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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (7 Viewers)

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Andy Dufresne said:
There is something wrong, however, with paddle boarding on a closed beach.
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It's against the law, but the law is an extremely blunt instrument in this case and kind of dumb.  

For example, consider the possibility of putting people on a curfew, which has happened in some countries.  I frequently run at around 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning in a small town in the upper Midwest.  Most of the time, I don't see another human being while I'm out unless I'm married to her.  This would be a curfew violation, but so what?  Nothing bad is happening from my running down the middle of an empty street in the pre-dawn hours.  (I'm not going to be persuaded by arguments along the lines of how we need to obey the law even if the law is stupid, just because it's the law.  That will be an agree-to-disagree issue).  

I hope all is well in Eden Prairie.  My son is a student at U of Minnesota and just stayed in Minneapolis to be around friends.  He said it's unbelievably boring, which is hard for me to wrap my mind around given that everything is shut down in my little town.  

Edit: Actually, my wife and I were going to be in MSP this weekend to see The Bacchae at the Guthrie on Saturday and do a 10-miler on Sunday.  I am incredibly bummed about The Bacchae being cancelled, even though it's obviously the right call.  This is one of about a half-dozen plays that I would pay basically any amount to see performed live in my lifetime, and I was thrilled when I saw that it was on this year's calendar.  

 
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CurlyNight said:
What about when it's all over and you have everything past due, due. Dude is scared and isn't able to see any light for himself. 
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Hopefully he saves up some unemployment while he's living rent free and has the money to move some where else once he's working again.  Hopefully there are some programs where he can get a free meal and maybe some people help him out if it's really bad.

 
With nothing open, I'm bored and flipping between CNN and Fox now and I don't know how people watch either. It's just non-stop hysteria from opposite ends of the spectrum. Even if you mute the talking heads, the breaking news banners continue to bash you over the head with it. 

 
We have many beaches in Texas, I am unsure if they are open. However, a better way to go about it would be to have an online lottery system and only allow people spread out, one family every hundred feet.

This would be easy on the Texas beaches since all of our beaches allow driving on them.

The city could be getting some tax money during this team, everyone would be safe, and people would get the ability to get outside and do something fun.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
It's against the law, but the law is an extremely blunt instrument in this case and kind of dumb.  

For example, consider the possibility of putting people on a curfew, which has happened in some countries.  I frequently run at around 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning in a small town in the upper Midwest.  Most of the time, I don't see another human being while I'm out unless I'm married to her.  This would be a curfew violation, but so what?  Nothing bad is happening from my running down the middle of an empty street in the pre-dawn hours.  (I'm not going to be persuaded by arguments along the lines of how we need to obey the law even if the law is stupid, just because it's the law.  That will be an agree-to-disagree issue).  

I hope all is well in Eden Prairie.  My son is a student at U of Minnesota and just stayed in Minneapolis to be around friends.  He said it's unbelievably boring, which is hard for me to wrap my mind around given that everything is shut down in my little town.  
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The two contexts are significantly different.

Minneapolis/St Paul seems to be doing well, all things considered. I don't know why Mpls felt compelled to close all the beaches for the summer at this early date.

 
For folks crying about why this and that is closed or how enforcement is taking place, it's a picnic here. You guys would absolutely die if you lived during a revolution with crazy mullahs and strict martial law. And by strict I mean I saw from my window a man get shot in the leg as he was out walking around past curfew. 

 
IvanKaramazov said:
It's against the law, but the law is an extremely blunt instrument in this case and kind of dumb.  

For example, consider the possibility of putting people on a curfew, which has happened in some countries.  I frequently run at around 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning in a small town in the upper Midwest.  Most of the time, I don't see another human being while I'm out unless I'm married to her.  This would be a curfew violation, but so what?  Nothing bad is happening from my running down the middle of an empty street in the pre-dawn hours.  (I'm not going to be persuaded by arguments along the lines of how we need to obey the law even if the law is stupid, just because it's the law.  That will be an agree-to-disagree issue).  

I hope all is well in Eden Prairie.  My son is a student at U of Minnesota and just stayed in Minneapolis to be around friends.  He said it's unbelievably boring, which is hard for me to wrap my mind around given that everything is shut down in my little town.  

Edit: Actually, my wife and I were going to be in MSP this weekend to see The Bacchae at the Guthrie on Saturday and do a 10-miler on Sunday.  I am incredibly bummed about The Bacchae being cancelled, even though it's obviously the right call.  This is one of about a half-dozen plays that I would pay basically any amount to see performed live in my lifetime, and I was thrilled when I saw that it was on this year's calendar.  
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This is the disconnect.  As of 2017, there were 18.79 million people in the greater Los Angeles area.  Going for run in small town USA, does not compare. 

