*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (13 Viewers)

[Capella]

Cripes...!

There really should be someplace for memorials other than that. Even being a lurker, I’ve gotten to know a lot of you guys, and I care about what happens. I imagine a lot of other lurkers do too.

Sorry for the hijack. This virus is teh suck to be sure. And yada yada bagels.

There is a missing FBG thread. Probably on one of the first 3-4 pages. It was up top recently. 

 

[bcat01]

Saturday we dropped of some supplies to my parents and found out that my counsins had visited my 94 year old grandma Thursday and brought all of their kids.  She lives next door to my parents and my dad goes over everyday to check on her.  I told my dad they need he needs to call his brother and sisters and tell them no one needs to go visit if they have been around other people.  My mom called them Saturday and my aunt said "we thought of that after we went and we won't be going back".  Last night I see on the news that someone at a nursing home rehab has tested positive and I think that is where my counsin works.  I called my mom and she called my aunt.  My aunt got all defensive and said who told you?  She admitted that my cousin was in contact with the person and is in quarantine and that she knew already Saturday when my mom first talked to her.  It's unbelievable they would not say anything.  My mom is immunocompromised and we take care of my wifes elderly parents.  We kept our distance Saturday so we are not worried about contracting the virus.  I just can't believe they were not going to tell anyone.  My dad does not get mad, but he is furious about this.  The kicker is that they said my cousins husband is not in quaranteen because he is a truck driver and can stay in his truck.  So I guess he is not going to interact with anyone when he loads and unloads or has to use the restroom or get food.  Just needed to vent.  This is why this can spread so fast and we are not going to stop this quickly.

 

[Courtjester]

Bcatz that’s terrible 

i just don’t understand the selfishness of people 

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Where did you read this? 

Its early, but there seems to be plenty of evidence that the warmer temps and/higher humidity will help. 

cc: @Apple Jack

Here's the one I read.  A few weeks old now, so the numbers may have changed since they have more data to work with: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.18.20036731v1.full.pdf+html

There was another one out there that mentioned humidity as well, but can't find it at the moment. Will post if I run across it again. 

 

[rick6668]

My 19 year old son is an EMT.  Responded to a call overnight of someone complaining of aches.  Person is being quarantined at home based on being exposed.  Patient was tested and awaiting results.  Patient had a slight fever.  Patient refused service to hospital as unless they start having issues breathing they should stay home. 

He stripped down in the garage before coming in.  He told me this was the first time he was legitimately scared going into the house to treat a patient, he's been doing this for 18 months and already has seen a lot.

ETA: He definitely think the patient has COVID-19.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Well what about all the other stuff people said?    That it’s so dangerous because it evolved so rapidly to transmit between humans.   And has already evolved into multiple strains.      People that have antibodies aren’t safe either assuming this.    No one is and we’re all gonna die.   

The vast majority of mutations are of no functional significance. Only if the mutation results in structural changes to the area(s) recognized by our our immune system (antigenic epitopes), or otherwise alters virulence factors would the virus evade immunity and/or be "more dangerous."

Needless to say, this doesn't happen very often.

 

[Navin Johnson]

It's gotta beat the flu before it even becomes a deal let alone a big deal.

The human immune system is prepared to deal with the flu.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

 Yep. Currently good for about 6 months. 
 

14 days is a piece of cake for many of us in here and doable for the vast majority. 

Give your hand, let me help you step down off that pedestal you're on. 

 

[Big League Chew]

quarantine breakfast. oatmeal with protein powder cinnamon and peanut butter. kinda dry need more water next time

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Saturday we dropped of some supplies to my parents and found out that my counsins had visited my 94 year old grandma Thursday and brought all of their kids.  She lives next door to my parents and my dad goes over everyday to check on her.  I told my dad they need he needs to call his brother and sisters and tell them no one needs to go visit if they have been around other people.  My mom called them Saturday and my aunt said "we thought of that after we went and we won't be going back".  Last night I see on the news that someone at a nursing home rehab has tested positive and I think that is where my counsin works.  I called my mom and she called my aunt.  My aunt got all defensive and said who told you?  She admitted that my cousin was in contact with the person and is in quarantine and that she knew already Saturday when my mom first talked to her.  It's unbelievable they would not say anything.  My mom is immunocompromised and we take care of my wifes elderly parents.  We kept our distance Saturday so we are not worried about contracting the virus.  I just can't believe they were not going to tell anyone.  My dad does not get mad, but he is furious about this.  The kicker is that they said my cousins husband is not in quaranteen because he is a truck driver and can stay in his truck.  So I guess he is not going to interact with anyone when he loads and unloads or has to use the restroom or get food.  Just needed to vent.  This is why this can spread so fast and we are not going to stop this quickly.

