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[Alex P Keaton]

Because that isn't a vaccine.

Others have debunked your nonsense on this before

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Because that's a ridiculous request imo.  And I got a booster

Why is it ridiculous?   Would annual be ridiculous?  Is an annual flu shot ridiculous?  What criteria make it ridiculous?

 

[fatness]

I'm certainly not looking forward to changing my car's oil every 5000 miles.

 

[nysfl2]

I'm certainly not looking forward to changing my car's oil every 5000 miles.

That's ridiculous. I'll change it once, maybe twice, and then I'll just take my chances.

 

[belljr]

I'm certainly not looking forward to changing my car's oil every 5000 miles.

Not even remotely the same

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Meh.

 

[belljr]

Why is it ridiculous?   Would annual be ridiculous?  Is an annual flu shot ridiculous?  What criteria make it ridiculous?

If you want to get a flu shot once a year knock yourself out.   Im certainly not going too. I'm not worried about the flu. I got one the last couple years for the first time because all I have to do is walk downstairs at work and get one. 

Getting a shot every six months is ridiculous.

We get covid vaccine down to once a year I might be on board.

So we got a "vaccine" - 3 weeks apart . Ok some work that way, I get that. Now we need another 6 months out because the original lost its protection. Now I need another one 6 months after that? And another 6 months after that? Nope 

I'm not antivax, I'm not anti science but I'm not going to be comfortable pumping my body with this stuff every 6 months, but I also don't take pain meds, cold meds, etc unless absolutely needed.  I try to avoid all medication as much as I can 

 

[IC FBGCav]

Others have debunked your nonsense on this before

True or false Merriam-Webster just changed the definition of a vaccine so these could be classified as such?

 

[IC FBGCav]

If you want to get a flu shot once a year knock yourself out.   Im certainly not going too. I'm not worried about the flu. I got one the last couple years for the first time because all I have to do is walk downstairs at work and get one. 

Getting a shot every six months is ridiculous.

We get covid vaccine down to once a year I might be on board.

So we got a "vaccine" - 3 weeks apart . Ok some work that way, I get that. Now we need another 6 months out because the original lost its protection. Now I need another one 6 months after that? And another 6 months after that? Nope

We need a true sterilizing vaccine.  We don't have it yet plus you don't make as much money selling it.  It is where we are.

 

[fatness]

I'm certainly not looking forward to changing my car's oil every 5000 miles.

Not even remotely the same

Oil change takes longer and is less convenient.

 

[belljr]

Oil change takes longer and is less convenient.

Do you get blood transfusion every year then.....

 

[Dragons]

If you want to get a flu shot once a year knock yourself out.   Im certainly not going too. I'm not worried about the flu. I got one the last couple years for the first time because all I have to do is walk downstairs at work and get one. 

Getting a shot every six months is ridiculous.

We get covid vaccine down to once a year I might be on board.

So we got a "vaccine" - 3 weeks apart . Ok some work that way, I get that. Now we need another 6 months out because the original lost its protection. Now I need another one 6 months after that? And another 6 months after that? Nope

3 weeks apart, 4 weeks apart, this decision was made in the middle of a pandemic. It gave robust protection, but there was no time to study long term effects. In endemic times, it may be better to give the first 2 doses 6 months apart, another a year later and boom, you're good for 10 years.

However, there is absolutely nothing that says we need another booster 6 months from now, at this point. Do you know why? Because we're building the ####### parachute as we fall have fallen off the cliff. There are no studies to say we do, or we don't. It's fun to speculate the periodic increment that we may be willing to take a vaccine, but until there is scientific evidence to say a future dosing pattern will be needed, it's just a bunch of ####### karen's complaining.

 

[Dragons]

We need a true sterilizing vaccine.  We don't have it yet plus you don't make as much money selling it.  It is where we are.

I would be happy to see the results of your efforts in producing this.

 

[belljr]

Oh is this where #### on people that aren't 100% on board?   

