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[larry_boy_44]

so a Microsoft Exec today said they see the next gen of consoles selling over 1 billion consoles... Then cites that each generation has sold 30% more than the previous and the last one sold about 300 M units...

Thoughts?

Sounds like they are relying pretty heavily on other countries that they leave out with most of their features.

That was kind of the reaction I was seeing. Basically a "why would XBox care? They only sell in America..." reaction.

 

[Worm]

so a Microsoft Exec today said they see the next gen of consoles selling over 1 billion consoles... Then cites that each generation has sold 30% more than the previous and the last one sold about 300 M units...

Thoughts?

This pairs with their "all in one" entertainment box, instead of just a "gaming" box.

There's no way the next gen sells a billion gaming boxes... but, all in one TV/internet/movie/gaming box? Maybe.

eta - as you say, not sure how that transitions to other countries

 

[SlaX]

so a Microsoft Exec today said they see the next gen of consoles selling over 1 billion consoles... Then cites that each generation has sold 30% more than the previous and the last one sold about 300 M units...

Thoughts?

This pairs with their "all in one" entertainment box, instead of just a "gaming" box.

There's no way the next gen sells a billion gaming boxes... but, all in one TV/internet/movie/gaming box? Maybe.

eta - as you say, not sure how that transitions to other countries

Keep in mind, there are only a little over 300 million people in the US. 7 billion people in the world. So they expect 1 out of every 7 people in the world to own one of these. And here I thought it was only Facebook being delusional.

 

[larry_boy_44]

so a Microsoft Exec today said they see the next gen of consoles selling over 1 billion consoles... Then cites that each generation has sold 30% more than the previous and the last one sold about 300 M units...

Thoughts?

This pairs with their "all in one" entertainment box, instead of just a "gaming" box.

There's no way the next gen sells a billion gaming boxes... but, all in one TV/internet/movie/gaming box? Maybe.

eta - as you say, not sure how that transitions to other countries

I don't know, I could see them selling a billion if they break into China and a few other growing countries like they have with Australia and Europe...

Selling a billion boxes in a generation is about expanding the base of customers (and not necessarily in the way Nintendo did, although that helps) and prolonging the generation (if it goes 10-12 years instead of 5, that adds a lot to the #s).

But, yeah, it seems like Microsoft is almost moving away from a video game box and into a "all-in-one PC connected to your television" model...

 

[larry_boy_44]

so a Microsoft Exec today said they see the next gen of consoles selling over 1 billion consoles... Then cites that each generation has sold 30% more than the previous and the last one sold about 300 M units...

Thoughts?

This pairs with their "all in one" entertainment box, instead of just a "gaming" box.

There's no way the next gen sells a billion gaming boxes... but, all in one TV/internet/movie/gaming box? Maybe.

eta - as you say, not sure how that transitions to other countries

Keep in mind, there are only a little over 300 million people in the US. 7 billion people in the world. So they expect 1 out of every 7 people in the world to own one of these. And here I thought it was only Facebook being delusional.

I don't think he meant 1 billion XBoxes, but rather 1 Billion combined sales between XBox, PS4, and WiiU. possibly even throw in 3DS and Vita.

 

[Slapdash]

so a Microsoft Exec today said they see the next gen of consoles selling over 1 billion consoles... Then cites that each generation has sold 30% more than the previous and the last one sold about 300 M units...

Thoughts?

This pairs with their "all in one" entertainment box, instead of just a "gaming" box.

There's no way the next gen sells a billion gaming boxes... but, all in one TV/internet/movie/gaming box? Maybe.

eta - as you say, not sure how that transitions to other countries

I don't know, I could see them selling a billion if they break into China and a few other growing countries like they have with Australia and Europe...

Selling a billion boxes in a generation is about expanding the base of customers (and not necessarily in the way Nintendo did, although that helps) and prolonging the generation (if it goes 10-12 years instead of 5, that adds a lot to the #s).

But, yeah, it seems like Microsoft is almost moving away from a video game box and into a "all-in-one PC connected to your television" model...

