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Official CJ Spiller (1 Viewer)

Add me to the list of measured pessimists. I have Spiller in 2 redrafts, one 14 teamer where I picked him up last week to cover heavy week 9 byes after he was dropped by the owner I traded him to earlier this season and another where I traded for him after week 1 but he is buried on my bench in a league with really deep rosters and limited pick ups.

By most accounts he is not a quick study and despite his weekly coach speak about getting him the ball more, Payton clearly does not fully trust Spiller. As noted above, in a game where Brees threw for 500 yards and completed 40 passes, Spiller had just 2 for 15. And that was with Robinson missing an entire half.

Maybe the week 11 bye provides the coaching staff an opportunity to get him more involved but at that point most wont need him to cover byes any more and how could you trust him in your lineup. Spiller is well on his way to being one of the biggest teases in recent FF history.

 
They have to use Spiller more ...no way can Ingram carry the load alone without breaking down...he runs too hard ...takes too many hits ...i had him last year and remember him wearing out late in the season

 
BustedKnuckles said:
They have to use Spiller more ...no way can Ingram carry the load alone without breaking down...he runs too hard ...takes too many hits ...i had him last year and remember him wearing out late in the season
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It won't be just Ingram, and it won't be just Ingram and Spiller. They'll add another RB and/or start using Murphy in the offense. Like others, I think Spiller should get more touches than before but Khiry's injury probably helps Ingram way more than Spiller.

Pierre Thomas seems like a no-brainer if he's in shape (or close to it).

 
I think he's going to produce next year what we thought he was going to do this year. Too much opportunity in NO to not figure a niche for himself.

Promising to see him scoring a touchdown lined up as WR.

 
3 touches.....really?!?!?

Picked him up off waivers after trading him away early in the season. Then with Khiry out made a trade for Gronk that had me thinking Spiller could be a viable flex play. But this is ridiculous.

Cannot be trusted in your lineup.

 
Ilov80s said:
If you have Ingram, do you even need to own Spiller at this point? Is he a handcuff?
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Not really.

He plays 16-21 snaps a game, generally only on passing downs

I never saw any reason to think the Khiry injury was an uptick to Spiller - they had different roles

 
Ilov80s said:
If you have Ingram, do you even need to own Spiller at this point? Is he a handcuff?
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Spiller really isnt neededanywhere.

I'd certainly rather own Spiller than Hightower (on the street last 2 months/out of football for years) but I wouldn't treat him any differently than any other backup RB. If the Saints thought Spiller was a better receiver than Ingram, he'd be getting more time.

 
Warrior said:
He played LESS snaps this week without Khiry. 6 total snaps.
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I think he would get hardly any snaps if Ingram was injured too. Brees appears to really like Ingram but not Spiller. Its like a WR that Peyton doesn't trust. He's not even going to look your way while you rot on the bench. The worst thing for fantasy owners was that OT TD catch. False hope rekindled but he is not a part of this offense in any meaningful way.

 
At this point it's perplexing to say the least.

This isn't Michael, Spiller is proven and they opened their wallet for him.

 
I'll say that one play that stood out was when he had a decent shot at turning the corner with one man, probably a LB, to beat and he more or less dodged it to the sideline. That's how it looked. He didn't turn the corner or lower his head. That was a 3rd down play, so the Saints had to punt. Can't say that was a play that put him in a "doghouse" but I remember him getting just one touch after that. That play was like riding a bike to Sproles, surefire 1st down. Pierre was typically slippery and tough enough to turn it upfield and also have a good shot at winning the battle. I think that's what Payton expects.

 
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VaTerp said:
Payton and Brees don't trust this guy in pass pro at all. That's on Spiller. And doesnt even seem to mind not playing.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2015/11/new_orleans_saints_cj_spiller_6.html

He'll likely be on my roster for at least another week but he's basically worthless.
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What's crazy is that they don't even use their RBs to block very much. I forgot where I read it, but they asked Sproles to block on something like 2.3% of his snaps while he was in New Orleans.

 
kOOk said:
This isn't Michael, Spiller is proven and they opened their wallet for him.
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Proven to be overrated. His vision is lacking, he doesn't hit or anticipate small holes.

It's so refreshing to have McCoy, who sets up and sneaks through the tiniest of holes.

 
FF Ninja said:
VaTerp said:
Payton and Brees don't trust this guy in pass pro at all. That's on Spiller. And doesnt even seem to mind not playing.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2015/11/new_orleans_saints_cj_spiller_6.html

He'll likely be on my roster for at least another week but he's basically worthless.
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What's crazy is that they don't even use their RBs to block very much. I forgot where I read it, but they asked Sproles to block on something like 2.3% of his snaps while he was in New Orleans.
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Right. I know pass pro is not a strength of Spiller's but I cant imagine Sproles or a young Reggie Bush being that great at it either. You would have figured the Saints knew that and signed him to be used in a similar fashion as those two.

I was a big fan of Spiller's coming into the league out of Clemson and his 2012 season had me thinking he was a PPR stud in the making. But two coaching staffs have made it clear they don't trust him on the field all that much. He reportedly scored a 9 on the wunderlic and seems like a really slow study. This is his 6th year in the league and he hasnt become competent in pass pro. And he's really not proven to be that dynamic of a runner other than when he has a huge hole or can get to the edge easily to use his speed.

As I said before, one of the biggest FF teases in recent history.

 
I should probably just cut him but with so little out there on the ww I'm still holding on for some reason.

What's really troubling is Spiller has not even asked why he isnt playing more. So if the issue is pass pro, he doesnt even seem to be aware that's something he needs to work on to get on the field.



