grateful zed
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benching him for antonio, odb and hill. ?
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Official Alshon Jeffery - The Bandwagon (1 Viewer)
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Sebowski
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With Julio on a bye I have the same desicion. I'm a big Ramsey guy, so I just put Gordon in.
Choo CHOOOOIOOOOOOO!!,!!
Read somewhere that JAX has three injuries in the secondary. So along with Bouye, maybe two other starters out.
That's gotta be good.
Anyone know if Ramsey shadows everywhere?
Edit: Here's the news on JAX secondary injuries. Good news for Jeffery.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25083654/three-jacksonville-jaguars-cornerbacks-sidelined-vs-philadelphia-eagles
That's gotta be good.
Anyone know if Ramsey shadows everywhere?
Edit: Here's the news on JAX secondary injuries. Good news for Jeffery.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25083654/three-jacksonville-jaguars-cornerbacks-sidelined-vs-philadelphia-eagles
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Ramsay usually does shadow but not always. I expect him to be all over Alshon this week.
That said, the last time they matched up (2016), Ramsay shadowed Alshon on 42 of 51 routes. Alshon went 7 for 93 that day. It was Ramsey's rookie season though and hadn't really faced a big WR like Alshon before and he struggled in the first half against him. 2nd half he made adjustments though and shut down Alshon pretty good. Have to think he's a much better player now than that year too.
I'd be slightly concerned about Ramsay on Alshon. TE's gonna eat this week.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Great intel - thanks. Would Bouye have been covering him anyway? Getting confusing as to where WR1s are lining up these days (many are in the slot as opposed to traditional X locations), and also good to know if solid DBs tend to shadow or stick to one side.
@Joe Bryant and crew - doing this on a weekly basis in the passing matchups or elsewhere would be a welcome addition.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Debatind Jeffrey and Baldwin/Golladay. Need to start 2 of the three.
All have non-ideal matchups against Ds that have been playing the pass solidly.
It’s a case where all three are likely projected around the same in terms of receptions, yardage, and chance of TD.
May come to intangibles - which offense has a better run game and faces a worse run D than pass D, how healthy the supporting WR/TE crew is around them, who has the chance for more targets/ catches in PPR.
Have no idea how to pick between them, may be problem through ROS.
All have non-ideal matchups against Ds that have been playing the pass solidly.
It’s a case where all three are likely projected around the same in terms of receptions, yardage, and chance of TD.
May come to intangibles - which offense has a better run game and faces a worse run D than pass D, how healthy the supporting WR/TE crew is around them, who has the chance for more targets/ catches in PPR.
Have no idea how to pick between them, may be problem through ROS.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Jeffrey is my ride or die at flex as long as he’s playing or not on a bye week.
I do kind of like Gordon this week… But his hamstring is still not 100%, and there are an awful lot of moths to feed in New England. With Philly, Jeffrey Is a target magnet. And it seems like the trust is only getting stronger and stronger week to week.
Plus as long as he’s healthy, he is an elite wide receiver. For some reason, people seem to forget just how good Alshon Jeffery can be when he’s playing at 100%. The only knock on him has been the nagging injuries that he has picked up over the years.
If I had a choice between them, I would play Jeffrey, but that sad I can’t blame you if you think Gordon has a higher upside. I feel like Gordon needs to catch a long bomb for a touchdown to truly have an elite day because Grinkowski and James white along with Julian Edelman and Chris Hogan will be sucking up lots of targets.
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Leaning hard towards Jeffery. Wentz/Jeffery seem to be in sync and he's healthy. Plus all these DBs are out.
And the clincher...I'm also starting Gronkowski. Don't like too many eggs in the NE basket when it could be the Edelman/White/Barner show in the case of a blowout.
Hot Sauce Guy
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I did not have a stroke earlier, I swear. I was using voice to text.
applogies - I’ve never seen it that bad
check the edited post for clarity.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Maybe - even if he does I like Jeffey’s size advantage.
Scroll back a couple pages & you’ll see similar concern with other top DBs since Jeffery’s return. Jeffery won the battles.
I’m not saying Ramsey can’t impact Jeffery, but I don’t think Jeffery’s floor is that bad because of him. Jeffery is not an easy receiver to cover. He’s fast, tall, has a huge wingspan and athleticism & focus to make nook-esque catches.
That all said I’m not sure if there’s history here & I’m too tired to look it up.
Hot Sauce Guy
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And there’s this breaking news:
“Jaguars SS Barry Church was one of four players arrested early Saturday morning over a bill dispute at the Reign Showclub in London.
Ronnie Harrison, DJ Hayden and Gerard Wilson were also named in the report. The players allegedly skipped out on paying a $40,000 bar tab. Charges were eventually dropped, but it's not a good look the night before a game. Church and Harrison are the only starters of the group and could face team-imposed discipline. It's a potential downgrade to Jacksonville's secondary.”
