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Official CJ Spiller (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Or this year in most cases. He still has a late third ADP. Unless one goes RBRBRB, then he's a second RB, not flex.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Are people really wringing their hands this badly when there hasn't been a game yet?! Come on man! He will get his 15-18 weekly touches, plus a kickoff return or two.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
Here we go with CJ Spiller drama. New year, same ship. Why do I keep drafting him?
trader jake
Footballguy
Three years ago, because he was a value where he was going/how he was valued.Last year, not sure. He was ranked way too high by most.
This year, because he's a value where he was going/how he is valued.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Can't wait to watch him break off some 20+ yard runs.
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
Spiller TD!!!
OC Zed
Footballguy
Spiller looked good today and was used in the redzone and on some third downs (changes from last year). Although the Bills showed that they plan on using the RBBC approach with Jackson and Dixon in the mix. At this point, I think he's still a worthy flex play, and maybe a RB2 if you're thin at the position.
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
And makes you look, less than smart.
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
With PPR just seems like a really good rb2. You know he is getting minimum 5 catches a game. He will hold his own in that spot.
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
Sorry wrote catches meant points. In the end games he is healthy in he is going to average 12 to 15 ppg.
No worries, I agree with you. Just pointing out the stats, which baffle me because he really should get more targets.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
I have a strange feeling Spiller gets traded to Baltimore.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
As a Bills fan I would be OK with that. I think we need to do whatever we can to get back into the first (I know Spiller alone won't get it done). But we need to take another shot at drafting a franchise QB and I think we'll need a first to do that.
I think Freddie, Brown and Dixon will be just fine without Spiller.
I think Freddie, Brown and Dixon will be just fine without Spiller.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well winning games will only make it less likely.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
He had a nice week. I kinda want to trade him (in dynasty).
OC Zed
Footballguy
Bills have started negotiating a contract extension with Spiller's new agent.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-news/2014/9/9/6126017/buffalo-bills-cj-spiller-contract-negotiations-2014
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-news/2014/9/9/6126017/buffalo-bills-cj-spiller-contract-negotiations-2014
If only he wasn't the second best RB on the team
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Honestly, the first thing I thought about when I heard this was that is was total BS in hopes of upping his trade value.
trader jake
Footballguy
Spiller's agent passed away (a year ago?) and he had not hired a new agent since that occurred. I think part of this was held up by the lack of agent and recently Spiller made his hire. If the Bills went in the tank early I could see them making a trade, but with the Watkins trade at the draft and the 1-0 start I'm not sure it makes much sense.ghostguy123 said:
FJax has his merits for sure, but Spiller has been much more productive than him on a per touch basis for the past two years. Even with a high ankle sprain last year.
2013FJax has his merits for sure, but Spiller has been much more productive than him on a per touch basis for the past two years. Even with a high ankle sprain last year.
Spiller: 202 carries, 933 yards, 4.6 y/a, 2 TDs
Jackson: 206 carries, 890 yards, 4.3 y/a, 9 TDs
I think the +7 edge in TDs is a bit more impressive than the 43 extra yards. Their workload running the ball was almost identical, although Fred had to take on more of the short-yardage duties, which are going to hurt your averages anyway.
Spiller's 2012 was amazing and he's an incredible talent, but Jackson is just a really good all around back and generally underrated by a lot of people.
OC Zed
Footballguy
The TD comparison is a bit unfair given that Jackson monopolized the redzone work last year. Last week's game showed that the coaching staff may be more willing to keep Spiller in the game at the goal line.2013FJax has his merits for sure, but Spiller has been much more productive than him on a per touch basis for the past two years. Even with a high ankle sprain last year.
Spiller: 202 carries, 933 yards, 4.6 y/a, 2 TDs
Jackson: 206 carries, 890 yards, 4.3 y/a, 9 TDs
I think the +7 edge in TDs is a bit more impressive than the 43 extra yards. Their workload running the ball was almost identical, although Fred had to take on more of the short-yardage duties, which are going to hurt your averages anyway.
Spiller's 2012 was amazing and he's an incredible talent, but Jackson is just a really good all around back and generally underrated by a lot of people.
OC Zed
Footballguy
I don't see a trade happening either unless they were given an absolute king's ransom for Spiller. The front office recognizes that everyone's job is on the line after this year, so it's definitely win-now mode.