I would be infuriated if I were you.  Sorry you are having to deal with this.

 

[bcat01]

I would be infuriated if I were you.  Sorry you are having to deal with this.

We are.  My mom said we are done with them.  My cousin should have known better than to go over their in the first place since she works at a nursing home.

 

[rustycolts]

Just saw on local News that Microgen has away to test 1000s of samples an hour. Plus non invasive just spit in a cup. Sounds promising. I don't know how to post link on cell phone because I am extremely low tech. But you can go to wftv.com scroll down to Lake Nona Genetic company testing to read about it.

 

[H Jass]

Soooooo.  I can understand if I were in their shoes, but New Yorkers fleeing the city to other parts of the country can't be a positive development in stopping this spread.

 

[Capella]

As you know, my family of four, with two kids, is well provisioned for months. But this last two weeks has made me pay attention to what ravenous beasts we are. 

First time I’ve ever been thankful my two year doesn’t want to eat. We out here re-wrapping up cereal. Yeesh. 

 

[Terminalxylem]

Question, I can't keep up with the thread:

My dad was asking the good question of how it's possible that, according to Cuomo, 40-80% of NYers will be infected.  That's 4 million people or more.  If you look at the numbers in China, as a percentage if came nowhere near that.  How is it possible???  That can't be right?

It was a good question from my old man.  What's the answer here?  

Thanks 

It's early, and it's possible we will have multiple waves of infection. Also "flattening the curve" prolongs the period during which transmission can occur.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Just saw on local News that Microgen has away to test 1000s of samples an hour. Plus non invasive just spit in a cup. Sounds promising. I don't know how to post link on cell phone because I am extremely low tech. But you can go to wftv.com scroll down to Lake Nona Genetic company testing to read about it.

https://www.wftv.com/video/?id=4862618

Edit: The US is really good at this sort of thing once we get going, i.e. once the FDA and CDC get out of everybody's way.  We all know that a vaccine is a ways off, but quick, easy, and cheap testing is going to be a game-changer in the meantime.

 

[AAABatteries]

So, I just found this and this could potentially become useful in trying to identify those with this.  Along those lines, I think there's a very high likelihood I had it as a carrier because I had this exact same experience about a week and a half ago.

Sudden loss of taste and smell reported in up to 30% of people with coronavirus

Another article

A couple times in my life I've had mild loss of taste and smell with a bad cold (lots of congestion, runny nose, etc.).  Nothing out of the ordinary.  But, a week and a half ago I felt as if I was coming down with something (right around the time things started to escalate).  I never had a fever but just overall didn't feel well, mild achiness.  However, the strange thing was that I had a sudden and COMPLETE loss of smell and almost all of my taste without any congestion or runny nose.  To the point where I couldn't smell anything even in the bathroom and tested out some strong and/or noxious smells (vinegar, laundry detergent) and couldn't smell it at all.  I had no taste of salt.  This lasted a few days.  Along with that, I almost had this feeling that I could breathe easier, which was also strange.  It still isn't fully back to normal but it's improving for sure.

Reading that article, I'm convinced that there's a very good chance that's exactly what I had.  I traveled to Atlanta at the very end of February/first of March for a weekend when there were a lot of people around.  These symptoms came about ~10 days afterward.

Anyway, just a PSA in case you have or had any of the above to just be aware.

Sorry about that. 

Seriously though - I documented in here some of the weird symptoms I had over the last week - fatigue, big time loss of appetite, burning sensation in my chest and would feel like it would move around, random pains, intestinal issues and some chest "pressure".  But I never had a fever, never had issues breathing.  I'm feeling better each day but I'm still kind of fatigued - I've gone to bed at 8pm four of the last five nights.  I'm just taking it easy and taking frequent breaks to rest - which is difficult as we are moving.

