Official Bishop Sankey - Best RB in the 2014 Draft (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

Cobb will be a big threat to Stankey IMO. No speed, but otherwise a very good back.

He's a lesser version of Antonio Andrews

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Cobb will be a big threat to Stankey IMO. No speed, but otherwise a very good back.

The good news is if you have Sankey - you can easily go out and get a later rookie pick to protect yourself...The Titans waited until round 5 to add a back...

I thought you'd be off the Sankey train by now Brewtown.

A back doesn't have to be perfect to have FF value. He just has to be the best back on his team. This feels a bit like the Zac Stacy pick in the 5th in 2013. That pick came a year after the Rams whiffed on Pead in the 2nd round. This Cobb pick comes a year after the Titans whiffed on Sankey in the 2nd. If Cobb can come in and play reasonably well then he can potentially have redraft value this year. No guarantee that he'll beat out Greene and Sankey, but I like his prospects a lot more than the typical 5th round NFL draft pick.

EBF - do you have a list of successful RB's who ran a 4.81 at the combine or 4.73 at their Pro Day?

I think Charles Clay from Wisconsin had a similar 40 time...

There was no Charles Clay at Wisconsin, though there was a John Clay

 

[werdnoynek]

Lache is going to show them both up...

 

[msommer]

Whatever happened to Brewtown

 

[EBF]

Whatever happened to Brewtown

Jeremy's Spoken = Brewtown

 

[Jeremy's Spoken]

Cobb will be a big threat to Stankey IMO. No speed, but otherwise a very good back.

The good news is if you have Sankey - you can easily go out and get a later rookie pick to protect yourself...The Titans waited until round 5 to add a back...

I thought you'd be off the Sankey train by now Brewtown.

A back doesn't have to be perfect to have FF value. He just has to be the best back on his team. This feels a bit like the Zac Stacy pick in the 5th in 2013. That pick came a year after the Rams whiffed on Pead in the 2nd round. This Cobb pick comes a year after the Titans whiffed on Sankey in the 2nd. If Cobb can come in and play reasonably well then he can potentially have redraft value this year. No guarantee that he'll beat out Greene and Sankey, but I like his prospects a lot more than the typical 5th round NFL draft pick.

EBF - do you have a list of successful RB's who ran a 4.81 at the combine or 4.73 at their Pro Day?

I think Charles Clay from Wisconsin had a similar 40 time...

There was no Charles Clay at Wisconsin, though there was a John Clay

Charles/John... If you run a 4.8 forty I will not remember your name!!!

 

[werdnoynek]

Sankey is a role player who isn't even good at his role. Cobb should easily take over the lead back role.

 

[Madden Curse]

I'm really curious what Sankey is being sold for these days. Maybe he will turn it around, but it doesn't seem like the club has a lot of optimism. Only thing working in his favor is that the competition is still weak - and I guess there's a chance that they still bring in a free agent.

 

[Eminence]

Sankey is a role player who isn't even good at his role. Cobb should easily take over the lead back role.

This is what I think as well.

 

[Jeremy's Spoken]

“Bishop has got to play a little better than he did last year from the standpoint of assignment-wise,” coach Ken Whisenhunt said. “He’s been in here working very hard. I have no doubt that missing the spring last year [because Washington was still in school] hurt him. …

“I think Bishop will be better, he understands his role better. There were some things he did well and some things he didn’t do as well. As far as how the carries split, the thing you like about both these guys is they are three-down backs. You don’t have to rotate as much. Maybe you can get them in there and get a little bit more of a feel for those guys. Maybe rotate them or spell them by when they need a break now.”

 

[mlball77]

I recently acquired Sankey, as I needed some rb depth. Admittedly, I am not that high on him, but felt the price was worth it. -When I made the move, I basically assumed rbbc in Ten with maybe a rd 3 ish NFL rookie. While I don't think Cobb is a bum, I feel decent, as a Sankey owner, that only only a 5th rd rb was drafted.

 

[cstu]

I'm really curious what Sankey is being sold for these days. Maybe he will turn it around, but it doesn't seem like the club has a lot of optimism. Only thing working in his favor is that the competition is still weak - and I guess there's a chance that they still bring in a free agent.

That's funny, because I think their actions say the opposite.

They drafted a FB when there were more likely every down backs still on the board (Allen, Davis, Ajayi).