It also helps if your hardware is such a POS people have to buy a second system to finish the games they bought

 

[SlaX]

so a Microsoft Exec today said they see the next gen of consoles selling over 1 billion consoles... Then cites that each generation has sold 30% more than the previous and the last one sold about 300 M units...

Thoughts?

This pairs with their "all in one" entertainment box, instead of just a "gaming" box.

There's no way the next gen sells a billion gaming boxes... but, all in one TV/internet/movie/gaming box? Maybe.

eta - as you say, not sure how that transitions to other countries

Keep in mind, there are only a little over 300 million people in the US. 7 billion people in the world. So they expect 1 out of every 7 people in the world to own one of these. And here I thought it was only Facebook being delusional.

I don't think he meant 1 billion XBoxes, but rather 1 Billion combined sales between XBox, PS4, and WiiU. possibly even throw in 3DS and Vita.

Ah. Now I can see it becoming more realistic. It's definitely possible for a person to own more than one of those devices. Some will probably own them all. So, in this case, I can see it being a possibility.

 

[larry_boy_44]

so a Microsoft Exec today said they see the next gen of consoles selling over 1 billion consoles... Then cites that each generation has sold 30% more than the previous and the last one sold about 300 M units...

Thoughts?

This pairs with their "all in one" entertainment box, instead of just a "gaming" box.

There's no way the next gen sells a billion gaming boxes... but, all in one TV/internet/movie/gaming box? Maybe.

eta - as you say, not sure how that transitions to other countries

I don't know, I could see them selling a billion if they break into China and a few other growing countries like they have with Australia and Europe...

Selling a billion boxes in a generation is about expanding the base of customers (and not necessarily in the way Nintendo did, although that helps) and prolonging the generation (if it goes 10-12 years instead of 5, that adds a lot to the #s).

But, yeah, it seems like Microsoft is almost moving away from a video game box and into a "all-in-one PC connected to your television" model...

It also helps if your hardware is such a POS people have to buy a second system to finish the games they bought

Yeah, in the same interview he said he they planned on selling 25 M more X360s with half or more of them being "rebuys"...

 

[SlaX]

so a Microsoft Exec today said they see the next gen of consoles selling over 1 billion consoles... Then cites that each generation has sold 30% more than the previous and the last one sold about 300 M units...

Thoughts?

This pairs with their "all in one" entertainment box, instead of just a "gaming" box.

There's no way the next gen sells a billion gaming boxes... but, all in one TV/internet/movie/gaming box? Maybe.

eta - as you say, not sure how that transitions to other countries

I don't know, I could see them selling a billion if they break into China and a few other growing countries like they have with Australia and Europe...

Selling a billion boxes in a generation is about expanding the base of customers (and not necessarily in the way Nintendo did, although that helps) and prolonging the generation (if it goes 10-12 years instead of 5, that adds a lot to the #s).

But, yeah, it seems like Microsoft is almost moving away from a video game box and into a "all-in-one PC connected to your television" model...

If China lifts their ban on video game consoles, then I can see this definitely helping all three companies. The question is "if" and when china will do that.

 

[Slapdash]

so a Microsoft Exec today said they see the next gen of consoles selling over 1 billion consoles... Then cites that each generation has sold 30% more than the previous and the last one sold about 300 M units...

Thoughts?

This pairs with their "all in one" entertainment box, instead of just a "gaming" box.

There's no way the next gen sells a billion gaming boxes... but, all in one TV/internet/movie/gaming box? Maybe.

eta - as you say, not sure how that transitions to other countries

I don't know, I could see them selling a billion if they break into China and a few other growing countries like they have with Australia and Europe...

Selling a billion boxes in a generation is about expanding the base of customers (and not necessarily in the way Nintendo did, although that helps) and prolonging the generation (if it goes 10-12 years instead of 5, that adds a lot to the #s).

But, yeah, it seems like Microsoft is almost moving away from a video game box and into a "all-in-one PC connected to your television" model...

