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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (7 Viewers)

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I've got 4 N95's from a 5-pack I bought about 3 years ago for a woodworking project.  I ended up only using one because I bought a better/more comfortable cartridge style mask.  Wore one to the grocery store earlier this week and got several dirty looks.  I'd have to assume it's because people felt I shouldn't have them.  If anyone took donations of opened packs, I'd gladly give all but one up...but nobody wants opened ones.
Dirty looks?  Really?  I don't think most people could recognize an N95 mask.  I couldn't.

 
I saw a similar stat that due to all the shutdowns, the number of deaths in the USA is down week over week. I couldn't quickly find it again, but it makes sense. 35000-40000 people die in traffic accidents. That number is probably reduced by 75% while the slowdown is going on. Homicides are likely down. Almost every preventable death is impacted by the major slowdown.

We probably start to see some of these numbers spike (suicides/overdoses) and if C19 keeps picking up the pace, 100 lives saved a day from car accidents will quickly pall in comparison.
I saw this a few days ago.  It’s so weird and unforeseen that I don’t know what to make of it!

 
Our death rate hasn't gone down necessarily, it's just that we are testing now…

Before the only way we could confirm someone had Covid is if they were on their deathbed or died.

Death rate will surge again  once we hit capacity in hospitals. :(


The death rate hasn’t plummeted man, what are you talking about 


It has?  It’s 2.3% right now.  What was it two weeks ago?


sorry I thought he meant CFR from COVID19, not all causes
Yeah, I was referring to all cases.  The post I was replying to was suggesting that counting COVID deaths wasn't going to be accurate (I agree) and that we should just subtract the normal amount of deaths from the actual deaths.  My point was that deaths in the US have plummeted this year.  I wouldn't be surprised to see life expectancy to actually go up this year despite declining 5 of the last 6 years.  Auto insurance rates will also drop next year.

 
I've got 4 N95's from a 5-pack I bought about 3 years ago for a woodworking project.  I ended up only using one because I bought a better/more comfortable cartridge style mask.  Wore one to the grocery store earlier this week and got several dirty looks.  I'd have to assume it's because people felt I shouldn't have them.  If anyone took donations of opened packs, I'd gladly give all but one up...but nobody wants opened ones.
I guess they fear someone may tamper with it to make it ineffective, a medical terrorist. 

 
I've got 4 N95's from a 5-pack I bought about 3 years ago for a woodworking project.  I ended up only using one because I bought a better/more comfortable cartridge style mask.  Wore one to the grocery store earlier this week and got several dirty looks.  I'd have to assume it's because people felt I shouldn't have them.  If anyone took donations of opened packs, I'd gladly give all but one up...but nobody wants opened ones.
Ditto.  Was pulling out moldy wood and had 4 leftover on top of the work bench.  I'm pretty sure the local hospital is taking open dusty packages.

 
I saw this a few days ago.  It’s so weird and unforeseen that I don’t know what to make of it!
Keeping high school kids and commuters off the road.  If this last through the summer, drunk driving will plummet.

 
Dirty looks?  Really?  I don't think most people could recognize an N95 mask.  I couldn't.
Yep. Dirty looks. Its insane. People are so stupid. 

Had an ad show up on my facebook for a place that sells uber premium masks 10 bucks each, activated carbon filter pad, massive overkill . The comments were ridiculous. "You should donate these!!!" "My daughter is a nurse and needs these!"

Nobody thought hmmmm...why wouldnt hospitals just buy these?

Could it be because they only have like 50 of them and they might not even be approved for hospital use???

And if you are so upset about it, why dont you order them and donate them or buy them for your daughter?

 
I guess they fear someone may tamper with it to make it ineffective, a medical terrorist. 
I guess I get it unless the alternative is to just not have one at all - then I feel like even a tampered with mask is better than none. 

A neighbor is a doc at the local hospital and he said on a neighborhood ZOOM happy hour that they get 1 mask for their 12-hour shift.  They leave it on for the whole shift.

 
Have to subscribe as I used my free looks. Yay or nay. Does he have the power to push it out.
To summarize, on his own, no. It would take Congress to vote to change the date of an election. However, no matter what, senior elected officials could not continue in their post past whatever the turnover date is in January (1/21?) that is the transition day to a new administration. According to the article, they would go down the succession list of who would take over if the president were to become incapacitated until they found someone that would not be up for re-election to serve as president until an election could be completed . . . and that person could be a democrat. Overall, the article felt the chances of having to delay the election would be slim, as there might only be a handful of states that might still be an issue and they could do mail in ballots in counties that were hot spots. 

 
What is the point of this post?

