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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (17 Viewers)
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Footballguy
Tennessee's lockdown is pretty loose. We're supposed to go to a bachelor party on June 8, so we've been tracking them. Restaurants still open. Only thing fully closed is bars.
Edit: you know more about what's open or closed, but we were surprised to learn that Nashville restaurants are still open.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
My experience in Hermitage (east side of Nashville for those not from around here)...things are picking up (traffic...people at stores...had a curbside pickup at Home Depot and the lot was packed with cars). Last week I had to go in and they were limiting the number of people inside...that system was not there anymore from the looks of it. But I didn't go in, but the system they had for it last week was gone. Kroger was also very busy as I picked up a grocery order. Neighbors we saw last night as they walked by our house said Mt. Juliet (different county and has opened up more than Davidson Co/Nashville) Kroger was nuts with people all over the store and maybe 50/50 mask wearing and not.And Tennessee! Don’t forget about us.
Battersbox
Footballguy
Trump's investment in Sanofi was showed to be minimal, so that criticism was misguided. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-personal-stake-in-the-malaria-drug-maker-sanofi-could-be-as-small-as-99-2020-04-07 Regardless, even if he had a huge investment in Sanofi, it's doubtful it would matter since the drug is super cheap and available from other drug makers as well.
As far as peer-reviewed studies, the only ones available were for patients already quite sick and usually on ventilators. I think it's widely accepted by most proponents that it could be efficacious early in the course of infection, or even as a preventative. Millions of people around the world take this drug, including many healthcare workers in the United States.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Welcome to the Confederacy. The Coronavirus Task Force published CDC/FEMA guidelines for the states to utilize. Then said aw forget it do whatever you want.
Also - we’re probably all gonna die
-fish-
Footballguy
of course proponents say it can be efficacious. it's just the evidence that shows it isn't.
msommer
Footballguy
-fish-
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
He's been banging that drum for weeks. You should consider saving your time lest you perhaps get accused of wanting to kill off hope
Battersbox
Footballguy
Proponents say it can be efficacious in early treatment, I meant to say.
Why is it you respond to my posts in the negative, and then for every part you're shown to perhaps have been incorrect, you simply ignore that part and move on?
I'm not a poster who presents himself as someone who knows all the answers, I just post things of interest that make me think. Pick them apart if it makes you feel better, but addressing full responses rather than bits and pieces would suggest you aren't simply trying to score points in here for some reason. You don't have to make me think you know EVERYTHING--I'll like you in any case.
-fish-
Footballguy
I disagree with the biased article about Trump's investment position, but I've been banned for making political posts so I won't argue the point. But you don't seem to care that much about actual evidence anyway.
As far as the studies of hydroxychloroquine and remdesivir, you've been consistently wrong about both, including the lobbying that went along with them.
-fish-
Footballguy
Battersbox
Footballguy
Battersbox
Footballguy
You disagree with the 'biased' article, from CNBC, got it. If you could point out which parts you disagree with, that might be productive.
I have never really said anything about hydroxychloroquine prior to today, I don't think. I have no idea if it works for early treatment, but I DO believe the controlled trial which showed it didn't work for very sick patients. So, I DO in fact care about actual evidence, very much so. On the contrary, you prefer to dismiss the actual evidence published about Remdesivir last week, and instead want to chalk it up to some conspiracy. In fact, I believe you said it's unethical that the FDA has approved it for use. That's fine, you might even be right, but I don't think so.
Finally, I'm not aware of any studies published about hydroxycholoroquine efficacy in early treatment. If you are, I'd love to see them. If you aren't, then you are simply offering an opinion.
The Commish
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
To be clear..... what you are seeing today is likely because of actions from a couple weeks ago
the moops
Footballguy
tri-man 47
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
I am also unemployed, but collecting weekly checks from the state and from the feds. And my wife is gainfully employed. And while not swimming in chet like cash, we are doing OK. Before you go selling anything you will regret PM me your venmo name. For reals.Still no unemployment. I have started to try to sell stuff.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I realize everyone wants to be right, but it’s weird to see you keep twisting what is in these links. This is all the NV authority said, from your link:
The Nevada Health Response’s statement says, “Based on the information we have seen from other states, we know there were earlier cases than the first positive reported in Nevada. We recognize this is a nationwide issue.”
Any other comments are speculation, assertions by the reporter, or quotes from citizens. Not from NV Health.