 
IvanKaramazov said:
It's against the law, but the law is an extremely blunt instrument in this case and kind of dumb.  

For example, consider the possibility of putting people on a curfew, which has happened in some countries.  I frequently run at around 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning in a small town in the upper Midwest.  Most of the time, I don't see another human being while I'm out unless I'm married to her.  This would be a curfew violation, but so what?  Nothing bad is happening from my running down the middle of an empty street in the pre-dawn hours.  (I'm not going to be persuaded by arguments along the lines of how we need to obey the law even if the law is stupid, just because it's the law.  That will be an agree-to-disagree issue).  

I hope all is well in Eden Prairie.  My son is a student at U of Minnesota and just stayed in Minneapolis to be around friends.  He said it's unbelievably boring, which is hard for me to wrap my mind around given that everything is shut down in my little town.  

Edit: Actually, my wife and I were going to be in MSP this weekend to see The Bacchae at the Guthrie on Saturday and do a 10-miler on Sunday.  I am incredibly bummed about The Bacchae being cancelled, even though it's obviously the right call.  This is one of about a half-dozen plays that I would pay basically any amount to see performed live in my lifetime, and I was thrilled when I saw that it was on this year's calendar.  
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eden Prairie is boring as always and most people are doing their part over here. Just in case you were concerned.

The amount of people on the trails is quite incredible but it seems like most people are trying to do their part by spacing appropriately. I saw a woman walking her dog down the middle of the street because both sidewalks were filled with people. Which made it hard for me to drive down the middle of the street without running into her.

 
CurlyNight said:
For folks crying about why this and that is closed or how enforcement is taking place, it's a picnic here. You guys would absolutely die if you lived during a revolution with crazy mullahs and strict martial law. And by strict I mean I saw from my window a man get shot in the leg as he was out walking around past curfew. 
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Some of this is simply recreational complaining. Let us have that.

 
CurlyNight said:
For folks crying about why this and that is closed or how enforcement is taking place, it's a picnic here. You guys would absolutely die if you lived during a revolution with crazy mullahs and strict martial law. And by strict I mean I saw from my window a man get shot in the leg as he was out walking around past curfew. 
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You were in Iran in 1979?

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Back in January, me and a bunch of other people in this thread were pushing back hard on the notion that covid-19 is just the flu, or that it's less dangerous than hippo attacks.  Now I think it's time that some of us start to push back on the notion that it's dangerous to go outside for solo recreation or that you're a monster if you go to the grocery store or Home Depot.  This thread has gotten kind of weird in the other direction.  
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I went to Menard's today to pick up some grass seed.  After getting out of the car, I put on some sanitary gloves and a face mask.  Already had my credit card in a front pocket so I wouldn't have to dig it out.  Found the grass seed, went to the check-out and held up the bag so she could scan it, processed my card through the reader, took my receipt and left.  I'm generally staying at home, but it's feasible to make a store run with very little exposure to me or by me.  

 
CurlyNight said:
For folks crying about why this and that is closed or how enforcement is taking place, it's a picnic here. You guys would absolutely die if you lived during a revolution with crazy mullahs and strict martial law. And by strict I mean I saw from my window a man get shot in the leg as he was out walking around past curfew. 
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It's a picnic here for a reason.  That reason is why people are entitled to cry about things.

 
My older daughter’s college roommates, back in Oregon and Seattle, are completely ignoring social distancing. They’re hanging out with their friends, boyfriends, etc. My daughter scolds them on Zoom and they just laugh: “nobody takes this seriously.” 

 
timschochet said:
My older daughter’s college roommates, back in Oregon and Seattle, are completely ignoring social distancing. They’re hanging out with their friends, boyfriends, etc. My daughter scolds them on Zoom and they just laugh: “nobody takes this seriously.” 
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Right now these stupid kids are just "off from school" (I get that they're taking classes online, but its not the same thing) . Lets see how they feel 2 months from now when their summer vacation is ruined.

Or ya know....when their grandparents are in the hospital on a ventilator.

 
TLEF316 said:
Right now these stupid kids are just "off from school" (I get that they're taking classes online, but its not the same thing) . Lets see how they feel 2 months from now when their summer vacation is ruined.

Or ya know....when their grandparents are in the hospital on a ventilator.
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This is the unfortunate truth. Within a month, pretty much everyone in this country will have a direct connection to this virus. Maybe that’s what it’s going to take to bring us all together. 

 
Man In The Box said:
This is the unfortunate truth. Within a month, pretty much everyone in this country will have a direct connection to this virus. Maybe that’s what it’s going to take to bring us all together. 
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Exactly, some people are just so self-absorbed (or in some cases....just flat out stupid) to realize that this isn't going away.

