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Official Bishop Sankey - Best RB in the 2014 Draft (2 Viewers)
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karmarooster
Footballguy
Seeming like there's a chance now for a bounce back season. Given that his value had sunk to almost nil, there's something to be had here. This defense is going to be terrible and he won't get a ton of carries, but hopefully picks up the differences in the short passing and screen game. Huge risk, but I'm hopeful there's SOMETHING the be salvaged.
bizkliz
Footballguy
im certainly not enamored with sankey, but i totally agree with you both. saw him go in the 13th in my ppr $ last night.
im just hoping those diagonal runs are for positive yards. no pawns please.
-biz-
Appreciate the long post, just not quoting
Yeah they looked terrible.
Haggains was almost the worst OC statistically and figuratively that ever existed in the NFL. The transition was to Whis this offensive guru. He has not done well and his offense looks like...poo most weeks.
Last year, week 1, their offense looked very good and they beat the Chiefs and Locker was sharp. That was Whisenhunt pulling a rabbit or something. They literally won one other game. The Browns (a very underrated team short of WR and QB but no one notices they're good elsewhere) game was the Mett show for a half 28-35 points and then total collapse where they come back to win. That was it for a whole season.
The Chiefs looked sharp and well-coached, again. They and the Eagles are the most impressive preseason teams to me. Kudos to them.
I have nothing nice to say about last night w Titans.
Sankey has 3 runs in 3 games that are good. That's it.
I flat out want anyone but him starting. As laughable as it is to start McCluster, after last night I'd even take that.
Maybe to better illustrate it, Klug falls forward for 2 yards. I'd take him.
Big plays usually happen on 3rd down passes and red zone plays. He's in neither offensive set. I think you'll be disappointed.
Andrews has locked up the GL job. If you rub some little trollls hair enough, pray, and throw a penny in the wishing well, the Titans should get in the redzone where he might help your FF team with 6.
MCM- Bishop Sankey
Back to old Bishop Sankey around here. Not only did he leave a huge gain on the field but cutting right into a defensive tackle on one play, but he consistently looked ready to fall behind the line of scrimmage and just looked terrible overall. He is doing his best to lose the starting job after a good week last week, and this inconsistency should stick out to the Titans coaching staff when they are trying to think about who should get the majority of the carries each week.
Back to old Bishop Sankey around here. Not only did he leave a huge gain on the field but cutting right into a defensive tackle on one play, but he consistently looked ready to fall behind the line of scrimmage and just looked terrible overall. He is doing his best to lose the starting job after a good week last week, and this inconsistency should stick out to the Titans coaching staff when they are trying to think about who should get the majority of the carries each week.
biju
Footballguy
I get that this was written by a fan blog so it will have the fan reaction, but that is a super-biased paragraph right there.
Bri, I'm not familiar with Music City Miracle's writing talent--do you agree with them that Sankey "consistently looked ready to fall"? The parts I saw him in I thought he looked pretty decent. Not great, but the best on the roster although I didn't watch the whole game.
I like them. I don't always agree but they clearly watch everything and what I don't usually agree with is I think they're too fan-like and not being objective.
"Ready to fail" is an outstanding "dead on" description of Sankey and how he hits a hole or fails to use his blockers. You don't stop when you hit a hole and he does, then he gets happy feet and dances and...ugh.
If he would just keep moving he'd get 2 yards when there's nothing and the team would appreciate the fight and effort.
If the line blocks perfect everytime, he'd probably be a very good NFL back. Put him on Dallas and he might rock. Most NFL lines have plays where they don't win their battles, many plays throughout the game. Sweetness and Barry didn't get 10 yards on every carry, sometimes they had to grind it out.
I'm telling ya putting Andrews in is the answer. It can go to Cobb or back to Sankey or whomever in week 5, but four weeks of a RB fighting every stinkin down would do wonders for this offense. Some point out Andrews isn't the thoroughbred and he's not. I won't mind 50 yards on 15 carries if the line stinks, but his college career and last preseason and at times this year his average is fine. Funny things happen when you pound into the line, guys fall down, others think the play is dead, linemen get fired up etc. Did you notice in that article Poutasi decked Houston? Woohoo! Awesome great stupendous...no it's been barely mentioned and the Titans didn't run there the next play or nothing. They have no momentum. At least Andrews will give them some. I'll take 3 hard fought yards. A play like that against a lesser player than Houston and Poutasi could own the whole day after one block like that.
