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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (26 Viewers)

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parasaurolophus said:
Where did you read this? 

Its early, but there seems to be plenty of evidence that the warmer temps and/higher humidity will help. 
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I can see higher humidity helping marginally, by making water droplets heavier and thereby getting them falling out of breathable air faster. But I'm no scientist.

 
chet said:
I don't mean to come off as a person who's only touting "my" product and someone who thinks every other product is going to fail.  I am simply repeating what I hear from an MD who seems to understand what's going on here as well as perhaps anyone.  FWIW, they have now treated 4 patients and results should be available Tuesday afternoon.
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Did you discuss chloroquine AND hydroxychloroquine with your friend? 
 

To be clear, I’m not dissing your product, or any others. And I’m not in the business of pharmaceutical development. But I do have insight into the general history of antiviral therapeutics, and the challenges encountered when new drugs are introduced.

 
The General said:
Why this Nobel laureate predicts a quicker coronavirus recovery: 'We're going to be fine'

Let’s go with what this guy says.
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After reviewing each country’s data on Worldometer, he doesn’t appear to be wrong. Only China and South Korea have a full curve, and those countries did a lot of mitigation. But Iran and Italy do appear to be at the top of their curves if this guy is on to the trend correctly. After implementing social distancing, that would put the U.S. on the correct side of the curve around 8-9 weeks from now, or right around May 31st. 

 
DrJ said:
The virus isn't a big deal.   The overreaction to it is going to cause some issues.
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How many 1) cases / 2) hospitalizations / 3) deaths would qualify for a big deal? 
 

You seem to have numbers or ballparks in mind, since you know this doesn't meet them. I'd love to hear them. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I don't understand...you think people can sit still for 14 days completely locked down, no trips out for food or medicine? Because even people jogging back and forth for essentials is going to continue to spread this thing. 
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Go to the supermarket and pharmacy and it’s reasonable to stock up for 14 days.

Now 2 months is more realistic given the curve of the virus, so stock up for a month and then go to the supermarket and pharmacy and do it again. It’s not really that far fetched.

Then go for a walk every day and don’t encounter other people closely. Wave to them from across the street. Again, not that far fetched.

Why we can’t seem to do this is baffling.

 
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How many 1) cases / 2) hospitalizations / 3) deaths would qualify for a big deal? 
 

You seem to have numbers or ballparks in mind, since you know this doesn't meet them. I'd love to hear them. 
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It's gotta beat the flu before it even becomes a deal let alone a big deal.

 
That Stanford Biophysicist Nobel Laureate guy said the same thing.    And we may both be wrong.    But that's how I perceive the current level of risk.

 
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DrJ said:
The virus isn't a big deal.   The overreaction to it is going to cause some issues.
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How many 1) cases / 2) hospitalizations / 3) deaths would qualify for a big deal? 
 

You seem to have numbers or ballparks in mind, since you know this doesn't meet them. I'd love to hear them. 
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Monday 100 US deaths, Friday 200, Sunday morning 300, Sunday night 400.

 
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DrJ said:
That Stanford Biophysicist Nobel Laureate guy said the same thing.    And we may both be wrong.    But that's how I perceive the current level of risk.
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Do you think China would've leveled off where they did, had they not instituted their quarantine measures? Because from your posts, it seems to me you're saying that 'social distancing' and 'shelter in place' orders are just panic and fear, not really helping. Am I off?

 
chet said:
We also need a serologic test so we can tell who's had the disease and get them back to work to try and alleviate some of the economic damage.  You could also put healthcare workers who have had it on the front line to try and protect those who haven't had it. 
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Except there are reports of some people in China getting reinfected. Its not clear yet if they were truly reinfected or still just had low levels of the virus in their system after they felt better. It probably the latter, but it's still too early to tell.  

 
I have been following this thread since the beginning, and all through this, I continue to wonder what happened to Herbert the Hippo. It just seems like he might have some valuable input here.

Admittedly, I’ve been gone for the better part of a decade, I know about Shiny and Tremendous Upside, but is there a thread somewhere that acknowledges people who know longer post for whatever reason?

I know this isn’t the place for that kind of question, but when have you ever seen a thread go 400 pages in two months?

 
ProstheticRGK said:
Do you think China would've leveled off where they did, had they not instituted their quarantine measures? Because from your posts, it seems to me you're saying that 'social distancing' and 'shelter in place' orders are just panic and fear, not really helping. Am I off?
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I don't disagree they will help.... for however long we implement them.    And then stuff will probably just start kicking right back up again and I don't buy that China has 0 new cases.    I expect to still have Corona cases in 2021.  

 
Honus said:
I have been following this thread since the beginning, and all through this, I continue to wonder what happened to Herbert the Hippo. It just seems like he might have some valuable input here.

