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Texasmouth
Footballguy
Ridiculous.
Garrett and his mismanagement and horrible playcalling. No balls. No spine. A real coach would have that bum Dez Bryant on the bench.
The hot seat has to be warm but WHO in their right mind would come to Dallas to work for the worst GM in football? No good coach.
Garrett and his mismanagement and horrible playcalling. No balls. No spine. A real coach would have that bum Dez Bryant on the bench.
The hot seat has to be warm but WHO in their right mind would come to Dallas to work for the worst GM in football? No good coach.
Is there ANY chance a 3-13 finish would let Jerry give full control to a new GM/Coach? Doubt it but wow this team looks BAD. Is a QB becoming a possibility to draft? This team needs OL and defensive depth but a QB of the future wouldn't be a bad thing. This season is so over.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I don't understand why on 2 and one with a minute plus and 3 timeouts the Cowboys aren't running the ball to get the first. I can understand on 2nd I guess to pass. But on 3rd and 1 to pass to the endzone in shotgun and then on 4th and 1 in shotgun a hail marry type effort that is inexcusable. The clock was no issue whatsoever, if anything they needed to drain clock for Eli to have less.
To be in shotgun and to just forget about the first down is ridiculous. Fire the coach, I'm done. My philosophy and style of play is so far removed from this team I can't root for them. I do not like the style of offense the Cowboys have, I am a loyalist but ultimately I am a Cowboy fan and Garrett is bad for the team I love. If Jones doesn't see that sell the team and enjoy the rest of your years and money in something else.
To be in shotgun and to just forget about the first down is ridiculous. Fire the coach, I'm done. My philosophy and style of play is so far removed from this team I can't root for them. I do not like the style of offense the Cowboys have, I am a loyalist but ultimately I am a Cowboy fan and Garrett is bad for the team I love. If Jones doesn't see that sell the team and enjoy the rest of your years and money in something else.
DevilDog919
Footballguy
Same old story. Mistakes to start the game, hand them a 23-0 start. Defense played a terrific game, offense finally comes to life and gives fan a glimpse of hope despite a terrible start and most of us already giving up on the game. Even take the lead. But wait, its the 4th quarter. Time for that Dallas Cowboy meltdown. Let the Giants walk downfield after stopping them all game and go up with a field goal.
Offense is driving though, things are still looking good. Oh look, Felix fumbled. Now we need a TD to win. Driving down again, 4th and 1. There goes Romo scrambling for his life.
But wait, defense makes another 3 and out. We still have time to score! Dez caught it in the endzone with 6 to go!!!!! The play is being reviewed. Half of his fingers were on the line, are you kidding me.
Jason Witten broke a single game receptions record. Yay.
This is Dallas Cowboys football, every single week. I'm sick of watching it, yet I come back week after week.
Offense is driving though, things are still looking good. Oh look, Felix fumbled. Now we need a TD to win. Driving down again, 4th and 1. There goes Romo scrambling for his life.
But wait, defense makes another 3 and out. We still have time to score! Dez caught it in the endzone with 6 to go!!!!! The play is being reviewed. Half of his fingers were on the line, are you kidding me.
Jason Witten broke a single game receptions record. Yay.
This is Dallas Cowboys football, every single week. I'm sick of watching it, yet I come back week after week.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
If there has been a more painful loss than that one....I dont remember it.
This was a season changing game. They win this game, especially after the Eagles and Redskins lost, and they are 2-0 in the division and one game behind the Giants with something to hang their hats on.
I know the media is going to blame Romo but there is zero chance many QB could come back and still put the team in position to win. That last TD to Dez Bryant was PERFECT. I wish it had been to Austin, he would make that play and land on his head if he had to just to stay in bounds. Dez is a diva and will never live up to the talent.
Garrett seems to put this team in horrible positions a lot with the play calling. It seems like Romo changes the play a lot and goes to an audible a lot.
This was a season changing game. They win this game, especially after the Eagles and Redskins lost, and they are 2-0 in the division and one game behind the Giants with something to hang their hats on.
I know the media is going to blame Romo but there is zero chance many QB could come back and still put the team in position to win. That last TD to Dez Bryant was PERFECT. I wish it had been to Austin, he would make that play and land on his head if he had to just to stay in bounds. Dez is a diva and will never live up to the talent.
Garrett seems to put this team in horrible positions a lot with the play calling. It seems like Romo changes the play a lot and goes to an audible a lot.
fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
*sigh* 
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Bring it on. I would support this.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
I supported the firing of Wade. The Team had given up on him. Quit trying. I cannot say the same thing now. THey may suck, but they are not giving up. THey do keep fighting.