In the 5th they took a tough runner who is literally one of the slowest RB's in the draft (only Kenny Hilliard taken by the Texans in the 7th).

The draft went as well as it could have for Sankey.

 

[mlball77]

I'm really curious what Sankey is being sold for these days. Maybe he will turn it around, but it doesn't seem like the club has a lot of optimism. Only thing working in his favor is that the competition is still weak - and I guess there's a chance that they still bring in a free agent.

That's funny, because I think their actions say the opposite.

They drafted a FB when there were more likely every down backs still on the board (Allen, Davis, Ajayi).

In the 5th they took a tough runner who is literally one of the slowest RB's in the draft (only Kenny Hilliard taken by the Texans in the 7th).

The draft went as well as it could have for Sankey.

I agree.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Cobb will be a big threat to Stankey IMO. No speed, but otherwise a very good back.

The good news is if you have Sankey - you can easily go out and get a later rookie pick to protect yourself...The Titans waited until round 5 to add a back...

I thought you'd be off the Sankey train by now Brewtown.

A back doesn't have to be perfect to have FF value. He just has to be the best back on his team. This feels a bit like the Zac Stacy pick in the 5th in 2013. That pick came a year after the Rams whiffed on Pead in the 2nd round. This Cobb pick comes a year after the Titans whiffed on Sankey in the 2nd. If Cobb can come in and play reasonably well then he can potentially have redraft value this year. No guarantee that he'll beat out Greene and Sankey, but I like his prospects a lot more than the typical 5th round NFL draft pick.

EBF - do you have a list of successful RB's who ran a 4.81 at the combine or 4.73 at their Pro Day?

Stephan Taylor perhaps?

 

[Bri]

Sankey is a role player who isn't even good at his role. Cobb should easily take over the lead back role.

Everything I read about Cobb seems like a lesser version of Andrews.

Why do you think he and not Andrews will beat out Sankey?

 

[jurb26]

Cobb hype is a product of the power DJ has. Nobody would be talking about him if DJ hadn't continually stamped his approval on this guy.

I like DJ more than anyone else in the media but I don't see it with Cobb.

Tenn took a flyer on a RB in round 5 and people think this is a terrible indication for him?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Good sign for Sankey owners

 

[EBF]

Cobb hype is a product of the power DJ has. Nobody would be talking about him if DJ hadn't continually stamped his approval on this guy.

Cobb ranked 11th in the country in rushing yards last season. A lot of the guys immediately ahead and behind of him on that list were prominent prospects in this draft (Gordon, Coleman, Ajayi, Duke) or figure to be in future drafts (Elliott, Perine). To say "nobody would be talking about him" if not for some pundit is a slight on his college career. Based on what he did at Minnesota, he would've been getting looks regardless.

I think this situation is interesting not only because Cobb looks to be a decent prospect, but also because of how underwhelming Sankey/Greene are. Being the best talent in a lackluster RB group can translate to some pretty significant short-term RB production. Cobb might not be great, but nothing about Sankey or Greene strikes fear into anyone. There's definitely a chance that he will beat out those two jokers.

 

[jurb26]

Cobb hype is a product of the power DJ has. Nobody would be talking about him if DJ hadn't continually stamped his approval on this guy.

Cobb ranked 11th in the country in rushing yards last season. A lot of the guys immediately ahead and behind of him on that list were prominent prospects in this draft (Gordon, Coleman, Ajayi, Duke) or figure to be in future drafts (Elliott, Perine). To say "nobody would be talking about him" if not for some pundit is a slight on his college career. Based on what he did at Minnesota, he would've been getting looks regardless.

If it was as simple as rushing stats then people would be talking about Cameron Artis-Payne. He ranked 13 in the country in rushing yds and had very similar numbers as Cobb. He was also drafted in round 5.

Where is all his talk?

 

[EBF]

He ranked 13 in the country in rushing yds and had very similar numbers as Cobb. He was also drafted in round 5.Where is all his talk?

They're different players, but apart from that I think people recognize that there's less opportunity in Carolina than there is in Tennessee barring injury. There is 0% chance that Artis-Payne beats out a healthy Stewart, whereas it seems a lot more believable that Cobb could beat out Stankey/Greene. I'm sure that's a big part of the reason why there's more "talk" about Cobb (though there isn't much really). ADP is always linked to immediate opportunity with RBs. People will reach for a guy with an open opportunity (i.e. Zac Stacy two years ago) and pass on guys who have blocked paths (i.e. McKinnon, Knile, Michael, Pierce).