It also helps if your hardware is such a POS people have to buy a second system to finish the games they bought

Yeah, in the same interview he said he they planned on selling 25 M more X360s with half or more of them being "rebuys"...

The nerve of these pricks.

 

[KGB]

so a Microsoft Exec today said they see the next gen of consoles selling over 1 billion consoles... Then cites that each generation has sold 30% more than the previous and the last one sold about 300 M units...

Thoughts?

This pairs with their "all in one" entertainment box, instead of just a "gaming" box.

There's no way the next gen sells a billion gaming boxes... but, all in one TV/internet/movie/gaming box? Maybe.

eta - as you say, not sure how that transitions to other countries

If they put an ipod dock on the top they would...

 

[Thorn]

Larry I will paypal you eighteen dollars if you promise to only end sentences and posts with a single period. I've spend way too much time thinking about what amount of money would work for me, and I will say it's negotiable, but not by much. Please help me.

 

[Worm]

Titanfall - new game from original Infinity Ward developers - Xbox only

 

[Jobber]

Titanfall - new game from original Infinity Ward developers - Xbox only

Well, it's Mech-ish. And I've been hurtin' for a mech game for some time now. I'll definitely keep an eye on this one.

 

[Worm]

More changes on XB1 controller changes/features

 

[Statcruncher]

More changes on XB1 controller changes/features

They add a fingerprint reader and DNA analyzer yet?

 

[Run It Up]

More changes on XB1 controller changes/features

WHY?!

Why can they not make a D-Pad that isn't horrible?

The other changes are great, but come on...

 

[ConnSKINS26]

You'd think we'd be past the d-pad by now. It could easily be replaced by something else in that area of the controller? For instance, more springy buttons like the X, Y, A, B buttons. The d-pad's responsiveness just sucks on all controllers, and it's because the four separate "buttons" for some reason are connected. Keep them in the same spot but separate them, we'll be able to feel around for them and they'd be more useful. It's like they can't cut the ties to the original Nintendo controllers. It's 2013 for christs sake.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Seriously, it is completely possible that DRM is just going to be a fact of life for this generation of consoles. It's definitely possible and IMO even likely that Sony is going to anounce something identical or highly similar to what MSFT is doing. That will suck, and most of us will complain for a while, but eventually we'll all shrug our shoulders and accept that that's just how things are going to be. There's absolutely no reason at this point for anybody to be a fanboy on this topic.

What doesn't help, though, is when people turn off all critical thinking and ignore what's in front of your nose. MSFT hasn't given us absolute specifics on exactly how their DRM is going to work or how their proprietary resale market will operate, but anybody who doesn't see the broad contours of how this is going to shake out is living in a fantasy world.

is there going to be DRM is a lot different question than saying if you are offline for 24 hours your games stop working and that used games and game rentals are not possible

part of what they are pushing here is developers using the cloud, if your game integrated tightly with the cloud then obviously it'll be unplayable without a connection. That also is a lot different from sayingt all games require an internet ping within 24 hours to be played

the devil is in the details, and those are exactly what we do not have yet

the thought that with no details MS confirms the worst conceivable details is laughable

Why do you keep coming back to this point? Of course online-features break down without a connection. Duh. That's not the issue. The issue is why does the XB1 need to ping? Cloud gaming, online multiplayer, and stuff like that can't account for why the ping is necessary.

it is more than online gaming

MS seems to be saying some games will use the cloud to run the game itself

example

"One example of that might be lighting," he continued. "Let’s say you’re looking at a forest scene and you need to calculate the light coming through the trees, or you’re going through a battlefield and have very dense volumetric fog that’s hugging the terrain. Those things often involve some complicated up-front calculations when you enter that world, but they don’t necessarily have to be updated every frame. Those are perfect candidates for the console to offload that to the cloud—the cloud can do the heavy lifting, because you’ve got the ability to throw multiple devices at the problem in the cloud."

so as you can see, this could be a game that in single player uses cloud computing for calculations, this the question "can you play all games without an internet connection" is not an easy one to answer. The question of will games ACTUALLY use this and will it suck or not are things i cannot answer.

and you can ask me to guess at the ping function as many times as you like, i'll leave the guessing to you as my argument is lets wait for details as opposed to lets guess

My link

Following a whole lot of mixed messaging and confusion Microsoft has just confirmed what we told you three weeks ago: the Xbox One will indeed need to be connected to the Internet once every 24 hours to play games.