I know this may not be popular, but I don't fire Garrett. Not saying he doesnt need to improve. He does. Needs an O-coordinator so he can focus on game management. But I don't think he should be fired. Not while the team is still fighting.
Besides, who are you going to get that will make anything better?
I know this may not be popular, but I don't fire Garrett. Not saying he doesnt need to improve. He does. Needs an O-coordinator so he can focus on game management. But I don't think he should be fired. Not while the team is still fighting.
Besides, who are you going to get that will make anything better?
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
This offense commits too many needless penalties and mistakes, but besides that I just don't believe in his scheme. I've/we've seen it for years, it's faulty. Shotgun on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th down and 1 from the Giant 20 with a minute and 20 with 3 timeouts? Why would you even want to go for the kill on that play? The Giants had 2 or 3 timeouts at that time, has he not seen Eli and the Giants before? You run the ball, you pick up the first and don't panic. The clock was in the Cowboys favor, they had every chance to score a Td and leave little time on the clock for Eli. Just going for the TD on 3rd and 1 out of shotgun shows me he just doesn't get it. This isn't the first time, we've seen this style of offense for years.I agree, the team hasn't quit but things will get uglier in Dallas as the year progresses as they see the season slip away. The owner mentioned the SB window is closing before the season so those were the expectations within the organization prior to the season. This is a huge step backwards and if Jerry didn't believe it before the season, he should tonight that the Dallas Cowboys are officially in rebuilding mode, there is no SB window. Do you suggest to stick with Garrett and rebuild with him? Not me. To answer your question, I don't know who to get. That doesn't mean it's right to stick with someone you know isn't right for our team. Think back to all of these year's with Garrett as our offensive mind, it's been so frustrating, think about all of the ridiculous losses we've had. It's time, the Garrett era needs to end. I've come to peace with it and won't be so frustrated when this happens again this year.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
You can borrow from any one of 3 or 4 games last year, that'll do.More. Of. The. Same.
Lavachebeadsman
Footballguy
I'm out on this team. Defense is showing general improvement and I love Claiborne and Carr. However, I'm totally out on this offense.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
So many things to debate, complain and ##### about, but here is the 1 question I would love to have answered.
3rd and 1. I would love to have known what the play call was originally.
Romo: Kill kill kill.
Ogletree shifts....indicating the play was altered and it wasn't a fake audible to throw the defense off.
We run a streak to Ogletree and miss. Bet it was a run play.
Romo should not be checking out of 3rd and 1 run calls.
3rd and 1. I would love to have known what the play call was originally.
Romo: Kill kill kill.
Ogletree shifts....indicating the play was altered and it wasn't a fake audible to throw the defense off.
We run a streak to Ogletree and miss. Bet it was a run play.
Romo should not be checking out of 3rd and 1 run calls.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
It probably was a run play called. And the Giants probably had numbers in the box because that's the likely play call. What I don't get is if you're going to run a fade pattern, why don't you run it to Dez. I actually said in the game thread it was time for a fade to Dez. They ran it to Ogletree instead. Made no sense to me.They've gone deep on several occasions this year on 3rd and 1. Its generally been successful. The aspect that I didnt like is that we didn't give our playmakers a chance on that key play. That's my gripe with it.'Bankerguy said:
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The Cowboys need to blow it up and start over.
Jerry the owner would have fired Jerry the GM years ago. Can Jerry finally admit he is not a GM and turn the team over and be a good owner?
For the good of both it seems time for the Cowboys and Romo to part ways. Romo has some bells and whistles and puts up good stats but he does not protect the ball, turns it over at crucial times, and just does not seem to be the QB to take a team into the playoffs and beyond. Romo has started 7-8 years now and it is pretty much like Groundhog Day. Everybody knows how it is going to end. The Cowboys need a fresh start as does Romo who at 33 probabl;y needs a change.
The Cowboys do have some talent, they just need a real GM to add and mesh that talent. Jerry has not been able to do that.
Jerry the owner would have fired Jerry the GM years ago. Can Jerry finally admit he is not a GM and turn the team over and be a good owner?
For the good of both it seems time for the Cowboys and Romo to part ways. Romo has some bells and whistles and puts up good stats but he does not protect the ball, turns it over at crucial times, and just does not seem to be the QB to take a team into the playoffs and beyond. Romo has started 7-8 years now and it is pretty much like Groundhog Day. Everybody knows how it is going to end. The Cowboys need a fresh start as does Romo who at 33 probabl;y needs a change.
