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***Official 2025 Tour de France*** - Come Dope with Us! This Year Prizes!!! (3 Viewers)

Chemical X said:
i entered this thing. all names seem made up.
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Key & Peele need to do a UCI WT skit eh

Not on the startlist this week - more of a Classics rider - but whenever possible I try to get Taco van der Hoorn

Pairing Toms Skujiņš with either Dylan Teuns or Edward Theuns is another that is hard to resist
 
Chemical X said:
BobbyLayne said:
Chemical X said:
i entered this thing. all names seem made up.
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Key & Peele need to do a UCI WT skit eh

Not on the startlist this week - more of a Classics rider - but whenever possible I try to get Taco van der Hoorn

Pairing Toms Skujiņš with either Dylan Teuns or Edward Theuns is another that is hard to resist
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i know these words but, together, none make sense.
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It’s similar to my handicapping horse racing. Names are importanter
 
DA RAIDERS said:
:construction:

Having fun
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Looks like Velogames just updated the riders again, adding the last 15 since I left work

Startlist at PCS and the contest both have 175 riders - only two teams haven't finalized their squads

Alpecin - Deceuninck (4 riders) and EF Education - EasyPost (3 in, 5 TBD) still haven't announced their lineup, but the other 21 teams are complete
 
BobbyLayne said:
DA RAIDERS said:
:construction:

Having fun
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Looks like Velogames just updated the riders again, adding the last 15 since I left work

Startlist at PCS and the contest both have 175 riders - only two teams haven't finalized their squads

Alpecin - Deceuninck (4 riders) and EF Education - EasyPost (3 in, 5 TBD) still haven't announced their lineup, but the other 21 teams are complete
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Think INEOS Grenadiers are short 1 rider as well.
 
cheeseypoof said:
BobbyLayne said:
DA RAIDERS said:
:construction:

Having fun
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Looks like Velogames just updated the riders again, adding the last 15 since I left work

Startlist at PCS and the contest both have 175 riders - only two teams haven't finalized their squads

Alpecin - Deceuninck (4 riders) and EF Education - EasyPost (3 in, 5 TBD) still haven't announced their lineup, but the other 21 teams are complete
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Think INEOS Grenadiers are short 1 rider as well.
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Soudal Quick-Step has 9 riders

I know goal #1 is protect Remco but I don’t think that’s allowed
 
INEOS announced a new partner yesterday (AH-dee-dawz)

Team Visma Lease a Bike announced a new sponsor today, some small town sneaker company in Beaverton, OR

Come on UCI - you're never gonna reach F1 status if you keep chasing rinky dink shoe companies

:sarcasm:
 
Wild story I only learned about because of r/peloton:

Why 2025 Italian National Championships was pure ciclismo​


Yesterday, Filippo Conca and the Swatt Club won the 2025 Italian National Road Championship. I'd like to provide some context for non-Italian redditors who may not be familiar with Conca or his team:

  • Filippo Conca is 26 years old and raced professionally between 2021 and 2024 with Lotto and the Q36.5 Pro Cycling Team- both UCI ProTeams. At the end of his contract with Q36.5 last year, he couldn’t find a spot on another ProTeam and decided to continue racing with the Swatt Club.
  • Swatt Club originated in 2017 as a blog called Solowattaggio, covering cycling, skiing, triathlon, and other outdoor sports. From this media project, an amateur cycling team was born to allow members to compete in gran fondo events. In recent years, the movement has grown significantly, thanks in part to consistent social media presence and the sale of stylish, design-focused cycling apparel.
  • The team’s first steps toward professionalism came in 2024, when Asbjørn Hellemose - another rider left without a pro contract after his stint with Lidl-Trek - raced several events (mainly gravel) supported by Swatt Club. In 2025, Hellemose successfully returned to the WorldTour by signing with Team Jayco AlUla.
  • In 2025, the Swatt Club officially launched a club-level team, consisting of multiple athletes competing in UCI .2 races, both on the road and in gravel disciplines.
  • Five athletes raced yesterday’s national championship for Swatt Club: Filippo Conca, Mattia Gaffuri, Lorenzo Ginestra, Francesco Carollo, and Nicolò Petitti. The entire team performed impressively, with Gaffuri finishing fifth and four riders placing in the top 25.
  • You may have already heard of Mattia Gaffuri - he was a Zwift Academy finalist for the past two years. He's also active on social media and co-hosts a popular Italian podcast called Ciclismo KOMpetente (roughly translated as Cycling with KOMpetence) alongside Luca Vergallito, who won the 2023 Zwift Academy and now rides for Alpecin-Deceuninck's WorldTour team. Both are graduates in Sports Science, and their podcast discusses athletic training, scientific literature, and features interviews with athletes across different sports. Gaffuri also works as a coach and trainer, supporting several Swatt Club athletes and others.
  • Acting as sports director for the Swatt Club during yesterday’s race was Giorgio Brambilla, a former professional cyclist and now one of the two hosts of GCN’s Italian-language channel.
  • The team competed in an all-white skinsuit called “papale” (a reference to the Pope’s attire), with no visible sponsors. While they do have some support - such as from Giant, Cadex, and Maurten- these names are absent from the kit. They raced on bikes equipped with Ultegra groupsets, and Conca reportedly used a fork from another rider’s bike - Namibian cyclist Alex Miller - as it was painted in the colors of the Namibian flag.
  • Over time, Swatt Club has built a large following in Italy, with many supporters enthusiastically backing their initiatives. The community has even contributed to the spread of inside jokes and unique terminology within Italian cycling culture.
  • The Swatt Club project is often polarizing, particularly within more traditional or conservative corners of the italian cycling community, where it challenges an outdated, almost prehistoric narrative of the sport.
 