Bell stunk and like I mentioned on the GL play they put Warmack at LG which I think is almost assured progress. Well they've had Matias (a 3 year starter at FSU) at G with the 2nd and 3rd unit and he's done very well. A normal coach would put Matias in. Not Whis, he's going to work on Bell and then maybe have well-traveled Meredith back him up and probably cut the one G that's done well all offseason.
Curtis Martin made a career out of running around the corner. With Lewan and Stevens or Poutasi's fight and Stevens, they should be able to. Whisenhunt is determined to run up the gut so I really see no reason to even keep Sankey. He can't do that. He runs outside and catches nice(lined up wide last night too) but can't pickup the blitz. If he wants Steeler-esque pile movers then just get rid of him. Stop making me watch him fail at the same thing he's failed at 200 times already. OR change the running game plan and actually use your Tackles as the beasts they could be.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Nope. That was the O-line's fault. Haven't you been paying attention. Any positive act is all Sankey. Anything negative is due to his crappy O-line.
Faust
MVP
Titans RB Bishop Sankey has a huge chance with David Cobb on shelf:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25293751/bishop-sankey-has-huge-chance-in-tennessee-with-david-cobb-on-short-term-ir
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25293751/bishop-sankey-has-huge-chance-in-tennessee-with-david-cobb-on-short-term-ir
biju
Footballguy
Not that I think Sankey will end up being the best RB of the 2014 draft class, but after one year there was a non-trivial group of folks who thought RG3 was the best QB in the 2012 draft class. It's perhaps a little premature to call this one...
When Whisenhunt says "Jumbo package" with 3 TEs, if he means they'll run enough by the T/TE and not as much by the C/G, that would make this a decent projection.
Also, if Whisenhunt would play Stevens more on Lewan's side, that's a nice two to run behind but he's often on the right.
DGB has shown to be a surprisingly great blocker.
They should be able to run exactly where Sankey wants it.
My problem though is they rarely did last year.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
chook
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Sitting on my bench, of course. He outscored my two starters combined, Anderson and Forsett, by 8 points. I hate this hobby.
cstu
Footballguy
aardball44
Footballguy
they ran outside where he likes and he did well. Inside, no different, runs into a wall.
Initially when asked how he thought Sankey did, Whis said "gooood tough"
That is new and something he maybe never said before. Good for him.
Still nada from Fowler which is odd. Barely any McCluster which is odd because he's coach's pet. Next week Andrews should return as he was a late scratch with his hammy and the supposed rain.
It's not any clearer. West did prove to be fine between the Ts but he was meh outside. West didn't do well in red zone so it's still very much the same.
Sankey is lead dog.
Andrews GL back
McCluster 3rd down back. (Fowler was moreso today but better blocker was always a possibility at times)
Andrews still looks like most complete back but you could tell if Sankey would just nail a few hard runs up the middle it'd be all his.
Andrews needed today. West will have another week of practice. It was worded that with Andrews out West will get his carries, still the "tone" that Andrews' role is fine but it can't be too too secure that he can miss much time here. I'm sure West knows Cobb's coming back and wants to impress before then
Initially when asked how he thought Sankey did, Whis said "gooood tough"
That is new and something he maybe never said before. Good for him.
Still nada from Fowler which is odd. Barely any McCluster which is odd because he's coach's pet. Next week Andrews should return as he was a late scratch with his hammy and the supposed rain.
It's not any clearer. West did prove to be fine between the Ts but he was meh outside. West didn't do well in red zone so it's still very much the same.
Sankey is lead dog.
Andrews GL back
McCluster 3rd down back. (Fowler was moreso today but better blocker was always a possibility at times)
Andrews still looks like most complete back but you could tell if Sankey would just nail a few hard runs up the middle it'd be all his.