Cool cool

 

[fatness]

Oil change takes longer and is less convenient.

Do you get blood transfusion every year then.....

No, I don't need them for my health. If I needed dialysis regularly I'd get it.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Because that isn't a vaccine.

What?  There are different kinds of viruses. We are lucky this one doesn’t mutate like “the cold” and is closer to the flu, or there wouldn’t be any vaccine that works at all. 
 

The flu shot is an annual vaccine that is required due to the mutations of the virus. 
 

Plenty of other vaccines require numerous doses within the first year for initial immune response and then require boosters — this one will be more like a reformulation depending on mutation and effectiveness. 

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Oh is this where #### on people that aren't 100% on board?   

Cool cool

No, this is where we question people with emotion-driven, irrational beliefs that conflict with facts and science.

 

[belljr]

What?  There are different kinds of viruses. We are lucky this one doesn’t mutate like “the cold” and is closer to the flu, or there wouldn’t be any vaccine that works at all. 
 

The flu shot is an annual vaccine that is required due to the mutations of the virus. 
 

Plenty of other vaccines require numerous doses within the first year for initial immune response and then require boosters — this one will be more like a reformulation depending on mutation and effectiveness. 

I don't agree with Cav even a little but I would say flu vaccine is really not "required"

 

[Dragons]

Oh is this where #### on people that aren't 100% on board?   

Bunch of tough guys

I will say that I have had a tough day and I'm drunk. I have had 4 family/inlaws recommend ivermectin in the last 24 hours. I am salty and if I crossed a line, I apologize.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

We need a true sterilizing vaccine.  We don't have it yet plus you don't make as much money selling it.  It is where we are.

There will never be a sterilizing vaccine for a coronavirus that crossed the globe. Ever. 

 

[belljr]

No, this is where we question people with emotion-driven, irrational beliefs.

I'll just see myself out then. Since you guys are being ####### to someone who ####### held up in his house for almost 6 ####### months to not get covid. Has all their shots and still won't eat out.

But hey you guys do you with your petty snark.

Hope you all have a good day and your snarky bull#### keeps this thread alive!!;

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I don't agree with Cav even a little but I would say flu vaccine is really not "required"

Well only because we have built up immunity since 1918. 
 

Eta:  When I said required, I really just was meaning that the annual vaccine is necessary because of mutations rendering the prior year ineffective largely. Not that the shots themselves should be required for all. Though there is evidence that if more people got that shot, lives and productivity would be saved. 

 

[the moops]

True or false Merriam-Webster just changed the definition of a vaccine so these could be classified as such?

This is misleading. Merriam-Webster has revised its entry for the word “vaccine” as part of its continual revision of entries, but it did not remove references to immunity. Rather, it changed the phrase “increase immunity” to say, “stimulate the body’s immune response.” The current entry better captures how mRNA-based vaccines work compared with traditional vaccines.

 

[the moops]

I'll just see myself out then. Since you guys are being ####### to someone who ####### held up in his house for almost 6 ####### months to not get covid. Has all their shots and still won't eat out.

But hey you guys do you with your petty snark.

Hope you all have a good day and your snarky bull#### keeps this thread alive!!;

:hug:

 

[IC FBGCav]

I would be happy to see the results of your efforts in producing this.

I can't, but it would be the goal.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I'll just see myself out then. Since you guys are being ####### to someone who ####### held up in his house for almost 6 ####### months to not get covid. Has all their shots and still won't eat out.

But hey you guys do you with your petty snark.

Hope you all have a good day and your snarky bull#### keeps this thread alive!!;

I’m sorry you find it offensive when people ask questions.   Interesting reaction.

 

[IC FBGCav]

What?  There are different kinds of viruses. We are lucky this one doesn’t mutate like “the cold” and is closer to the flu, or there wouldn’t be any vaccine that works at all. 
 

The flu shot is an annual vaccine that is required due to the mutations of the virus. 
 

