You could always just admit you are wrong without a "yea but...". I didn't "drive 30 minutes to avoid wearing a mask. I was driving that route rather I ate at the first town or the 2nd town. I simply drove the 30 minutes prior to eating instead of after eating.
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (8 Viewers)
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Houston here
Went out this past weekend to pickup supplies and here were my observations fwiw
Large chain liquor store - 80%+ customers wearing masks, all employees work masks. Had someone outside monitoring number of people entering the store. Social distancing signs and markings on floor seemed to be adhered to pretty well. All baskets were wiped down. Honestly felt pretty good in there.
Large chain home improvement store - 50% customers wearing masks. All employees work masks. No one outside counting customers. No social distancing took place inside, in fact this place was absolutely packed, I have never seen the parking lot so full. The other large chain is right next door and it was just as packed. Didn't feel nearly as well in there, kept my distance, got what I needed and gtfo there.
I wore a mask. I have no problem wearing one and would prefer if everyone else wore one as well, but so long as they aren't hacking up a storm, I'm not overly concerned.
I'd obviously prefer not to get the Covid, but I'd also not like to come down with any other sickness as well. When I got home, I washed up, wiped down everything and there it was.
This thing is going to be around for years. I don't think it's feasible to have everyone wearing a mask every time they step foot out the door, every day.
eta - obviously masks for customers was not mandatory at either store I entered. I'm not even sure if it's mandated anywhere around me shy of costco which is a company policy, not a local policy.
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Possum
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I hear ya and understand that's what you're seeing. But here in BFE Florida, I went to the grocery store yesterday and about 8 out of every 10 people in there had on a mask, so experiences are variable out there. I choose to remain optimistic that more people are trying to do the right thing than are not, and I don't think that's unreasonable.
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Navin Johnson
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So what is the State order on beaches? Santa Cruz closes from 11-5 to keep the Valleys away. Some counties way up north have zero beach restrictions, but Gvin shut Huntington down.
shader
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https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/05/05/us/ap-us-virus-outbreak-new-york.html
1,700 more coronavirus deaths added to New York.
1,700 more coronavirus deaths added to New York.
Dr_Zaius
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Changing the topic slightly, I find myself perplexed and miffed about how some of the narratives get shaped by the news. If you go by worldometers, Belgium has the highest numbers of deaths per capita of any major country. Would you ever guess that reading the online coverage? Going down the Top 10 list in order it goes Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, France, Netherlands, Sweden, Ireland, USA, Switzerland. It just seems odd that four of those places seem to be the news whipping boys and the other six get kind of ignored. Not to say that the countries getting bashed haven't done things to earn it, but like I said, perplexing. Is it agenda driven? Herd mentality? Not sure...
Agreed 100% compliance here in NY. Im guessing that's why some of are saying "we've been locked down for weeks, let's open things up a little" vs "we started opening up way too much. This will be a complete disaster". Both sides make sense giving their viewpoint.
Coach Morris Buttermaker
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Wow, this is on Cuomo for mandating Nursing Homes take back the covid-19 patients discharged from the hospital. Not sure why that decision is not getting much press.
parasaurolophus
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I don't blame anybody for having no desire to wear a mask. The medical community screwed this one up big time.
How can you expect large scale compliance when you still to this day have tons of doctors and nurses sharing different opinions on facebook, twitter, nextdoor, etc.
And I am not talking slightly different opinions based on different studies or whatever. There are still doctors saying they do nothing and using their own psychological judgments to back those statements up.
We cant simultaneously preach that we have to listen to these people but then also ask to ignore them.
Even Doctors that have changed their stance only changed it weeks ago and you can find countless articles saying they don't help. Not to mention the WHO still doesnt even say people should wear them. They still say healthy people should only wear a mask if they are taking care of somebody that is infected.
How can you expect large scale compliance when you still to this day have tons of doctors and nurses sharing different opinions on facebook, twitter, nextdoor, etc.
And I am not talking slightly different opinions based on different studies or whatever. There are still doctors saying they do nothing and using their own psychological judgments to back those statements up.
We cant simultaneously preach that we have to listen to these people but then also ask to ignore them.
Even Doctors that have changed their stance only changed it weeks ago and you can find countless articles saying they don't help. Not to mention the WHO still doesnt even say people should wear them. They still say healthy people should only wear a mask if they are taking care of somebody that is infected.
Everybody loved the guy for how he handled the crisis and once they formed their opinions they have seemed to ignore this news.
Mr Anonymous
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I admittedly skimmed much of the past few pages of doom and gloom so I may have missed this...
Covid 19 coronavirus: Antibody that blocks infection discovered
Antibody blocks infection by the SARS-CoV-2 in cells, scientists discover
Seems like the kind of thing that would be plastered all over the headlines. Also seems like something people would want to talk about here. Makes me wonder if the study out of the Netherlands is flawed or if the media is just too obsessed with it's latest chance to jump on a fear model to notice.