BobbyLayne said:
Wild story I only learned about because of r/peloton:

Why 2025 Italian National Championships was pure ciclismo​


Yesterday, Filippo Conca and the Swatt Club won the 2025 Italian National Road Championship. I'd like to provide some context for non-Italian redditors who may not be familiar with Conca or his team:

  • Filippo Conca is 26 years old and raced professionally between 2021 and 2024 with Lotto and the Q36.5 Pro Cycling Team- both UCI ProTeams. At the end of his contract with Q36.5 last year, he couldn’t find a spot on another ProTeam and decided to continue racing with the Swatt Club.
  • Swatt Club originated in 2017 as a blog called Solowattaggio, covering cycling, skiing, triathlon, and other outdoor sports. From this media project, an amateur cycling team was born to allow members to compete in gran fondo events. In recent years, the movement has grown significantly, thanks in part to consistent social media presence and the sale of stylish, design-focused cycling apparel.
  • The team’s first steps toward professionalism came in 2024, when Asbjørn Hellemose - another rider left without a pro contract after his stint with Lidl-Trek - raced several events (mainly gravel) supported by Swatt Club. In 2025, Hellemose successfully returned to the WorldTour by signing with Team Jayco AlUla.
  • In 2025, the Swatt Club officially launched a club-level team, consisting of multiple athletes competing in UCI .2 races, both on the road and in gravel disciplines.
  • Five athletes raced yesterday’s national championship for Swatt Club: Filippo Conca, Mattia Gaffuri, Lorenzo Ginestra, Francesco Carollo, and Nicolò Petitti. The entire team performed impressively, with Gaffuri finishing fifth and four riders placing in the top 25.
  • You may have already heard of Mattia Gaffuri - he was a Zwift Academy finalist for the past two years. He's also active on social media and co-hosts a popular Italian podcast called Ciclismo KOMpetente (roughly translated as Cycling with KOMpetence) alongside Luca Vergallito, who won the 2023 Zwift Academy and now rides for Alpecin-Deceuninck's WorldTour team. Both are graduates in Sports Science, and their podcast discusses athletic training, scientific literature, and features interviews with athletes across different sports. Gaffuri also works as a coach and trainer, supporting several Swatt Club athletes and others.
  • Acting as sports director for the Swatt Club during yesterday’s race was Giorgio Brambilla, a former professional cyclist and now one of the two hosts of GCN’s Italian-language channel.
  • The team competed in an all-white skinsuit called “papale” (a reference to the Pope’s attire), with no visible sponsors. While they do have some support - such as from Giant, Cadex, and Maurten- these names are absent from the kit. They raced on bikes equipped with Ultegra groupsets, and Conca reportedly used a fork from another rider’s bike - Namibian cyclist Alex Miller - as it was painted in the colors of the Namibian flag.
  • Over time, Swatt Club has built a large following in Italy, with many supporters enthusiastically backing their initiatives. The community has even contributed to the spread of inside jokes and unique terminology within Italian cycling culture.
  • The Swatt Club project is often polarizing, particularly within more traditional or conservative corners of the italian cycling community, where it challenges an outdated, almost prehistoric narrative of the sport.
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Sand said:
Wout turns up sick and pulls out of Belgian championships. Hopefully recovers for the tour.

www.cyclingnews.com

Wout van Aert pulls out of nationals with illness one week away from Tour de France

Belgian 'not feeling 100% fit' so will not race in Binche
www.cyclingnews.com www.cyclingnews.com
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Apparently there's sick, and then there's I don't want to race the Belgian championship because I'm riding the Tour next week "sick". The Belgians force everyone to race the championship unless you have a good reason.
 