20132013FJax has his merits for sure, but Spiller has been much more productive than him on a per touch basis for the past two years. Even with a high ankle sprain last year.
Spiller: 202 carries, 933 yards, 4.6 y/a, 2 TDs
Jackson: 206 carries, 890 yards, 4.3 y/a, 9 TDs
I think the +7 edge in TDs is a bit more impressive than the 43 extra yards. Their workload running the ball was almost identical, although Fred had to take on more of the short-yardage duties, which are going to hurt your averages anyway.
Spiller's 2012 was amazing and he's an incredible talent, but Jackson is just a really good all around back and generally underrated by a lot of people.
Spiller: 1 carry inside the 5 yard line - 0 TDs
Jackson: 18 carries inside the 5 yard line - 7 TDs
Perhaps it was situation rather than talent all along that led to those 7 TDs? Did I just uncover the mystery here? I love how you use the TDs from the short yardage work to pump Jackson, but want to use that as an excuse for the difference in ypc. So you are the type of person who wants to have his cake and eat it, too.
Also, you seem to think comparing a guy playing on a high ankle sprain to a healthy guy is an equal comparison. But if you actually look at Spiller's splits, you'll see as he got healthy, the gap between the two became apparent.
Games 1-8:
Spiller - 4.0 ypc
Jackson - 4.2 ypc
Games 9-16:
Spiller - 5.1 ypc
Jackson - 4.4 ypc
Again, I don't dislike Jackson. But calling him the better RB is a bit silly.
my initial comment was mostly tongue in cheek.FF Ninja said:
both players are very good. I think I could make the case that Jackson is a better overall player, but he's near the end of his career and Spiller is a top-10 pick in his prime so it probably really shouldn't even be close. Yet it is. That's why Spiller doesn't see the 20+ touches every game most of us would like to see him get...because Jackson is really good and really the only veteran leader on offense these days. I'm happy to have both backs on the Bills. Spiller has more explosiveness and big play ability, but Jackson just doesn't make mistakes and breaks off plenty of big runs himself.
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ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Jackson is the COP back. Of course he will look good on his 2 carries per quarter. If anything should change, Spiller should be getting screen passes!
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Still not producing much. We shouldn't be surprised with the Jackson there I guess, but it makes it hard to play Spiller. He's a very weak RB 2, and a middle of the road flex/RB3.
ETA: He's currently tied for the 30th RB in PPG average.
ETA: He's currently tied for the 30th RB in PPG average.
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matttyl
Footballguy
For what it's worth, he's tied as the #13 RB in my league (pretty standard, no PPR, but does award return yardage points). He's been very consistent in his touches per game, between 13 and 18 from scrimmage and another 7 kick off returns (where he's currently 5th in the league in kick return yards).
He's not the worst flex spot option, especially considering he hasn't had his first rushing TD yet. That said, he's nearly unstartable in 3 of his next 5 games - Jets, Lions and a bye. He'll face the Jets again week 12, but after that he's got some very good matchups.
He's not the worst flex spot option, especially considering he hasn't had his first rushing TD yet. That said, he's nearly unstartable in 3 of his next 5 games - Jets, Lions and a bye. He'll face the Jets again week 12, but after that he's got some very good matchups.
Rick James
Footballguy
This Spiller/Jackson thing sucks. I've got both, and they sit on my bench unless I've got BYE week issues. I don't think either will be worth anything unless one of the two gets injured.
shader
Footballguy
I agree.
What is weird to me is the way they are used. They use Spiller like he's a big back and give Jackson the stuff you'd expect to see from a COP back.
It's really odd.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I didnt think a new regime could be worse than Chan Gailey, yet here we are
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Makes no sense, Spiller's talent outside the tackles is being completely wasted.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
How does the change to Orton affect Spiller and the run game?
Fantasy gold for ALL Bills players. I stand by my belief in the preseason, EJ Manuel is the worst QB in football. He might be the worst backup now. He's just horrific.
Jackson doesn't get a ton of carries, but based on playing time he seems to be the lead back. Certainly gets a lot more playing time than anyone I'd call a "COP back".
Spiller's snap count: 28, 25, 25, 32 = 27.5/game
Jackson's snap count: 29, 31, 45, 40 = 36/game
Gailey was pretty great for the offense. What didn't you like? Spiller averaging 6 yards per carry in 2012 or Freddy averaging 5.5/carry in 2011?bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