I'm too worn down to draw any conclusions from these reports so I'll let people do what they do.
Covid 19 coronavirus: Antibody that blocks infection discovered
Antibody blocks infection by the SARS-CoV-2 in cells, scientists discover
Seems like the kind of thing that would be plastered all over the headlines. Also seems like something people would want to talk about here. Makes me wonder if the study out of the Netherlands is flawed or if the media is just too obsessed with it's latest chance to jump on a fear model to notice.
I'm too worn down to draw any conclusions from these reports so I'll let people do what they do.
CletiusMaximus
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My state just announced it is waiving driving tests for new teen drivers to limit in-person visits to the DMV. They have to pass an online course, and parents have to certify compliance with the road competence standards. Coincidentally, I have a 15 years, 6 months old son who is about halfway through the online portion. I have to say this scares me more than the corona right now.
I don’t know that the protests will cause many direct cases but they may cause shifts in attitudes and behavior. Just a couple days ago I was commenting about how the grocery store I work at was doing great with people wearing masks - maybe 80-90% of customers wearing them. Well they had a rally this weekend (AZ) and yesterday the governor announced next week that a lot of businesses would be able to reopen on a restricted basis. There seemed to be significant drop in mask wearing, maybe 50%, and conversations seemed to shifting back to ‘normal’.
Just anecdotal observations but probably not unique to AZ either. But I think the rallies are doing more damage than just physical spread, it’s changing people’s attitudes and precautions and that’s what could prove to be damaging. Same with relaxing the lockdown. The changes that are being allowed likely won’t contribute much to an outbreak if they’re properly followed but there’s a lot of people who are going to look at their favorite restaurants being open at 25% and decide that it’s over, I don’t need this mask or social distancing.
The Commish
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Because that is still in a plate, not a person. It is a starting point, and all successful drugs start there, but drugs that work in various lab based experiments but not in people are a dime a dozen. It is a promising start, but still pretty far from the finish line.
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Doug B
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CurlyNight didn't post the link, but I believe she was riffing off of this news: Carnival Cruise Lines announced resumption of cruises scheduled for August 1st.
shader
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Exactly. Sure it's good news, but it doesn't affect our lives at this point. I think we all expect the medical industry to eventually come up with solutions to this and I'm glad they are working hard to do so. In the meantime, discussions around masks and an imminent second wave seem like more pressing matters.
Grace Under Pressure
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8,000 fatalities in 8 weeks among a population of 11.5 million would normally be headline news, but those numbers are basically a blip compared to our country just in terms of the actual number size. Factually the fatalities are 0.069% of their country's population, and their deaths are under 100 per day as they are coming down their curve. So as far as news and narratives, Belgium isn't moving the radar.
the moops
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MN has done well with flattening the curve, but depending on what store you visit, mask wearing is hit or miss
Trader Joes? They severely limit customers, all employees wearing masks, a large majority of customers wearing masks and keeping their distance.
UPS store? One check mark on the floor that is 6 feet away from cashier. No other marks to recommend how far away you should be. Two employees not wearing masks or even trying to pretend they give a ####. Only one other customer besides me wearing a mask. Most ignoring any sort of distancing.
Home Depot? Less than 50% of customers wearing masks. Less than 50% of employees.
Trader Joes? They severely limit customers, all employees wearing masks, a large majority of customers wearing masks and keeping their distance.
UPS store? One check mark on the floor that is 6 feet away from cashier. No other marks to recommend how far away you should be. Two employees not wearing masks or even trying to pretend they give a ####. Only one other customer besides me wearing a mask. Most ignoring any sort of distancing.
Home Depot? Less than 50% of customers wearing masks. Less than 50% of employees.
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The science of it didn’t change much, most masks and face coverings do little to block the virus from getting to you, but they do a lot to keep you from spreading it.
The huge mistake was not recommending face coverings right away. They knew about the asymptomatic spread but chose to focus on it not protecting you much. I think it was mainly to try and prevent the PPE shortage from getting worse but it ranks pretty high on list of mistakes made. Most people are perfectly fine with using cloth masks or bandanas and they probably would have been at the start too.
Doug B
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GroveDiesel
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Frankly, the WHO has been a bit of a disaster in all this IMO. They have been consistently too lax with their recommendations and wrong on their assessments. For all of the flaws we’ve had in addressing the issue, it sure seems like some of those poor or slow decisions were at least in part due to poor information from WHO.
I don’t think the defunding them is the right solution, but there certainly needs to be some accountability there.
chet
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Here's a link to a paper written by Bruce Patterson, MD which will be seminal in the world's understanding of COVID-19. It is presently being peer reviewed by a prestigious scientific journal but has been uploaded to a public portal.