Most KMs this season

The number of KMs each competitor has raced before the start of the 112th Tour de France:

Rnk Rider KMs

1 MÄRKL Niklas 8319
2 PACHER Quentin 7639
3 VELASCO Simone 7404
4 THOMAS Benjamin 7188
5 LIENHARD Fabian 7075
6 YATES Adam 6909
7 DELETTRE Alexandre 6870
8 ARENSMAN Thymen 6778
9 STORER Michael 6749
10 GARCÍA CORTINA Iván 6734
11 REINDERS Elmar 6644
12 RUSSO Clément 6637
13 BARTHE Cyril 6587
14 COQUARD Bryan 6544
15 ANDRESEN Tobias Lund 6477
16 MADOUAS Valentin 6461
17 ASGREEN Kasper 6441
18 JEGAT Jordan 6355
19 CATTANEO Mattia 6296
20 IZAGIRRE Ion 6172
21 BITTNER Pavel 6121
22 VAN AERT Wout 6094
23 VERCHER Mattéo 6091
24 LE BERRE Mathis 6086
25 RUBIO Einer 6057
26 VAUQUELIN Kévin 6050
27 MEZGEC Luka 6049
28 ASKEY Lewis 6012
29 CHAMPOUSSIN Clément 6006
30 RUTSCH Jonas 5967
31 BRAET Vito 5961
32 MOSCON Gianni 5946
33 BARGUIL Warren 5915
34 SEPÚLVEDA Eduardo 5898
35 VAN DEN BROEK Frank 5887
36 LEKNESSUND Andreas 5844
37 GACHIGNARD Thomas 5818
38 POWLESS Neilson 5794
39 TEUNISSEN Mike 5778
40 SOLER Marc 5770
41 TOUZÉ Damien 5706
42 ZIMMERMANN Georg 5706
43 BISSEGGER Stefan 5687
44 VENTURINI Clément 5683
45 YATES Simon 5683
46 WRIGHT Fred 5670
47 MARTINEZ Lenny 5652
48 ONLEY Oscar 5646
49 SCOTSON Callum 5631
50 GRÉGOIRE Romain 5629
51 EENKHOORN Pascal 5623
52 POLITT Nils 5620
53 GROENEWEGEN Dylan 5595
54 ALMEIDA João 5592
55 FLYNN Sean 5552
56 GARCÍA PIERNA Raúl 5543
57 DE BUYST Jasper 5540
58 RENARD Alexis 5475
59 HAIG Jack 5462
60 FEDOROV Yevgeniy 5460
61 COSTIOU Ewen 5457
62 MARTIN Guillaume 5453
63 VAN POPPEL Danny 5450
64 MILAN Jonathan 5446
65 THEUNS Edward 5433
66 PENHOËT Paul 5428
67 ARANBURU Alex 5422
68 CAPIOT Amaury 5412
69 BARTA Will 5382
70 ARMIRAIL Bruno 5361
71 ALBANESE Vincenzo 5310
72 GRIGNARD Sébastien 5305
73 BARRÉ Louis 5246
74 AFFINI Edoardo 5220
75 RICKAERT Jonas 5207
76 LOUVEL Matis 5198
77 SCHMID Mauro 5195
78 SCHACHMANN Maximilian 5193
79 STUYVEN Jasper 5179
80 VAN MOER Brent 5158
81 TURGIS Anthony 5157
82 VAN WILDER Ilan 5116
83 BERTHET Clément 5099
84 BUCHMANN Emanuel 5098
85 JEANNIÈRE Emilien 5097
86 JOHANNESSEN Anders Halland 5087
87 DURBRIDGE Luke 5043
88 CASTRILLO Pablo 5013
89 OLIVEIRA Nelson 4966
90 SKUJIŅŠ Toms 4962
91 STEWART Jake 4953
92 ROMEO Iván 4931
