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Not for Deon Butler.
Yeah, as a Lions fan, I'm not so crazy about this signing. Burleson is ok, I suppose, but that's way overpaying for a #2 that doesn't have much history of being a GOOD receiver.best years are behind him. A little better than Bryant Johnson for a lot more money. Not that different than Northcutt, just more reliable hands.ETA: If Kevin Walter gets less money, maybe Lions made a mistake.
Yeah, I would too. But, unless the Lions made huge strides this year (like 8-8 or better), I don't see Boldin wanting to stick around after his contract is up.
As I mentioned in the Boldin thread, I don't see the Cardinals trading Boldin for a 3rd round pick. If he were to play out his final year of his contract in Arizona and then signed on another team for big money, the Cardinals would get a 3rd round compensatory pick for him. So they would almost be literally giving him away for free by trading him for a 3rd round pick now (in addition to not having him for one more season).I also think Boldin will command close to double what Burleson signed for (and he'll get more than a 3 year deal too).
I think you are both underselling Burleson. He was WR25 in PPR last year (63-812-3) in 13 games and averaged over 12 yards per catch (nearly 13 at 12.9). He's also on the right side of 30 and now has a chance to line up opposite of Calvin Johnson and grow old right along with Matthew Stafford. I like the move.Granted he isn't Boldin but he's not a bad option - NFL or fantasy.Yeah, as a Lions fan, I'm not so crazy about this signing. Burleson is ok, I suppose, but that's way overpaying for a #2 that doesn't have much history of being a GOOD receiver.best years are behind him. A little better than Bryant Johnson for a lot more money. Not that different than Northcutt, just more reliable hands.ETA: If Kevin Walter gets less money, maybe Lions made a mistake.
Burleson was on the team that threw more than any other team in the league. 63/812/3 doesnt impress me in the least bit. Are you saying you like the move because of his stats last year, or do you actually like him as a player?I think you are both underselling Burleson. He was WR25 in PPR last year (63-812-3) in 13 games and averaged over 12 yards per catch (nearly 13 at 12.9). He's also on the right side of 30 and now has a chance to line up opposite of Calvin Johnson and grow old right along with Matthew Stafford. I like the move.Granted he isn't Boldin but he's not a bad option - NFL or fantasy.Yeah, as a Lions fan, I'm not so crazy about this signing. Burleson is ok, I suppose, but that's way overpaying for a #2 that doesn't have much history of being a GOOD receiver.
I like the move at least fantasy wise. Nate gets a young QB who likes to spin it. He won't see double coverage and has a good rapport with the offensive coordinator.
He was very good at times. With Megatron drawing double coverage he could have a decent year.I think you are both underselling Burleson. He was WR25 in PPR last year (63-812-3) in 13 games and averaged over 12 yards per catch (nearly 13 at 12.9). He's also on the right side of 30 and now has a chance to line up opposite of Calvin Johnson and grow old right along with Matthew Stafford. I like the move.Granted he isn't Boldin but he's not a bad option - NFL or fantasy.Yeah, as a Lions fan, I'm not so crazy about this signing. Burleson is ok, I suppose, but that's way overpaying for a #2 that doesn't have much history of being a GOOD receiver.
Bullseye.best years are behind him. A little better than Bryant Johnson for a lot more money. Not that different than Northcutt, just more reliable hands.ETA: If Kevin Walter gets less money, maybe Lions made a mistake.
For WR, that's not exactly a sparkling track record. I would guess that that's below the league average for starting receivers, but I really don't feel like running the numbers to check.
In terms of fantasy, I don't see how this helps Burleson. He goes to a team with a very young and unproven QB and a clear and dominant WR1. Not good for Burleson.It IS good for Lions and perhaps for Johnson; if Burleson is a credible enough threat maybe it takes some of the double teams away from Johnson?He was very good at times. With Megatron drawing double coverage he could have a decent year.I think you are both underselling Burleson. He was WR25 in PPR last year (63-812-3) in 13 games and averaged over 12 yards per catch (nearly 13 at 12.9). He's also on the right side of 30 and now has a chance to line up opposite of Calvin Johnson and grow old right along with Matthew Stafford. I like the move.Granted he isn't Boldin but he's not a bad option - NFL or fantasy.Yeah, as a Lions fan, I'm not so crazy about this signing. Burleson is ok, I suppose, but that's way overpaying for a #2 that doesn't have much history of being a GOOD receiver.
That would never happen!!I totally agree. As usual the Lions lept in without checking the water temp. It make me sick when I hear team president Tom Lewand who has no football background on the radio talking about player personel decisions. This guy should be nowhere near Mayhew. I was really hoping they added Walter as well.
best years are behind him. A little better than Bryant Johnson for a lot more money. Not that different than Northcutt, just more reliable hands.