The Cowboys do have some talent, they just need a real GM to add and mesh that talent. Jerry has not been able to do that.
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I was about to post that Dallas should consider a RB and saw Rotoworld suggest Dallas as a possible landing spot for SJax with Felix perhaps inactivated or cut. I wouldn't be opposted to SJax or DWill if the draft pick cost was minimal. The team has obvious needs at interior OL, WR depth, LB depth, DE depth, starting MLB, and safety but at this point RB has to be up there too. It's not like Tanner showed well ... and quietly Dunbar was pretty horrific in kick returns yesterday too. I wouldn't be shocked to see this happen.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
I would be really dissappointed if we give up anything for another RB. They are too cheap to get a serviceable guy. This team has so many other needs that are far more important. The lack of a run game isnt due to a lack of RB talent.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Running 3 pass plays on 2nd, 3rd and 4th down and none of them being high percentage plays was my problem. Get the first down.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
It's because it's over. You saw the end of the Garrett era. He'll coach more games for the Cowboys but this will be the game that broke the camel's back. That 2nd and 1 and throwing all over out of shotgun is a joke. He even defends it. He said we weren't running well so we passed. Really, really, you can't pick up 2nd and 1 in 3 downs running the ball? I knew he didn't get it and his post game comments even prove it more.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
We lost this game because of coaching? We had the talent on this team to beat the Giants but we beat ourselves.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Yeah, didnt like his PC today. Looking at tape, correcting some things, process. Bite me Jason.How about the words not acceptable. Then hold some people accountable. Felix would be a good spot to start.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
How does everyone feel about Claiborne? Pro-Bowl, potentially? I think he has played as well as Newton did, as a rookie, and I felt Newman should have made it at the time.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Claiborne.
Statistically ranked low due some completions and TD's given up.
I have only seen him badly beat 1 time. It was the Hester TD. Other then that, he is playing tight and in position to make plays and tackles. Kid is humble and seems to be improving game after game. I don't think he will ever be truly elite, but he will be a good starting corner.
I like him and have embraced him, but I still think the move was a mistake to move up.
Statistically ranked low due some completions and TD's given up.
I have only seen him badly beat 1 time. It was the Hester TD. Other then that, he is playing tight and in position to make plays and tackles. Kid is humble and seems to be improving game after game. I don't think he will ever be truly elite, but he will be a good starting corner.
I like him and have embraced him, but I still think the move was a mistake to move up.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
Claiborne has been more than I expected. Rookie CBs usually really struggle. As BG pointed out, he only got burned once this year and I'm not sure it wasnt the safety's fault on that one.
It does seem we have a very good pair of corners for the next 5 years.
Now to address the other problems on this team......
It does seem we have a very good pair of corners for the next 5 years.
Now to address the other problems on this team......
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Why do you not see him being elite? His measurables are clearly there - he is the athlete he would need to be to be elite. And he is playing really well for a corner. What would prevent him from being elite?
Just found ProFootballFocus article. Only a raw stat analysis.
PrFootballFocus CB rankings
Claiborne comes in @ 77 out of 85
Still, shown a bit as a rookie. Not like he's giving up big play after big play (See: Webster)
PrFootballFocus CB rankings
Claiborne comes in @ 77 out of 85
Still, shown a bit as a rookie. Not like he's giving up big play after big play (See: Webster)
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
He's only been thrown at 24 times, despite being a full-time starter, giving up only 33 yards a game. I'll take that.
Manster
Footballguy
Few thoughts from the game......
Witten looks great. He looks possessed out there.
D line looked good. Nice having Rat back.
Secondary made some great plays.
Felix remains worthless.
Dez still doesnt know how to play.
At this point, this offense is broken. I hate to say it, but the only way we win games is Romo running around and slingin the ball. Let him throw 40 times a game, get in a groove, and we have a chance. Or he might get killed, or throw 100 ints, blah, blah, blah........
Witten looks great. He looks possessed out there.
D line looked good. Nice having Rat back.
Secondary made some great plays.
Felix remains worthless.
Dez still doesnt know how to play.
At this point, this offense is broken. I hate to say it, but the only way we win games is Romo running around and slingin the ball. Let him throw 40 times a game, get in a groove, and we have a chance. Or he might get killed, or throw 100 ints, blah, blah, blah........