I'm certainly not on the ledge or anything, but you have to be a fool to realize that at this point A) we're going to lose a LOT of people and B) Life isn't going to return to normal for a LONG time.

I live in NJ and work in NY, so I'm mostly in the thick of it. My stepsister (nurse at a large Manhattan hospital) has it but is nearly fully recovered. My grandmother is 95 and in an assisted living facility where 2 employees tested positive. (although at this point, it seems like we MAY have a dodged a bullet here, as they kept them out of the building). If she catches it, the odds of her surviving are low. And if that happens, my mom is going to be a freaking wreck and I will be forced to deal with everything.

At this point, my anger towards those who AREN'T taking this seriously is like nothing I've ever felt. They're selfish pieces of ####, plain and simple.

 
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It's very weird working in the trades, which are considered essential here in Florida, then heading straight home. The best way to describe it for me is that everyone's on vacation, but there's nothing to do.

 
TwinTurbo said:
With nothing open, I'm bored and flipping between CNN and Fox now and I don't know how people watch either. It's just non-stop hysteria from opposite ends of the spectrum. Even if you mute the talking heads, the breaking news banners continue to bash you over the head with it. 
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It is so crazy how there is not a network we can tune into and get NEWS. There are thousands of US citizens dead, but CNN's big font headline now is about the whistleblower.  I mean who cares right now? Since I am working from home,  I switch around the news networks and Fox runs a lot of upbeat, feel good stories, but you can get the gist that they want to downplay this whole thing. Go over to CNN and it is like let's scream and scream and scream and but every second story better be a Trump bash--really?? There is plenty of time for that--lets come together. We have plenty of time to be ugly later.

Sorry if I put this in the wrong forum--I can edit if some object.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Not a lot of details here to go on, but can you explain why a lone individual going out kayaking (or whatever it is that you're describing) is an idiot?  That's not the sort of thing that endangers himself or others.

Edit: It occurs to me now that maybe you're saying that the arresting officer is the idiot in this story.  My apologies if I misunderstood you.  
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We are rural.  We've been our kayaking and biking every day the weather allows.

 
Courtjester said:
It is so crazy how there is not a network we can tune into and get NEWS. There are thousands of US citizens dead, but CNN's big font headline now is about the whistleblower.  I mean who cares right now? Since I am working from home,  I switch around the news networks and Fox runs a lot of upbeat, feel good stories, but you can get the gist that they want to downplay this whole thing. Go over to CNN and it is like let's scream and scream and scream and but every second story better be a Trump bash--really?? There is plenty of time for that--lets come together. We have plenty of time to be ugly later.

Sorry if I put this in the wrong forum--I can edit if some object.
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You are exactly right. I'll leave the politics out of it and just say it's mostly unwatchable. Although I have enjoyed the Cuomo brother vs. brother schtick. 

 
TLEF316 said:
Right now these stupid kids are just "off from school" (I get that they're taking classes online, but its not the same thing) . Lets see how they feel 2 months from now when their summer vacation is ruined.

Or ya know....when their grandparents are in the hospital on a ventilator.
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It's like Ricky Bobby's kids all grown up. 

 
TwinTurbo said:
You are exactly right. I'll leave the politics out of it and just say it's mostly unwatchable. Although I have enjoyed the Cuomo brother vs. brother schtick. 
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Exactly!!! I dislike Cuomo (the journalist) but seeing the humanity and interaction between them is tear-jerking.  You couldn't be human and not get a little dusty with that Erin Burnett segment quoted earlier. Keep this up--people are hurting and now that we are isolated (literally) let's come together. Give us facts and numbers. 

 
Courtjester said:
It is so crazy how there is not a network we can tune into and get NEWS. There are thousands of US citizens dead, but CNN's big font headline now is about the whistleblower.  I mean who cares right now? Since I am working from home,  I switch around the news networks and Fox runs a lot of upbeat, feel good stories, but you can get the gist that they want to downplay this whole thing. Go over to CNN and it is like let's scream and scream and scream and but every second story better be a Trump bash--really?? There is plenty of time for that--lets come together. We have plenty of time to be ugly later.

Sorry if I put this in the wrong forum--I can edit if some object.
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NPR app

 
I actually feel fortunate to live in the Northeast, we quarantined early and we'll flaten the curve before most of the rest of the country that hasn't yet or just did. It;s coming for everyone, I'd rather get past it in May/June than July/August

 
Penguin said:
I actually feel fortunate to live in the Northeast, we quarantined early and we'll flaten the curve before most of the rest of the country that hasn't yet or just did. It;s coming for everyone, I'd rather get past it in May/June than July/August
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I'm not sure you can state this will be the case with a lot of confidence. Who says your exposure will disappear to a level low enough that you can resume life as normal?