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leftcoastheel
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hate to say this but.... SWEET. Do us proud back here in 'Murica. Slaute.
Was starting Jeffery anyhow and doubt this change things. Trump will tweet and our boys will be out of trouble.
Hot Sauce Guy
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Jax doesn't seem to have their head in the game in any event.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It happens - not like any other receiver had a windfall of targets. Context seems relevant here & it is a 10-6 game.
Kind of a weird game flow with the turnovers.
Fearless 2nd half prediction: 5/87/1
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This game is going by way too fast. Wtf, where are the 8 million penalties to stop the clock when we need em? 
Hot Sauce Guy
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My fearless prediction isn’t feeling so good. :(
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The Eagles moved the ball well today but they spread it around a lot.
In the past I would have concerns when teams added 2nd options, but it seems to have proven out over the years that overall it doesn't affect the player. Tate should make the offense more effective and create longer more successful drives. He should also take away some of the coverage on Jeffery. Jeffrey is one of the main targets in the endzone, so if the offense starts clicking he could add a few more TDs.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
There were a couple other threads where it was discussed on the day of the trade. It's been on my mind. I think or hope Tate will be working with Ertz, Agholor and Matthews and not cutting into Jeffery. Also it should help the offense and create more red zone opportunities for Jeffery. Maybe I'm rationalizing things as I had pretty much settled on Jeffery as a regular starter.
BobbyLayne
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I’m definitely not feeling great owning Jeffrey, Tate, & Wentz. Trade deadline is Friday in our league.
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babydemon90
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I don't think Tate hurts Jeffrey - think he helps if anything. Should sustain more drives, more opportunities, and draw more attention. Probably hurts Ertz a tad (but he's still a good choice), and hurt Agholar the most.
Hot Sauce Guy
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That’s what I said in the trade topic. Jeffery is the biggest winner of that deal. Agholor/Matthews the biggest losers. Tate is a legitimate target, and will command attention. Jeffery's coverage should get a little softer as a result.
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
I wouldn't worry about Wentz since he clearly is the biggest beneficiary with addition of Tate. He def will help Wentz on moving offensive and be productive on the field.BobbyLayne said:
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Wonder where Tate fits into the pecking order:
1. Ertz
2. Jeffrey
3. Agholor
4. Smallwood
5 Goedert
6. Clement
7. Matthews
Hence my concern (not Wentz)
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
It depends on where Eagles' offensive team is on the field For red-zone package, Ertz is obvious first read for Wentz with Jeffery and Goedert as 2nd and 3rd. As for other packages, Tate might be 3rd, ranking higher over Agholor who I think Eagles will use as vertical stretcher from this point forward.
Stompin' Tom Connors
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I like the addition to Tate to help soften up coverage overall for Jeffrey, Tate, and Ertz. However, I am not so blind to think that we'll see Jeffrey get his floor raised because of it.
If anything, I see this giving Wentz even more of the ability to spread the ball around based on coverage, so if anything, makes Jeffrey's production a little more harder to predict than it was -- to me, this potentially lowers his floor, but not his overall value. Point distribution from games will just have more variance, IMHO.
If anything, I see this giving Wentz even more of the ability to spread the ball around based on coverage, so if anything, makes Jeffrey's production a little more harder to predict than it was -- to me, this potentially lowers his floor, but not his overall value. Point distribution from games will just have more variance, IMHO.
Sebowski
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Stompin' Tom Connors
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Who is rolling the dice with Alshon this week?
Normally is every week plug and play for me as I don't want to miss out on the upside he's flashed through 3 games since he's been back (20 FPS or more in PPR against TEN, NYG, CAR), and he has had a steady if not spectacular floor in his other 2 games (5-6 FPS against MIN and JAX).
With Tate likely starting in the slot, anyone leery of playing him to see how target distribution pans out?
DAL also has some solid corners -- does anyone know who Byron Jones will likely cover (and does he shadow or stay on one side)?
I want to get him going, but can see this potentially netting out as one of his 5-6 point games as opposed to his 20+ point games.
Thoughts?
Normally is every week plug and play for me as I don't want to miss out on the upside he's flashed through 3 games since he's been back (20 FPS or more in PPR against TEN, NYG, CAR), and he has had a steady if not spectacular floor in his other 2 games (5-6 FPS against MIN and JAX).
With Tate likely starting in the slot, anyone leery of playing him to see how target distribution pans out?
DAL also has some solid corners -- does anyone know who Byron Jones will likely cover (and does he shadow or stay on one side)?
I want to get him going, but can see this potentially netting out as one of his 5-6 point games as opposed to his 20+ point games.
Thoughts?
Jones didn’t shadow on MNF. Don’t know if Corey Davis wasn’t considered worthy or if that’s his norm.