ETA: If Kevin Walter gets less money, maybe Lions made a mistake.
Jason, I think you are living a few years in the past. $5 million a year is now the bar for middling wide receivers. IMO, it's certainly not "big money." You may or may not love Burleson for whatever reason, but his contract is now standard fare for guys in his class.
Burleson has shown flashes but can't ever seem to stay healthy. I cringe for his fantasy prospects that he ended up in Detroit though.
David, I think you may be living a year in the past. The very reason the NFL owners are hellbent on a work stoppage is because players are making too much. $5mm per year for a guy that wouldn't start for a majority of NFL teams is asinine, whether the cap is $120mm or $90mm.
By my count, Burleson would be a starter this year for:MIA, BUF, NE in the AFC EastHOU, JAX, TEN in the AFC SouthKC, OAK in the AFC WestCLE, BAL, CIN in the AFC NorthDAL, WAS in the NFC EastCHI, DET (obviously) in the NFC NorthATL, TB in the NFC SouthSEA, SF, STL in the NFC WestBy my count, that's 20 teams he would start for. He's not great, but I don't think he's horrendous. Maybe the Lions spent a little bit too much, but I don't see it as a Javon Walker OAK, Deion Branch SEA, or Michael Jenkins in ATL monstrocity.
i think he could start for at least half of the leagues teamscle, atl, sea, stl, buff, hou, ari with no boldin, oak, tb, car, cin, bal, miami, chi, jax, etc
-Matt Stafford ranked 1st in pass attempts a game at 37.7-Matt Hasselbeck ranked 5th in pass attempts a game at 34.9Burleson was on the team that threw more than any other team in the league. 63/812/3 doesnt impress me in the least bit. Are you saying you like the move because of his stats last year, or do you actually like him as a player?I think you are both underselling Burleson. He was WR25 in PPR last year (63-812-3) in 13 games and averaged over 12 yards per catch (nearly 13 at 12.9). He's also on the right side of 30 and now has a chance to line up opposite of Calvin Johnson and grow old right along with Matthew Stafford. I like the move.Granted he isn't Boldin but he's not a bad option - NFL or fantasy.Yeah, as a Lions fan, I'm not so crazy about this signing. Burleson is ok, I suppose, but that's way overpaying for a #2 that doesn't have much history of being a GOOD receiver.
best years are behind him. A little better than Bryant Johnson for a lot more money. Not that different than Northcutt, just more reliable hands.
ETA: If Kevin Walter gets less money, maybe Lions made a mistake.
Lets be real. If Millen was still running the Lions, Dez Bryant would be the #2 pick OA.Corey Williams for a 6th is a good deal, signing KVB would be huge for Detroit as they don't have a DE that can stop the run AND put pressure on the QB, Burleson is getting middle of the road money for a decent receiver that's still only 28 years old and with experience running with Linehan.Burleson looked pretty good last year as well a year removed from ACL surgery.
The last part is most likely true, but as an isolated signing, I don't think it's horrible. Yes, the Lions have bigger fish to fry and if I were running the team I would have worried about other puzzle pieces before I woried about a #2 WR. A shrewd team (so that would usually rule out Detroit) would have let some names fly off the board while concentrating on more vital areas that needed fixing and let some decent WR sweat it out. So they probably could have done a better job playing the waiting game and then sign someone of a similar ilk for less money, fewer years, and a smaller bonus. But the Lions have not exactly been savvy and sharks when it comes to roster management.So I don't think it's on par with the Raiders having the two highest paid kickers in the game . . .
I'm more shocked by the Williams and KVB stuff. Now granted if they plan on these two moves AND taking McCoy/Suh, then I'll gladly retract my statement. But if they look at these two guys as a reason to go elsewhere with the 2nd pick, then I'm baffled.
Doesn't hurt to have some depth or options in case something else happens, like a trade that blows them away, or their top rated DT is off the board, or they don't want to pay a DT Haynesworth type money?
As I said, if they still take one of the two DTs, then I stand corrected.
I think more not exciting, especially from FF perspective. . You have kinda bland player going to be the number two WR (with no chance being more than the number 2) on a passing game with more potential than production. Burleson's value is neutral so if you have him, Nate is probably a hold that will be a WR 4 that you probably don't play often, can't trade for any real value, but can't cut.
So if they take Berry, they made a bad move?Still think they take a DT here though.
JWI think this gives them options if say SUH is gone (IMO who they really want) to move down. I think the Lions are actually on their way to improving that D greatly, although they dont have a starting CB on the roster
The defense should also still be bad enough where late throws/garbage time should be in abundance. The first checkdown off a doubled Calvin should see a lot of targets.