Andrews needed today. West will have another week of practice. It was worded that with Andrews out West will get his carries, still the "tone" that Andrews' role is fine but it can't be too too secure that he can miss much time here. I'm sure West knows Cobb's coming back and wants to impress before then
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Sankey looked more decisive and comfortable. Wisenhunt's rotations sometimes are tough to watch. Sankey has a nice run and looks like he is getting in a groove and then gets pulled.
They don't need to rotate 3 rb's in at this stage. Just go Sankey and whoever backs him up which appears to be West at this stage. Mccluster does not need to be in there at all.
90 yards on 14 touches and 2 td's is a very good game to gain more ground for Sankey.
They don't need to rotate 3 rb's in at this stage. Just go Sankey and whoever backs him up which appears to be West at this stage. Mccluster does not need to be in there at all.
90 yards on 14 touches and 2 td's is a very good game to gain more ground for Sankey.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I added by detailed observation of most of the Titans plays in this thread. There were a lot of running plays in this game, in part because of the early lead in the score, but also because for the most part, it was working.
People have said that Sankey does not have any special traits as a RB. Here are a couple that I think Sankey has shown at both the college and professional level:
He has very good balance. Sankey is able to keep plays alive by not going down to contact and keeping his legs moving. On one of the plays he is able to break a tackle from a defender who had lifted him from the ground by planting strongly once his feet did touch the ground again. He also shows the ability to keep plays alive by using his free arm to keep his knee from touching the ground. I have seen him do this to great effect in college as well as in multiple games as a pro.
He runs very low to the ground providing a small target. Good yards after contact because of this. Something he has improved upon since being drafted.
Very quick jump cuts to help avoid defenders in the backfield.
West had 2 goal line run opportunities earlier in the game. He failed on both attempts. Later in the game Sankey got an opportunity at the goal line and delivered the TD.
Not sure if Andrews will maintain that role when he returns to the line up. He seemed to have goal line in preseason. For this first game I would say Sankey has won the goal line job over West.
People have said that Sankey does not have any special traits as a RB. Here are a couple that I think Sankey has shown at both the college and professional level:
He has very good balance. Sankey is able to keep plays alive by not going down to contact and keeping his legs moving. On one of the plays he is able to break a tackle from a defender who had lifted him from the ground by planting strongly once his feet did touch the ground again. He also shows the ability to keep plays alive by using his free arm to keep his knee from touching the ground. I have seen him do this to great effect in college as well as in multiple games as a pro.
He runs very low to the ground providing a small target. Good yards after contact because of this. Something he has improved upon since being drafted.
Very quick jump cuts to help avoid defenders in the backfield.
West had 2 goal line run opportunities earlier in the game. He failed on both attempts. Later in the game Sankey got an opportunity at the goal line and delivered the TD.
Not sure if Andrews will maintain that role when he returns to the line up. He seemed to have goal line in preseason. For this first game I would say Sankey has won the goal line job over West.
cstu
Footballguy
Manster
Footballguy
I'm goin back and forth between him and sproles....leaning sproles, and hoping he doesn't disappear like he will. It seems pretty obvious that the Eagles need to get the ball in sproles hands in space though.
Sankey is going to get opps, and if mariota continues to look like he did first game, it opens the whole thing up.
Sankey is going to get opps, and if mariota continues to look like he did first game, it opens the whole thing up.
From Whisenhunt today:
(on if he goes into games with a number of touches in mind for Bishop Sankey
)
I wish you could. I wish you could put a number on it. Every game is going to be different in how the game goes. We go in with ideas of plays that we’d like to get to or things that we’d like to do, but sometimes, just the way the game goes changes that. So not really, I don’t have a set number of touches. But (Bishop Sankey) is certainly deserving of getting a few more with the way he ran last game.
(on Bishop Sankey paying attention to the little details)
I think naturally, second year in the league, it’s a little bit easier just to understand all the things that go with it. (Bishop Sankey) did a lot of work in the offseason; a lot of hard work on his courses, his footwork, all of those things. Maybe that’s what’s making the difference for him. There’s no doubt that he’s a lot more comfortable, and you can play faster, do it with a little bit more authority when you feel that way. But you can’t take away the fact that he’s worked pretty hard at it.