93 MEURISSE Xandro 4889
94 HIRSCHI Marc 4849
95 TRONCHON Bastien 4842
96 SWEENY Harry 4837
97 NAESEN Oliver 4825
98 HALLER Marco 4814
99 PARET-PEINTRE Aurélien 4725
100 TEUNS Dylan 4706
101 BURGAUDEAU Mathieu 4701
102 MAS Enric 4689
103 VALGREN Michael 4682
104 O'CONNOR Ben 4672
105 DAINESE Alberto 4667
106 VLASOV Aleksandr 4651
107 ALAPHILIPPE Julian 4599
108 VERMEERSCH Gianni 4578
109 SIVAKOV Pavel 4573
110 BLACKMORE Joseph 4542
111 CORT Magnus 4510
112 HEALY Ben 4483
113 MÜHLBERGER Gregor 4480
114 STANNARD Robert 4471
115 FREDHEIM Stian 4429
116 THOMAS Geraint 4411
117 NARVÁEZ Jhonatan 4393
118 BENOOT Tiesj 4382
119 VAN LERBERGHE Bert 4379
120 RODRÍGUEZ Cristián 4345
121 REX Laurenz 4323
122 LUTSENKO Alexey 4312
123 MERLIER Tim 4247
124 GALL Felix 4217
125 FOSS Tobias 4213
126 VAN DIJKE Mick 4195
127 TEJADA Harold 4136
128 GANNA Filippo 4129
129 GROVES Kaden 4126
130 DÉMARE Arnaud 4111
131 GRADEK Kamil 4101
132 BOIVIN Guillaume 4038
133 JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland 4037
134 GIRMAY Biniam 4019
135 WELLENS Tim 3974
136 PHILIPSEN Jasper 3968
137 POGAČAR Tadej 3956
138 NABERMAN Tim 3926
139 HOELGAARD Markus 3876
140 MOHORIČ Matej 3849
141 WÆRENSKJOLD Søren 3799
142 PARET-PEINTRE Valentin 3754
143 HIGUITA Sergio 3723
144 JORGENSON Matteo 3680
145 VAN SINTMAARTENSDIJK Roel 3642
146 VERSTRYNGE Emiel 3629
147 BALLERINI Davide 3623
148 PAGE Hugo 3611
149 PITHIE Laurence 3606
150 MAYRHOFER Marius 3602
151 BAUHAUS Phil 3597
152 VAN DER POEL Mathieu 3572
153 CAMPENAERTS Victor 3537
154 LIPOWITZ Florian 3530
155 CONSONNI Simone 3506
156 DE LIE Arnaud 3476
157 VAN EETVELT Lennert 3449
158 DE PLUS Laurens 3433
159 DUNBAR Eddie 3384
160 DILLIER Silvan 3345
161 KUSS Sepp 3209
162 BAUDIN Alex 3116
163 ABRAHAMSEN Jonas 3114
164 NEILANDS Krists 3111
165 SIMMONS Quinn 3103
166 EVENEPOEL Remco 3019
167 TRENTIN Matteo 2976
168 BOL Cees 2883
169 BUITRAGO Santiago 2876
170 VAN DEN BERG Marijn 2821
171 RODRÍGUEZ Carlos 2791
172 BERCKMOES Jenno 2789
173 CRAS Steff 2569
174 PLAPP Luke 2519
175 NYS Thibau 2374
176 MEEUS Jordi 2285
177 VINGEGAARD Jonas 1948
178 ROGLIČ Primož 1841
179 SKJELMOSE Mattias 1832
180 DRIZNERS Jarrad 1551
181 KWIATKOWSKI Michał 1527
182 WOODS Michael 1516
183 ACKERMANN Pascal 721