IMO, we all stand a very high chance of infection (>50%?), and if that's the case, I want to prepare to get it when I know my healthcare infrastructure can provide the best service possible. I don't want it when the hospitals are overwhelmed.

 
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Penguin said:
I actually feel fortunate to live in the Northeast, we quarantined early and we'll flaten the curve before most of the rest of the country that hasn't yet or just did. It;s coming for everyone, I'd rather get past it in May/June than July/August
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Unfortunately, the rest of us are going to ruin it for you and you'll still be in it as long as we are.

Sorry we suck.

 
BassNBrew said:
LOL...CDC recommends "face cover" as new facts shows the virus can be spread by speaking.
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A prestigious scientific panel told the White House Wednesday night that research shows coronavirus can be spread not just by sneezes or coughs, but also just by talking, or possibly even just breathing.
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Breathing??? 

Regardless of how any of this turns out, this just shows how irresponsible any doctor giving any sort of definitive advice about masks was. If it is still in question now, they should have never made any claims. 

 
parasaurolophus said:
Breathing??? 

Regardless of how any of this turns out, this just shows how irresponsible any doctor giving any sort of definitive advice about masks was. If it is still in question now, they should have never made any claims. 
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I think the whole breathing thing is (hopefully) off too, but I am really having a hard time understanding that if just people would have washed their hands, 1000+ people wouldn't have caught it and died in the US today.  Believe me, I really want to understand this is a surface that people touched virus thing, but I am scared. How are this many people getting infected unless it is somehow in the air more than we believe? I get New York and the confines of subways and such, but it is exploding in my state of Colorado and we are way spread out with a very aggressive approach to this virus

 
Sandeman said:
I'm not sure you can state this will be the case with a lot of confidence. Who says your exposure will disappear to a level low enough that you can resume life as normal?

IMO, we all stand a very high chance of infection (>50%?), and if that's the case, I want to prepare to get it when I know my healthcare infrastructure can provide the best service possible. I don't want it when the hospitals are overwhelmed.
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Well personally, I have always worked from home and have 5-6 months of everything, so I don't need to leave the house. i live on the beach so I have that for serenity. I was talking in general though, I think we will see the curve flatten in the NE before other parts of the counrtry. Sure new cases will keep popping up everywhere but I really believe the social distancing will have a huge impact on how long we feel the pain.

The real important metric is the flattening of new hospitalizations and new ventilator cases, not new positive cases or deaths. As long as the hospitals don't get overrun we will be alright, so those are the numbers I am looking at.

 
One of the most disappointing things is that the states that had the best chance of avoiding massive problems are also the ones that have waited too long to lock down the states. The states without the large urban populations and are quite spread out could end up getting crushed.

The numbers might not be high but the impact may be much higher. Smaller cities have huge chunks of their populations hit with this and those smaller hospitals may not have the resources or expertise to handle an outbreak. It will be much easier for these hospitals to be overran and their mayors aren’t going to get time on the news to get what they need.

 
Penguin said:
Good article, first map shows travel last week and the other national map shows when each area fellow below 2 miles a day per capita

Where America Didn’t Stay Home Even as the Virus Spread
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No it's not a good article.  It's just a map of where the virus first showed up and who put in restrictions first.  If you look at the counties in the south and midwest that put in restrictions before the arbitrary date of the 28th they are white and grey also.  Furthermore, how does mobility reduce 100%?  You still have first responders, doctors, and nurses traveling to and from work and people getting groceries.

 
Courtjester said:
I think the whole breathing thing is (hopefully) off too, but I am really having a hard time understanding that if just people would have washed their hands, 1000+ people wouldn't have caught it and died in the US today.  Believe me, I really want to understand this is a surface that people touched virus thing, but I am scared. How are this many people getting infected unless it is somehow in the air more than we believe? I get New York and the confines of subways and such, but it is exploding in my state of Colorado and we are way spread out with a very aggressive approach to this virus
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It’s the silent spreading. It’s pretty easy to distance yourself when you’re showing symptoms but when you’re not showing symptoms and can still spread it, that’s how we get this.

 
Courtjester said:
I think the whole breathing thing is (hopefully) off too, but I am really having a hard time understanding that if just people would have washed their hands, 1000+ people wouldn't have caught it and died in the US today.  Believe me, I really want to understand this is a surface that people touched virus thing, but I am scared. How are this many people getting infected unless it is somehow in the air more than we believe? I get New York and the confines of subways and such, but it is exploding in my state of Colorado and we are way spread out with a very aggressive approach to this virus
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There are so many oddities about this thing for sure. 

The concept of an asymptomatic superspreader is insane to me, yet this looks like exactly what happened at the biogen conference or the party in connecticut.  

 
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