(on if Bishop Sankey’s yards after contact were a product of increased strength or confidence)
Well (Steve) Watterson wants to take credit for it from working with him in the strength program, of course. That’s how those strength guys are. But I do think that there’s a benefit to that. He’s a little bit stronger. But maybe he’s just more confident, feels better about what he’s doing.
(on if he goes into games with a number of touches in mind for Bishop Sankey
)I wish you could. I wish you could put a number on it. Every game is going to be different in how the game goes. We go in with ideas of plays that we’d like to get to or things that we’d like to do, but sometimes, just the way the game goes changes that. So not really, I don’t have a set number of touches. But (Bishop Sankey) is certainly deserving of getting a few more with the way he ran last game.
(on Bishop Sankey paying attention to the little details)
I think naturally, second year in the league, it’s a little bit easier just to understand all the things that go with it. (Bishop Sankey) did a lot of work in the offseason; a lot of hard work on his courses, his footwork, all of those things. Maybe that’s what’s making the difference for him. There’s no doubt that he’s a lot more comfortable, and you can play faster, do it with a little bit more authority when you feel that way. But you can’t take away the fact that he’s worked pretty hard at it.
(on if Bishop Sankey’s yards after contact were a product of increased strength or confidence)
Well (Steve) Watterson wants to take credit for it from working with him in the strength program, of course. That’s how those strength guys are. But I do think that there’s a benefit to that. He’s a little bit stronger. But maybe he’s just more confident, feels better about what he’s doing.
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EBF
Footballguy
Bigsuck was really bad in year one, but looked slightly better this preseason.
The whole TEN team surprised me in week one. I thought that game would go the opposite way and picked my teams accordingly in daily FF (had Dougie and Bucs D in a few places). The big question for the Titans and their skill players is whether or not that game was a fluke. I'm not a believer just yet...
The whole TEN team surprised me in week one. I thought that game would go the opposite way and picked my teams accordingly in daily FF (had Dougie and Bucs D in a few places). The big question for the Titans and their skill players is whether or not that game was a fluke. I'm not a believer just yet...
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Just traded for him. Like what I'm hearing from his coach. We'll see.
I tried to get him in both of my leagues this year. I drafted him in one and got too cute in the other and missed him by a couple of picks. Might try to trade for him in that league.
Been going back and forth between Sankey and Doug Martin all week as my RB2. I may need to see one more good game from him. I'm leaning towards Martin mostly because of distribution of carries. The fact that Sankey had one less carry than West last week is a bit bothersome.
As you wish and all but I don't think you have this luxury in a traditional sense. Andrews will return soon (thought it'd be this week), West will get comfy, and Cobb will return. Sankey's value will be less N less as the season wears on especially if he doesn't establish himself as the bell cow.
Their 4th round FB has talent and is expected to be part of the O, more than just some FB. This too will bite into Sankey usage.
If you're gonna start em' do it now and ride it while you can. If not, I'd trade him.
Oddly enough DGB is such a good blocker that he affects Sankey. When he's in they'll run his way and Sankey is best outside. Without DGB they pound it a lot and this isn't Sankey's style. We may see an uptick in Sankey's stats later in the season as DGB gets more comfy but I think the writing is still on the wall for him.
People like the GL carry but ignore that he only got it because West struggled badly. No GL carries in preseason. No third downs then or week 1. New guy that doesn't know the O got as many snaps as him.
Fine for DFS but I still think he's a backup by year's end.
He's got a nice blend of speed N quickness and very smooth with the ball in his hands when he's in space. He's an exceptional receiver at times and (if he could block!) would make an outstanding 3rd down RB. I think this is his future and that he'll have an impact as a 3rd down back like ol Meggett, Faulk, Vereen
CheeseCurds
Footballguy
I am playing him too. I drafted him in all of my redrafts and I think he is the real deal.
I've never seen so much hate for a guy as talented as he is.
He has 4.4 speed, great quicks, great hands and a great nose for the end zone.
He was used as a workhorse at Washington and had big time production in the Pac 10.
I don't get the hate - so he had a rough rookie year? A lot of guys struggle out of the gate - and now he has a QB in the backfield with him....
Sky's the limit!