 

[jurb26]

He ranked 13 in the country in rushing yds and had very similar numbers as Cobb. He was also drafted in round 5.

Where is all his talk?

They're different players, but apart from that I think people recognize that there's less opportunity in Carolina than there is in Tennessee barring injury. There is 0% chance that Artis-Payne beats out a healthy Stewart, whereas it seems a lot more believable that Cobb could beat out Stankey/Greene. I'm sure that's a big part of the reason why there's more "talk" about Cobb (though there isn't much really). ADP is always linked to immediate opportunity with RBs. People will reach for a guy with an open opportunity (i.e. Zac Stacy two years ago) and pass on guys who have blocked paths (i.e. McKinnon, Knile, Michael, Pierce).

I don't disagree Stewart is tougher to beat out. I still believe Cobb would largely be ignored by the fantasy community if it weren't for DJ, though. This didn't start after the draft. It started well before it.

 

[squistion]

Cobb could beat out Stankey/Greene.

Could you please stop referring to him as "Stankey"?

I know you think you're funny and cute but it comes across as an immature comment from someone in middle school rather than a 31 year old adult.

 

[EBF]

I still believe Cobb would largely be ignored by the fantasy community if it weren't for DJ, though. This didn't start after the draft. It started well before it.

I really doubt one guy is responsible for the hype.

I think a common practice in FF is to look at shaky RB situations and try to identify the guy who sucks the least. This is just that. Nothing more.

If you think Pead sucks, maybe you give Stacy a shot. If you think Gerhart sucks, maybe you give Denard Robinson a shot. If you think Ball sucks, maybe you give CJ Anderson a shot.

People are always rostering RBs with a hope that they can get a shot and do something with it. There will always be interest in those players. The greater the perceived opportunity, the higher the interest will be.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Cobb could beat out Stankey/Greene.

Could you please stop referring to him as "Stankey"?

I know you think you're funny and cute but it comes across as an immature comment from someone in middle school rather than a 31 year old adult.

If he plays better, the (obvious) puns will go away. If he doesn't, wordplay will be the least of his worries.

 

[squistion]

Cobb could beat out Stankey/Greene.

Could you please stop referring to him as "Stankey"?

I know you think you're funny and cute but it comes across as an immature comment from someone in middle school rather than a 31 year old adult.

If he plays better, the (obvious) puns will go away.

Not from EBF they won't (if the past is any indication).

EBF has never liked Sankey and acts like he should be working stand-up for repeatedly calling him Stankey (yuk yuk). If EBF is really serious about having an intelligent discussion regarding Sankey, he will stop using this nickname.

 

[Bri]

Cobb hype is a product of the power DJ has. Nobody would be talking about him if DJ hadn't continually stamped his approval on this guy.

Cobb ranked 11th in the country in rushing yards last season. A lot of the guys immediately ahead and behind of him on that list were prominent prospects in this draft (Gordon, Coleman, Ajayi, Duke) or figure to be in future drafts (Elliott, Perine). To say "nobody would be talking about him" if not for some pundit is a slight on his college career. Based on what he did at Minnesota, he would've been getting looks regardless.

If it was as simple as rushing stats then people would be talking about Cameron Artis-Payne.He ranked 13 in the country in rushing yds and had very similar numbers as Cobb. He was also drafted in round 5.

Where is all his talk?

Still ignoring Andrews in this thread

2012 ranked 3rd yards from scrimmage

2013 led NCAA in yards from scrimmage

8th and 7th in rushing yards with a 5.9 average, 6.5 as a senior

 

[Bob Magaw]

Cobb could beat out Stankey/Greene.

Could you please stop referring to him as "Stankey"?

I know you think you're funny and cute but it comes across as an immature comment from someone in middle school rather than a 31 year old adult.

If he plays better, the (obvious) puns will go away.

Not from EBF they won't' (if the past is any indication).

EBF has never liked Sankey and acts like he should be working stand-up for repeatedly calling him Stankey (yuk yuk). No matter how much better Sankey plays, he will still call him that. If EBF was serious about having an intelligent discussion regarding Sankey, he should stop using this stupid nickname.