 

[Terminalxylem]

This just doesn't feel like a satisfactory answer to me.  I mean 40-80% of everyone in NY is a CRAPTON of people.  How are they getting to that number?  Cuomo has been saying it for days.  Is it just a scare tactic?  Is it something else?  And how is that even possible given that we're all, for the most part, on lockdown?

I think it's derived from the Ro number, which can be altered with containment measures. Despite China saying otherwise, I think there are plenty of asymptomatic people who may not have been tested.

 

[AAABatteries]

We are.  My mom said we are done with them.  My cousin should have known better than to go over their in the first place since she works at a nursing home.

I don't blame you and this is one side effect of all this that I was worried about.  I give @Joe Bryant a lot of credit for his early stance - let's not turn on each other, we are going to help each other.  We need to educate as many people as we can so they get it.  And we need to support each other.

 

[bcat01]

I don't blame you and this is one side effect of all this that I was worried about.  I give @Joe Bryant a lot of credit for his early stance - let's not turn on each other, we are going to help each other.  We need to educate as many people as we can so they get it.  And we need to support each other.

I can forgive her for going to visit, but for them to not tell anyone once they knew is going to take a lot longer.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I don't blame you and this is one side effect of all this that I was worried about.  I give @Joe Bryant a lot of credit for his early stance - let's not turn on each other, we are going to help each other.  We need to educate as many people as we can so they get it.  And we need to support each other.

You're kind but no credit due there. I just want us to be kind to each other through this. 

There's little room for blame or fighting each other right now. We'll all do better I think if we pull together on this. 

 

[Politician Spock]

No, after that come civil unrest and robbing and looting.   

Why would you want cash on hand during civil unrest, robbing and looting?

 

[Dan Lambskin]

The human immune system is prepared to deal with the flu.

Did you seen that Sean Payton interview, dude looked absolutely ravaged

oh wait, he looked perfectly fine.  

we need to limit exposure of this thing but people need to stop buying into the fear and treating it like it’s a death sentence for anyone who catches it 

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Here’s Rita Wilson in recovery.  Yes I know she’s a celeb and has access to first rate care but my point remains

of you’re young and healthy you’ll probably be fine.  If your old or at risk then stay home and away from other people as best you can

the numbers will continue to look scary but I think we need to consider there are countless numbers of people that may have been exposed to it and have little to no symptoms that if they were factored in would make the overall percentages look a lot less scary

 

[SWC]

Sorry about that. 

Seriously though - I documented in here some of the weird symptoms I had over the last week - fatigue, big time loss of appetite, burning sensation in my chest and would feel like it would move around, random pains, intestinal issues and some chest "pressure".  But I never had a fever, never had issues breathing.  I'm feeling better each day but I'm still kind of fatigued - I've gone to bed at 8pm four of the last five nights.  I'm just taking it easy and taking frequent breaks to rest - which is difficult as we are moving.

some of those issues sound like heart attack symptoms ive had one and you are describing what i felt in part honestly might be time to ask a doc about it take that to the bank brohan 

 

[Navin Johnson]

Did you seen that Sean Payton interview, dude looked absolutely ravaged

oh wait, he looked perfectly fine.  

we need to limit exposure of this thing but people need to stop buying into the fear and treating it like it’s a death sentence for anyone who catches it 

ok?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The town of Jupiter where I reside is a beach community with a lot of boaters and when we went for a drive on Sat we noticed a lot of boats out and about and huddled at the sandbars and I said to my wife that I don't think they will allow this to continue. It's like every day they discover new places where people have figured out they can get out of the house and gather. 

So it's no surprise that Jupiter had a big update on Sunday and has closed the boat ramps to anyone that does not have a commercial fishing license. And I would assume all of the boat docks and boat clubs are now closed, adding a few more to the unemployed line. 