Does this mean COVID was in LV back in December? No clue. This article doesn’t change much for me. Does it sway me by maybe 1%? Sure.
Again, I’m open to new facts and keep updating my perspective as compelling facts come in. We all agree it was here in the US before mid-Feb. Then again, that was always true — it was just math. The real question is how early was it here......
-fish-
Footballguy
Don't know why people keep engaging. Every post twists facts to match his theory.
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msommer
Footballguy
I've been keeping an eye on it and I think they are for the most part. But there are definitely some that are not really trying as hard as others
JAA
Footballguy
Send me a PM. It won’t be much, but I’ll do my best.Still no unemployment. I have started to try to sell stuff.
trader jake
Footballguy
The relative inability to drastically ramp up testing across the entire US is just odd at this point. ... especially with so many people itching to get back out there. Seems like a bad combo.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I engage because people casually reading in here might draw erroneous and potentially dangerous conclusions. I’m also interested in reading links people share, for a variety of reasons (curiosity, need for education to apply at home, topic I’m helping out on at work).
msommer
Footballguy
I'd be hesitant to blame lack of resources. That said, could be that (principally) the European nation states are better at getting contracts filled than individual US states are.
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JAA
Footballguy
I don’t want to argue, but I would like you both to consider some out of the box thinking. Is it possible that the mortality rate is impacted by the environment the virus is being transmitted? Meaning, is it possible that we could see a higher mortality rate in NYC vs Maine/Arizona/Wyoming?
This could obviously be due to a number of factors. I just hesitate when I see a phrase like “can’t be”.
Thanks for listening.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
This is from the article...
"Within just two days of our story airing, the Nevada Health Response team confirmed what the people we spoke to suspected. That they got sick here in Las Vegas in December and January, and the illness was COVID-19."
Now of course the reporter could be lying. The reporter could be editorializing. Lots of other things too, but how is that the last two times Mr. A has posted fairly clear cut statements that are directly from articles multiple people have attacked his motivations?
This one is from a reputable source and the other one was from not a solid source but it wasnt hard to find great sources that had the man's exact quotes confirming exactly what Mr. A said he said.
JAA
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Yes. It almost certainly will be. It will be depending on a lot of factors, see the difference in mortality in European countries depite most going to lockdown within a week. However, currently we have no clue what those factors are, except, don't let your hospitals get overwhelmed and the longer you wait to take action, the worse it gets.
So, your theory is probably true but it's not really actionable
-fish-
Footballguy
you're mixing two things. "they got sick here in Las Vegas in December and January" refers to people the reporter spoke to that attended conventions. they are expressing their own opinion.
The Nevada Health Response team actually said, "Based on the information we have seen from other states, we know there were earlier cases than the first positive reported in Nevada. We recognize this is a nationwide issue."
There no Nevada officials who have confirmed a case in December or January.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I’m not attacking his motivations at all. I’m trying to clarify comments on this board and compare them to the actual article.
There is no quote from the NV health team validating that comment from the reporter, and when given the chance to comment further, the NV health team didn’t say anything. Seems like a reporter stretching the story. But hey, again, I’m glad to see links and have the chance to read this stuff. Which is exactly what I wrote to Mr A.
I have no secret agenda here. Just trying to understand reality.
-fish-
Footballguy
Even if there were cases in December or January, it doesn't get where he wants to go. His whole point is to try to claim its just a flu, and if we increase the infection rate and lower the mortality rate then it's been a giant overreaction. This ignores the actual number of deaths and number of hospitalizations, which has nothing to do with rates. The number of deaths is disproportional to the flu. It's disproportional to other years. The premise is wrong and continues to be wrong.
JAA
Footballguy
If my theory is probably true, the action is to stop saying “the mortality rate can’t be less than 1%”
shader
Footballguy
Correct. And even though the end of the lockdown is 5 days ago, I believe it was announced around 2 weeks ago. Anecdotal, but I feel like it started getting much busier around then too
DallasDMac
Footballguy
I'll be interested to see infected numbers in three to four weeks. SA opened up yesterday, but I think many people are still nervous about going out and will keep numbers low. As infections don't initially skyrocket, they'll become overconfident and begin to venture out in larger and larger numbers. So, I think there'll be a little lag in the big jump.
shader
Footballguy
The US is doing a pretty job testing, actually. But ramping up from here is tough. There was a NYT pod this week about testing. There are shortages all along the supply chain.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
There was nothing in his post that wasnt in the article. So any criticism should be directed at the article.
