saintfool
Dead sexy
this is true for me with pretty much all my WRs. it's one of the things that i'm always evaluating.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Right now I am leaning yes, but only because my other options are Golladay (with a banged up Marvin Jones and against a soft CAR secondary) and Cooper (against a 10-ply ATL pass D).
But super hard to do as this game vs NO has shoot-out written all over it....
Probably a good call.
I'm starting him. The volume should be there. I also have only MVS and John Brown (with Josh Gordon on bye) so right now rolling with Alshon.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
When I have to start analyzing cbs and then figuring out who will cover who on game day it crosses the line from fun to tedium. Other than Ertz the whole offense is a bit of a mess right now. They need a field stretcher and a dynamic rb.
I don't get that.
What's different now vs. last year's super bowl run? Ertz...check. Alshon...check. Agholor...check. RB multi headed monster...check. And now they have Tate. And possibly an emerging Josh Adams.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
For me, it's part of the fun that gives me an edge. Everyone has access to the same start/sit info and general tendencies of pass offense vs pass Ds. The same match up content you get here at FBG is not too divergent from what you get anywhere else (for me, the value of FBG is the boards and some of the specialty content analyzing line play, diving deeper into data, etc. that you don't always see to the same level of depth elsewhere).
The difference making in this environment, the one thing that gives me back an edge, is going the extra mile.
DarkKnightsGuru
Footballguy
So ur saying he's a sit this week ?? And if someone had a sleeper such as Scantling or Reynolds start them over Jeff
Can't imagine sitting Jeffery against the NO secondary. Lattimore or not. And with Wentz throwing.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
The line was phenomenal last year. Like pff had their top 10 lineman and they had 4 of them. Smith maybe wasn’t great but he played his role, the line hasn’t been quite as good, the rbs are pretty terrible. There’s a reason few teams repeat, things don’t go perfect two years in a row. A lot of little problems are adding up to an average offense.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Why?
With Wentz throwing, Lattimore or not, Alshon only got 2/39 against MIN, 4/35 against JAX, and 4/48 against DAL last week.
No one is a "no brainer" if you have better options.
Alshon is averaging 16 ppg in ppr so far this year. Wrs in general, including #1 wrs and outside wrs are having no trouble putting up points on the Saints secondary. I don’t see how this can be seen as anything but a plus matchup.
Would have to have exceptional alternatives to sit Alshon this weekend. I'm not saying he doesn't put up mediocre numbers against Lattimore, but I'd have to be stacked at WR to sit him.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Wait, so do you think he'll be middling or a must start? Your post kind of goes in both directions.
I've stated who my other options are, and I think they may provide more upside this weekend.
Who are the WRs you would sit Alshon for?
I think he's on the border of middling to must start. I know that's waffling a bit, but I certainly don't think Jeffery is a must start understanding Lattimore's presence. That said, I do think PHI ends up quickening the pace and will need to be in catch up mode.
In my situation, I have no choice. I'm not benching Jeffery for J. Brown or MVS.
In your case, I'd definitely ride with Golloday who is going to be peppered with targets against a CAR secondary that is iffy. A. Cooper is a tougher call for me. He should thrive against the ATL D, but if DAL is smart this is a HUGE Zeke day against that run D.
My bet: Alshon is better than last week's floor game and he's somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-70 with a coin flip chance at a TD.
Silva's matchup column on rotoworld. His take on the matchup. Key: Lattimore not necessarily shadowing anymore.
… Jeffery has drawn eight-plus targets in 5-of-6 games since returning from shoulder surgery, with the exception of Week 8 against Jalen Ramsey(5). The Saints have used RCB Marshon Lattimore in shadow coverage less since trading for LCB Eli Apple, giving Alshon a shot to avoid the Saints’ top corner. Jeffery popped as Week 11’s No. 4 buy-low wide receiver in Josh Hermsmeyer’s Air Yards model. …
… Jeffery has drawn eight-plus targets in 5-of-6 games since returning from shoulder surgery, with the exception of Week 8 against Jalen Ramsey(5). The Saints have used RCB Marshon Lattimore in shadow coverage less since trading for LCB Eli Apple, giving Alshon a shot to avoid the Saints’ top corner. Jeffery popped as Week 11’s No. 4 buy-low wide receiver in Josh Hermsmeyer’s Air Yards model. …
saintfool
Dead sexy
Peak
Footballguy
I don't think Jeffrey will see my lineup again the rest of the season. His production isn't there. I thought at first it was tough matchups, but expected something this Sunday. Nothing. Not even a lot of targets. Are there too many options for PHI now? Alshon, Tate, Agholor, Ertz, Smallwood, Adams, Clement? Is Wentz hitting a wall? What the hell is going on with this team? They definitely don't look like a team that just won the SB 9 months ago.
Going to be very tempting to start him this week. At home against the NYG.
Earlier this year, Jeffery roasted them for 2 TDs I believe.
Should be a "get well" game. TB just put up 35 on that secondary.
Peak
Footballguy
Thought that first sentence would be true vs NO's lack of pass defense, but that never appeared. Been burned too many times unfortunately. Gonna need to see something from him in order to regain my trust.
Don't blame you. May not have a choice unless I get one of these rookie WRs in waivers to plug in as a #2.
Feel like G. Tate just muddied the picture as well. Was the top targeted WR and the guy just got off the bus.