 

[Redwes25]

Here’s Rita Wilson in recovery.  Yes I know she’s a celeb and has access to first rate care but my point remains

of you’re young and healthy you’ll probably be fine.  If your old or at risk then stay home and away from other people as best you can

the numbers will continue to look scary but I think we need to consider there are countless numbers of people that may have been exposed to it and have little to no symptoms that if they were factored in would make the overall percentages look a lot less scary

Happy for her but images of of Italy and now Spain (https://mobile.twitter.com/BollosaurioRex/status/1241326436620939264) show that for a significant minority this is a life and death struggle.  NYC will likely be next. 

 

[Da Guru]

Symptoms seem to vary greatly for those who have tested positive.   Tom Hanks just said he felt a little tired, the player from the Jazz said he could play in a game right now.  Others have more severe issues.  One local woman said she had a fever one day and was tested positive, then had a little cough here and there for a couple days but felt fine. 

 

[the moops]

It's gotta beat the flu before it even becomes a deal let alone a big deal.

I really wish this virus was never compared to the flu at the start of all this. It would have eliminated so many foolish arguments

 

[greedygoat]

The town of Jupiter where I reside is a beach community with a lot of boaters and when we went for a drive on Sat we noticed a lot of boats out and about and huddled at the sandbars and I said to my wife that I don't think they will allow this to continue. It's like every day they discover new places where people have figured out they can get out of the house and gather. 

So it's no surprise that Jupiter had a big update on Sunday and has closed the boat ramps to anyone that does not have a commercial fishing license. And I would assume all of the boat docks and boat clubs are now closed, adding a few more to the unemployed line. 

Not just Jupiter, all of Palm Beach County closed the boat ramps.

 

[Navin Johnson]

I really wish this virus was never compared to the flu at the start of all this. It would have eliminated so many foolish arguments

As much as I would like to think so, I highly doubt it.  The doubters will always find something else to regurgitate.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Something along the lines of 2% of cases need hospital care or are very serious...

.02x400,000=8,000 that will need serious care in NYC alone. The mortality rate of those people who get to that point is not that good right now in USA. It's close to 70% death rate for cases CLOSED, that would be 5,600 deaths in NYC alone. 

Incorrect. It's closer to 20% - that number, not the mortality rate, coupled with the duration of symptoms are the most critical reasons we need "flatten the curve." Our healthcare system can't accommodate that many patients in a short time frame.

 

[parasaurolophus]

If you’re young and healthy you’ll probably be fine.  If your old or at risk then stay home and away from other people as best you can

Old and at risk should only be leaving for medical emergency. There are just too many ways available to get anything else they need. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

Incorrect. It's closer to 20% - that number, not the mortality rate, coupled with the duration of symptoms are the most critical reasons we need "flatten the curve." Our healthcare system can't accommodate that many patients in a short time frame.

If you went to a hospital and tested positive, do they send you home if you have mild symptoms?

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Symptoms seem to vary greatly for those who have tested positive.   Tom Hanks just said he felt a little tired, the player from the Jazz said he could play in a game right now.  Others have more severe issues.  One local woman said she had a fever one day and was tested positive, then had a little cough here and there for a couple days but felt fine. 

That’s my point.  How many people have minor symptoms like that and aren’t being checked.  So you could have the number of cases be 10x what they are while the number of deaths remains the same

 

[D-Day]

My wife bought a bicycle on Amazon yesterday and got the same thing.  One month to deliver something -- wow -- Amazon must be totally inundated.  Oddly I bought something yesterday, razors or somesuch crap, I forget what, and it said it'd be here Wednesday.

Dibs... again.  

 

[DaVinci]

I'm heading to the ATM, I'm draining all the cash I can and hiding it under my mattress.

Cash isn’t going to do you any good unless you run out of toilet paper or need tinder to start a fire. Canned goods and ammunition will be the currency of the post-COVID apocalypse. That’s why I’m converting my savings into Dinty Moore beef stew. 

 

[Joe Mammy]

Exciting new Corona Virus safety product-  the 6' stick! Carry it with you wherever you go to "keep your space."

 

[brun]

Exciting new Corona Virus safety product-  the 6' stick! Carry it with you wherever you go to "keep your space."

Selfie sticks gonna make a comeback. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

Exciting new Corona Virus safety product-  the 6' stick! Carry it with you wherever you go to "keep your space."

I have been bedazzling sticks from my yard and selling them at an unmanned roadside stand. 