If he plays better and that continues, than the joke will be on EBF, and nobody will care any more. Meaning if it plays out like that (and not saying that is the case, that Sankey couldn't disappoint, or that EBF wouldn't cease), he wouldn't be taken seriously, at least about that, so it would be kind of self-correcting, either way.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Cobb could beat out Stankey/Greene.

Could you please stop referring to him as "Stankey"?I know you think you're funny and cute but it comes across as an immature comment from someone in middle school rather than a 31 year old adult.

If he plays better, the (obvious) puns will go away.

Not from EBF they won't (if the past is any indication).EBF has never liked Sankey and acts like he should be working stand-up for repeatedly calling him Stankey (yuk yuk). If EBF is really serious about having an intelligent discussion regarding Sankey, he will stop using this nickname.

Did EBF have a one night stand with your sister and not call her the next morning or something? 85% of your posts are calling him out on his "misses" or bashing his arrogance. Who cares, it's a message board and he's a message board poster. Agree or disagree but then move on.

Give it up.

 

[cstu]

"It was terrible," LT Taylor Lewan said of the run game. "I would never put that on the backs. ... They have to be put in the right place. If they are having to make guys miss in the backfield, you are not going to have a great running game. We have to have a bond and have a cohesive unit. When we do that, that's when it's their turn. ... We have to do a better job, all five of us. We definitely don't want to be the weak link."

http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2015/05/10/titans-taylor-lewan-nfl-tennessee/27095263/

 

[beef]

• According to his NFL.com draft profile, Cobb gained 54 percent of his yardage the past two seasons after initial contact. He totaled 1,828 yards over that span, which means he gained almost 1,000 yards (987, to be precise) after the first hit.

• According to cfbstats.com, Cobb was given the ball 31 times on third down last season and he picked up 19 first downs, a success rate of 61.3 percent. That was one of the top rates in the nation among backs with at least 30 third-down carries, ranking Cobb higher than higher-drafted players including Michigan State's Jeremy Langford (50 percent), Wisconsin's Melvin Gordon (47.1) and Alabama's T.J. Yeldon (46.7).

• On third downs with 1-3 yards to go, Cobb picked up 12 first downs on 17 attempts, a 70.6 percent success rate that was also among the nation's best.

not too bad.

 

[cstu]

• According to his NFL.com draft profile, Cobb gained 54 percent of his yardage the past two seasons after initial contact. He totaled 1,828 yards over that span, which means he gained almost 1,000 yards (987, to be precise) after the first hit.

• According to cfbstats.com, Cobb was given the ball 31 times on third down last season and he picked up 19 first downs, a success rate of 61.3 percent. That was one of the top rates in the nation among backs with at least 30 third-down carries, ranking Cobb higher than higher-drafted players including Michigan State's Jeremy Langford (50 percent), Wisconsin's Melvin Gordon (47.1) and Alabama's T.J. Yeldon (46.7).

• On third downs with 1-3 yards to go, Cobb picked up 12 first downs on 17 attempts, a 70.6 percent success rate that was also among the nation's best.

not too bad.

What percent of his yards did Shonn Greene have after initial contact?

 

[beef]

• According to his NFL.com draft profile, Cobb gained 54 percent of his yardage the past two seasons after initial contact. He totaled 1,828 yards over that span, which means he gained almost 1,000 yards (987, to be precise) after the first hit.

• According to cfbstats.com, Cobb was given the ball 31 times on third down last season and he picked up 19 first downs, a success rate of 61.3 percent. That was one of the top rates in the nation among backs with at least 30 third-down carries, ranking Cobb higher than higher-drafted players including Michigan State's Jeremy Langford (50 percent), Wisconsin's Melvin Gordon (47.1) and Alabama's T.J. Yeldon (46.7).

• On third downs with 1-3 yards to go, Cobb picked up 12 first downs on 17 attempts, a 70.6 percent success rate that was also among the nation's best.

not too bad.

What percent of his yards did Shonn Greene have after initial contact?

he didn't have enough carries for the statwhores to even look into it.

 

[cstu]

he didn't have enough carries for the statwhores to even look into it.