Plenty of other vaccines require numerous doses within the first year for initial immune response and then require boosters — this one will be more like a reformulation depending on mutation and effectiveness. 

Does any of those have a natural immunity component to it?  No.  Everyone is going to get covid.  The vaxx doesn't stop that.  Then you realize this crap will only stop after Everyone had it.  The shots keep you alive, do it if you don't have NI.

 

[IC FBGCav]

There will never be a sterilizing vaccine for a coronavirus that crossed the globe. Ever. 

I think it is the British that are on track with this.  They studied health care workers that never got sick and looking how their immune system responded.  They know why.  Its just replication of their immune response at this point.

 

[belljr]

I’m sorry you find it offensive when people ask questions.   Interesting reaction.

I said I'm not comfortable with requiring shots every 6 months and think it's ridiculous to ask everyone to do it 

You then called me irrational.

I promised myself I wouldn't post .....damn it.....

 

[IC FBGCav]

This is misleading. Merriam-Webster has revised its entry for the word “vaccine” as part of its continual revision of entries, but it did not remove references to immunity. Rather, it changed the phrase “increase immunity” to say, “stimulate the body’s immune response.” The current entry better captures how mRNA-based vaccines work compared with traditional vaccines.

So did they change or not.  I live in a world that getting multiple shots are better than surviving the virus.  Which i think is total nonsense IMO and science.

 

[IC FBGCav]

USA is the only country that doesn't recognize natural immunity.  Is that because we are ahead of the curve or about dollars?

 

[the moops]

I said I'm not comfortable with requiring shots every 6 months and think it's ridiculous to ask everyone to do it 

You then called me irrational.

I promised myself I wouldn't post .....damn it.....

I understand not wanting to do it, but I don't think calling it ridiculous is all that accurate. Flu shots are recommended yearly, so I don't find a bi-annual booster to be that outrageous.

 

[fatness]

September 20, 2021

Some people who get COVID-19 receive no protection from reinfection – their natural immunity is nonexistent. A recent study found that 36% of COVID-19 cases didn't result in development of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies.

Natural immunity can decay within about 90 days. Immunity from COVID-19 vaccines has been shown to last longer. Both Pfizer and Moderna reported strong vaccine protection for at least six months. Studies are ongoing to evaluate the full duration of protective immunity, including the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. Real-world studies also indicate natural immunity's short life. For example, 65% of people with a lower baseline antibody from infection to begin with completely lost their COVID-19 antibodies by 60 days.

There may be later, better information than this. [See better information below]

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I said I'm not comfortable with requiring shots every 6 months and think it's ridiculous to ask everyone to do it 

You then called me irrational.

I promised myself I wouldn't post .....damn it.....

Yep.  You said you weren’t comfortable.  I then asked you a series of questions.  Fair questions.  Honest questions.

And then you used the word ridiculous repeatedly, rather than just answering some sincere questions.

I never called you irrational.  You could say that I implied your beliefs were irrational — but if that’s the case, then you could say that before that happened, you implied that I’m ridiculous.

So go back and read it from the beginning, and ask yourself “who amped up this conversation first?”

 

[IC FBGCav]

This is why we need truth.  

 

[fatness]

Expand  

There may be later, better information than this.

Better information from October 31. COVID Vax 5 Times More Protective Than Natural Immunity

 

[IC FBGCav]

Better information from October 31. COVID Vax 5 Times More Protective Than Natural Immunity

So this is better than the largest study. 

 

[Alex P Keaton]

It’s like you didn’t even read my post.

Let me guess:  you’re the guy who walks up to a stranger in a bar, calls his GF ugly, then is flabbergasted when the guy throws a punch at you and “starts a fight.”

 

[belljr]

Because that's a ridiculous request imo.  And I got a booster

Why is it ridiculous?   Would annual be ridiculous?  Is an annual flu shot ridiculous?  What criteria make it ridiculous?

If you want to get a flu shot once a year knock yourself out.   Im certainly not going too. I'm not worried about the flu. I got one the last couple years for the first time because all I have to do is walk downstairs at work and get one. 