Both Jones and Mills are out this week. Dallas will be starting 2 backup cornerbacks. Sean Lee and 2 DEs are also out. Could be a long day for the Dallas defense.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Do you mean Jalen Mills and Sidney Jones? Aren't they on the Eagles? So not likely to affect Alshon directly.
I do not see Byron Jones on the latest DAL injury report, but I do see that Awuzie had a pretty full practice week so he'll definitely be out there as well.
Definitely Lee being out helps, but not sure Taco Charlton or David Irving (a DL as opposed to a DE) being out are huge blows to DAL's D. Looks like Randy Gregory, their other DE, will play.
https://www.dallascowboys.com/team/injury-report/
My bad,Do you mean Jalen Mills and Sidney Jones? Aren't they on the Eagles? So not likely to affect Alshon directly.
I do not see Byron Jones on the latest DAL injury report, but I do see that Awuzie had a pretty full practice week so he'll definitely be out there as well.
Definitely Lee being out helps, but not sure Taco Charlton or David Irving (a DL as opposed to a DE) being out are huge blows to DAL's D. Looks like Randy Gregory, their other DE, will play.
https://www.dallascowboys.com/team/injury-report/
rotowire had just released an update on Jones with comment section talking about Dallas beat up defense.
And now it's gone from rotowire.
The DAL D overall didn't look good at all. Seems like every time S. Lee is out it all falls apart. Guy must be the lynchpin.
C. Davis did surprisingly well. Not sure if B. Jones was on him or not. Assume yes.
Right now thinking I'm starting Alshon. My gut is telling me PHI is coming out firing and it's going to be an absolute throttling of Dallas.
Jones played 454 out of 513 snaps at RCB. Only 1 snap at LCB. Alshon plays both sides. Rest of Dallas cb are not good.
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shoecrew22
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Also Tates first week. Dont expect to see targets askew in his favor. He will get 5 targets to "Get him going in the offense" but the Slot is the SLot is the SLOT and Tate is one of the slottiest receivers after that ball is in his hands. He could easily end the night with a 3/75/1 line with Lee out.
Alshon still going to get 10 targets with a 7/115/1!!!
Alshon still going to get 10 targets with a 7/115/1!!!
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I wish he had a stronger performance, but you can't get studly numbers 100% of the time.
What I was encouraged about, at least, is that outside of Ertz, he was still targeted the most (Ertz has and always will be the biggest target hog). I was worried about Tate's usage, and things might still change as he gets his feet wet in this offense, but Tate had half the targets Jeffrey had.
Jeffrey wasn't as efficient with his targets -- not sure if his 8 targets for 4 catches was a result of him, a well-defended pass, or Wentz not delivering, but he could have had a catch or two more than his 50% efficiency rate.
Still expecting a slight tick down overall ROS because of Tate joining the team, but OK with this performance given Jeffrey's continued usage.
What I was encouraged about, at least, is that outside of Ertz, he was still targeted the most (Ertz has and always will be the biggest target hog). I was worried about Tate's usage, and things might still change as he gets his feet wet in this offense, but Tate had half the targets Jeffrey had.
Jeffrey wasn't as efficient with his targets -- not sure if his 8 targets for 4 catches was a result of him, a well-defended pass, or Wentz not delivering, but he could have had a catch or two more than his 50% efficiency rate.
Still expecting a slight tick down overall ROS because of Tate joining the team, but OK with this performance given Jeffrey's continued usage.
What I don't like is that whenver he has a tough CB matchup (i.e. Jones last night or X. Rhodes) and he's predicted to have a down day, he does.
Other elite WRs, whether because of scheme or other, seem to make it happen.
All night last night I kept seeing Jeffery WAY outside and Jones or other locked up on him and Wentz really didn't look his way. There was no doubt that he wasn't the first read (and I guess for good reason).
I'd hope that changes A LOT against the NO secondary this week.
Other elite WRs, whether because of scheme or other, seem to make it happen.
All night last night I kept seeing Jeffery WAY outside and Jones or other locked up on him and Wentz really didn't look his way. There was no doubt that he wasn't the first read (and I guess for good reason).
I'd hope that changes A LOT against the NO secondary this week.
I don’t think that Jones follows wrs all over. Alshon was one misread (Wentz’s fault IMO) from having a 5/56/1 night last night. Last year he put 5/85/2 on the Vikes/Rhodes in the playoffs. He also lit up Talib/Denver in another matchup vs an elite corner so I wouldn’t say he always gets shut down in difficult on paper matchups.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Actually, for me this kind of predictability is desired. Yes, I'd like Alshon to get 10+ points as a floor no matter who he is matched up against, but if it is true a WR consistently underperforms against top CBs, it just makes it easier to know when to slot someone else in there instead for those match ups.
It's when Jeffrey is supposed to have a dominant game and he doesn't is the think that irks me the most.