I mean in college. Never heard any numbers but his draft profile read like Greene:

Strengths

Greene is an absolute load to tackle. He has a short, stocky build and is tough to contain once he gets a head of steam. He is a powerful runner that runs through arm tackles, and refuses to go down on first contact. Greene thrives as a workhorse and can handle the load of 20 plus carries a game. He also shows surprising quickness and footwork for a 230lber. He gets to full speed quickly and has the ability to make the first defender miss and get up the field.

 

[ZWK]

• According to his NFL.com draft profile, Cobb gained 54 percent of his yardage the past two seasons after initial contact. He totaled 1,828 yards over that span, which means he gained almost 1,000 yards (987, to be precise) after the first hit.

• According to cfbstats.com, Cobb was given the ball 31 times on third down last season and he picked up 19 first downs, a success rate of 61.3 percent. That was one of the top rates in the nation among backs with at least 30 third-down carries, ranking Cobb higher than higher-drafted players including Michigan State's Jeremy Langford (50 percent), Wisconsin's Melvin Gordon (47.1) and Alabama's T.J. Yeldon (46.7).

• On third downs with 1-3 yards to go, Cobb picked up 12 first downs on 17 attempts, a 70.6 percent success rate that was also among the nation's best.

not too bad.

A 70.6% success rate on 3rd & short is actually slightly below average. RBs who were better this year include Gurley, Duke Johnson, Ajayi, Artis-Payne, Karlos Williams, and Mike Davis. RBs who were better last year include Sankey, Hill, Hyde, Mason, Freeman, Carey, Gaffney, and Storm Johnson. See column N of this spreadsheet.

 

[Bri]

• According to his NFL.com draft profile, Cobb gained 54 percent of his yardage the past two seasons after initial contact. He totaled 1,828 yards over that span, which means he gained almost 1,000 yards (987, to be precise) after the first hit.

• According to cfbstats.com, Cobb was given the ball 31 times on third down last season and he picked up 19 first downs, a success rate of 61.3 percent. That was one of the top rates in the nation among backs with at least 30 third-down carries, ranking Cobb higher than higher-drafted players including Michigan State's Jeremy Langford (50 percent), Wisconsin's Melvin Gordon (47.1) and Alabama's T.J. Yeldon (46.7).

• On third downs with 1-3 yards to go, Cobb picked up 12 first downs on 17 attempts, a 70.6 percent success rate that was also among the nation's best.

not too bad.

A 70.6% success rate on 3rd & short is actually slightly below average. RBs who were better this year include Gurley, Duke Johnson, Ajayi, Artis-Payne, Karlos Williams, and Mike Davis. RBs who were better last year include Sankey, Hill, Hyde, Mason, Freeman, Carey, Gaffney, and Storm Johnson. See column N of this spreadsheet.

add Andrews into your chart please

 

[Bri]

he didn't have enough carries for the statwhores to even look into it.

I mean in college. Never heard any numbers but his draft profile read like Greene:

Strengths

Greene is an absolute load to tackle. He has a short, stocky build and is tough to contain once he gets a head of steam. He is a powerful runner that runs through arm tackles, and refuses to go down on first contact. Greene thrives as a workhorse and can handle the load of 20 plus carries a game. He also shows surprising quickness and footwork for a 230lber. He gets to full speed quickly and has the ability to make the first defender miss and get up the field.

Greene had some speed with the Jets. After he took a hit or rammed through defenders, he could get ahold of himself and just burst away.

He lost that speed quicker than any RB in recent memory, but nothing I've read about Cobb seems to indicate he can win a footrace with NFL DBs.

My issue with Cobb is he seems like new and improved Titans Greene and what they need is Jets Greene.

 

[Bri]

Here's an Andrews bit from Titans site for those forgetting about him-

OLLEGE:
• During his four-year career at Western Kentucky, appeared in 42 games, starting 25 contests, including starts in his last 24 appearances. Notched 3,674 yards with 29 touchdowns on 618 carries (5.9 avg.). Scored 198 points on 33 total touchdowns and amassed 6,799 all-purpose yards, an average of 161.9 yards per game.

AS A SENIOR (2013), started all 12 contests and rushed for 1,730 yards to break his own school record by two yards. Rushed for a career-high 16 touchdowns on 267 carries (6.5 avg.).
• Named Sun Belt Conference Most Valuable Player and Offensive Player of the Year by The NFL Draft Report. Was a finalist for the Paul Hornung Award and Lee Roy Selmon Spirit Award and a semi-finalist for the Doak Walker Award.