If you don't connect once every 24 hours, you will not be able to play games offline.

Here's the exact statement, posted by Microsoft on the Xbox Wire tonight:

With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.

Another relevant excerpt:

>While a persistent connection is not required, Xbox One is designed to verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend. Games that are designed to take advantage of the cloud may require a connection.

I told you so.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Also, for the record, there is absolutely no indication that I know of that Sony isn't planning on doing the same thing.

 

[SlaX]

More changes on XB1 controller changes/features

WHY?!

Why can they not make a D-Pad that isn't horrible?

The other changes are great, but come on...

I thought that they did improve the D-Pad. It looks closer to the older generation D-Pads (NES, SNES) than what the XBox has had so far.

 

[Usual21]

Used Games and Giving Games to Friends
Microsoft also spelled out its policies on game lending, trade-ins and rentals. "In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends."

“We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.”

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You can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

Microsoft says "your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you." The company added that “Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.”

It's worth noting that Microsoft allows you to gift games to friends but they can't borrow them. Microsoft added that "loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."


However, anyone can play games using your console. "Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games," Microsoft says. "Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you."

Xbox One will also allow you to give up to 10 family members access to "log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One." Similar to Xbox 360, "a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."

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So if I buy a copy of Call of Duty: Ghosts, 10 of my friends can play it as well on their end? Am I reading this right???

 

[thecatch]

Used Games and Giving Games to FriendsMicrosoft also spelled out its policies on game lending, trade-ins and rentals. "In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends."“We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.”“You can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.Microsoft says "your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you." The company added that “Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.”It's worth noting that Microsoft allows you to gift games to friends but they can't borrow them. Microsoft added that "loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners." However, anyone can play games using your console. "Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games," Microsoft says. "Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you."Xbox One will also allow you to give up to 10 family members access to "log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One." Similar to Xbox 360, "a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- So if I buy a copy of Call of Duty: Ghosts, 10 of my friends can play it as well on their end? Am I reading this right???

It sounds like this will 100% destroy the ebay used game market. (can't "give" games to people not on your friends list)

 

[thecatch]

More changes on XB1 controller changes/features

Hate them making the sticks more sensitive - ugh. They are messing with a good thing.

 

[Worm]

- The once a day thing sucks more in theory than in practice. Even if you don't actively go online, how many people who are buying a $500+ console don't have wifi nowadays? There are individual situations, but it's not really a big deal for most. I can see how it turns people off though.

- The "you can give a game once" thing is confusing. Can person X only give it to person Y, and then that's it, no more?

- I'm interested in the 10 person family thing... I wonder if they all have to be tied to a master account or what.

 

[belljr]

and i am out... awaiting ps4 news.

i buy tons of used games. im a pretty smart guy, develop software for a living and find this crap more and more confusing...

eta: if games arent 70 beans and they have discounts for downloads versions then it will be better

 

[SlaX]

I can't imagine any game convincing me to buy an XBox One right now. I'll watch the conference and I'll hope for the best, but that's the way I feel right now.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Used Games and Giving Games to FriendsMicrosoft also spelled out its policies on game lending, trade-ins and rentals. "In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends."We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.You can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.Microsoft says "your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you." The company added that Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.It's worth noting that Microsoft allows you to gift games to friends but they can't borrow them. Microsoft added that "loaning or renting games wont be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners." However, anyone can play games using your console. "Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games," Microsoft says. "Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you."Xbox One will also allow you to give up to 10 family members access to "log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One." Similar to Xbox 360, "a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friends house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- So if I buy a copy of Call of Duty: Ghosts, 10 of my friends can play it as well on their end? Am I reading this right???