Admittedly, I’ve been gone for the better part of a decade, I know about Shiny and Tremendous Upside, but is there a thread somewhere that acknowledges people who know longer post for whatever reason?

I know this isn’t the place for that kind of question, but when have you ever seen a thread go 400 pages in two months?
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probably the 9/11 thread, and maybe the Russian Bride Draft, but that’s it 

 
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DrJ said:
I don't disagree they will help.... for however long we implement them.    And then stuff will probably just start kicking right back up again and I don't buy that China has 0 new cases.    I expect to still have Corona cases in 2021.  
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Ok, I follow that. What else should we do?

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I don't understand...you think people can sit still for 14 days completely locked down, no trips out for food or medicine? Because even people jogging back and forth for essentials is going to continue to spread this thing. 

I'm not sure anyone seems to understand how many people it takes to operate a government and run a city especially like NYC. These cities are not under lockdown no matter what you may hear. Sure, nobody is going to work but that's not true because people are still moving about.

I'm not sure I understand the logic or how you could even logistically carry it out. I don't want to argue or fight, I would like to understand where this is coming from because I don't have any clarity. What if 14 days isn't enough? A month? 2 Months? Whatever it takes, give up all liberties at a time like this? I need this group that is really shaming anyone who isn't of the mindset to sit huddled in their living rooms, do you really think you can control all people like your suggesting? People come from all walks of life and upbringing and what you hold or value as VITAL at a time like this doesn't necessarily hold true for others or everyone else. 
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Sorry, but Ben Franklin was absolutely wrong with his liberty and safety nonsense imo. There comes a point where liberty don't mean jack #&#_.

 
ProstheticRGK said:
Ok, I follow that. What else should we do?
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Well I'm all for encouraging people to work from home, encouraging them to be safer and practice a little bit of social distancing, getting more medical stuff and dumping all the resources we possibly can to get them what they need.    But shutting down all businesses and destroying the economy is going to cause all kinds of damage, depression, poverty, death, etc, etc as well.    So that's excessive.    Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.   Especially when you're not truly curing the disease and are just hoping to contain it some.      And even the best case for that, where we presume the economy just goes back to normal in a few months or whatever, we get trillions upon trillions in debt.

 
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joffer said:
probably the 9/11 thread, and maybe the Russian Bride Draft, but that’s it 
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Cripes...!

There really should be someplace for memorials other than that. Even being a lurker, I’ve gotten to know a lot of you guys, and I care about what happens. I imagine a lot of other lurkers do too.

Sorry for the hijack. This virus is teh suck to be sure. And yada yada bagels.

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
Go to the supermarket and pharmacy and it’s reasonable to stock up for 14 days.

Now 2 months is more realistic given the curve of the virus, so stock up for a month and then go to the supermarket and pharmacy and do it again. It’s not really that far fetched.

Then go for a walk every day and don’t encounter other people closely. Wave to them from across the street. Again, not that far fetched.

Why we can’t seem to do this is baffling.
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Well to start, most of us have bills to pay.

 
Honus said:
Cripes...!

There really should be someplace for memorials other than that. Even being a lurker, I’ve gotten to know a lot of you guys, and I care about what happens. I imagine a lot of other lurkers do too.
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Believe it. 

 
DrJ said:
Well I'm all for encouraging people to work from home, encouraging them to be safer and practice a little bit of social distancing, getting more medical stuff and dumping all the resources we possibly can to get them what they need.    But shutting down all businesses and destroying the economy is going to cause all kinds of damage, depression, poverty, death, etc, etc as well.    So that's excessive.    Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.   Especially when you're not truly curing the disease and are just hoping to contain it some.      And even the best case for that, where we presume the economy just goes back to normal in a few months or whatever, we get trillions upon trillions in debt.
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What worries me is that we did this backwards, and our desire to this in half measures is what is going to do a lot of the damage you talk about above.  

We knew what was coming, and countries that holed up for a couple weeks seemed to slow it down.  So IMO what will do a lot of damage is us slowly doing this- put a lot of people are still out of a job now, but it wasnt enough so we will really have to close up.  So combining those plus now more will be sick, we will be battling this for months and people will be out of income for a long time.  

What would this have looked like if a bit ago leadership told us to lockdown for 2 weeks, why, how they will help during that time, then after that we implement these WFH scenarios, smaller groups, etc..   it would have sucked, but that was doable.  

All the excuses people list for why we couldn't do this before now, and we still don't have all states trying it, are pretty lame.  Is it leadership, uneducated population, stubbornness, hubris, unprepared, what? I would understand if we were ground zero for this, but we had a couple months notice.  As soon as those coastal cities started seeing signs, we should have acted quickly and decisively as a country. 

IF that link provided before is true, there are states like NY that are past the point where hospitals will be overrun, WI is a couple days away, and others have about a week.  