AS A JUNIOR (2012), posted 1,728 yards on 304 carries, ranking third in the nation for rushing. Added 37 catches for 432 yards, 234 yards on 19 punt returns and 767 yards on 28 kickoff returns.
• Led the nation with 3,161 all-purpose yards, the second-highest total in a season by an NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision player.

AS A SOPHOMORE (2011), appeared in eight games as a reserve tailback, seeing most of his action on special teams. Used as a quarterback in the “wildcat” formation, but did not attempt any passes. Amassed 590 all-purpose yards consisting of 42 yards on 15 carries, 16 yards on two catches, 27 yards on four punt returns and 505 yards on 18 kickoff returns (28.0 avg.).

AS A FRESHMAN (2010), played in eight contests and gained 174 rushing yards and 37 receiving yards. Spent the bulk of his freshman season on special teams, averaging 21.6 yards as a kickoff returner and 4.8 yards on punt returns.

 

[Bri]

I don't think Cobb is any good for dynasty. Teams always try to have some fancy RB on their roster and never seem satisfied with a hard hat type. I could "buy" Cobb for this year, maybe next year, but he's not the thoroughbred that all teams seem to try to find. Sankey represents the current blue chip that should be capable and if he fails, they'll draft or sign another. I feel like Cobb will always have quality competition that holds a genuine threat to him ever having some long storied productive career that dynasty people want.

My love for Alstott, every tough RB, and every FB that has ever carried the rock has never been enough for them to be a featured back for too long.

The NFL likes pretty runners

Drafting Cobb in dynasty then trading him away once he's had some success seems like the wise move here.

 

[cstu]

I don't think Cobb is any good for dynasty. Teams always try to have some fancy RB on their roster and never seem satisfied with a hard hat type. I could "buy" Cobb for this year, maybe next year, but he's not the thoroughbred that all teams seem to try to find. Sankey represents the current blue chip that should be capable and if he fails, they'll draft or sign another. I feel like Cobb will always have quality competition that holds a genuine threat to him ever having some long storied productive career that dynasty people want.

My love for Alstott, every tough RB, and every FB that has ever carried the rock has never been enough for them to be a featured back for too long.

The NFL likes pretty runners

Drafting Cobb in dynasty then trading him away once he's had some success seems like the wise move here.

Sankey may not be 'the guy' but I'm pretty sure Cobb isn't.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I don't think Cobb is any good for dynasty. Teams always try to have some fancy RB on their roster and never seem satisfied with a hard hat type. I could "buy" Cobb for this year, maybe next year, but he's not the thoroughbred that all teams seem to try to find. Sankey represents the current blue chip that should be capable and if he fails, they'll draft or sign another. I feel like Cobb will always have quality competition that holds a genuine threat to him ever having some long storied productive career that dynasty people want.

My love for Alstott, every tough RB, and every FB that has ever carried the rock has never been enough for them to be a featured back for too long.

The NFL likes pretty runners

Drafting Cobb in dynasty then trading him away once he's had some success seems like the wise move here.

Sankey may not be 'the guy' but I'm pretty sure Cobb isn't.

Were you similarly confident that Arian Foster wasn't the guy? Or Alfred Morris? I get it, he is a late round pick. The odds are low he becomes "the guy." Logically, we should all be saying that for pretty much any RB drafted in round 4 or later.

 

[Bri]

I don't think Cobb is any good for dynasty. Teams always try to have some fancy RB on their roster and never seem satisfied with a hard hat type. I could "buy" Cobb for this year, maybe next year, but he's not the thoroughbred that all teams seem to try to find. Sankey represents the current blue chip that should be capable and if he fails, they'll draft or sign another. I feel like Cobb will always have quality competition that holds a genuine threat to him ever having some long storied productive career that dynasty people want.

My love for Alstott, every tough RB, and every FB that has ever carried the rock has never been enough for them to be a featured back for too long.

The NFL likes pretty runners

Drafting Cobb in dynasty then trading him away once he's had some success seems like the wise move here.

Sankey may not be 'the guy' but I'm pretty sure Cobb isn't.