#1 The bold isnt true. It doesn't take long to find countless articles of New Hampshire hospitals having donations pour in. My personal favorite...

So they basically capitulated to taking donations even though they are currently OK because they were getting so many offers.

#2 Even if there was no #1, so what? There is no "miraculously" about it. Plenty of people have masks laying around from various projects and the misinformation is being debunked left and right. Maybe they bought KN95 masks and knew that these werent approved for hospitals here. Maybe they made their own. Maybe they are just dust masks. Maybe they tried to donate them and it was one of the hospitals that wasn't accepting opened packages. Like Concord Hospital in new hampshire. 

It is a complete joke the amount of virtue signaling going on from non-medical professionals regarding this issue and the weird entitlement from people inside the medical community. 

You have no idea how they acquired their masks or how many they have. If you could confirm they had a stockpile, sure flame away. If those masks could all magically get teleported to the hospitals you might have a point. But if people have just a few and are wearing them so effing what...
Funny, I guess all the hospitals that my wife talks to all day long as part of her job are lying to her. Did you think I just made this up? How do you think they had to get people to hand sew masks? Because they were overstocked? She has daily work calls reviewing what supplies are in the limited pooled resources available to these hospitals have available. Just because there is an article on the subject doesn’t mean that is the actual situation. I will trust people in Emergency Rooms over a reporter any day of the week. 

I will tell the multiple people we know that work at these places that have tested positive that they are “entitled.” I am sure they are exaggerating that they have no gloves, no fresh manufactured masks, or other equipment. Maybe they have gotten some donations, maybe they weren’t what they needed, maybe they burned threw them already. But to even REMOTELY suggest that the very people in the trenches are somehow not putting themselves in harm’s way and are somehow exaggerating the critical need for PPE makes my blood boil. 

 
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So I moved my daughter into her apartment over the weekend. She goes to the Whole Foods across the street and does her first big shop as nothing in her refrigerator or pantry. Buys 3 bags of frozen vegetables as she doesn’t eat meat.  I guess they had a limit of one but no sign up. (Didn’t know they were treating vegetables like toilet paper). Check out girl calls her out in a line full of people. “You know you don’t have to hoard. We will have food tomorrow”.  Really?  So you’re the judge now? You’d rather people come back every day and creating more exposure risk? 

It’ll be the same for the N95 shamers and every other holier than thou. Empathetic my ###. Dumbasses

 
It can impact me but what good does it do me to be scared?  I'll follow the rules required by law.  I will respect the people around me who are scared.  And that's all I need to do.  I'll leave it to the other people to hoard supplies in their basements, not leave the safety of their homes no matter what and be under stress at all times.
I just got back from a 3 hour hike/picnic with my wife, so I'm not living in fear. Nor hoarding supplies in a bunker. But I cringe every time time somebody downplays the threat posed by the virus comparing it to influenza, emphasizing undiagnosed cases to make the CFR seem inflated, or dismissing personal risk because they are young and healthy.

I've worked in medicine over two decades and never seen anything like it. Patients are scared. HCW are scared. Our healthcare infrastructure is on the verge of failing in multiple places. Italy is in shambles, and a few other countries will surely follow suit. And I'm ignoring the long term economic consequences.

But thank you for following the law, and please curtail interactions with others until we get a better handle on this.

PS I was entertaining the idea of backpacking and camping with my wife the next couple days. As a hiking guide, surely you know some places off the beaten path, where you and your dog can get away from other people and Covid?

 
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Funny, I guess all the hospitals that my wife talks to all day long as part of her job are lying to her. Did you think I just made this up? How do you think they had to get people to hand sew masks? Because they were overstocked? She has daily work calls reviewing what supplies are in the limited pooled resources available to these hospitals have available. Just because there is an article on the subject doesn’t mean that is the actual situation. I will trust people in Emergency Rooms over a reporter any day of the week. 

I will tell the multiple people we know that work at these places that have tested positive that they are “entitled.” I am sure they are exaggerating that they have no gloves, no fresh manufactured masks, or other equipment. Maybe they have gotten some donations, maybe they weren’t what they needed, maybe they burned threw them already. But to even REMOTELY suggest that the very people in the trenches are somehow not putting themselves in harm’s way and are somehow exaggerating the critical need for PPE makes my blood boil. 
You said 

For weeks healthcare facilities have been begging for donated masks and few people stepped up
So yes. I think you made that up since it isnt true. 

Now I think you are you are trying to turn this into me claiming that the PPE shortage in the US is fabricated, which is just dumb. You are also acting as if there is only one article on the matter when I clearly stated "It doesn't take long to find countless articles of New Hampshire hospitals having donations pour in."

