57 25.3
5 ALAPHILIPPE Julian 1.04,84 26.03,28 25.1
6 ARMIRAIL Bruno 1.14,20 26.12,64 25
7 BUITRAGO Santiago 1.17,51 26.15,95 24.9
8 CHAMPOUSSIN Clément 1.22, 45 26.20,89 24.8
9 GRÉGOIRE Romain 1.29,46 26.27,90 24.7
10 PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien 1.34,82 26.33,26 24.6
 
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