Were you similarly confident that Arian Foster wasn't the guy? Or Alfred Morris? I get it, he is a late round pick. The odds are low he becomes "the guy." Logically, we should all be saying that for pretty much any RB drafted in round 4 or later.

It's more about lack of speed, moves, and breakaway ability for me.

 

[ZWK]

• According to his NFL.com draft profile, Cobb gained 54 percent of his yardage the past two seasons after initial contact. He totaled 1,828 yards over that span, which means he gained almost 1,000 yards (987, to be precise) after the first hit.

• According to cfbstats.com, Cobb was given the ball 31 times on third down last season and he picked up 19 first downs, a success rate of 61.3 percent. That was one of the top rates in the nation among backs with at least 30 third-down carries, ranking Cobb higher than higher-drafted players including Michigan State's Jeremy Langford (50 percent), Wisconsin's Melvin Gordon (47.1) and Alabama's T.J. Yeldon (46.7).

• On third downs with 1-3 yards to go, Cobb picked up 12 first downs on 17 attempts, a 70.6 percent success rate that was also among the nation's best.

not too bad.

A 70.6% success rate on 3rd & short is actually slightly below average. RBs who were better this year include Gurley, Duke Johnson, Ajayi, Artis-Payne, Karlos Williams, and Mike Davis. RBs who were better last year include Sankey, Hill, Hyde, Mason, Freeman, Carey, Gaffney, and Storm Johnson. See column N of this spreadsheet.

add Andrews into your chart please

Antonio Andrews is in there. See the 2013 season tab, row 37. He was slightly better than Cobb on 3rd and short. Andrews is also one of the least athletic RBs to participate in the NFL combine in the past 17 years. His 40 time, vertical, broad jump, and short shuttle are all among the 15 worst by a RB since 1999.

 

[Bri]

thank you

 

[Bri]

• According to his NFL.com draft profile, Cobb gained 54 percent of his yardage the past two seasons after initial contact. He totaled 1,828 yards over that span, which means he gained almost 1,000 yards (987, to be precise) after the first hit.

• According to cfbstats.com, Cobb was given the ball 31 times on third down last season and he picked up 19 first downs, a success rate of 61.3 percent. That was one of the top rates in the nation among backs with at least 30 third-down carries, ranking Cobb higher than higher-drafted players including Michigan State's Jeremy Langford (50 percent), Wisconsin's Melvin Gordon (47.1) and Alabama's T.J. Yeldon (46.7).

• On third downs with 1-3 yards to go, Cobb picked up 12 first downs on 17 attempts, a 70.6 percent success rate that was also among the nation's best.

not too bad.

A 70.6% success rate on 3rd & short is actually slightly below average. RBs who were better this year include Gurley, Duke Johnson, Ajayi, Artis-Payne, Karlos Williams, and Mike Davis. RBs who were better last year include Sankey, Hill, Hyde, Mason, Freeman, Carey, Gaffney, and Storm Johnson. See column N of this spreadsheet.

add Andrews into your chart please

Antonio Andrews is in there. See the 2013 season tab, row 37. He was slightly better than Cobb on 3rd and short. Andrews is also one of the least athletic RBs to participate in the NFL combine in the past 17 years. His 40 time, vertical, broad jump, and short shuttle are all among the 15 worst by a RB since 1999.

Least athletic? DO you mean his vertical is a couple inches less, his 40 time .1-.2 slow etc?

What about his production? Looking at your chart those numbers seem quite favorable

 

[cstu]

Least athletic? DO you mean his vertical is a couple inches less, his 40 time .1-.2 slow etc?

What about his production? Looking at your chart those numbers seem quite favorable

Cobb can play in the NFL but expecting anything more than Shonn Greene is unrealistic.

Greene on the left, Cobb on the right:

• Height: 5' 11" vs 5'11"
• Weight: 227 vs 229
• 40 Yard Dash: 4.62 vs 4.81
• Bench Press: 19 (23 at Pro Day) vs 17
• Vertical Jump: 37" vs 38.5"
• Broad Jump: 121" vs 121"
• 20 Yard Shuttle: 4.40 vs 4.55 (Pro Day)
• 3 Cone: 7.10 vs 7.01 (Pro Day)

 

[EBF]

Cobb can play in the NFL but expecting anything more than Shonn Greene is unrealistic.