bolded names are riders *I think* folks might be considering for their team

obviously a lot of riders you could put on your team that weren't bolded as well
 
BobbyLayne said:
Wild story I only learned about because of r/peloton:

Why 2025 Italian National Championships was pure ciclismo​


Yesterday, Filippo Conca and the Swatt Club won the 2025 Italian National Road Championship. I'd like to provide some context for non-Italian redditors who may not be familiar with Conca or his team:

  • Filippo Conca is 26 years old and raced professionally between 2021 and 2024 with Lotto and the Q36.5 Pro Cycling Team- both UCI ProTeams. At the end of his contract with Q36.5 last year, he couldn’t find a spot on another ProTeam and decided to continue racing with the Swatt Club.
  • Swatt Club originated in 2017 as a blog called Solowattaggio, covering cycling, skiing, triathlon, and other outdoor sports. From this media project, an amateur cycling team was born to allow members to compete in gran fondo events. In recent years, the movement has grown significantly, thanks in part to consistent social media presence and the sale of stylish, design-focused cycling apparel.
  • The team’s first steps toward professionalism came in 2024, when Asbjørn Hellemose - another rider left without a pro contract after his stint with Lidl-Trek - raced several events (mainly gravel) supported by Swatt Club. In 2025, Hellemose successfully returned to the WorldTour by signing with Team Jayco AlUla.
  • In 2025, the Swatt Club officially launched a club-level team, consisting of multiple athletes competing in UCI .2 races, both on the road and in gravel disciplines.
  • Five athletes raced yesterday’s national championship for Swatt Club: Filippo Conca, Mattia Gaffuri, Lorenzo Ginestra, Francesco Carollo, and Nicolò Petitti. The entire team performed impressively, with Gaffuri finishing fifth and four riders placing in the top 25.
  • You may have already heard of Mattia Gaffuri - he was a Zwift Academy finalist for the past two years. He's also active on social media and co-hosts a popular Italian podcast called Ciclismo KOMpetente (roughly translated as Cycling with KOMpetence) alongside Luca Vergallito, who won the 2023 Zwift Academy and now rides for Alpecin-Deceuninck's WorldTour team. Both are graduates in Sports Science, and their podcast discusses athletic training, scientific literature, and features interviews with athletes across different sports. Gaffuri also works as a coach and trainer, supporting several Swatt Club athletes and others.
  • Acting as sports director for the Swatt Club during yesterday’s race was Giorgio Brambilla, a former professional cyclist and now one of the two hosts of GCN’s Italian-language channel.
  • The team competed in an all-white skinsuit called “papale” (a reference to the Pope’s attire), with no visible sponsors. While they do have some support - such as from Giant, Cadex, and Maurten- these names are absent from the kit. They raced on bikes equipped with Ultegra groupsets, and Conca reportedly used a fork from another rider’s bike - Namibian cyclist Alex Miller - as it was painted in the colors of the Namibian flag.
  • Over time, Swatt Club has built a large following in Italy, with many supporters enthusiastically backing their initiatives. The community has even contributed to the spread of inside jokes and unique terminology within Italian cycling culture.
  • The Swatt Club project is often polarizing, particularly within more traditional or conservative corners of the italian cycling community, where it challenges an outdated, almost prehistoric narrative of the sport.
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is there a great translation app i can use to convert this post to english?
 
BobbyLayne said:
Most KMs this season

The number of KMs each competitor has raced before the start of the 112th Tour de France:



bolded names are riders *I think* folks might be considering for their team

obviously a lot of riders you could put on your team that weren't bolded as well
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153 CAMPENAERTS Victor 3537

CampinArts should always be bolded.
 
The composition of UAE is perfect for the mountain stages
  • Almeida might be the 3rd best climber in the Tour (ahead of Remco)
  • Polit and Soler will do most of the pulling to control the tempo
  • Sivakov will pull on the longer climbs
  • Narváez and Wellens to do explosive short burst 2-minute leadout to crack everyone else and launch Pogi on shorter climbs
The only thing they lack is horsepower in the flats. Almeida and Adam Yates have their ambitions but everyone knows why they are there - to support the best GC rider of this generation. Incredibly stacked.

Last year the floor for UAE riders assist points was around 370

Not sure we'll see Pogi win 6 stages again, though

BassNBrew said:
BobbyLayne said:
Most KMs this season

The number of KMs each competitor has raced before the start of the 112th Tour de France:



bolded names are riders *I think* folks might be considering for their team

obviously a lot of riders you could put on your team that weren't bolded as well
Click to expand...
153 CAMPENAERTS Victor 3537

CampinArts should always be bolded.
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obviously a lot of riders you could put on your team that weren't bolded as well

Won Stage last year & still a good time trial so guess you could add him for the one flat TT stage if you want the 3rd best time trialer from TVLaB
 
Chemical X said:
BobbyLayne said:
Chemical X said:
i entered this thing. all names seem made up.
Click to expand...

Key & Peele need to do a UCI WT skit eh

Not on the startlist this week - more of a Classics rider - but whenever possible I try to get Taco van der Hoorn

Pairing Toms Skujiņš with either Dylan Teuns or Edward Theuns is another that is hard to resist
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i know these words but, together, none make sense.
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He's just playing with his fancy keyboard.
 