 
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Phil Elliott said:
Your Amazon order may not be delivered until April 21.
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My wife bought a bicycle on Amazon yesterday and got the same thing.  One month to deliver something -- wow -- Amazon must be totally inundated.  Oddly I bought something yesterday, razors or somesuch crap, I forget what, and it said it'd be here Wednesday.

:shrug:

 
Otis said:
My wife bought a bicycle on Amazon yesterday and got the same thing.  One month to deliver something -- wow -- Amazon must be totally inundated.  Oddly I bought something yesterday, razors or somesuch crap, I forget what, and it said it'd be here Wednesday.

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I think necessity items get priority.  Everything else is delayed

 
I gotta say, I just don't understand why the Japanese and/or the IOC are holding on to the Olympics. Shocked it hasn't been canceled yet. Good for Canada pulling out. Sends the right message; others need to get on board. Jesus man. Ain't no way it happens.

 
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Grace Under Pressure said:
Go to the supermarket and pharmacy and it’s reasonable to stock up for 14 days.

Now 2 months is more realistic given the curve of the virus, so stock up for a month and then go to the supermarket and pharmacy and do it again. It’s not really that far fetched.

Then go for a walk every day and don’t encounter other people closely. Wave to them from across the street. Again, not that far fetched.

Why we can’t seem to do this is baffling.
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Infuriating, not baffling.  Americans are generally selfish and self centered.  And they are using any and every excuse to go out right now, especially those who are most vulnerable.  And then you have all the “you can’t tell me what to do” crowd on top of that.  

 
New study claims potential for smokers (incl vapers) to be more at risk to get Covid-19

This one will require more research for sure, but it seems plausible

The ACE2 receptor provides a human cell-binding site for the S protein for the SARS-coronavirus (SARS-CoV) [20,21,22] (a virus that was first identified in 2003 in a southern province of China [23,24,25]), the coronavirus NL63 [20,26], and now SARS-CoV-2 [27]. Recent studies have found that the modified S protein of SARS-CoV-2 has a significantly higher affinity for ACE2 and is 10- to 20-fold more likely to bind to ACE2 in human cells than the S protein of the previous SARS-CoV [28,29]. This increase in affinity may enable easier person-to-person spread of the virus and thus contribute to a higher estimated R0 for SARS-CoV-2 than the previous SARS virus. The ACE2 protein is expressed on the surface of lung type-2 pneumocytes [30]. It could thus act as a novel adhesion molecule for Covid-19 and be a potential therapeutic target for the prevention of fatal microbial infections in the community.
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DrJ said:
Exactly.    There’s millions that have this right now, and people are overrunning hospitals with the common cold because people freaked them out 
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Don't know what hospital you've seen, but mine isn't overrun with people worried about cold symptoms. Refreshingly, COVID-19 has scared people who aren't really sick away from the ER. Primary care clinics and urgent care centers might have a different experience.

 
matttyl said:
Infuriating, not baffling.  Americans are generally selfish and self centered.  And they are using any and every excuse to go out right now, especially those who are most vulnerable.  And then you have all the “you can’t tell me what to do” crowd on top of that.  
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"We want to help local restaurants and get carry out. Give me some recommendations please" 

Gets 10 suggestions. 

Follows none of them. Gets carry out from a place that there are several photos on facebook already tagged there. 

In other words they wanted to get their regular carry out. Didnt want to be judged. 

 
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NotSmart said:
I think this is key as well.

If people know they've already had it and recovered from it, that frees them up to start helping in whatever way - work, get groceries for people, etc.

I think the Red Cross should start testing all donated blood for the antibodies - the process is already in place for this to be done, the blood is tested after donation for HIV and other things.

As a bonus it would be an incentive for people to donate blood, which is currently in very short supply.

There would be a requirement needed for people to wait xx days (14?) without symptoms after having tested positive for the antibody, to make sure they are past the point of being able transmit the virus.
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I like this idea, but wonder how people would try to game the system and potentially facilitate spread of SARS-CoV-2? A lot of people are gonna be desperate for income soon, if not already.

So to be clear, do you think people who test negative for active infection AND antibodies should remain at home if non-essential?

 
Sandeman said:
I gotta say, I just don't understand why the Japanese and/or the IOC are holding on to the Olympics. Shocked it hasn't been canceled yet. Good for Canada pulling out. Sends the right message; others need to get on board. Jesus man. Ain't no way it happens.
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I’m guessing like so many of the other decisions being made it’s driven by $.  Japan has invested a ton of money into this, both in planning and in building up and revitalizing Tokyo. They’re going to eat a huge loss sandwich and the economy is going to hurt if they cancel, probably even postpone. It is surprising to me though, given how quick Abe reacted to shut schools there, that he hasn’t leaned on ####ting this down sooner. But then again the schools probably aren’t a huge money maker so....

 
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