Greene on the left, Cobb on the right:

• Height: 5' 11" vs 5'11"
• Weight: 227 vs 229
• 40 Yard Dash: 4.62 vs 4.81
• Bench Press: 19 (23 at Pro Day) vs 17
• Vertical Jump: 37" vs 38.5"
• Broad Jump: 121" vs 121"
• 20 Yard Shuttle: 4.40 vs 4.55 (Pro Day)
• 3 Cone: 7.10 vs 7.01 (Pro Day)

What does that prove? It's easy to cherry pick examples of guys with putrid combine numbers who had great careers (Frank Gore, Arian Foster) and guys who rocked the testing and were mediocre or worse in the NFL (Joseph Addai, Donald Brown). Would you say that Foster has a lower ceiling than Addai because he tested worse? Clearly it doesn't work that way. I don't think comparing Greene and Cobb reveals much besides a bias to believe that Cobb can't be more than mediocre. For that matter, the 4.81 time comes with a big asterisk since he clearly pulled up lame before the finish line:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000478108/2015-Combine-workout-David-Cobb

I like Cobb a bit, but I didn't get him in any of my leagues because (IMO) he was overvalued for a 5th round NFL draft pick to the extent that it never made sense to pick him at his ADP. I don't own any Tennessee RBs in any of my leagues. That being said, Sankey was so underwhelming last year that virtually any RB capable of sticking on a 53 man NFL roster represents a threat to his touches. If Cobb is the next Shonn Greene, that's probably still more than Sankey will ever be.

I'm avoiding this situation in dynasty, but from a redraft standpoint it reeks of one of those Zac Stacy/Knowshon Moreno situations where the correct answer to "Which RB on this roster sucks the least?" might net you useful RB depth for a cheap price.

 

[Bri]

he had said andrews was least athletic, not cobb

 

[cstu]

What does that prove? It's easy to cherry pick examples of guys with putrid combine numbers who had great careers (Frank Gore, Arian Foster). Would you say that Foster has a lower ceiling than Addai because he tested worse? Clearly it doesn't work that way.

I'd leave Gore out of it since he not only was recovering from a torn ACL he also ran much faster than Cobb at his Pro Day (4.58 to 4.73.

Foster is a fair comparison but he's clearly an outlier. Now that Foster has done what he did every time a RB tests poorly people can say "But Foster...".

The most likely outcome will be Vick Ballard, but I suppose the hope is always there that he is another Foster.

I don't care if you think Sankey is joke and doesn't deserve to be the in the NFL - that doesn't mean Cobb is the guy who is going to replace him.

 

[werdnoynek]

What does that prove? It's easy to cherry pick examples of guys with putrid combine numbers who had great careers (Frank Gore, Arian Foster). Would you say that Foster has a lower ceiling than Addai because he tested worse? Clearly it doesn't work that way.

I'd leave Gore out of it since he not only was recovering from a torn ACL he also ran much faster than Cobb at his Pro Day (4.58 to 4.73.

Foster is a fair comparison but he's clearly an outlier. Now that Foster has done what he did every time a RB tests poorly people can say "But Foster...".

The most likely outcome will be Vick Ballard, but I suppose the hope is always there that he is another Foster.

I don't care if you think Sankey is joke and doesn't deserve to be the in the NFL - that doesn't mean Cobb is the guy who is going to replace him.

Sankey may be more of an athlete and better in the gym, but he doesn't have the skills on the field that Cobb has.

Cobb injured himself running the 40 at the combine and was still dealing with it at his pro-day. I'm confident he plays much quicker than his numbers showed. Cobb does everything well, not great - more than most non-fanboys can say about Sankey.

He's not going to blow your socks off with any special traits, but he doesn't have to be special to beat out Sankey.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

No rb will look good until the Titans get that O line figured out and have a bit more consistency at the QB position. It is easy to beat up on Sankey for the year he had and no doubt he can get better himself, but that team and situation was a mess last year. It is way to early to say I told you so one way or another on Sankey.

I am not worried about the success of Sankey coming down to a competition with him and Cobb. Cobb was a 5th round rookie pick for a reason. Those guys project as career back ups. The success of Sankey will rely on improved O line play and QB play. A lot can be learned after a year of playing time and a full year to work on your weaknesses as a player. I think it would be foolish to say Sankey has no chance to be successful going forward.