DA RAIDERS said:
Current team has 4 ten pointers. I don’t like 2 of them. 😂
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Sounds about right - think there are 8 ten pointers & I wouldn’t take 4 of them

Six pointers are basically day 3 running backs

Bruh have you seen his tape, this guy is amazing!! I have…did you notice he was doing it against the future gym teachers of America??
 
TdF 6 credit riders by year:
  • 2025 - 102 / >600 pts - ? / >400 points ??
  • 2024 - 104 / >600 pts - 3 / >400 points - 11
  • 2023 - 78 / >600 pts - 3 / >400 points - 9
6 credit riders >600 points - 3.30%
6 credit riders >400 points - 10.99%
 
BobbyLayne said:
2025 TdF watch score

Brief description of each stage + watchability score in a calendar format
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If you like classics, my guess is the first week produces a fairly unforgettable stage at some point. A bunch of the stages set up for the real strong guys to put on a show especially if Alpecin decide the parcours set up for MvdP to go for green instead of Phillipsen.

I know @BassNBrew was sort of jesting about the Tadej 7 stage thing, but between the classic stages and the way Visma is going to have to ride in the mountains (assuming he doesn't crack), it's entirely possible. Heck all things being equal and if they really rode it, he's probably second favorite in the Paris stage. His peloton positioning and general tactical awareness are both reasons all these GC guys should be at least riding some of the classics. You know he'll be there if stages 2,4,6, or 7 just explode and he'll be on MdvP's wheel, the best you can say for Jonas is Van Aert will try to keep him in the right position. The other thing is if MvdP and Tadej ride off in one of these stages, Tadej has every incentive to ride with MdvP and give the stage to MdvP unlike some of the regular classics. It's possible (if they are in great form) those two win half the stages this year.
 
Sammy3469 said:
BobbyLayne said:
2025 TdF watch score

Brief description of each stage + watchability score in a calendar format
Click to expand...
If you like classics, my guess is the first week produces a fairly unforgettable stage at some point. A bunch of the stages set up for the real strong guys to put on a show especially if Alpecin decide the parcours set up for MvdP to go for green instead of Phillipsen.

I know @BassNBrew was sort of jesting about the Tadej 7 stage thing, but between the classic stages and the way Visma is going to have to ride in the mountains (assuming he doesn't crack), it's entirely possible. Heck all things being equal and if they really rode it, he's probably second favorite in the Paris stage. His peloton positioning and general tactical awareness are both reasons all these GC guys should be at least riding some of the classics. You know he'll be there if stages 2,4,6, or 7 just explode and he'll be on MdvP's wheel, the best you can say for Jonas is Van Aert will try to keep him in the right position. The other thing is if MvdP and Tadej ride off in one of these stages, Tadej has every incentive to ride with MdvP and give the stage to MdvP unlike some of the regular classics. It's possible (if they are in great form) those two win half the stages this year.
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I actually think Tadej has a chance to capture points + GC, like he already did in 2020 (+ Youth.) The fastest sprinters often can’t climb, and this TdF has a lot of punchy stages 1-9.

Merckx is the only guy to capture Yellow, Green & Polka Dot (1969) in the same year.
 
Sammy3469 said:
The other thing is if MvdP and Tadej ride off in one of these stages, Tadej has every incentive to ride with MdvP and give the stage to MdvP unlike some of the regular classics. It's possible (if they are in great form) those two win half the stages this year.
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This is looney tunes.

Yet again, I've proven (with ample evidence) to be a moron when it comes to these things.
 
Sand said:
Sammy3469 said:
The other thing is if MvdP and Tadej ride off in one of these stages, Tadej has every incentive to ride with MdvP and give the stage to MdvP unlike some of the regular classics. It's possible (if they are in great form) those two win half the stages this year.
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This is looney tunes.

Yet again, I've proven (with ample evidence) to be a moron when it comes to these things.
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I think Tadej has 17 TdF stage wins since 2020.

MvdP has 2 GT stage wins (1 TdF) in his career.

Which is not meant to disparage the Dutchman. I’ve never quite understood why his lack of GT focus is a pejorative. Does anyone ever say Pogi is incomplete as a rider because he hasn’t won on gravel or doesn’t ride cyclocross? Of course not.

His place is history and his placement as one of the best cyclist of this generation is secure. 8 Monuments, the only rider in cycling history to be Men's World Champion in three different cycling disciplines, been part of some of the greatest rivalries in the past decade.

All that said, Week 1 does look pretty juicy for Mathieu.
 
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