I'm finding that incredibly confusing as well. Something seems lost in translation there because I can't see any way they would want/allow that. Kind of like Sony shutting down the number of consoles linked to one account because people shared DLC that way.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

My overwhelming feeling is that Microsoft wouldn't have the balls to go this direction if XBOX One and the PS4 weren't both going to have these types of restrictions. They'd be shooting themselves in the face before the next console war's even begun.

For this reason, I highly doubt the PS4 will be much different.

 

[Pick]

My son has hinted at buying me an Xbox for Father's Day. Hold off for Xbox One, right?

 

[SlaX]

My son has hinted at buying me an Xbox for Father's Day. Hold off for Xbox One, right?

Not if you want to play the games that are out now. The XBox One won't be backward compatible.

 

[Slapdash]

I can't imagine any game convincing me to buy an XBox One right now. I'll watch the conference and I'll hope for the best, but that's the way I feel right now.

Given yesterday's revelation that Microsoft was the first participant in the PRISM surveillance program, I can't see any games that would convince me to let them put a mike and camera in my living room.

 

[Pick]

My son has hinted at buying me an Xbox for Father's Day. Hold off for Xbox One, right?

Not if you want to play the games that are out now. The XBox One won't be backward compatible.

So hold off then?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I can't imagine any game convincing me to buy an XBox One right now. I'll watch the conference and I'll hope for the best, but that's the way I feel right now.

Given yesterday's revelation that Microsoft was the first participant in the PRISM surveillance program, I can't see any games that would convince me to let them put a mike and camera in my living room.

A Magic Mike?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Johnny Caspar: So it's clear what I'm saying?

Leo: As....mud.

/millerscrossing

 

[shader]

So I read today that the Microsoft One has to be connected to WIFI at least once a day or the gaming portion of the console shuts off!

Microsoft better fix that. It's just horrible business.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

So I read today that the Microsoft One has to be connected to WIFI at least once a day or the gaming portion of the console shuts off!

Microsoft better fix that. It's just horrible business.

aint gonna happen

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

So is anyone really excited about this?

 

[shader]

So I read today that the Microsoft One has to be connected to WIFI at least once a day or the gaming portion of the console shuts off!

Microsoft better fix that. It's just horrible business.

aint gonna happen

They are screwed then

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So is anyone really excited about this?

Nope. I can't decide if I should call this thing overreach or a reach around.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

So I read today that the Microsoft One has to be connected to WIFI at least once a day or the gaming portion of the console shuts off!

Microsoft better fix that. It's just horrible business.

.

They won't be fixing it. How can they bombard your dashboard with new ads if you're not online?

 

[Pick]

Will your account travel easier? For example, having multiple consoles in one house can currently suck as your account has to be downloaded when you switch.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I can see how the XB1 policies would upset people that play their games a certain way, but personally I'm excited about it. All games available digitally day and date? No disc needed to play even if you buy the disc version? Access your games through the cloud on any console even if you don't have the disc with you?

Yes please.

I did buy/re-sell games on ebay occasionally so that will cost me a few extra bucks without being able to do that now, but I'm OK with that. Gaming is already such amazing value for the money on our end (seriously, how many of us bragged last gen about our embarrassment of riches via huge backlogs we'd already bought and paid for but hadn't even opened yet?). Meanwhile, the MS/Sony gaming branches have operated at a (very large) loss and are both looking at selling off pieces of their gaming division. Obviously things have to change so they're not gone next gen and we're left with Nintendo's 10 year old hardware and shovelware waggle, which is the only console gaming model that's actually still profitable given today's ridiculously cheap gaming prices.

I could see how the 24 hour thing will hurt some people living way out in the boonies and I do have a move coming up that it could affect, but honestly it's been literally 10 years since I tried to play a console game without having been connected to the internet within the last 24 hours. Last gen I waited 2 weeks for a repaired console twice (RROD on the 360 and YLOD on the PS3) and it was more than worth it for the other 7 years of bliss. There's no way this online thing will cause me to miss anywhere near that much gaming time and honestly, the majority of people complaining about it will likely spend more time #####ing about it on the internet when they could be playing games than they will spend not being able to play because they didn't have a connection.