Donations of PPE pour into area hospitals

Hospitals put out the call and the community is answering

Businesses step up as hospitals plead for supplies

St. Joe’s acknowledged community members and local businesses have stepped up to meet the challenges, donating thousands of items over the past two weeks.

A lowe's in new hampshire donated all of their N95 masks

LOCAL CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES DONATE N95 MASKS

I could link plenty more, but whats the point? If 7 isn't enough for you what will more do?

There is a PPE shortage. This isn't news. But a PPE shortage doesn't give you the right to look crosseyed at anybody wearing a mask and pretend as if nobody is helping or that you know their situation well enough to make any kind of comment. 

If you feel that every single person that owns even a single mask should have to go turn it in to a hospital, well there is a term for that.

 Definition of entitled

1: having a right to certain benefits or privileges

 
I gave a look when I saw a young gal jogging on a deserted street with one on. Wtf. There is no one out anywhere.  The hospital 2 blocks over could have used it.  :loco:


While running? I’d have to imagine it would be tough while wearing a mask.
Wearing a mask while doing cardio has been a thing for a while, it limits oxygen intake supposedly mimicking high altitude training. 

 
To summarize, on his own, no. It would take Congress to vote to change the date of an election. However, no matter what, senior elected officials could not continue in their post past whatever the turnover date is in January (1/21?) that is the transition day to a new administration. According to the article, they would go down the succession list of who would take over if the president were to become incapacitated until they found someone that would not be up for re-election to serve as president until an election could be completed . . . and that person could be a democrat.. 
Next in line not up for election would be Senate president pro tempore  Chuck Grassley (R - IA). After him, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

 
I just got back from a 3 hour hike/picnic with my wife, so I'm not living in fear. Nor hoarding supplies in a bunker. But I cringe every time time somebody downplays the threat posed by the virus comparing it to influenza, emphasizing undiagnosed cases to make the CFR seem inflated, or dismissing personal risk because they are young and healthy.

I've worked in medicine over two decades and never seen anything like it. Patients are scared. HCW are scared. Our healthcare infrastructure is on the verge of failing in multiple places. Italy is in shambles, and a few other countries will surely follow suit. And I'm ignoring the long term economic consequences.

But thank you for following the law, and please curtail interactions with others until we get a better handle on this.

PS I was entertaining the idea of backpacking and camping with my wife the next couple days. As a hiking guide, surely you know some places off the beaten path, where you and your dog can get away from other people and Covid?
I'm not downplaying the human toll will be large.  This is very contagious.  I am also a realist.  From what a lot of experts have said the cat is out of the bag and pretty much everyone is going to get this disease.  We are past the point of stopping it.  The point of distancing is to cut down on the peaks not to stop all from getting it.  Since I am almost certainly going to get this disease I might as well be at peace with it and realize that it's not exceptionally deadly and hope that immunity holds once we've had it.  That's just the conclusion I have come to myself and I'm not a doctor but neither are most people here so we are all speculating based on the numbers and studies we have read.

Out here camping is not essential and we are not allowed.  I am still allowed to hike and I have hiked the last couple of weeks with seeing very few people because I know the off the beaten path spots near Denver (we are technically not allowed to go too far from our communities).  I saw 5 people all of Saturday on a hike while the city was distributing pictures on social media of hiking trails that looked like conga lines.  The place I am going to Saturday because 1 it's not super populated to begin with and 2 has a road that is blocked off in winter to the main trail head will probably be just me after the first few miles.  The place Sunday is always lightly used and I will go very early in the morning to further limit people.

While I"m not afraid of the virus personally, I am afraid of losing more of my rights of going outside and am determined to not be part of the problem that closes down hiking trails.

 
Not N95. Other types of masks maybe, if you can find any. I'm trying to get more for my elderly dad who needs to go to appts every week and everywhere is out.
If your pop is only going out once a week he only needs one mask. Reuse them unless he is certainly he's been directly sprayed by a contaminated person. 

A 4 mask rotation would work for someone going out every day. 

 
People shaming folks for wearing masks in public are the same people who would get mad someone taking a break from bailing out a bucket to turn off the faucet that's filling it. 

Think about it. 

 
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Not sure what to make of Florida's numbers.

Negatives

- 1,032 new cases yesterday is a lot.