@Joe Bryant @Terminalxylem
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20084673v1
@Joe Bryant @Terminalxylem
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20084673v1
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Blick
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Which state. My daughter turned 16 at the end of April in PA and is pretty disappointed that she can't drive.
Dr_Zaius
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I get it's 0.069%, but that's also higher than both Italy and Spain that were portrayed as apocalyptic. Seems odd to ignore a place that's statistically worse. Given the fascination of people with raw numbers, I guess it's inevitable that the smaller countries get overlooked. It just seems strange that it's so universal. BBC doesn't even seem to cover it and it's right next door.
Super King
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otb_lifer
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Super King
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Blick
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I heard multiple times, including just now from Governor Cuomo, that the IHMI death projection model was increased due to the easing of social distancing. Isn't this complete hogwash since we blew past the total prior to states opening back up? Not that I put any weight in the actual projection, but shouldn't they just say the earlier model was bogus?
Redwes25
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That model has been garbage from day 1. It always predicted deaths would drop quickly once peak was reached but anyone who paid attention to areas ahead of us on the curve (Italy and Spain and a lesser extent China since their numbers need to be taken with a healthy grain of salt) knew it wouldn't work like that.
chet
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20084673v1
Link in original post works for me. My quote in your post doesn't work. Pls edit. Thx
Exactly. I think it was almost done intentionally like "see social distancing works, we are now projecting 60k deaths" and "see relaxing distancing is not a good idea, we are now protecting 130k deaths". Where it should have been 120k-240k the whole time. It's manipulative if you ask me.
Doug B
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Too preliminary and not tested in humans. Major traditional media sources will not ignore truly game-changing, corroborated and vetted scientific news.
You can pretty much count on 999 out 1,000 "good news" science articles you read not really describing anything of ultimate consequence. If sports journalism were like science journalism, you have a lot of articles with headlines like these:
"Elliot takes handoff cleanly from Prescott, 80-yard TD run possible"
"Curry's form perfect on opening trey as Warriors take 3-0 1st quarter lead; win over Lakers virtually certain"
"Kershaw throws 8 consecutive strikes during warmups, Giants face impending loss to Dodgers ace"
beer 30
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I keep hoping that maybe some positive news will be in here, but it just doesn't materialize. Seems most people in here expect the worst. And then everyone just feeds off each other.
jamny
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Some people maybe but I find most of the discussion to be realistic and informative. Gotta know how to scroll past the tangent topics that don't add much value.
jamny
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I guess living in NYC really alters my view of how people are reacting but I really don't like how many parts of the country are beginning to treat this, as if it's over and time to get back to normal. I understand the desire to do it but we can't drop our guard yet. Thankfully, the warmer weather might help minimize the damage but it really seems to be setting up a repeat of the Spanish Flu second wave in the fall. I really hope I'm wrong.
JAA
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A not-peer reviewed, not formal, not presented, not accepted by any task force document. Its a huge difference if the administration /is saying/ that there will be 3k deaths a day. What if a memo was leaked which said 300 deaths a day. Would people also believe that one? Follow the numbers.I thought the same thing but then the internal memo leaked about expecting to rise to 3000 per day by June. I don’t know how they expect to get to those numbers but they’ve got a heck of a lot more information than me.I dont think our dailies will be reaching 2k again, let alone 3k. First we assume NYC has peaked and that BOS and other NE cities there wont have the same total counts. Then we look at the state data today for daily death counts, I dont think the remaining states can increase 5-10 fold such that we can have daily peaks that high. In addition, mathimatically speaking if you remove NY state (who is on the downturn :fingerscrossed, every other state would have to double their deaths all at the same time. While I think the total death count overtime will be bad, but I just dont think due to the timing of it all we will be seeing 3k daily death counts.
Im basing this off the fact that no other US city today is being impacted like NYC was. No LA, no Houston, no Philadelphia, not even Boston. Could this change? Absolutely, but this is my guess.
That said, I do believe we will have between 800 and 1500 per day for at least 3 months. That would put us at like 70-140k more deaths, so a total of 140-210k by August 1.
Ive read the memo's. Im not saying the numbers are wrong, im saying I disagree with them and Im providing a basis for that. Im a monday morning wanna be, didnt stay at a holiday inn express, nobody who has his own opinion which is worth nothing. That said, I am showing my work.
CletiusMaximus
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Seems like whenever some positive news is posted, it is immediately trashed. Steps in the right direction are happening. Those are the things I am focusing on.
JAA
Footballguy
I am just outside Detroit and as you see on the news, most everyone around here seems ready to loosen up a bit.
True maybe not right away but when the recommendation came out, people were quick to adapt. But we were already pretty deep into the pandemic at that point.
CurlyNight
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No I was just saying that what people are crying about here is nothing compared to some other countries. Sometimes too much freedom isn't a good thing, especially with something that could kill someone else from you being irresponsible.
JAA
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