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Romo has approached Garrett to open the offense up and run a more up tempo offense.I predict a win this week.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
It's so rare for a rookie CB to look good. I wanted him, I liked the aggressive move to get him, and I'm actually very pleased with how he's been able to step in and perform. I would say so, if I felt otherwise.The CB rankings are flawed on so many levels. What I want to know is whether this kid is getting beat or not. He is clearly outplaying most of the CBs we've had over the past half-decade. And, it's only his first year.I predict he will develop (rather quickly) into a dominant CB.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Funny. I've been hearing this from fellow friends of mine as well. I don't want to double-reverse jinx this, but...I just don't see how we can win, if we can't play a tight, smart 4 quarters...something we haven't done since W1.
DaWidowMaker
Footballguy
Funny. I've been hearing this from fellow friends of mine as well. I don't want to double-reverse jinx this, but...I just don't see how we can win, if we can't play a tight, smart 4 quarters...something we haven't done since W1.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
We have played well historically and recently against the Falcons. It's in the Dome. We match up well against their offense and I can see us scoring points on them. Just one one of those weird gut things I get once or twice a year...or maybe it's its too much of my son's halloween candy talking.Funny. I've been hearing this from fellow friends of mine as well. I don't want to double-reverse jinx this, but...I just don't see how we can win, if we can't play a tight, smart 4 quarters...something we haven't done since W1.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
This game does have a bit of a feel to it similar to the @ New Orleans game a couple years ago when the Saints were undefeated. There were several of us crazy kooks who thought Dallas would win that game and they did. Will history repeat itself?'Bankerguy said:We have played well historically and recently against the Falcons. It's in the Dome. We match up well against their offense and I can see us scoring points on them. Just one one of those weird gut things I get once or twice a year...or maybe it's its too much of my son's halloween candy talking.'cobalt_27 said:Funny. I've been hearing this from fellow friends of mine as well. I don't want to double-reverse jinx this, but...I just don't see how we can win, if we can't play a tight, smart 4 quarters...something we haven't done since W1.'Bankerguy said:
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Bankers Blurbs Week Eight-Late edition
I am a hard core fan as many of you know. With that, I obviously think about the team a lot and immerse myself in everything Cowboys. This week was unlike any I remember in maybe over a decade. I didn't sleep well and my thoughts were consistently on what ails this team. This line of thinking took me from Jerry to Garrett to Romo to Dez to the national spotlight to an NFL conspiracy keeping our beloved boys down. Ok, the last one isn't true, but needless to say my mind has been busy.
My current take after what has been a truly craptastic year of Dallas football had led me to a strong opinion on what I would do if I was Jerry. Talk about a dream...wow. Ok now, before I share it, it's not anything crazy or revolutonary here. In fact, many of you have probably thought it or had similar views at various times. The observation was made for me after Romo quietly and subtly came out this week in the media asking for his coach to open up the play book. It got me thinking....
We have all talked about trust with this team. Romo doesn't trust his WR's, or his O-line or various other iterations. However, it's becoming more clear it's the Garrett/Romo relatioship that is lacking in trust and it appears to be a two way street. Now this is a bigger problem for Garrett then it is Romo imo:
-Romo is the more proven commodidty in their role
-Romo has the locker room....Witten/O-line/Austin
-I would also guess that Romo has Jerry if you put a gun to his two cent head.
I think there are really clear signs the Romo/Garrett relationship is not working. We all know what I'm talking about so I won't eloborate further on this part of the post.
OK...so after my long winded pre-amble my take is one of Romo or Garrett has go in the off-season. See not really mind blowing stuff here.
Now the problem assuming I even had the power to do it, who would you choose and why?
Case for Romo leaving:
-Might be able to get decent picks for him in the off season.
-We have a decent stop gap in Orton to keep us respectable. Who knows, maybe he might even be good.
-Despite the raw talent Romo shows, he is what is.....a Brett Favre gunslinger type of QB. Big highs, big lows.
-Hard to trust.
Case for Garrett leaving:
-Offense is clearly the weak link on this team along with game management and situational football. Two strikes Garrett.
-A quality coach would be easier to find then a QB with Romo's talent.
-Poor team starts. Garrett is always so calm and cool that I wonder if he has the ability to "push buttons" to get them to come out of the tunnel with a...we can't lose, I'm gonna destroy you mentality. I see no signs of this or much emotion at all.
-He has not changed this offense to better play to Romo's strengths. Why?
My final conclusion:
Bye bye Jason. I truly thought you would coach this team for over 10 years minimum.