Getting a shot every six months is ridiculous.

We get covid vaccine down to once a year I might be on board.

So we got a "vaccine" - 3 weeks apart . Ok some work that way, I get that. Now we need another 6 months out because the original lost its protection. Now I need another one 6 months after that? And another 6 months after that? Nope 

I'm not antivax, I'm not anti science but I'm not going to be comfortable pumping my body with this stuff every 6 months, but I also don't take pain meds, cold meds, etc unless absolutely needed.  I try to avoid all medication as much as I can 

Oh is this where #### on people that aren't 100% on board?   

Cool cool

No, this is where we question people with emotion-driven, irrational beliefs that conflict with facts and science.

Yeah I sure amped it up there

 

[higgins]

“Oh yeah? Well you’re a poopy pants! “

 

[IC FBGCav]

Better information from October 31. COVID Vax 5 Times More Protective Than Natural Immunity

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfection.html

 

[IC FBGCav]

Cases of reinfection with COVID-19 have been reported, but remain rare.

Hence cdc link 

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Quick question for you guys, that I'm having trouble finding the answer for. I had a proven case of Covid19  

I had my immunity tested and my IGg came back at 11.44   I know that >1 shows immunity, but how high does the scale go?  

If the numbers are over 2500 the test just says “>2500” but i don’t know how high the number actually gets.  As stated though no one knows the impact of these numbers and they only really go by positive or negative.  

 

[the moops]

Twin cities, indoor public spaces. I would put maske usage, even without any requirements, at close to 75% these days.

I always have a mask around my neck, for when I am the public spaces at my work, I have to wear it (only about 10% of my day tops). So in general, I lean towards not wanting to wear the thing, but there is a peer pressure thing for sure when I roam through the skyways. I see old frail people faithfully wearing their masks, as well as high school aged youngens, and it makes me think twice about not wearing my mask. So I tend to wear it

 

[belljr]

Twin cities, indoor public spaces. I would put maske usage, even without any requirements, at close to 75% these days.

I always have a mask around my neck, for when I am the public spaces at my work, I have to wear it (only about 10% of my day tops). So in general, I lean towards not wanting to wear the thing, but there is a peer pressure thing for sure when I roam through the skyways. I see old frail people faithfully wearing their masks, as well as high school aged youngens, and it makes me think twice about not wearing my mask. So I tend to wear it

I gotta be honest, I forget my mask more times than not. I mean they are quick trips into a convenience store or a Lowes.

 

[IC FBGCav]

I gotta be honest, I forget my mask more times than not. I mean they are quick trips into a convenience store or a Lowes.

I had covid, I have been around 20 plus people that had covid.  Nothing.

 

[FBG26]

Twin cities, indoor public spaces. I would put maske usage, even without any requirements, at close to 75% these days.

I always have a mask around my neck, for when I am the public spaces at my work, I have to wear it (only about 10% of my day tops). So in general, I lean towards not wanting to wear the thing, but there is a peer pressure thing for sure when I roam through the skyways. I see old frail people faithfully wearing their masks, as well as high school aged youngens, and it makes me think twice about not wearing my mask. So I tend to wear it

I have rarely wore a mask since April or whenever the mandates were dropped last spring. But you're right, mask usage has been creeping up and send like it's now the majority in the metro. 

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Quick question for you guys, that I'm having trouble finding the answer for. I had a proven case of Covid19  

I had my immunity tested and my IGg came back at 11.44   I know that >1 shows immunity, but how high does the scale go?  

If the numbers are over 2500 the test just says “>2500” but i don’t know how high the number actually gets.  As stated though no one knows the impact of these numbers and they only really go by positive or negative.  

 

[Terminalxylem]

Is the Covid: Not the mainstream narrative locked? Seems like a better venue from some of the commentary the last few pages.

 

[fatness]

We need a true sterilizing vaccine. 

Are you still concerned with people "shedding" the vaccine?