Was watching the A. Cooper vs. M. Lattimore matchup intently last night. Wanted to get a read on a) Is he that good, and b) Did that fully explain Jeffery's poor performance?
I came away thinking yes, Lattimore is good, but it was clear that Dallas had a plan to get Cooper the ball...and they did with relative ease when they wanted to. Cooper was clearly a big part of the game plaln regardless of the matchup.
And that's the thing: What is Philly thinking here on offense? The low targets for Jeffery indicate that they aren't highly focused on making him a key part of the game plan. Tough matchups lately have exacerbated the situation.
Want to start him, but I'm staying away until they wake up and stop force feeding Ertz (and Tate for that matter) targets.
I came away thinking yes, Lattimore is good, but it was clear that Dallas had a plan to get Cooper the ball...and they did with relative ease when they wanted to. Cooper was clearly a big part of the game plaln regardless of the matchup.
And that's the thing: What is Philly thinking here on offense? The low targets for Jeffery indicate that they aren't highly focused on making him a key part of the game plan. Tough matchups lately have exacerbated the situation.
Want to start him, but I'm staying away until they wake up and stop force feeding Ertz (and Tate for that matter) targets.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Finally getting him out of my lineup this week (16 team PPR dynasty). I will be starting Josh Reynolds and Josh Gordon over him (Along with Thielen), they both offer so much more upside.
Acquired him back in week 4 for a 2nd rounder and have been so disappointed these last 3 weeks (10 total targets)
Acquired him back in week 4 for a 2nd rounder and have been so disappointed these last 3 weeks (10 total targets)
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
No way I'm starting Jeffrey until there is a clear sign of life. To your good point @kyoun1e, it's hard to see where Jeffrey consistently fits in to the offensive plan as opposed to, say, Ertz, who has a clear role.
Too boom/bust, too variable to trust, and until he isn't, I'll go with a possible lower ceiling, but a higher floor, in other options.
Too boom/bust, too variable to trust, and until he isn't, I'll go with a possible lower ceiling, but a higher floor, in other options.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
No one warned me the band on this wagon is ####### Nickelback.
Norman been on him all night. God forbid he can outperform in a supposed bad matchup.
And they finally target him in the endzone on a quick slant and Wentz throws it right into Norman's gut.
Jeesh. This may be a lost cause.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
We keep lamenting the lack of targets, but no one here can act surprised why in a year where Ertz is Top 12 in targets/game among all receivers, and he's breaking franchise reception records.
Between Ertz, Ertz, Ertz, and Ertz (and don't forget about Ertz), there simply aren't enough balls for everyone else.
Between Ertz, Ertz, Ertz, and Ertz (and don't forget about Ertz), there simply aren't enough balls for everyone else.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
The ultimate roster clogger. I've been trying to trade him for 3 years and nobody wants him. I look forward to cutting him in another 3 years. I'll never understand why the eagles have him that big contract, most of their other moves have been pretty smart.
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You can’t play this guy going forward and it really mystifies me. They’ve just completely gone away from him after he was seeing significant targets the first 4 or so games back from injury and he looked really good out there. He was open in the end zone if Wentz throws it high but instead he threw it low and right into Norman. For me I’ll be starting Gordon or Corey Davis over him in week 15.
saintfool
Dead sexy
his totals since Tate arrived are awful. as a dynasty owner, I am hoping that Tate is truly a rental this year because I can't see keeping Alshon otherwise.
He has theoretically had a string of tough matchups with shadow CBs. Still, a good offense and a good WR find a way. Hell, A. Cooper went bananas against Norman and also had a solid performance against NO and Lattimore. Philly just doesn't even bother looking at Jeffery when the tough matchup is there.
I can start 3 RBs and have only carried 3 WRs as well. My 3rd WR has been DJ Moore. He's going to have to be promoted to #2 for me.
I mean...is Jeffery dropable? This week, he has another tough matchup who he failed against in B. Jones. The week after he theoretically faces A. Talib.
Hell, it may have come to this...may drop him for D. Pettis or C. Conley. Don't see a ton of upside where he can help me for this playoff run.
Sebowski
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I am starting to think he must have slept with Wentz's wife or something. He just doesn't look his way.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Guy is an enigma. Not a game saving performance, but like to see the target share increase.
Anyone trusting Alshon against a Rams team that has been better on paper than on the field, but has a healthy complement back in their secondary? Seems like this will be throwing kind of game as the Eagles D hasn't seemed to be able to play like the Bears did against the Rams last week.
Anyone trusting Alshon against a Rams team that has been better on paper than on the field, but has a healthy complement back in their secondary? Seems like this will be throwing kind of game as the Eagles D hasn't seemed to be able to play like the Bears did against the Rams last week.
jm192
Footballguy
He's going to be a hard guy to feel good about drafting next year.
2013/2014 are so far away. Since then: 800/800/789. Combination of injuries and inconsistency. He just hasn't gotten back to that level. Probably best as a WR4/Flex--not sure you'll be able to draft him like that. Maybe the world will be frustrated enough that you get him on the cheap next year. But will we want him?
2013/2014 are so far away. Since then: 800/800/789. Combination of injuries and inconsistency. He just hasn't gotten back to that level. Probably best as a WR4/Flex--not sure you'll be able to draft him like that. Maybe the world will be frustrated enough that you get him on the cheap next year. But will we want him?