"I haven't went up there and asked for an explanation. Obviously, there has to be a reason behind it," Spiller said

"I don't control when I go in," Spiller said. "I just try to stay in tune with the game so that when I am called upon that I'm ready to go. Obviously you want to play more, I'm a competitor, you want to go out there. You can't play with 12 people on the field."

You would think the coaches and Spiller would be having these conversations if the goal, his or the team's, was to get him on the field more. But nope.....the whole situation is just mind boggling and beyond frustrating.

 
Why in God's name did they pay so much for this guy to have him used so little?? No wonder the Saints are in the situation they are in.

 
I'm only keeping him BC I have Ingram as a poster above mentioned. Funny thing though, if Ingram went down, I'm not even sure spiller would be the guy.

 
I drafted Spiller but dumped him a long time ago. I just picked up Hightower thinking that he'll get the bulk of the carries with Spiller coming in as the change of pace guy.

We'll see...

 
All you guys talking smack about Spiller are off. This guys has been given a real chance to this point. Not sure how that him bad or a bum or whatever.

He will likely be given a chance in the coming weeks and if he flops then you can call him whatever you want. There's gonna be some guys feeling pretty silly if he does what many expected as the beginning of the year.

 
T.Rex said:
All you guys talking smack about Spiller are off. This guys has been given a real chance to this point. Not sure how that him bad or a bum or whatever.

He will likely be given a chance in the coming weeks and if he flops then you can call him whatever you want. There's gonna be some guys feeling pretty silly if he does what many expected as the beginning of the year.
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Quite literally everything we've seen from him so far this year instills zero confidence that he'd do anything even if Hightower wasn't around. I mean, his involvement decreased after Robinson went down. It's been brutal.

I actually rostered him for ####s (while on a bye) just in case by some miracle he becomes a legit fantasy asset that could be used against me but I believe the expectations are justifiably very very low.

 
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SameSongNDance said:
T.Rex said:
All you guys talking smack about Spiller are off. This guys has been given a real chance to this point. Not sure how that him bad or a bum or whatever.

He will likely be given a chance in the coming weeks and if he flops then you can call him whatever you want. There's gonna be some guys feeling pretty silly if he does what many expected as the beginning of the year.
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Quite literally everything we've seen from him so far this year instills zero confidence that he'd do anything even if Hightower wasn't around. I mean, his involvement decreased after Robinson went down. It's been brutal.

I actually rostered him for ####s (while on a bye) just in case by some miracle he becomes a legit fantasy asset that could be used against me but I believe the expectations are justifiably very very low.
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I still like his talent, but his usage has not even remotely resembled Sproles, Bush, or Pierre Thomas. He's being rolled out like a rando 3rd string RB. No gimmick plays for him, nothing to utilize his strengths. Kind of like how they used Ingram incorrectly for a few years. It's not that I don't trust Spiller, it's that I can't fathom trusting his usage. So I'd recommend holding off for a week for all his owners if they can. If he tears it up this week on the road, then start with confidence in week 15 and 16 against Det and Jax, both at home.

 
I'm beginning to think more and more that the issue with Spiller isn't talent, it's that he's dumb and can't learn the system. I read an article somewhere a month or so back about it. They were saying that basically Spiller was constantly missing reads and blocking assignments, etc. That's the kind of thing that an NFL coach would notice, but a casual fan might not. There are very few people who would say Spiller can't run with the ball in his hands. He's physically gifted. But...to be that physically gifted and not see the field as much points to other issues (see Michael, Christine).

Spiller isn't where he needs to be when he's on the field, so he's rarely on the field. The writing is on the wall here folks. Peyton would've used him a lot more if they thought he had potential. It's not like they haven't been in games that were shoot-outs and could've used a home-run threat like Spiller, and he still hasn't gotten looks.

Hightower is the guy to own here...but neither of them is Ingram.

 
Maybe. He seemed to learn Chan Gailey's system just fine. I've been burned by Spiller so many times over the years, I'm basically "never again" until he actually does something to earn more game opportunities. Any increased usage now is from attrition, not earned. I'll pass. Having said that...

This week might not be as telling as we'd like. Spiller's weapon is speed, and this is his only remaining game on grass. ROS is on indoor turf. He might do little this week but get used more on the turf, or be more successful on the turf. I still don't trust him but thought I'd throw that out there for those that grabbed him.

 
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Fat Nick said:
I'm beginning to think more and more that the issue with Spiller isn't talent, it's that he's dumb and can't learn the system. I read an article somewhere a month or so back about it. They were saying that basically Spiller was constantly missing reads and blocking assignments, etc. That's the kind of thing that an NFL coach would notice, but a casual fan might not. There are very few people who would say Spiller can't run with the ball in his hands. He's physically gifted. But...to be that physically gifted and not see the field as much points to other issues (see Michael, Christine).

Spiller isn't where he needs to be when he's on the field, so he's rarely on the field. The writing is on the wall here folks. Peyton would've used him a lot more if they thought he had potential. It's not like they haven't been in games that were shoot-outs and could've used a home-run threat like Spiller, and he still hasn't gotten looks.

Hightower is the guy to own here...but neither of them is Ingram.
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The thing is that running backs in the Payton offense are rarely asked to block, so how many blocks could he miss when he's only in the game for 10-15 snaps? I don't have it on hand, but when Sproles played for the Saints he was asked to block on only like 2.3% of his snaps. So if anyone is saying Spiller isn't playing because he's missing blocks then either Sean Payton has drastically changed his offense or they are full of it. I mean, it seems they've abandoned the Sproles role, but the other New Orleans backs on that list I saw weren't asked to block very much, either.

But I don't doubt there is some truth to the "slow to pick up the system" rumors. Spiller barely played as a 9th overall pick rookie. Perhaps this is why.

 
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