 

[larry_boy_44]

So I read today that the Microsoft One has to be connected to WIFI at least once a day or the gaming portion of the console shuts off!

Microsoft better fix that. It's just horrible business.

What do you mean fix it? THAT'S A FEATURE!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm cool with the idea of being connected to the internet. My PC is always connected so I shouldn't have a problem with an Xbox.

But the idea that when I buy a disc it's not mine to do with as I will is pretty goofy to me. Good thing they're not in the car business - "Okay, the only people you can loan your car to, after you've bought it, are people that you've put on a list that you've given us as approved drivers..."

 

[larry_boy_44]

I can see how the XB1 policies would upset people that play their games a certain way, but personally I'm excited about it. All games available digitally day and date? No disc needed to play even if you buy the disc version? Access your games through the cloud on any console even if you don't have the disc with you?

Yes please.

I did buy/re-sell games on ebay occasionally so that will cost me a few extra bucks without being able to do that now, but I'm OK with that. Gaming is already such amazing value for the money on our end (seriously, how many of us bragged last gen about our embarrassment of riches via huge backlogs we'd already bought and paid for but hadn't even opened yet?). Meanwhile, the MS/Sony gaming branches have operated at a (very large) loss and are both looking at selling off pieces of their gaming division. Obviously things have to change so they're not gone next gen and we're left with Nintendo's 10 year old hardware and shovelware waggle, which is the only console gaming model that's actually still profitable given today's ridiculously cheap gaming prices.

I could see how the 24 hour thing will hurt some people living way out in the boonies and I do have a move coming up that it could affect, but honestly it's been literally 10 years since I tried to play a console game without having been connected to the internet within the last 24 hours. Last gen I waited 2 weeks for a repaired console twice (RROD on the 360 and YLOD on the PS3) and it was more than worth it for the other 7 years of bliss. There's no way this online thing will cause me to miss anywhere near that much gaming time and honestly, the majority of people complaining about it will likely spend more time #####ing about it on the internet when they could be playing games than they will spend not being able to play because they didn't have a connection.

Just wait until someone hacks Microsoft and they take the network down for a month like Sony did a while back and no one is able to play XBox games for an entire month anywhere...

Then tell me how awesome that is.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Just wait until someone hacks Microsoft and they take the network down for a month like Sony did a while back and no one is able to play XBox games for an entire month anywhere...

Then tell me how awesome that is.

Hopefully they'll be smart enough to build something in where if their authentication servers are down, the check is bypassed. That was the most annoying thing about online passes. EA's servers would always seem to be down (overloaded) on the day one of their big games released so it was a pain to get the online multiplayer authenticated.

That said, there was clearly a disparity in Sony's network security and Microsoft's last gen. Given all the eggs now going into that basket for MS I'm sure they won't be skimping on that front.

 

[hxperson]

This Always On and Used game DRM thing has guaranteed that my main next gen console purchase will be a PS4. I might end up buying an Xbox One as well, but right now I don't see why I would.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Just wait until someone hacks Microsoft and they take the network down for a month like Sony did a while back and no one is able to play XBox games for an entire month anywhere...

Then tell me how awesome that is.

Hopefully they'll be smart enough to build something in where if their authentication servers are down, the check is bypassed. That was the most annoying thing about online passes. EA's servers would always seem to be down (overloaded) on the day one of their big games released so it was a pain to get the online multiplayer authenticated.

That said, there was clearly a disparity in Sony's network security and Microsoft's last gen. Given all the eggs now going into that basket for MS I'm sure they won't be skimping on that front.

Here is the other issue with the "has to check in" thing:

If Microsoft ever decides to stop supporting XBox One (say in 10 years), you don't have a game system anymore.

I can still pull out my NES or Atari and play games.

20 years from now that will still be true.

That will not be true of XBox One because the moment Microsoft turns the server off (same with Diablo III and Sim City and other games that are similar), you can no longer play the game. Replay is no longer an option.

 

[Worm]

I'm very interested in what PS4 does/says over the next few days.