- hospitalized number has climbed over 900

- Dade and Broward still getting hit very hard

- there are still reported delays in testing of up to a week

Positives

- the daily new cases are going up incrementally not exponentially.  The last 4 days have been in the 850 to 1,000 range. Is that a function of test results maxed out last few days? i dunno

- the percent positive remains in 10.5 to 11 range. That's lower than a bunch of states so I take that to mean that people are able to get tests,  i.e. not testing only the most severe and sure thing

 
I'm not downplaying the human toll will be large.  This is very contagious.  I am also a realist.  From what a lot of experts have said the cat is out of the bag and pretty much everyone is going to get this disease.  We are past the point of stopping it.  The point of distancing is to cut down on the peaks not to stop all from getting it.  Since I am almost certainly going to get this disease I might as well be at peace with it and realize that it's not exceptionally deadly and hope that immunity holds once we've had it.  That's just the conclusion I have come to myself and I'm not a doctor but neither are most people here so we are all speculating based on the numbers and studies we have read.

Out here camping is not essential and we are not allowed.  I am still allowed to hike and I have hiked the last couple of weeks with seeing very few people because I know the off the beaten path spots near Denver (we are technically not allowed to go too far from our communities).  I saw 5 people all of Saturday on a hike while the city was distributing pictures on social media of hiking trails that looked like conga lines.  The place I am going to Saturday because 1 it's not super populated to begin with and 2 has a road that is blocked off in winter to the main trail head will probably be just me after the first few miles.  The place Sunday is always lightly used and I will go very early in the morning to further limit people.

While I"m not afraid of the virus personally, I am afraid of losing more of my rights of going outside and am determined to not be part of the problem that closes down hiking trails.
Fair enough. But I’d do everything in your power to avoid getting this, as ~20% hospitalization rate is way higher than you’d expect for young adults with other respiratory viruses. 

I have no idea if camping is designated anything in Hawaii. But I’m lucky I can walk to the mountains from my house, and there are plenty of “unsanctioned” trails nearby. Saw three other people on the trail today, or more accurately, on an intersecting trail from the deserted path we took. I’d be shocked if anyone else was camping where I plan on going, even though it is less than five miles from my home. 

 
People out here mad about folks who have a couple of masks for themselves and yet I can guarantee you that companies out there are sitting on tons of them. I know of one company with an emergency supply that doesn’t use respirators as part of their business and they have tens of thousands of N95s they are sitting on. I’m sure that there are plenty of other companies out there that are doing the same thing.

Ultimately though, my guess is that blaming anyone for hoarding masks at this point is pointless because even if all those masks were donated they’d be used up pretty quickly. The true problem is that production just can’t keep up with demand.

 
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You have some sourcing to go with that accusation of unreported US corona deaths or nah?
Not yet, but it's likely the truest accounting of the death toll once this passes is from aggregate "excess deaths" rather than the official count.  A lot of people never make it to a hospital, or are never confirmed positive cases, or have doctors who make a judgment call it wasn't the disease for whatever reason (when it was).  The best estimates may be after the fact.

 
The true problem is that production just can’t keep up with demand.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-03-25/3m-doubled-production-of-n95-face-masks-to-fight-coronavirus

3M doing their part to keep up, pretty solid job by them IMO.

I think a larger problem is/was, a good portion of the worlds supply come from China. When this took off, the Chinese government ordered all production to be kept for domestic consumption putting the rest of the world on hold leading to stockpiles being depleted, and quickly, creating a gap that I'm not sure the Chinese have tried to close.

 
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I just got back from a 3 hour hike/picnic with my wife, so I'm not living in fear. Nor hoarding supplies in a bunker. But I cringe every time time somebody downplays the threat posed by the virus comparing it to influenza, emphasizing undiagnosed cases to make the CFR seem inflated, or dismissing personal risk because they are young and healthy.

I've worked in medicine over two decades and never seen anything like it. Patients are scared. HCW are scared. Our healthcare infrastructure is on the verge of failing in multiple places. Italy is in shambles, and a few other countries will surely follow suit. And I'm ignoring the long term economic consequences.

But thank you for following the law, and please curtail interactions with others until we get a better handle on this.

PS I was entertaining the idea of backpacking and camping with my wife the next couple days. As a hiking guide, surely you know some places off the beaten path, where you and your dog can get away from other people and Covid?
Sounds like fun.  Unfortunately everywhere I'm looking at going is closed to camping.  I've seen that fishing is allowed but no mention of hunting.  

 
People shaming folks for wearing masks in public are the same people who would get mad someone taking a break from bailing out a bucket to turn off the faucet that's filling it. 

Think about it. 
My wife is immuno-compromised and I am wearing an N95 mask when I go out to the store or any place there are people (I've been out twice in the past 2 weeks other than a nearly vacant office taking deep precautions).  If people give me a dirty look....bite me.  They know nothing.

You were all over the mask need in January and are almost solely the reason I have about 10 in our house for use.  :suds:

 
i think the poeple in here saying they are giving dirty looks to people wearing masks are being awful judgmental and should calm down it is a bad look take that to the bank brohans 

 
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