This is literally exactly what happened with the NY post story. Fish questioned his motivation and played the "what they actually said" card.
But low and behold fish was wrong and what Mr. A had said was true.
Sometimes writers make statements about comments they were given but dont print every single quote. Or they show a video clip that doesnt have every statement they wrote their article on.
I will be the first to throw the media under the bus, but I would be tweeting Darcy Spears or emailing her before i acted as if i knew for a fact she was wrong, which she might very well be. But that article's statement was quite definitive.
I dont know this reporter so I have no idea if she has a history of doing that.
Just seems to me that being free to just say "that news article is wrong" without intimate knowledge of the state,reporter, or situation isnt how discourse should go.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
I'm not picking sides here, but the reporter did some pretty sloppy work.
She stated that the Nevada Health Response team "confirmed" a specific claim (that people got COVID "in December")....but then she cites a quote which does not actually confirm that specific claim (it only says "we know there were earlier cases").
Now, perhaps the NHRT provided her with an additional quote which did confirm the December claim -- but if that's the case, then she should have included that quote in her report.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I think his whole point for that story is he claims to know two people that he swears had it in december in Vegas.
shader
Footballguy
All states are unique. We are different than other states in many ways.
First we weren’t an early hotspot. We had the virus, but we’ve never had a major outbreak or any hospital issues.
So the social distancing was done in a state that had relatively few cases.
But, our lockdown was a joke anyway. At any point in time I could go get food anywhere I wanted (takeout)...our fast food lines have never stopped.
But most people did follow orders for a few weeks. It seems as the weather got nice 2 weeks ago, people started doing things. Traffic was up, people are out, etc.
I feel like right now the virus is slowly in a growth pattern again, and as more and more people let loose, it will start to climb more rapidly.
The sad reality is that there are probably more cases now in TN than when the lockdown began. So I feel 95% sure we will have a second lockdown coming within 1-2 months.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
One of my favorite things about lockdown has been the emergence of @steak_umm as a voice for truth.
I am not joking.
Their social media person is doing an amazing job.
(IG & Twitter)
I am not joking.
Their social media person is doing an amazing job.
(IG & Twitter)
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
Thanks. Am open to being challenged and indeed appreciate it. But while I have no doubt it is possible that virus transmission is impacted by the environment AND that mortality will be impacted by many population factors (health, demographics, etc) I am not sure I understand your contention that transmissibility could impact mortality. Unless you mean virus load impacts mortality and environment impacts load...definitely possible.
In any case, I was seeking to calculate mortality in NYC and set as low a bar as possible in order to get the .5% fatality rate. Could it be lower? Sure, it could be. But if these antibody tests are anywhere close to reality then I'd be hard pressed to understand how. All of this is guesswork based on incomplete info, but given what we know today I really don't see how this viurs' mortality rate isn't at least .5% with 1% the most reasonable figure to use.
-fish-
Footballguy
So more unsupported anecdotes to support a theory that lacks actual evidence. Every post does the same thing.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Texas just topped 1,000 new cases for the third straight day. Bad timing on opening things up, and I don't think it will end well. Our behavior won't change. The only time we venture out if for groceries. We'll stay the course.
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
What planet am I living on?
https://www.ktnv.com/13-investigates/earlier-coronavirus-timeline-confirmed-in-wake-of-13-investigation
Someone please explain an alternate meaning to the bolded and especially the underlined below...
Now I may be crazy but I believe what the government authorized health authority of Nevada tasked with tracking Covid-19 cases and deaths, is saying is that people got sick here in Las Vegas in December and January, and the illness was Covid-19. Or are they saying that people got sick here in Las Vegas in December and January and the illness was Covid-19?
https://www.ktnv.com/13-investigates/earlier-coronavirus-timeline-confirmed-in-wake-of-13-investigation
Someone please explain an alternate meaning to the bolded and especially the underlined below...
Now I may be crazy but I believe what the government authorized health authority of Nevada tasked with tracking Covid-19 cases and deaths, is saying is that people got sick here in Las Vegas in December and January, and the illness was Covid-19. Or are they saying that people got sick here in Las Vegas in December and January and the illness was Covid-19?
JAA
Footballguy
Did you read my original post?
I have a theory and it’s based off of existing death rates
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