 

[Slapdash]

Cash isn’t going to do you any good unless you run out of toilet paper or need tinder to start a fire. Canned goods and ammunition will be the currency of the post-COVID apocalypse. That’s why I’m converting my savings into Dinty Moore beef stew. 

Need to check on my ammo shipment

 

[urbanhack]

https://twitter.com/orstateparks/status/1241844708067794944?s=21

 

[Flying Elvis]

Incorrect. It's closer to 20% - that number, not the mortality rate, coupled with the duration of symptoms are the most critical reasons we need "flatten the curve." Our healthcare system can't accommodate that many patients in a short time frame.

With some discussion of mortality rates, fear mongering vs. general education, etc., it seems like a good time to again mention that the strong measures (lockdowns / shelter-in-place / flatten the curve) are intended to prevent our the US healthcare system from being overwhelmed. Lots more people die when that happens and many could survive if we just slow it down enough for hospitals to keep up with the demand for treatment.

 

[shader]

Did you seen that Sean Payton interview, dude looked absolutely ravaged

oh wait, he looked perfectly fine.  

we need to limit exposure of this thing but people need to stop buying into the fear and treating it like it’s a death sentence for anyone who catches it 

If you've been following this thread for 2 months, you'd have already known this isn't a death sentence for anyone who catches it. 95-99% of people that catch it will not die.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Just returned from a quick trip to the store. It's going to be a madhouse today. I have an elderly friend who I call on from time to time, so I checked on her yesterday and she needed one of her medications today. Her house and pharmacy are just a mile or so down the road from me, so I volunteered to get her meds and the 3 items she needed from the store.

I got there at 8:03. Parking lot was full. I moved through that store in a tactical manner that would make a S.W.A.T. team proud. It was as if I had an invisible 6 foot bubble around me that I refused to let anyone enter. Lots of people wearing masks. Several wearing gloves. I wanted so badly to take a picture of one lady who was wearing a hoodie, with the hood drawn up around her face like this. I could see the tip of her nose and one eye and that's it.  

Estimated round trip through the store including checkouts at the pharmacy counter and the checkout line: 4:32.

Items delivered, maintaining safe distance there too. 

And I sanitized about fiftyeleven times before and after all stops. Going to go wash my hands again now after typing this. 

Stay safe, GBs

 

[Doug B]

I think it's derived from the Ro number, which can be altered with containment measures. Despite China saying otherwise, I think there are plenty of asymptomatic people who may not have been tested.

On this point specifically ... I wonder if both China and WHO kind of missed this altogether. After all ... what means did they have to distinguish between healthies and asymptomatic carriers? Sure, some asymptomatics were caught in China because they shared a household with a confirmed case, or were a close contact. But surely there are (many) others that even aggressive contract tracing didn't find?

 

[chet]

Did you discuss chloroquine AND hydroxychloroquine with your friend? 
 

To be clear, I’m not dissing your product, or any others. And I’m not in the business of pharmaceutical development. But I do have insight into the general history of antiviral therapeutics, and the challenges encountered when new drugs are introduced.

Haven't discussed hydroxychloroquine but he did tell me last night that one of his colleagues told him that two patients died of apparent Chloroquine toxicity.  Second hand but I have no reason to doubt it. 

 

[Politician Spock]

If you went to a hospital and tested positive, do they send you home if you have mild symptoms?

If you went to a hospital and complained of COVID-19 symtoms, they test you for the flu. If you test negative for the flu, you are "presumed" positive for COVID-19. This is not a "confiemed" positive and does not show up on the confirmed numbers. It also doesn't even show up on the tested numbers because you weren't tested for COVID-19. If a doctor diagnosis your situation is not life threatening, you are sent home and told to self quarantine. If you are in a life threatening situation, you will be admitted to the hospital. That might get you qualified for a COVID-19 test. Maybe. Even that still depends. But it is far more likely than if you got sent home. 

 

[chet]

Except there are reports of some people in China getting reinfected. Its not clear yet if they were truly reinfected or still just had low levels of the virus in their system after they felt better. It probably the latter, but it's still too early to tell.  

The thinking on that is that they were always infected and the middle test was a false negative.  I don't think people can be reinfected.