-You ARE easier to replace then Romo. If you replace Romo, you might as well sell Witten and Ware too then. NO freaking way Jerry does this.
This likely means Rob Ryan is our next coach, and a new offensive co-ordinator is brought in to work with Tony and we get an O-line upgrade for the final push with this core.
I am a hard core fan as many of you know. With that, I obviously think about the team a lot and immerse myself in everything Cowboys. This week was unlike any I remember in maybe over a decade. I didn't sleep well and my thoughts were consistently on what ails this team. This line of thinking took me from Jerry to Garrett to Romo to Dez to the national spotlight to an NFL conspiracy keeping our beloved boys down. Ok, the last one isn't true, but needless to say my mind has been busy.
My current take after what has been a truly craptastic year of Dallas football had led me to a strong opinion on what I would do if I was Jerry. Talk about a dream...wow. Ok now, before I share it, it's not anything crazy or revolutonary here. In fact, many of you have probably thought it or had similar views at various times. The observation was made for me after Romo quietly and subtly came out this week in the media asking for his coach to open up the play book. It got me thinking....
We have all talked about trust with this team. Romo doesn't trust his WR's, or his O-line or various other iterations. However, it's becoming more clear it's the Garrett/Romo relatioship that is lacking in trust and it appears to be a two way street. Now this is a bigger problem for Garrett then it is Romo imo:
-Romo is the more proven commodidty in their role
-Romo has the locker room....Witten/O-line/Austin
-I would also guess that Romo has Jerry if you put a gun to his two cent head.
I think there are really clear signs the Romo/Garrett relationship is not working. We all know what I'm talking about so I won't eloborate further on this part of the post.
OK...so after my long winded pre-amble my take is one of Romo or Garrett has go in the off-season. See not really mind blowing stuff here.
Now the problem assuming I even had the power to do it, who would you choose and why?
Case for Romo leaving:
-Might be able to get decent picks for him in the off season.
-We have a decent stop gap in Orton to keep us respectable. Who knows, maybe he might even be good.
-Despite the raw talent Romo shows, he is what is.....a Brett Favre gunslinger type of QB. Big highs, big lows.
-Hard to trust.
Case for Garrett leaving:
-Offense is clearly the weak link on this team along with game management and situational football. Two strikes Garrett.
-A quality coach would be easier to find then a QB with Romo's talent.
-Poor team starts. Garrett is always so calm and cool that I wonder if he has the ability to "push buttons" to get them to come out of the tunnel with a...we can't lose, I'm gonna destroy you mentality. I see no signs of this or much emotion at all.
-He has not changed this offense to better play to Romo's strengths. Why?
My final conclusion:
Bye bye Jason. I truly thought you would coach this team for over 10 years minimum.
-You ARE easier to replace then Romo. If you replace Romo, you might as well sell Witten and Ware too then. NO freaking way Jerry does this.
This likely means Rob Ryan is our next coach, and a new offensive co-ordinator is brought in to work with Tony and we get an O-line upgrade for the final push with this core.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Norv turner comes back to dallas to run the O.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I was putting all the blame on Romo and he does deserve some of the blame for some stupid throws. Then I was watching the NFL Network and they isolated on Dez Bryant, Bryant may be the worst route runner in the NFL on the of guys stated. Bryant runs lazy routes and has no idea of when to cut a route short or when he is a hot read..his football IQ matches his real life IQ and both are very low..not a good combo. 5 of Romos INTS this season can be directly traced back to poor routes by Bryant.
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plymkr
Footballguy
Would like to watch this. When did you watch it? Is there a link?
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Many of the knowledgable Cowboy fans have been saying this for some time now. However, we get called blind homers or Romo apologists by casual fans and those who must watch a lot of ESPN and NFL Network. Now don't get me wrong, Romo is not blameless, but he isn't the sole root of the teams overall problems imo.
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fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Sean Payton...does he fix what ails the inexcusable mental lapses by this offense?
DevilDog919
Footballguy
I'm sick of this team.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I can't stand the offense more than anything. Considering the injuries, playing an undefeated team on the road and you hold them to 16, low 20s if Bryant makes all his field goals, that's outstanding minus the play of Scandrick. Should have let Romo lose earlier in the game in some no huddle, Witten wasn't involved early in the game after a monster game last week. The Cowboys can't run so don't even go there. Meh, A Day in The Life of Garrett, another close loss. Hey, but Matt Ryan said after the game that Dallas is a really good team, so we have that going for us.
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